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Memory Usage Discussion - 8MB or 12MB - FARIA 3.2 RC1 ROM

This thread is for everyone using one of FARIA's 3.2 ROMs. I want to find out and share information about which paging pool size works better on your phone, 12 or 8.
Some Explanations:
There are 2 versions available, one with 8MB paging pool and one with 12MB paging pool. The paging pool is like virtual memory on a desktop windows computer. Basically, it's memory for open, running programs to sit in until the computer needs them again. More paging pool equals less program memory available. (program memory is similar to RAM on a windows computer.) A smaller paging pool equals MORE available program memory.
We all know WindowsMobile devices lose available program memory over time. Because of that, we have to soft reset the devices on a regular basis. I have tried both versions of FARIA. It seems that the 12MB rom uses memory BETTER! Since I have loaded the 12MB version a few days ago, I have only had to soft reset the device once or twice. When I had the 8MB version I had to reset every hour or so.
What has been your experience?

yeah, i installed the 12mb version. I don't have too much problem with the memory leak. After i closed all the programs, i still have almost 10 mb memory left. I had it running for almost 3 days already.

Can't really say, as I haven't tried the 8mb version yet. Other than a few known issues, I've been really happy with this ROM, so I won't change over to the other one until sometime next week (after I purchase and use Sprite Backup).

The 8MB version works good so far... Requiring a reset once per day or so if i am using my copy of Pocket Player...

vseehua said:
The 8MB version works good so far... Requiring a reset once per day or so if i am using my copy of Pocket Player...
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Ive made my own rom, based on Faria OS 3.0 with 4mb paging pool (and 2Mb)
Now i have 35 Mb free memory (and 38 on 2 Mb pp), and this releas is very stable and fast. But i have only one problem - battery decrease very quickly in gprs session (cause of pp's size).

mun_rus said:
Ive made my own rom, based on Faria OS 3.0 with 4mb paging pool (and 2Mb)
Now i have 35 Mb free memory (and 38 on 2 Mb pp), and this releas is very stable and fast. But i have only one problem - battery decrease very quickly in gprs session (cause of pp's size).
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Can you upload this 4MB rom? I would really to try it out.

Attn Lurkers
It would be really good to get everybody to chime in on this. So far, it looks like there is little, if any, difference between the roms. Let's hear what the rest of us have to say...

How much free RAM without Manilla?

Hi, i have now EtenX650 which has 64Mb RAM and i have about 27Mb free all time on some roms. So it seems very strange to me, that Diamond have 192Mb RAM and only 60MB free!!! It's possible to delete manilla? Does anybody make this, how much free RAM then it have?
I wanna run Opera, Pigeon, Toonel and Russa together same time )))))

i think you can just go to Today Settings and take TouchFlow 3d off the today screen. do a soft reset just to make sure and check how much memory you get..
wait lemme do that now..
i got 60.68MB free w/o TF3d and soft resetting..

-MV- said:
i think you can just go to Today Settings and take TouchFlow 3d off the today screen. do a soft reset just to make sure and check how much memory you get..
wait lemme do that now..
i got 60.68MB free w/o TF3d and soft resetting..
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Same here running the 1.37 rom on my uk diamond.

Thanx, but as i see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401828
60Mb of free RAM you have with enabled Manilla too? If Diamond use same WM6.1 it must use only ~40Mb RAM, so here must be about 150Mb free!!!
Can you open process manager and summarize RAM eaten by running programs?

Well at the moment i have 50mb free, in use i have 64mb in use...now i cant see where its being used...ive looked through my task manager and memory settings but nothing is coming up.

Program memory use, an ongoing problem without answer?

Currently I have two PocketPCs Phone Edition: HTC Touch Diamond and Samsung SGH-i780
Diamond: 192 MB RAM, program memory available after soft-reset: 52 MB
i780: 128 MB RAM, program memory available after soft-reset: over 85 MB
Something is very wrong here, the Diamond needs 140 MB of RAM to run and my Samsung only 43 MB. I come from an HTC Touch XL (128 MB RAM), with about the same numbers as the Samsung (and before that I've had many other PocketPCs).
I accept that TouchFlo 3D needs some juice to run, so does Spb Mobile Shell on my Samsung. But you can disable both and the figures won't change much, so we can rule them out.
Now where are the extra 100 MB being used? Nothing that I can see on task-managers.
The end result is that I reset my Samsung once a month, and just because Spb Backup resets it after a backup; but my Diamond will need a reset a week or so, even with much less use (I use my Samsung for work, from Monday through Friday, on Saturday and Sunday I pick up the much slicker Diamond).
Oh, before someone mentions it, I close programs, not just minimize them, and use ReclaimRAM (MemMaid) to regain some lost (but not all) memory. But that's a work-around, if it had 80 MB RAM free I wouldn't have to fiddle with all this. I'm also aware of some memory leak problems related to TouchFlo 3D, but you can't just say that it leaks 100 MB straight after boot.
I'm wondering, does the Diamond really have 192 MB RAM, because it behaves as if having only 128 MB and leaking memory very fast.

I checked with SKTools and there are tons of resources running after a fresh boot-up... Even some Opera 9 related things... I wonder have many of these can be inactivated???

Diamond has 64MB dedicated graphics memory.

Techno-Freak said:
Diamond has 64MB dedicated graphics memory.
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Ok, that makes sense. So it's not actually 192 MB of RAM, you have 128 MB RAM + 64 MB of video RAM. Then the specifications are misleasing when they say that the Diamond has 192 MB of RAM (same as if say say that my PC has 2,5 GB of RAM, when it actually has 2 GB of DDR RAM and 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM).
Also 64 MB of RAM for a device that only has VGA resolution and a very small subset of 3D functions (compared to what a modern PC video card has) sounds overkill.

Free Program memory for Cooked Roms

My stock AT&T shows about 54% used and 86mb free with no apps or Touch Flo running after soft reset
After launchin Touch Flo - 62% used and 70mb free
scrolling through the touch flo menu once and not launching anything - 66% 64mb
opening butt load of apps including Touch Flo - 90% 18mb
closing all apps - 60% 75mb
Here is the question. How does everyone compare their stock ROM to the cooked ones? If I open more than 3 apps, I start to get slow downs. I did remove as much bloat as I could and used memmaid to clean out old stuff. Which ROMS have the best memory usage?
Thanks for the feedback.

I only see one ROM with published memory stats. I'm really trying to learn here. Are there more ROMs with published results? Thanks.
I was able to get my Raphael with new ROMS and the performance increased. The memory usage went from 110mb used to 80mb.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572938

Well its up to the cooks to do so. The best way to find it is to flash!

ai6908 said:
Well its up to the cooks to do so. The best way to find it is to flash!
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Mine will have the most free memory for obvious reasons. However, mine is Sprint only.

william8004 said:
My stock AT&T shows about 54% used and 86mb free with no apps or Touch Flo running after soft reset
After launchin Touch Flo - 62% used and 70mb free
scrolling through the touch flo menu once and not launching anything - 66% 64mb
opening butt load of apps including Touch Flo - 90% 18mb
closing all apps - 60% 75mb
Here is the question. How does everyone compare their stock ROM to the cooked ones? If I open more than 3 apps, I start to get slow downs. I did remove as much bloat as I could and used memmaid to clean out old stuff. Which ROMS have the best memory usage?
Thanks for the feedback.
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Well my New rom Cell PRO V7.5 beats that by far and it includes alot of good stuff from leo.

I use Energy ROM photon 10/21/09-21864 version.
47% RAM used with touchFLO after soft reset
51% with scrolling
using Opera browser, watch movies, play music. after 1 day about 70-75%.
even when opening lots of apps, including Google map and opera, still <80%
47% again after reset. I can go more than 1 week without the need to reset.
Seems like this Energy ROM uses much less RAM than your ATT stock ROM.

I have my first report:
Stock ROM on boot = 70mb free
to this ROM = 100mb free
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=585403
By the way, if you run Copilot Live 8 it uses 25mb running.
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Touch Diamond 192MB RAM LIE!!!

On the official HTC website it lists the Touch Diamond as having both:
ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 192 MB DDR SDRAM
So why when I go System Information on my Diamond, it lists Program Memory as 111.1Mb and Storage Memory as 92.2Mb.
I repeat that's:
ROM: 92.2 MB
RAM: 111.1 MB DDR SDRAM
111.1Mb to run Windows Mobile 6.53, Touch-Flo3D2 and then actually do something is pitiful. I'm booting with 10% available RAM only now. So any talk about how memory works on the Diamond would be nice. I dont see how adding apps (if they don't run processes or services) should add to RAM use but it must be as when I install something I notice its eating away at my RAM on a next boot, when the app I installed isn't even running. Problem seems to be this gwes.exe just getting enormous, currently its a 22Mb process... and I dont have the spare RAM for memory leaks or a process thats seems to increase in size over time on a phone sitting idle.
The other thing slightly off topic is "SKTools" listed the screen resolution as 320x240, which if it is and not 640x480 maybe this phone isn't as great as I was lead to believe. Any thoughts?

maybe its a china phone =)

Yea... This sounds like a bad clone to me.
dwizzy130

Are u joking? Its official HTC branded casing front & back and lists as T-Mobile MDA Vario IV (GSM). Bought on Orange early 2009.
How much do u get listed in System Information/ %RAM free on boot , and any tricks I should be aware of? I'm on 95% used RAM so something is gonna have to happen. I currently use the SKTools Free RAM - that CleanRAM app although good and thorough took too long and kept shutting down Touchflo and I'd then have to soft reset, which kinda defeated the object... ^_^

Bluepri said:
Are u joking? Its official HTC branded casing front & back and lists as T-Mobile MDA Vario IV (GSM). Bought on Orange early 2009.
How much do u get listed in System Information/ %RAM free on boot , and any tricks I should be aware of? I'm on 95% used RAM so something is gonna have to happen. I currently use the SKTools Free RAM - that CleanRAM app although good and thorough took too long and kept shutting down Touchflo and I'd then have to soft reset, which kinda defeated the object... ^_^
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So you bought it from Orange?
dwizzy130

One of my friends who also got his Orange branded diamond had the same issue. He has less RAM than i do on my unbranded diamond.
Also found this online:
"HTC have released the P3702 in Taiwan. At its core, it's HTC's Diamond handset, but with a few changes – one of which being cosmetic. By that, the back is plain, no diamond-esque lines this time around. Now, that could be a positive for some, but the second difference won't be to anyone. The Diamond has 192MB of RAM – whereas the P3702 has 128MB of RAM. On the Diamond, 64MB of the 192MB RAM is allotted to the dedicated video chip, so, for the P3702, that means less memory for the user, and possibly no video acceleration, but there is no confirmation on that. No word on whether or not it will be released outside of Taiwan."
http://www.pdasnews.com/articles/htc-p3702-–-same-diamond-less-ram-and-plain-back-2.html

Just a bit of an FYI, T-mobile MDA Compact IV lists:
Program: Total 115.03 MB
Storage: Total 83.56 MB
Device information though lists the RAM size as 192MB, and Flash size as 256MB.

dwizzy130 said:
So you bought it from Orange?
dwizzy130
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I got it secondhand but it came in an Orange box and the back cover was Orange branded until I switched for plain one.
@vss1980
Good idea! Hardware Information in Settings lists:
RAM size: 128MB ---> must be the 111.1MB I keep filling up
Flash size: 256 MB ----> errr....??? I get 92.2Mb see below
Storage size: 92.18 MB (strange not rounded)
Screen res: 480x640 65K colors
Looks like I have a 128MB RAM model So I don't get it, where is the 256MB Flash?? Is that the 92.18MB Storage + windows? Or is the 256Mb flash actually 92.2Mb storage + ~160Mb for video acceleration and therefore hidden? OR is the 256MB Flash the RAM + ROM (what I call Flash) added with ~32Mb missing?
HTC website lies about my RAM then the phone lies about my Flash size ^_^

i have read this somewhere in the forum ...192 mb ram are just for marketing
in reality are 128 ram ( 113 actually ) for win mo and 64 mb for the system behind the radio (gsm,wifi, etc) , and rom 256 (wim mo 6.1 official 146 mb + 98 for storage)

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i have read this somewhere in the forum ...192 mb ram are just for marketing
in reality are 128 ram ( 113 actually ) for win mo and 64 mb for the system behind the radio (gsm,wifi, etc) , and rom 256 (wim mo 6.1 official 146 mb + 98 for storage)
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AHHH thanks very much Logix I can now sleep at night. This explains it perfectly.

My CDMA Sprint Diamond says it has 203.59 Program and 91.05 Storage.
I have heard the CDMA Verizon has less. Maybe yours is the GSM gimped version like the gimped Verizon model.