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windows mobile 6.1 the Suck

Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".

rocken7 said:
Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Yep....it's you.....and guess what....nobody is forcing you to buy a Windows Mobile device.....so either "suck" it up and learn how to use it, or buy something else.

Really. Mine is amazing! (SGH-I780) No problems with power settings. Maybe it is your unit.

bmo.alt said:
Really. Mine is amazing! (SGH-I780) No problems with power settings. Maybe it is your unit.
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so true. 6.1 is rock solid. TomTom picks up satellites signal a lot faster. Better battery life.

Yeah, mine is great also. Maybe it is a user problem?

I tell ya what, I've spent time with Palm, which isn't too bad but isn't WM, I've spent time with the Iphone, and let me tell you something, you have to ****ing install openssh on it to be able to ftp to the phone so that you can copy over any file that isn't a song or a pic. (I'm sure I could add a few commas in there) I've also used Symbian phone, which is like palm.. Hands down, right here right now, non come close to WM and what it can do and what you can do with it.
OP the Suck

I bought it b/c it was the least bad of the bunch. And also plan on whiping it with android if that day comes around fully.
I can hack on earth, wind, and fire but better systems allow me to intermediate that. MS just gets in the way, they really need a whole new UI injection.

It is so easy to bash M$.
My opinion, and that's all any of us have, is that Windows Mobile is the best mobile OS out there. It allows me to do a lot more with my phone than any other OS.

I think doofus had seconds on his retard sandwich today.... what an idiot.

rocken7 said:
I bought it b/c it was the least bad of the bunch. And also plan on whiping it with android if that day comes around fully.
I can hack on earth, wind, and fire but better systems allow me to intermediate that. MS just gets in the way, they really need a whole new UI injection.
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First it was the "worst phone OS on the planet" and now it's the "least bad of the bunch".....so which is it?.....the worst, or the best(least bad)? Seriously....your credibility is going downhill every time you open your mouth.....which isn't too great considering you didn't start with any.

Sorry valt, didn't mean to fire up the flame bait. I think AOL chat is still open for business ...

i think that as just an operating system in general WM is kinda crap... but one has to understand that it is mobile os and compared o the rest of the mobile os's its the best i was just nieve in buying this thinking/ hearing WINDOWS and not the mobile part so much...my only quip tho, is that since this is windows MOBILE the mobile functions should be better than that on a normal phone (not a hinderance on performace, i mean this thing has a dedicated phone processor and seperate media proc. right? i think on the msm7xxx series they did not properly implement them or something..)... some mobile phone functions are really good on WM but other like the complexities you have to go through to do normal stuff sometimes.... oh well

I heard they are completely revamping the windows UI stuff in wm7 + 8 but that is not coming out until 2010 which is saaad.

Dude I have been using WM based mobiles since 2003 and I think WM is by far the best OS in the market, its been built for advanced users or people with fair knowledge of computing, if you think it is too much for you to handle why dont you buy a regular handset like NOKIA 3310 or if you think you are advanced enough get one of those crapy symbian mobiles.....

rocken7 said:
Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Go buy full power interface iphone....
Dumbass.

Valtamr said:
First it was the "worst phone OS on the planet" and now it's the "least bad of the bunch".....so which is it?.....the worst, or the best(least bad)? Seriously....your credibility is going downhill every time you open your mouth.....which isn't too great considering you didn't start with any.
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Wait just a minuet Your giving this guy "Credibility" you must be feeling kind today. I to wondered how he got the "Least bad of the bunch" and still had the worst phone on the Planet. Maybe he should try another retail store with a larger selection! Or maybe he just a bit hard to please! Well I could not live with out my tilt as I felt the same about my Hearms, and when I can hide enough funds away from the warden to get a Diamond, I will feel the same about that. I guess I like the platform or maybe I am easy to please. One thing if I didn't like a Rom I would find a group of Developers ,Join their forum, learn how to cook and flash my own custom roms and create what ever I wanted. Hey wait a minuet that's what I did! Maybe Rocken7 should join XDA go to WiKi learn how to flash find a rom he is Happy with and stop making these silly post, but that's not what he did. Now this is not a burn although Rocken7 you have walked into a room with a bulls eye on you back and said "BURN ME"! with the comment you posted! so beware! We are watching! It might just be that you are a tad to critical! I am sure we have everything you need to make your device what you need it to be. Hope you can make the best of what you got! Good Luck!
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It's as simple as what you want your phone to do and what you're able to do with it. So many people rant and rave about Wm devices on these forums, which are really designed to educate, illuminate, and progress our devices. People who ***** about there new device probably should not have purchased it in the first place! Would I recommend a Hermes, kaiser or diamond to my Dad, Mom or Grandma? Depends if you are wearing Depends. Or to my buddy that's been using a Razr for the past 3 years? They would look like a monkey trying to open a coconut. Two of my best friends just got the Lg Vu and don't even know how to log onto the basic medianet. It's funny how everyone I've caught using a Kaiser "Tilt"; they always tell me how much they hate it and I laugh inside; It's simply not the phone for you; simple as that

I love mine, but I love fiddling with things
There's no way on earth I'd recommend one to anyone who's just after a phone, because (out-of-the-box) it's awful.
I enjoy the customisation aspects of mine. But there are still some 'phone' aspects which I feel are seriously lacking. The fun (for me) is finding stuff to make it work the way I want it to.

Windows mobile is a great operating system, functionality wise, but its interface sucks.
I run PointUI on my phone, which means I can access most features and functions very quickly using just my thumb, without the horrible WM interface. With this, most functions would be easy to use even for a n00b with no WM experience.
The fact that I can run PointUI on WM, or Throttle launcher, or SPB mobile shell, or a number of other options, is what makes WM so great - it can be made to do what people want. Still would have been better if Microsoft had focused on the UI from the beginning.
The great functionality of WM does not necessitate a terrible interface. It will be interesting to see what happens with WM7 & newer versions now Microsoft has to focus on the UI thanks to Apple & others leading the way.

DavidMc0 said:
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The great functionality of WM does not necessitate a terrible interface. It will be interesting to see what happens with WM7 & newer versions now Microsoft has to focus on the UI thanks to Apple & others leading the way.
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Exactly ! WM6.1 is a lot better than 6.0 and most of all 5 ... let's focus on the future and the juicy stuff Apple brings us.

HTC Magic software/ROM????????

hello all,
i love HTC software/ROM's (touch it from Itje), but have came across what looks to be the best software going, it is the HTC magic software, i am thinking to get rid of my xperia and getting the HTC, unless there is some amazing person who will be able to copy it to a ROM for our xperia.
have a look at following page to see for yourself:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html
thank you in advance

scorpio2008 said:
hello all,
i love HTC software/ROM's (touch it from Itje), but have came across what looks to be the best software going, it is the HTC magic software, i am thinking to get rid of my xperia and getting the HTC, unless there is some amazing person who will be able to copy it to a ROM for our xperia.
have a look at following page to see for yourself:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html
thank you in advance
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This is a phone with Andriod (Google's Mobile Phone OS) as OS system, so impossible to run on a Windows Mobile phone ..

FalkenX said:
This is a phone with Andriod (Google's Mobile Phone OS) as OS system, so impossible to run on a Windows Mobile phone ..
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Rubbish.
While we might not be there yet there is no technical reason why this is not achievable. We don't have drivers and specs and the like that are needed to do the job properly YET. There is nothing which fundamentally makes running Android/Linux impossible other than current lack of information.

reborg said:
Rubbish.
While we might not be there yet there is no technical reason why this is not achievable. We don't have drivers and specs and the like that are needed to do the job properly YET. There is nothing which fundamentally makes running Android/Linux impossible other than current lack of information.
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Drivers and specs? Dude, please learn something about Andriod, its totally different as WM, so with a driver or some tweaks it is impossible to run on a WM phone, you would have to rebuild the whole os which isnt an opperation similar to cooking a rom..

have a read in the android dev forums. I think the SPL is different, but may be wrong. So i don't think it's as simple as just using an nbh (which is a pity).. The g1 is also a HTC device.. some of the guys on the G1 forums would explain exactly whether it was possible or not..
However there is continual development on building android for current devices, including a thread in this very forum.. See Xmoo for details..

Yeah, emulating another up-to-date OS...just think of all the the 15years old gameboy and NES-games that are still slow when they are emulated under Windows Mobile.
The only possibility would be to not emulate Android but boot it instead of Windows Mobile...but I don't think the hardware is built for this so you won't get everything to work as it's meant to be.
By the way...Android is ugly in my opinion.

i think it must be possible.....
cause the Magic has the same chipset like touch HD and so the hardware should be very similar.....
i know a guy who was flashing a symbian OS on an Sony ericsson W810i and it runs..... extremely slow but it runs.
i think the only thing would be the different display resolution...... and some driver things but i have no skills in programmng so dont ask me xD

Err...........
It is possible and even i the case of Vogue CDMA, most functions are working
Diamond and Raphael has managed to boot Android 1.0 and even get the radio working (though no bluetooth, wifi, 3G nor sound yet) so sending SMSs is possible and so is making calls, though you can't hear anything because there is no sound yet.
Blackstone also recently managed to fix the screen issue...
I'm sure there are more projects going on, but it's definitly possible to run Android on WM devices

Well I've got 1.0 booting on the x1.. Unfortunately I havent got the touchscreen working just yet... the onscreen keyboard does, not the screen.
I will work on it when I get a chance, but my linux box is at work, so experimenting is best when I get a chance there.
Screen colours are perfect, the screens still upside down though..
I'm still learning about how this works, but I'm learning quickly..
as to the talk of emulators, this isn't emulation..

HERO Android ROM to Blackstone

The ROM of the HTC HERO is already on XDA:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=533808
The HD and Hero share some hardware so ...
What would be the problem when porting the Android HERO ROM to the HTC Blackstone.
Does anybody think that it will be possible to run it on the HD in the future?

No, the HW is not identical.
The fact that they have the same CPU doesn't mean that the HW is the same.
The issue can be:
1. Lack of drivers for Android platform for HD.
2. Lack of people to finalize the Andriod port on HD.
and some others.
Use search please as this question was asked a zilion times before.

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sosojerk said:
No, the HW is not identical.
The fact that they have the same CPU doesn't mean that the HW is the same.
The issue can be:
1. Lack of drivers for Android platform for HD.
2. Lack of people to finalize the Andriod port on HD.
and some others.
Use search please as this question was asked a zilion times before.
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That's why I said that they share "some"of the HW..
(I read almost all the android topics and the forum search function did not work today..)
1] This indeed seems to be a problem also in the first attempt by xmoo and others
2]Tuxhero has moved his android porting work to http://www.androidkernel.org/

I think that the most difficult part is to have at least an Android version running on HD. Any version. Afterwards will be more simple to have any android flavor on HD.
So keep the finger crossed for tuxhero.

Same specification doesn't mean they run exactly the same hardware. Display controller might be different, various controllers are different (and so are the registers), it's not as easy as people might think when it comes to porting OS to different devices. I see this as a common misconception and people usually don't (or won't) understand until they go through it (which obviously usually they don't as they prefer someone else does the things for them).

boqonx said:
Same specification doesn't mean they run exactly the same hardware. Display controller might be different, various controllers are different (and so are the registers), it's not as easy as people might think when it comes to porting OS to different devices. I see this as a common misconception and people usually don't (or won't) understand until they go through it (which obviously usually they don't as they prefer someone else does the things for them).
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I couldn't agree more..
I would like to be able to programme it myself, but it's an illusion to finish it before 2012 ...

I'm not really interested in Android, but the TouchFlo3D "Sense" is astonishingly amazing and i really hope to see that feature ported to the Blackstone..

The fact that you need to have the knowledge about linux kernel (plus phenomenal programming skills of course) is probably the hardest thing in porting android. Besides, blackstone isn't as affordable as other devices are, so to have people who really are committed to porting android would probably be a big bless.
There was one time when I actually thought about selling my blackstone and get G1/Magic instead..

This will be great!
Check this out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcVdcStE9po

This will be great!
Check this out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcVdcStE9po

dosari666 said:
I'm not really interested in Android, but the TouchFlo3D "Sense" is astonishingly amazing and i really hope to see that feature ported to the Blackstone..
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I may be wrong but I think the Sense UI is android based...

sosojerk said:
No, the HW is not identical.
The fact that they have the same CPU doesn't mean that the HW is the same.
The issue can be:
1. Lack of drivers for Android platform for HD.
2. Lack of people to finalize the Andriod port on HD.
and some others.
Use search please as this question was asked a zilion times before.
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What are the hardware differences then? I guess that would be step one of porting... How can you write drivers or search for drivers if you do not know what your looking/programming for?

boqonx said:
There was one time when I actually thought about selling my blackstone and get G1/Magic instead..
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On this moment this thought is still in my head, a HTC Hero or even an Iphone.

checkeys said:
On this moment this thought is still in my head, a HTC Hero or even an Iphone.
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Though i fight for HTC's, last night a friend with a iphone 3gs came to me and started telling me how great it is etcetc. So i told him to make a small demonstration.
The first thing he did show me was the installer and cydia, where tons of people write apps and stuff and oh boy i was impressed.
Next thing he showed me was a app called shazam, it was a small app that could recognize every song that it could hear so i was impressed as well. ( installed a wm6 version of it on mine and didnt work nearly good as it did on iphone )
Scrolling is great, its ui is great, everything runs really smooth and i kinda miss that feeling.
Now if they do write a turn-by-turn gps app like destinator or igo, i am dumping my blackstone in like seconds.
Sorry but it feels that way

sedde said:
Now if they do write a turn-by-turn gps app like destinator or igo, i am dumping my blackstone in like seconds.
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iGO will release soon their iGO My Way for iPhone.
But don't dump your backstone just yet. There are still fundamental limitations in iPhone that I couldn't live with.
Your are bound to iTunes, movies all need transcoding (iPhone lasks mass storage for USB apart from HD and for movies you need tools to convert them for iPhone), you are bound by apple accesories (like in house connectors while HD has mini USB). and if I dig more I can found many more things that are not so cool about iPhone (no ROM development like for Hd that gives you some real new things).

sedde said:
Next thing he showed me was a app called shazam, it was a small app that could recognize every song that it could hear so i was impressed as well.
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Shazam MusicID is also available for WM, I have it om my MIRI 6.5 ROM and it works perfect.
You can find it on piratebay, in one of the threads, and it is also included in Dutty's ROMs.

checkeys said:
Shazam MusicID is also available for WM, I have it om my MIRI 6.5 ROM and it works perfect.
You can find it on piratebay, in one of the threads, and it is also included in Dutty's ROMs.
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Like i said, i installed musid id on my hd, and i had them next to the iphone trying to identify the same songs and it had a success rate of 50%

Very possibly the most useless reason to get an iPhone I have heard so far...

sedde said:
Like i said, i installed musid id on my hd, and i had them next to the iphone trying to identify the same songs and it had a success rate of 50%
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Then I show you these things:
- You can ask your friend to watch a video clip on youtube and you'll be proud of your HD.( HD is high definition and larger screen, faster than Iphone, I'm sure)
- Ask your friend to take a photograph and compare
- Compare with your friend how many application he can get with Iphone?
- Try to utilize your GPS speed
- To me, HD is for high class man and Iphone is for women
- Moreover, Iphone has exclusive Multi-touch right? But you can zoom by double touch . Ask your friend how inconvenience in terms of exchanging files ( connect to cable, go to Iphone center.) How convenience when you have a bluetooth
How can you fight for HTC when you dont know what are the strengths of its??!!

POLL: Would you buy X2 knowing the CPU is the same?!

I'm not!!!!
Specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-2926.php
It does look very sexy though http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-3d-spin-2926.php

dude there is a neverending thread about this already
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555651

spikegotti said:
dude there is a neverending thread about this already
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555651
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i tried searching for one but it doesn't let me search for less than 3 characters or whatever ("X2").... not my fault
on second thought the vids i'm seeing on youtube show it's rather fast but i'm still not convinced by prototypes.....

Not unless they pay me for taking it and after that I'm going to sell it and buy a real modern device from a company that doesn't piss on its customers.

i wouldnt buy it even if the CPU was faster

comeradealexi said:
i wouldnt buy it even if the CPU was faster
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That crossed my mind as well haha.

orelsi said:
That crossed my mind as well haha.
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lol... said by a man who praises x1 over everything else. what an epic fail...

Unless it was cheaper, I cannot justify another $650 (family center discount) for much of the same.

if X2 2nd hand price for next 6 month is $300, i'll buy it . im still in love with my X1 now
vietdoan20062006

They need improvements on not only the CPU, but also the screen (AMOLED and larger).

What a retarded topic - like if it makes any difference if the CPU is faster (it's plenty fast enough already) or if some exotic display tech could only solve the problem of being resistive (AMOLED and similarly clueless idiocies)...
...it is Windows Mobile, dumbos, THAT IS THE PROBLEM, period.
It is not slow nor badly "coded" (like if SE or HTC has much to do with WM's root timing & kernel issues), it is simply Windows Mobile ergo it SUCKS.
Better than iCrap because it has multitasking and probably still has more apps (But who cares?) but worse in almost anything else.
Better than Android in hardware etc support and has more apps but worse in anything else.
Any other way it SUCKS compared to anyone else.
Yes, that's all.

szlevi said:
What a retarded topic - like if it makes any difference if the CPU is faster (it's plenty fast enough already) or if some exotic display tech could only solve the problem of being resistive (AMOLED and similarly clueless idiocies)...
...it is Windows Mobile, dumbos, THAT IS THE PROBLEM, period.
It is not slow nor badly "coded" (like if SE or HTC has much to do with WM's root timing & kernel issues), it is simply Windows Mobile ergo it SUCKS.
Better than iCrap because it has multitasking and probably still has more apps (But who cares?) but worse in almost anything else.
Better than Android in hardware etc support and has more apps but worse in anything else.
Any other way it SUCKS compared to anyone else.
Yes, that's all.
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Excuse me? Better go get some brains before you make a joke of yourself on the Internetz.
1 - Having a better and faster CPU is the sole gole of both the manufacturers and the consumers. Are you kidding me? Faster CPU means, faster gameplay, movies. UI, multitasking and more. You just made the most ignorant claim in the history of the world.
The CPU is not fast enough and it is not the fault of the OS. You can tweak things only so far, after that, you need a faster CPU to take the load off.
2 - Lol wut? What has one to do with the other. AMOLED is good, because of the vivid colours and brightness.
FYI resistive is FAR, FAR superior to capacitive and if you didn't know that, you shouldn't post, only read, oh clueless one...
3 - Just because you can't handle the complexity of a certain OS, doesn't mean that the OS sucks. It mean thaat you don't have the skills and knowledge to appreciate it. WinMo is the most versatile, customizable and productive OS out there. Oh yeah, adding a "period" after your sentence doesn't magically turn it into the word of God...
Now GTFO and take your ignorance with you.

fight! fight!!!

sa7640 said:
They need improvements on not only the CPU, but also the screen (AMOLED and larger).
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Absolutely. Even with a faster CPU it is still ugly as hell and the screen is not big enough. There are many other thing not to like as well. I wouldn't buy even if it had a faster CPU.

orelsi said:
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3 - Just because you can't handle the complexity of a certain OS, doesn't mean that the OS sucks. It mean thaat you don't have the skills and knowledge to appreciate it. WinMo is the most versatile, customizable and productive OS out there. Oh yeah, adding a "period" after your sentence doesn't magically turn it into the word of God...
Now GTFO and take your ignorance with you.
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This one I have to agree!

i agree but i wont say customizable, the symbian platform is way more customizable than wm, everything on my P1 was changed, and i mean everything, and much easier to do so than on wm, but the symbian OS including the UIQ felt as though something was missing, apart from wm which is practically the same thing as windows on a comp except that its on a mobile device.
iphone os x is just as productive as wm now bcos of the developers who spend their time, you have to admit it, the iphone now is surpassing wm if it haven't, it seems as tho the wm developers have abandoned the wm platform...
i have emailed many developers about updating their apps and games for the wvga resolution and their response was nothing but bad news...
i agree this topic is useless only bcos of when it was published, why now when 6.5 is on the horizon???? ....shouldn't this be relevant when all we knew about was 6.1 which has the windows 98 appearance?
wm 6.5 in the latest builds is just as sexy as the iphone and android's gui, and the good part is that it seems to be more customizable than the two.

I wont buy X2 even they integrate 2Ghz CPU inside. There are no major improvements, i noticed only better camera and WM6.5 which you already can install to X1. Im happy with X1 now. IF i would buy new phone i would wait for something like HTC leo with QWERTY(TouchPro3 ?).
Does X2 even have G-sensor?

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i agree but i wont say customizable, the symbian platform is way more customizable than wm, everything on my P1 was changed, and i mean everything, and much easier to do so than on wm, but the symbian OS including the UIQ felt as though something was missing, apart from wm which is practically the same thing as windows on a comp except that its on a mobile device........
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I agree about most of those things. Symbian is still my second favourite OS, but I wouldn't put it on par with WinMo. It is a smartphone platform not a ppc one.
iPhail = CRAP.
matejdro said:
IF i would buy new phone i would wait for something like HTC leo with QWERTY(TouchPro3 ?).
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Oh yeah .

doministry said:
This one I have to agree!
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Yes I agree too. All Microsoft really has to do is make the buttons look larger and make the skin more modern (that is what they are doing on 6.5, but I'd rather have the 6.1 start menu as an option - at least newer builds make the 6.5 more easily customizable).

poetryrocksalot said:
Yes I agree too. All Microsoft really has to do is make the buttons look larger and make the skin more modern (that is what they are doing on 6.5, but I'd rather have the 6.1 start menu as an option - at least newer builds make the 6.5 more easily customizable).
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Agreed about the start menu.
Some things in 6.5 look weird or ugly to me, but as a whole I'm looking forward to it.
Anyway, I was thinking about getting a second device with another OS, just to try something else. I'll stick to WinMo for the next several years for sure, but maybe an Android or a Maemo device won't hurt anyone .

A few days with my HD7

Just a mini review of my HD7 after 4 days use. Coming from an HD2 (with 6.5.5 & Android) and having had mobiles since the classic was the only phone on Cellnet you could get I've used most!
However the HD7 being a first version has it's issues. A couple I have noticed are just stupid - others annoying.
I won't go over how it looks or the tiles or anything like that; this is just my experience of the device as a "phone".
Call quality seems ok - but the moment you get a border line signal you're stuffed. Incoming call audio is fine they just cannot hear you at all. Nothing Nada! You need to get a bar on the signal meter or you've no hope of being heard. My 5800 & HD2 both hang on to a cell signal much longer than the HD7 does.
Phone book is nice however it has a trend to dial the last person called rather than the entry you want - especially if you've gone from call history to the phone book - I don't know how many times I phoned my mum recently (but I am sorry for being a phone pest!!). Again this seems to be a version 1 issues.
But my biggest two grips are that how do you save an email attachment? We've all got things on our phones we want to transfer - Nokia do a lovely app to BT all your old goodies to your new phone - please other phone people take note!
So emailed myself the file(s) I needed - they appear in the email - but no way to save them - I can open the media - just not save it! Great. No "right" finger or "hold" finger menu in email application.
OK then - lets BT the files over ... turn BT on - let's pair with the HD2 and get some files from it. Nope cannot pair with the HD2 in Android or WM6 - says "paired" but unable to connect. Fine. Let's try another way with BT push - nope - paired cannot connect... Bleeeeewwwhhh.
So there does not seem to be anyway to get something from someone on the move sent to your phone. Cannot save attachments and cannot pair with other phones to BT files. Maybe a v1 issue again?
Not too sure on the HD7 at the moment - the wow is nice and yes the interface seems to be working as expected. However loose a data connection and you cannot open the people hub until you restart the device for some odd reason after loading Facebook contacts, and worst still "Lists" no longer works and gives a message about a DLL missing. Great, cannot find a way to un-install it or re-install it. The only menu option is "share" which does not help much really.
I am going to see if there is anything on line about the issues it seems to have. But so far - yes good phone - but WP7 needs some work. Maybe a quick update is needed here Microsoft? HTC seem to have done well getting the units out - not sure if anyone else is seeing similar?
Oh and I would really like a some menus to give some more control over the phone! You criticise WM6.5 for not being very finger friendly - but at least you have some options to change! Where are they hidden in 7 LOL!
So far hardware 10/10 but OS? 2 maybe 3 /10.
Oh and HTC you're being bloody cheap not sending out your top of the range phone with out a sleeve to keep it in, the HD2 has a lovely sleeve and that has saved it many a time - the HD7 I had to spend another £15.00 ($20) on a bumper to keep it safe as no one has the sleeves yet!
So far my HD2 is with me the HD7 is at home - not sure yet if I can rely on it 24/7 as my primary phone.
I would not go as far as to say it is poor - WP7 that is - but I am for one not impressed considering that people must have tried at least once to BT each other something?

You are missing the point of this phone. While I agree on some of your good points (but few) this is supposed to be the Zune phone , the equivalent of the iPhone, basically an eye-candy multimedia-device which should also do basic comunication in a fast and easy way. I also came a long way over the years playing with Symbian & WM 5-6.5 and I loved all the tweeking and extra customization you had BUT to be honest I got bored with it.
As years passed I saw mobile phones becoming the substituent of the PC but also a substiuent of its problems.Just look at the past 2-3 years. Now we have discussions about freckin RAM and GHz when the whole point of the phone was JUST to run smooth and work fine ,not to mention the fact that battery development has been left with the same batteries from 2006 or so.
Basically it just got stucked.I was freckin tired of walking in a mobile shop and seing a bunch of touchscreen with a zillion icons as wallpaper.
Where was the excitement of actually buying a phone for having something new?
That was the main reason since I never bought a touchscreen phone and I have sticked with my (g)old E71 for the time being.
Android is IMO a laggy joke. Yes , it's still lagy and that is why I didn't buy a high-end smartphone untill now , the HD7.
I don't want to pay 400 euros for a laggy interface.
It's been 3 years already since the iPhone and it has still been the fastest OS with no lag until WP7.
Why my view may be a little off-topic I think this was the main idea of the WP7.Getting ridd of those "Really?!" moments.
I want a phone in 2010 which runs fast,smoooth and adds the basic customization(it's where WP7 currently lacks but it's not terrible).
For I-can't-find-my-sfnag.dll-complaiment people should buy/use their laptops
I hope WP7 rises as remembers this "high-end competition" what the purpose of a (multimedia) phone really is

I think yly3 has a point - one of the main features of WM7 (for better or worse) was the increased reliance on cloud storage. Maybe this was why most of the phones we're seeing are only 8Gb.
I think anyone coming from WM6.5 expecting WP7 to be an incremental upgrade, including existing functionality is likely to be disappointed.
What I foresee is mainly 3rd party apps making use of an opened up Bluetooth stack to gain access to your skydrive as if it were local storage. Similarly, having the option to save email attachments to your skydrive would be neat (I believe .docs can be saved)
For me, this is either genius, or a disaster - if you're away from a signal, your files are inaccessible, which is frustrating. That said, I'm rarely away from a signal these days, so maybe it's a non-issue.
Time will tell.

I have been using my HD7 for 2 weeks now, I love it and hate it at the same time. I love it for its smooth, flawless and simple user interface, but hate cause its just too simple... I know and expected that this was a locked up phone before I bought it but.. even some basic functions that I was used to doing on my HD2 was missing. Functions like sending files thru BT from my phone to any BT device. Even some basic configuration like adjusting the volume of the ringer is not clear on configuration page. its just a toggle on/off and not to mention that i can't use custom ringtones? I loved using custom mp3 for ringtones.. cause in a crowded place.. I would now that my phone was the one ringing. And just like steve said...the phone didn't come with a nice leather pouch to keep it safe, for a pricy phone like this. I just wish they would improve wp7 much sooner so I could enjoy using this phone more and get my money's worth.

The first update is due early 2011, so don't get your hopes up for ANY updates untill then. Rumours are that Copy/paste, BT, & Camera are all big factors in the first update.
I can't really complain after a solid 3 weeks of owning the phone. Yes there are a few niggles, but it's MUCH better than Iphones OS v1 was. So looking good imo.
Also all the comments i've seen on this thread appear to be on WP7, not the HD7 itself. Slightly confusing by the Thread title.

well thats good news i don't mind the wait.. but i hope they do fix it with the update... but those are for WP7. the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...it will take time here before i could buy a protective sleeve or rubber whatever. i just hope i don't drop or scratch it with my coins and keys in my pocket. also the camera button is hard to press... wish there was configuration where i could use the touch sensitive keys to take a picture. and speaking of wich.. the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games

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the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...
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I've always been of the opinion that if a phone needs a case, it's a badly designed phone.

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the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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My first purchase was Need for Speed, and the number of times I've been about to complete a circut, only to nudge the 'serach' button, which kicks me out of the race and I need to start again, is a real pain in the 'a**'.
It would be great if this button could be disabled while gaming, it's just too sensative and close to where you need to hold the phone....

Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.

I see what you mean but again this was named Windows Phone 7 , not Windows Mobile 7 and Microsoft stated many times it's something new , build completely from zero.
The main problem of WP7 would be, as you pointed, the lack of choice. Honestly, I don't know how many really use copy-paste. I don't know if I barely used it 4-5 times the last couple of years but that's just me not the whole world. And I am very surprised people still use MMS.
This is also a strategy to have your product upgraded and keep interest in it just like Apple has done it in the last years.
Maybe I am over-excited for finally having something new and fresh offered and according to the constant praise and support of Steve Ballmer this platform will get more updates than we have seen on any other mobile OS so far (it is Microsoft after all) thus having the first update 2 months after the release date.
So, basically I won't go further and maybe I don't have a strong argument against what you said but what I tend to see in nowadays reviews is that most of the people don't seem to get the whole picture and analyze a new phone only by checking their personal list of must-have features (again , agreeing that most of them really are a must).

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Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
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There are definitely things that are missing, no question, but I think they've got it right for a first release. If they waited to get everything done then we'd never see the OS. It's completely different to Android, and indeed WM6.5 I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that WM6.5 will be continued alongside WP7. I like the fact that it's all simple to use (and I'm a tech head). Sure it can occasionally be irritating where I want to get into the bluetooth settings for example to configure it more closely, but ultimately I can completely understand why they've done it. All you have to do is go in and turn it on, then choose a device to pair with. It involves very few steps which was exactly the spec for this OS.
I'm sure that in time there will be options to configure things more closely, but they will be hidden away so that you have to consciously choose to go into the advanced settings. Android was real fun for a while, something different, but I actually think that it's far too techy. After a while I got bored of everything being a bit clunky and hidden behind too many menus etc... To use everyday, it's just not that usable, not when you compare it to something like WP7.
I'm really looking forward to writing some apps for WP7 as I think it provides a different challenge - to make your app consistent with the UI and make it as user-friendly as possible. I think the possibilities are massive with WP7, and as long as MS really commits to it, rolls out regular updates to keep on improving the UI - crucially without breaking what it already does - then it could be a huge hit.

Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much

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Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.

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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.

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3) That is about hardware not wp7
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS

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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.

kromosto said:
1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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You might not care about Zune Pass but for anyone who wanted an mp3 player / phone this is the biggest selling factor. In fact I'd say zune integration is the best thing WP7 has going for it right now.
I am not really defending it that much also. Look my profile and see the last thread I made. I clearly pointed several huge glaring flaws in WP7. In that same thread I said more than 4 good things about it also. Before calling someone out, look at their previous posts; especially when trying to call out their position on things .
Here is a link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835095
WP7 is missing features 6.5 had but that was a matured and dying (dead now) OS, this is a completely new start. I am not over critical of it becasue i knew going in it was a first iteration OS. And for a first iteration OS it is far better than what iOS and android were. It actually does some things far better than them right now too. It has flaws, but ignoring strength and focusing only on flaws is wrong in my opinion.
I am also confused about your position on the speed of WP7. First you say its the hardware, which android and the iphone 4 have better hardware, and then you say its the OS and that backs up the statement i originally made. The OS is optimized to be faster than both iOS and android. That is a HUGE plus for WP7. It's doing more with less, don't over look that.
Again let me repeat my statement, it does have limitations but everything it does, it does the best. More features will be added with updates.

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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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LMAO
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About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.

kromosto said:
About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
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Because 6.5 and 7 are built on completely different platforms. You can not just pull features from 6.5 and put them in 7 because the programming language is different.
6.5 was good for its time, but do you know the main reason why I hear why people do not want to buy WP7 phones? All the headaches they got from 6.5 devices...
WM left a bad taste in ALOT of peoples mouths and that is still showing in WP7. Yes 6.5 might of been good for some but for most it was complete and utter crap.
Will alot of these features eventually be built into WP7 if enough people want them? I think so, but they will be built and coded to meet WP7's standards.