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Android on X1

hey, i know theres a way to put it on the kaiser already. any way on putting it on the x1?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782

Would be cool.
I want to install OS X too!

That would be pretty cool to see if it could be done

Im also interested in android for the x1, but just not yet. Dont really think its mature enough yet ( the OS )
cheers

at the current point of time i dont see a reason to use android either...
software for that plattform is still very very limited compared to WinMo

Turboguard said:
I want to install OS X too!
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yeah, I want to install OS2 warp!
seriously... it's a brand new device, don't start to bother with impossible requests

toxical said:
at the current point of time i dont see a reason to use android either...
software for that plattform is still very very limited compared to WinMo
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Learn some Java, write your own games and programs, and change the OS however you like. Maybe that's a reason?

I must say after playing with a G1 for a couple weeks now, getting gmail/contacts/calendar sync straight out of the box is really quite nice, and the interface is a real breath of fresh air for high-end devices.
However Android is still missing some key features (that I personally need) -- and not just whimsical "Hello world!" apps -- so like most other people I'll be waiting a few more software revisions/releases before I jump ship. But I am looking forward to it!

Black93300ZX said:
Learn some Java, write your own games and programs, and change the OS however you like. Maybe that's a reason?
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yeah, like i have unlimited free time My phone has to work and offer good features/software..i am sure android will be great, its just not there yet.

guap said:
yeah, I want to install OS2 warp!
seriously... it's a brand new device, don't start to bother with impossible requests
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i dont see why its an impossible request... its been done to two htc phones already just waiting on a port to the x1..

Sony Ericsson Indonesia said:
i dont see why its an impossible request... its been done to two htc phones already just waiting on a port to the x1..
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Well I think it's technically impossible until some developers get their hands on a X1 (or two), and right now I don't think any of them have any. No doubt a call for donations will be due for such a tall order.

xperia
How do you install Iphone OS on the xperia. It will be so cool. The xperia is way too slow and rough compared to the iphone 3g. Its like comparing a bus with a Ferrari. The Ferrari being the iphone.

greatestkelvin said:
How do you install Iphone OS on the xperia. It will be so cool. The xperia is way too slow and rough compared to the iphone 3g. Its like comparing a bus with a Ferrari. The Ferrari being the iphone.
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Hope for your sake you're just kidding
Also, you can carry a lot of useful things on a bus. With a Ferrari, it's just you and maybe one passenger.

You can already install a gimped version of Android on most WM phones..in fact it was possible several months ago. Someone pieced together a beta build using the Android-SDK. You install it in windows mobile and then choose to run it over WM. It isn't worth it though...not until someone takes the source and codes something specific to the X1 and even then it probably won't be great since the X1 can't do Multi-Touch like the OS is supposedly intended for either.
Just like others have said, the OS is still in rough shape. It would need quite a bit of work to get it going properly on an X1 and even then you would be limited.. However given a recent "leak" of info from MS it seem we should be expecting a WM6.5 upgrade in the comming months before WM7's launch that will give a better experience to users with touch screen phones. This likely means a better looking layout that is easier to navigate by finger.

I'm waiting for my X1. Then I'm gonna try to get Android 2 work.

mlinz said:
It isn't worth it though...not until someone takes the source and codes something specific to the X1 and even then it probably won't be great since the X1 can't do Multi-Touch like the OS is supposedly intended for either.
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Wouldn't "multi-touch" be an OS feature and not a hardware one?

xmoo said:
I'm waiting for my X1. Then I'm gonna try to get Android 2 work.
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Whoo!! i bow down to you hope ur x1 comes soon.. i bought mine to mess around with...

well this is a cool thing, but just for playing around, you cant work on a day to day base with that yet i bet.
Are there even drivers for the SD Card, Bluetooth, GPS, Camera and all that stuff done yet for other HTC phones running Android? Without all of that working its quite useless, on the other hand its important that some people get into it but as a enduser i wouldnt put any hopes in that.

well from what i understand the way you put android on htc devices it runs ontop of winmo so you can play around with it and when ur bored or whatever you can just switch back to windows mobile instead of android.. isnt a bad thing to try out imho..
right now im semi bored and trying out the polaris/kaiser/vouge files... the polaris one doesnt work.. gonna try others..

Both actually. The OS has to have support for it, but the screen needs to be able to register more than 1 simultaneous touch. You could technically use a few different types of screens for Multi-Touch, but most used today (Resistive) aren't that great and won't work as well when processing multiple inputs. The iphone, G1 use Capacitive touch screen thats offer a high level clarity and make recognition for a multi-touch enviroment a lot better.
The basic differenence recognition. Resistive, such as that used in most HTC devices (including the X1) has 2 layers with a gap inbetween and works off pressure. When you press on the screen, the "gap" shortends and the screen below pinpoints the pressed area from that, which isn't that great if you touch multiple locations the ability for the lower screen to recognize the location of the press will diminish because not only does the gap shorten there, but it also shorten in the distance between the to points. Other ways are to use tons of little cameras around screen, like the MS Surface, but that isn't that great either, specifically on a smaller screen size.

HTC Magic software/ROM????????

hello all,
i love HTC software/ROM's (touch it from Itje), but have came across what looks to be the best software going, it is the HTC magic software, i am thinking to get rid of my xperia and getting the HTC, unless there is some amazing person who will be able to copy it to a ROM for our xperia.
have a look at following page to see for yourself:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html
thank you in advance

scorpio2008 said:
hello all,
i love HTC software/ROM's (touch it from Itje), but have came across what looks to be the best software going, it is the HTC magic software, i am thinking to get rid of my xperia and getting the HTC, unless there is some amazing person who will be able to copy it to a ROM for our xperia.
have a look at following page to see for yourself:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/overview.html
thank you in advance
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This is a phone with Andriod (Google's Mobile Phone OS) as OS system, so impossible to run on a Windows Mobile phone ..

FalkenX said:
This is a phone with Andriod (Google's Mobile Phone OS) as OS system, so impossible to run on a Windows Mobile phone ..
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Rubbish.
While we might not be there yet there is no technical reason why this is not achievable. We don't have drivers and specs and the like that are needed to do the job properly YET. There is nothing which fundamentally makes running Android/Linux impossible other than current lack of information.

reborg said:
Rubbish.
While we might not be there yet there is no technical reason why this is not achievable. We don't have drivers and specs and the like that are needed to do the job properly YET. There is nothing which fundamentally makes running Android/Linux impossible other than current lack of information.
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Drivers and specs? Dude, please learn something about Andriod, its totally different as WM, so with a driver or some tweaks it is impossible to run on a WM phone, you would have to rebuild the whole os which isnt an opperation similar to cooking a rom..

have a read in the android dev forums. I think the SPL is different, but may be wrong. So i don't think it's as simple as just using an nbh (which is a pity).. The g1 is also a HTC device.. some of the guys on the G1 forums would explain exactly whether it was possible or not..
However there is continual development on building android for current devices, including a thread in this very forum.. See Xmoo for details..

Yeah, emulating another up-to-date OS...just think of all the the 15years old gameboy and NES-games that are still slow when they are emulated under Windows Mobile.
The only possibility would be to not emulate Android but boot it instead of Windows Mobile...but I don't think the hardware is built for this so you won't get everything to work as it's meant to be.
By the way...Android is ugly in my opinion.

i think it must be possible.....
cause the Magic has the same chipset like touch HD and so the hardware should be very similar.....
i know a guy who was flashing a symbian OS on an Sony ericsson W810i and it runs..... extremely slow but it runs.
i think the only thing would be the different display resolution...... and some driver things but i have no skills in programmng so dont ask me xD

Err...........
It is possible and even i the case of Vogue CDMA, most functions are working
Diamond and Raphael has managed to boot Android 1.0 and even get the radio working (though no bluetooth, wifi, 3G nor sound yet) so sending SMSs is possible and so is making calls, though you can't hear anything because there is no sound yet.
Blackstone also recently managed to fix the screen issue...
I'm sure there are more projects going on, but it's definitly possible to run Android on WM devices

Well I've got 1.0 booting on the x1.. Unfortunately I havent got the touchscreen working just yet... the onscreen keyboard does, not the screen.
I will work on it when I get a chance, but my linux box is at work, so experimenting is best when I get a chance there.
Screen colours are perfect, the screens still upside down though..
I'm still learning about how this works, but I'm learning quickly..
as to the talk of emulators, this isn't emulation..

iPhone 4G (Review)

Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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tsalta said:
Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
3. the pictures you're searching for are here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof/
*the pics you provide were actually made before the 3GS
4. the processor will likely be the same as in the ipad (rumors)

haha..removable battery.. never, my friend, never.
fake.

shu8i said:
1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
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You're right! HD2 is a nice piece of HARDWARE! The underlying OS is still a big pile of crap written by people who know nothing about OS design. Deciders there must be REAL stupid to think that checkboxes/combos/lists on a classic desktop computer scales down correctly to a 2~3 inches handheld screen when there, they'll be 16 pixels tall... Stupid conception, lack of minimal intelligence! People using handhelds want to use their fingers, not styluses!
iPhone, as MacOS X, uses a BSD kernel as foundations and there you have real engineers design. I don't own any Apple machine and I dislike a lot this brand but I'm a Unix lover for all its concepts and they were designed in the 70's!
Windows, and then WinMo, doesn't scale anywhere but in a classic computer, be it a desktop or a server.
BSD/Linux/whatever Unix flavour scales from the smallest Phone/DVDPlayer/MP3Player to the Top500 super computers accross the world! Sorry mate but that is design!
HD2 is a very nice device only because of 1GHz SnapDragon! The OS is so badly designed in its internals that you must compensate with a strong armed CPU to make it run fast.
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS... Tell me know... What in Android is so much more optimised in graphics rendering that the native OS, designed specifically by Microsoft and HTC for the drivers part, can't match with ?
I use DeviceEmulator with 6.5 ROM on a Windows machine and on the Windows part, I use a CPU monitor. DeviceEmulator isn't graphics optimized and all operations and refreshes are done via the emulated ARM CPU. Tell me... Using iPhoneToday loaded with icons and multiple pages, the scrolling is very smooth and the Windows CPU monitor shows a 20% usage while scrolling. Playing the same way with the 6.5 StartMenu seems a bit more jerky and shows a 78% CPU usage ? If Microsoft "engineers" knew a bit about quality programming, we would know for a long time now!
Finally ever used any .NET CF 3.5 application ? That's the WORST user experience one can have ! Take a fine example : iContactAE ! 2 executables, the main one which does not feature a single line of .NET CF code and the setup tool which is entirely written in .NET CF...
The first one features instantaneous startup time, smooth and fast scrolling, ultra reactivity and low memory consumption (compared to it's "massive" graphical objects usage). The second one, on my Blackstone, "features" 6s startup time, sluggish pages refresh and all that for... checkboxes, comboboxes and tabbed configuration pages! Yeah... that's what we call "computing evolution".
Please, find me a SINGLE application, written in .NET CF, not memory resident that, on a modern device (400MHz CPU) features quite instantaneous startup time and no sluggish refreshes. Good luck!

Its funny how many people instantly jump on Windows Mobile when the HD2 is mentioned, and they don't mention HTC Sense, which imo, is awesome, along with other apps you can get, you can have the HD2 running amazingly. The underlying OS IS crap, everyone knows that, and it is very dated, BUT it has given us HTC Sense so to speak.

Sithlord said:
You're right! HD2 is a nice piece of HARDWARE! The underlying OS is still a big pile of crap written by people who know nothing about OS design. Deciders there must be REAL stupid to think that checkboxes/combos/lists on a classic desktop computer scales down correctly to a 2~3 inches handheld screen when there, they'll be 16 pixels tall... Stupid conception, lack of minimal intelligence! People using handhelds want to use their fingers, not styluses!
iPhone, as MacOS X, uses a BSD kernel as foundations and there you have real engineers design. I don't own any Apple machine and I dislike a lot this brand but I'm a Unix lover for all its concepts and they were designed in the 70's!
Windows, and then WinMo, doesn't scale anywhere but in a classic computer, be it a desktop or a server.
BSD/Linux/whatever Unix flavour scales from the smallest Phone/DVDPlayer/MP3Player to the Top500 super computers accross the world! Sorry mate but that is design!
HD2 is a very nice device only because of 1GHz SnapDragon! The OS is so badly designed in its internals that you must compensate with a strong armed CPU to make it run fast.
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS... Tell me know... What in Android is so much more optimised in graphics rendering that the native OS, designed specifically by Microsoft and HTC for the drivers part, can't match with ?
I use DeviceEmulator with 6.5 ROM on a Windows machine and on the Windows part, I use a CPU monitor. DeviceEmulator isn't graphics optimized and all operations and refreshes are done via the emulated ARM CPU. Tell me... Using iPhoneToday loaded with icons and multiple pages, the scrolling is very smooth and the Windows CPU monitor shows a 20% usage while scrolling. Playing the same way with the 6.5 StartMenu seems a bit more jerky and shows a 78% CPU usage ? If Microsoft "engineers" knew a bit about quality programming, we would know for a long time now!
Finally ever used any .NET CF 3.5 application ? That's the WORST user experience one can have ! Take a fine example : iContactAE ! 2 executables, the main one which does not feature a single line of .NET CF code and the setup tool which is entirely written in .NET CF...
The first one features instantaneous startup time, smooth and fast scrolling, ultra reactivity and low memory consumption (compared to it's "massive" graphical objects usage). The second one, on my Blackstone, "features" 6s startup time, sluggish pages refresh and all that for... checkboxes, comboboxes and tabbed configuration pages! Yeah... that's what we call "computing evolution".
Please, find me a SINGLE application, written in .NET CF, not memory resident that, on a modern device (400MHz CPU) features quite instantaneous startup time and no sluggish refreshes. Good luck!
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that's where sense comes to work to hide that crap get some addons like co0kie and your homescreen is as customizable as android (move around abjects, delete etc.). get a custom ROM and it's like 5x faster than than stock. so it's not just the hardware. i dare you to find any mobile OS that you can customize as you can a winmo device

shu8i said:
1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
3. the pictures you're searching for are here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof/
*the pics you provide were actually made before the 3GS
4. the processor will likely be the same as in the ipad (rumors)
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I CANT Agree with you
I use Blackstone but i play with HD2 so.. maybe you never play with 3GS ? so now here we speak Bullshits.. I DONT LIKE the APLE company but when i see something BLACK i cant tell is WHITE do u understand me what i mean?!
Also now you compare 2 absolutly diferent devices..
Also no matter what Processor will put in the NEW devices i mean new HTC and other WinMo devices.. they never will run Smooth And Faster..
FOr everyone here Smooth and Faster mean diferent things.. for my Slow for someone can be a Faster and etc etc...
But we must all to agree that the feeling when you touching iPhone Screen and slide and do all the things.. is COMPLATE diferent and you cannot compare it with any other WINMO device...
Also for example im using Blackstone and i have it from when they hit the market..
SO he have bigger screen than iPhone and its good looking device.. BUT on the same time..no matter of that big screen the Blackstone is NOT FINGER FRIENDLY no matter do with WinMo 6.5 or 6.5.5 we trying to make it more finger friendly but have something that we cannot change because the Whole WINDOWS MOBILE OS is not finger Friendly...
So why u need a bigger screen then? when its hard to do everything with fingers?
the HTC do awesome devices and not only the Biggest problem always will be Microsoft everyone know that WINDOWS is one of the Slowest OS avalible..
When Android hit the market and like we know is a young OS platform even they are 10 times faster than Windows.. so for this reason im telling you
for exampe after 5 years you will buy a HTC with 2 GHZ processor and one iPhone with half of this parameters will make you crazy because JUST the Windows Mobile OS Sucks..
When the new iPhone is out after around 2 mounths and even i dont know the full real specs i can insure you that this Phone will kill all Device that you speak now they are fast.. LEO and etc..
The Hardwere is PERFECT but the Soft is very very BAD.

tsalta said:
I CANT Agree with you
I use Blackstone but i play with HD2 so.. maybe you never play with 3GS ? so now here we speak Bullshits.. I DONT LIKE the APLE company but when i see something BLACK i cant tell is WHITE do u understand me what i mean?!
Also now you compare 2 absolutly diferent devices..
Also no matter what Processor will put in the NEW devices i mean new HTC and other WinMo devices.. they never will run Smooth And Faster..
FOr everyone here Smooth and Faster mean diferent things.. for my Slow for someone can be a Faster and etc etc...
But we must all to agree that the feeling when you touching iPhone Screen and slide and do all the things.. is COMPLATE diferent and you cannot compare it with any other WINMO device...
Also for example im using Blackstone and i have it from when they hit the market..
SO he have bigger screen than iPhone and its good looking device.. BUT on the same time..no matter of that big screen the Blackstone is NOT FINGER FRIENDLY no matter do with WinMo 6.5 or 6.5.5 we trying to make it more finger friendly but have something that we cannot change because the Whole WINDOWS MOBILE OS is not finger Friendly...
So why u need a bigger screen then? when its hard to do everything with fingers?
the HTC do awesome devices and not only the Biggest problem always will be Microsoft everyone know that WINDOWS is one of the Slowest OS avalible..
When Android hit the market and like we know is a young OS platform even they are 10 times faster than Windows.. so for this reason im telling you
for exampe after 5 years you will buy a HTC with 2 GHZ processor and one iPhone with half of this parameters will make you crazy because JUST the Windows Mobile OS Sucks..
When the new iPhone is out after around 2 mounths and even i dont know the full real specs i can insure you that this Phone will kill all Device that you speak now they are fast.. LEO and etc..
The Hardwere is PERFECT but the Soft is very very BAD.
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actually no i do not understand what you mean. first, stop to generalize everything. second i came from an iphone to the HD2 / and almost every friend of mine has an iphone, so yeah i know how an iphone feels and after using the HD2 an iphone will never be an option for me again. HTC made a great job integrating Sense into winmo, so thats for fingerfriendly. Screensize? well don't you ever watch videos/pics on your device? it has nothing to do with the OS.
_but_
that's not the point of this thread,is it? although i don't understand what you want to review before the device is actually out.

why is this board filled up with so much hate against WM? why do such people sign up to this board if this is all they do? Do they even know that without WM xda-developers never existed!
about complaints about checkboxes and whatever. Windows Mobile originally was a operating system for PDAs and noone used their fingers to use it. A stylus was common sense.... You can only blame Microsoft for not releasing a new finger friendly UI earlier. But to talk **** about the OS (only because the checkboxes are too small) is very very stupid!!!
I think some people here should run their own site and call it iphone-developers.com and we are free of all this junk.
And if the next guy is now jumping in "Why don't you choose the best available OS and not only defend a bad habit" then he can leave already. People contributing to this board already made their decission to have a WM phone.
Thanks for attention!

MalekoUK said:
Its funny how many people instantly jump on Windows Mobile when the HD2 is mentioned, and they don't mention HTC Sense, which imo, is awesome, along with other apps you can get, you can have the HD2 running amazingly. The underlying OS IS crap, everyone knows that, and it is very dated, BUT it has given us HTC Sense so to speak.
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Don't misunderstand me! HD2 is a NICE device and I wish I could have one myself. Unfortunately, it uses a WinMo OS. Unfortunately again, some apps I really need only exist (for now) on WinMo so I'll wait a bit.
After that, I'll certainly jump on the Android world as it is the only world meeting my needs and wishes (which are very picky on technical aspects). iPhone is a no go for me only because of Apple itself, I just hate the way this company gives itself the right to take decisions on behalf of the end user, where the device physically is!
Android also have it's drawbacks and I hope nothing nasty will happen with it.

Sithlord said:
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS...
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Could someone please direct me to the Blackstone HTC stock rom with WM6.5?

shu8i said:
that's where sense comes to work to hide that crap get some addons like co0kie and your homescreen is as customizable as android (move around abjects, delete etc.). get a custom ROM and it's like 5x faster than than stock. so it's not just the hardware. i dare you to find any mobile OS that you can customize as you can a winmo device
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That's funny but I precisely REMOVED HTC Sense/Manila specifically because, from my point of view, it's totally UNCONFIGURABLE
Hiding/Showing tabs is not what I call "configurable software". Ever tried to add your own Tab for your own needs and wishes ? You'll find out you can't... Ok then, let's try to feedle with the internal configuration to find something useful and reach the goal.. Wow.. how nice! Compiled LUA scripts, proprietary QIX image format (what the hell for, god knows), stupid and useless files naming conventions, etc.. etc...
Yep, exactly ALL I hate from proprietary software developpment. "We MUST close ALL doors to end users! They don't need to know, they MUST NOT know how our internals work".
Strangely enough, iPhoneToday or, more Sense-like software such as WisbarAdvanceDesktop, REALLY ARE what I call "configurable software" because they really ALLOW you to whatever you want!
Oh, and for the record, of course I use a cooked ROM and less than 1% of original WinMo standard applications... I've replaced quite all of them by software designed by REAL developpers, not MS wanabees only able to pee useless and unoptimised lines of code

RAMMANN said:
why is this board filled up with so much hate against WM? why do such people sign up to this board if this is all they do? Do they even know that without WM xda-developers never existed!
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I see it in another way... Without XDA-Dev, I wouldn't have bought a WinMo device, which would be totally useless using only poorly designed provided software.
RAMMANN said:
about complaints about checkboxes and whatever. Windows Mobile originally was a operating system for PDAs and noone used their fingers to use it. A stylus was common sense.... You can only blame Microsoft for not releasing a new finger friendly UI earlier. But to talk **** about the OS (only because the checkboxes are too small) is very very stupid!!!
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Here you are mistaken! Tell me exactly the difference between a PDA and a PDAPhone ? None except the phone functionality!
Stylus wasn't common sense at all, it was a decision, nothing more nothing less! These devices are TouchScreen devices, using a stylus or your fingers doesn't change the technology behind! Resistive screens (WinMo) are very precise but not reactive, Capacitive screens (iPhone, HD2) are not precise at all but very reactive. Using fingers instead of stylus explains why all devices are migrating to capacitive screens. Users want their device to respond quickly and use their fingers, hence my rant agains WinMo design and piles of pure design crap such as .NET CF (from a developper perspective : traversing 20 inherited classes from the method to the actual function in the OS can't make the framework react fast in any way! Ever seen a .NET CF stack trace in case of an exception? I've only seen Java producing so huge stack traces)
I blame MS for not being able to understand their users and take for granted that in late 2000, users still want to use styluses... Get rid of them! I blame MS for not being able to consider that Portable devices ARE NOT Desktop Computers and rules applying to the later ones do NOT apply to former ones. MS lack everything, from long term vision to technical expertise!
Their only strength lies in the fact that WinMo devices are so spread in the world that they have some kind of assured market. If the market was the result of technical merits, WinMo wouldn't even exist!

xaccers said:
Could someone please direct me to the Blackstone HTC stock rom with WM6.5?
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HTC decided that Blackstone is an old and deprecated device so only 6.1 ROM is available
For a really stock 6.5 ROM, KWBR Vanilla Series
I've tested 6.5.3 and 6.5.5 ROMs and I haven't yet decided which one to use, I first have to test them thoroughly. I really like "stock" ROMs, not fully featured with builtin software which turns to be "useless" in time with the need of updates. I'd rather update software than reflash my ROM.
* Blackstonehenge : 6.5.3 ROM (28232) => Clean and pretty fast
* Ravage (Clean) : 6.5.5 ROM (23547) => Clean and fast. But, for some reason, I can't find it anymore on the forum.. Anyway, Ravage seems to be a discontinued project.
No other 6.5.5 ROM attracts me, most are overloaded with useless software (for my needs of course) and featuring visual themes that I really don't like

I TOTALY AGREE with you
Without XDA i will never buy a WinMo so here is what we talk about.
If XDA was not avalible do u still will get an HD2? I DONT THINK SO because all you will get with that device is some Stupid apps from Marketplace and etc...
Honestly when i buy my Blackstone if there was not a XDA i will break my device after a mounth of usage and put it in the TRASH...
I dont know but if i was a Microsoft or some HTC director will plan to make a serious very serious DONATION to XDA because i don`t know who will buy something without support.
All the Guys from here are here because they want to be here and they are for free here so imagine if they was not here.
so HTC and Microsoft must to buy for each member here one Bentley minimum for the jobs they did...

Sithlord said:
HTC decided that Blackstone is an old and deprecated device so only 6.1 ROM is available
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Exactly what I thought.
So by putting a cooked rom of an OS on the blackstone and saying it's slow isn't really a reasonable thing to do.
It would be like me taking my HX2190b with a cooked WM6.5 ROM on it and complaining that it's slow (which it isn't come to think of it).
When PDAs first came out, the mindset amongst not only the manufacturers but also the users was they were pocket PC's, and so should have similar interfaces as the current PC OS.
The screens were not that large or responsive and usually had a large bevel around them.
Due to the low resolution and therefore low useful text/icon size it made sense to use a stylus, just as it made sense to give it a file manager and start menu that resembled the PC's.
You still had finger friendly shortcuts.
PDAs were a niche market, it was years before someone in the business thought of combining the two and that was into a smartphone with a tiny screen.
OK in developer land there were people who were slowly creating dialers which turned your PDA into a windows mobile device via bluetooth to your cellphone but of the ones I knew about they didn't get very far.
M$ have never seemed to put much value on PDAs, and even now, I don't think their low market share really bothers them that much, just look at how awful WP7 looks.

Nexus one! Enough said.
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@ topic: http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone

xaccers said:
Exactly what I thought.
So by putting a cooked rom of an OS on the blackstone and saying it's slow isn't really a reasonable thing to do.
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You REALLY MUST BE KIDDING, don't you?
Stock 6.1 ROM from HTC is painfully slow ! KWBR's WinMo 6.5 is way faster and responsive ! Both Ravage (6.5.5) and BlackstoneHenge (6.5.3) are even faster and responsive.
Nonetheless, all of them are still far away from the smoothness of Android or an iPhone.
xaccers said:
When PDAs first came out, the mindset amongst not only the manufacturers but also the users was they were pocket PC's, and so should have similar interfaces as the current PC OS.
The screens were not that large or responsive and usually had a large bevel around them.
Due to the low resolution and therefore low useful text/icon size it made sense to use a stylus, just as it made sense to give it a file manager and start menu that resembled the PC's.
You still had finger friendly shortcuts.
PDAs were a niche market, it was years before someone in the business thought of combining the two and that was into a smartphone with a tiny screen.
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That's exactly my point! The pure lack of vision from MS. Trying to reproduce on PDAs what was done on desktops... Just like trying to fit in a motorcycle everything coming from a car (seats, pedals, stiringwheel, gearbox, ..) on the sole basic idea that both are vehicles, eventhough they have nothing to do one another...

This has zero credibility to me.
But I think there has been a real accidental leak. See the following for the real thing:
http://m.gizmodo.com/site?sid=gizmo...s-is-apples-next-iphone?op=post&refId=5520164
http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone?skyline=true&s=i
The phone has been cleverly disguised as a 3GS with a specially made plastic case. When it was first found in the bar, it was working, running OS4.0. After a while, it was deactivated by Apple and can now only show the USB cable connecting to iTune logo. When plugged into iTune, it is identified as an iPhone.
Apparently, Geohot, our Godman hacker, the author of BlackRa1n, wants to re-activate this phone now. So, all evidence point to the authencity of this as the real next iPhone.
Cheers.
tsalta said:
Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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Symbian on Xperia X1

Any chance that we can get this?
I mean, we almost have Android complete so what about Symbian?

No offence, but what is so great about symbian :/
I have never really liked that os to be honest. I like windows mobile better
But android is better than that again ofc

ukon said:
No offence, but what is so great about symbian :/
I have never really liked that os to be honest. I like windows mobile better
But android is better than that again ofc
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Well, my parents are using symbian and I like it way more than my WinMo one cause it's fast and easy to use.

Symbian is ****, it is too complicated, slow and it is not customizable.

Sorry and no offense, but i hate symbian xD
y don't we stick to winmo and android. get android perfected
then we can see about other things, like maemo!

Jonny4911 said:
Sorry and no offense, but i hate symbian xD
y don't we stick to winmo and android. get android perfected
then we can see about other things, like maemo!
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Seems like none likes symbian. I'ma look what maemo is.

wesjeex3 said:
Any chance that we can get this?
I mean, we almost have Android complete so what about Symbian?
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get a nokia for gods sake.....no need to start a thread on this!!!
PS: seen the utube video on kinetic scroll on n97 that will ne included in the upcoming firmware.....apperently its brand new concept (thus it makes the device slow as hell) and every1 cant wait

agent_47 said:
get a nokia for gods sake.....no need to start a thread on this!!!
PS: seen the utube video on kinetic scroll on n97 that will ne included in the upcoming firmware.....apperently its brand new concept (thus it makes the device slow as hell) and every1 cant wait
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You can make yourself also clear in replying a normal message instead of this. But I got it, close if you like.

Well.. symbian UIQ3 was quite decent on my p990i (after every update )
It ran coreplayer just like on my xperia .. probably it had a working hardware acceleration.

i didnt see anything great about symbian when i had the p910i,p990i,p1 but then when i sold my p1 to a friend and got a xperia,then playing around with the p1 i remembered i didn't get as many issues as i do with the x1, and then missing gdesk and myphone explorer i had been conditioned to it.i had been thinking about getting a p1 again or get a android phone.

i've been long time ago using symbian
no offence but symbian, the feature isn't complete compare to winmo
and i think its more fun when i use winmo...

no hard feelings but i can scarcely imagine why on earth would someone using a ppc/smart phone would like to use such a ""WONDERFUL"" system haha...

As I can see here everyone is stuck on WinMo.
For God's sake, what is so great with windows mobile. I think, nothing. Very slow, not so user friendly, cpu and memory demanding and many other issues that I've seen in my, (considerably big), experience. Opposite to WinMo, symbian runs on slower CPU-s very smootly, does not need so much memory in order to be operable, and yet it is enough customisable. At leest according to me.
And after all, symbian apps can be developed by third parties 'cause it is open source, as android is, but for winmo the one needs to pay to Microsoft if wants to develop any app.
That is what is so great about symbian in compare to winmo.
The only adwantage of winmo is that this Os is realy high customisable and you can do any makeup that will work. But question is:
What do you like more package or its content???
Thanks for reading this !

branitelj91 said:
For God's sake, what is so great with windows mobile. I think, nothing. Very slow, not so user friendly, cpu and memory demanding and many other issues that I've seen in my, (considerably big), experience. Opposite to WinMo, symbian runs on slower CPU-s very smootly, does not need so much memory in order to be operable, and yet it is enough customisable. At leest according to me.
And after all, symbian apps can be developed by third parties 'cause it is open source, as android is, but for winmo the one needs to pay to Microsoft if wants to develop any app.
That is what is so great about symbian in compare to winmo.
The only adwantage of winmo is that this Os is realy high customisable and you can do any makeup that will work. But question is:
What do you like more package or its content???
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Obviously, you know nothing on what you are talking about. U don't need to pay anything to develop app for WM as EVC are free download.
symbian is an very outdate POS. Not until recently their S60 v5 start having touchscreen support, but software support still rather limited.

i also support jackleung
relay i hate that symbaon os it is not good for professionals and too out dated

jackleung said:
Obviously, you know nothing on what you are talking about. U don't need to pay anything to develop app for WM as EVC are free download.
symbian is an very outdate POS. Not until recently their S60 v5 start having touchscreen support, but software support still rather limited.
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i agree.. with most symbian now i mean the new one with touch support, it like your changing the body of a ferrari with a toyota engine lols....
can't do much on symbian.. "you can't modify it to what you REALLY like".. only optional presets to choose..
windows is windows ...branitelj91, you even use windows to post that one..

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For God's sake, what is so great with windows mobile. I think, nothing.
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Then why are you posting in here?
Owh wait, why do you even browse through this forum for crying out loud?
Go play with you sissy symbian phone.
My countrymen always said: "You don't like it, get out!"

branitelj91 said:
As I can see here everyone is stuck on WinMo.
For God's sake, what is so great with windows mobile. I think, nothing. Very slow, not so user friendly, cpu and memory demanding and many other issues that I've seen in my, (considerably big), experience. Opposite to WinMo, symbian runs on slower CPU-s very smootly, does not need so much memory in order to be operable, and yet it is enough customisable. At leest according to me.
And after all, symbian apps can be developed by third parties 'cause it is open source, as android is, but for winmo the one needs to pay to Microsoft if wants to develop any app.
That is what is so great about symbian in compare to winmo.
The only adwantage of winmo is that this Os is realy high customisable and you can do any makeup that will work. But question is:
What do you like more package or its content???
Thanks for reading this !
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wow isn't it great guys? i didn't know symbian is so wonderful! i saw my friend using this phone called nokia music express and it SUX!!!! touch screen? i think scratching my back is easier than scrolling on a symbian touch phone! the gps works even better! u only get ur reception after 15 or 20 minutes! if this kinda system satisfies you, i think u r better off with a normal SE phone or better still get a land line! hahaha

SiRIus[X] said:
i think scratching my back is easier than scrolling on a symbian touch phone!
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Can't agree more! I remember I tried my friend's N95 couples years ago (which was the TOP of the line Nokia phone at that period). It crash everytime I tried to use it's built-in GPS software (and I tested it after hard reset). What a piece of ****!
Even Nokia is dumping Symbian for it's upcoming smartphone series. Why would anyone want it over WM?? WM is not perfect but it WAY more advance than Symbian, and it suit my current needs most.
iPhone is good for it's UI, smoothness, user friendly, and first hand experience.
Andriod is good for it's openness, future potential, and google support.
WM is good for customization, lots of useful softwares (if you know how to look), best GPS software support.
Symbian?? Good for nothing!

jackleung said:
Symbian?? Good for nothing!
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although symbian is a good for nothing-money wasting-under performing device we shouldn't criticize that haha... we might be hurting somebody's feelings some ppl jz can't move forward heh..

A few days with my HD7

Just a mini review of my HD7 after 4 days use. Coming from an HD2 (with 6.5.5 & Android) and having had mobiles since the classic was the only phone on Cellnet you could get I've used most!
However the HD7 being a first version has it's issues. A couple I have noticed are just stupid - others annoying.
I won't go over how it looks or the tiles or anything like that; this is just my experience of the device as a "phone".
Call quality seems ok - but the moment you get a border line signal you're stuffed. Incoming call audio is fine they just cannot hear you at all. Nothing Nada! You need to get a bar on the signal meter or you've no hope of being heard. My 5800 & HD2 both hang on to a cell signal much longer than the HD7 does.
Phone book is nice however it has a trend to dial the last person called rather than the entry you want - especially if you've gone from call history to the phone book - I don't know how many times I phoned my mum recently (but I am sorry for being a phone pest!!). Again this seems to be a version 1 issues.
But my biggest two grips are that how do you save an email attachment? We've all got things on our phones we want to transfer - Nokia do a lovely app to BT all your old goodies to your new phone - please other phone people take note!
So emailed myself the file(s) I needed - they appear in the email - but no way to save them - I can open the media - just not save it! Great. No "right" finger or "hold" finger menu in email application.
OK then - lets BT the files over ... turn BT on - let's pair with the HD2 and get some files from it. Nope cannot pair with the HD2 in Android or WM6 - says "paired" but unable to connect. Fine. Let's try another way with BT push - nope - paired cannot connect... Bleeeeewwwhhh.
So there does not seem to be anyway to get something from someone on the move sent to your phone. Cannot save attachments and cannot pair with other phones to BT files. Maybe a v1 issue again?
Not too sure on the HD7 at the moment - the wow is nice and yes the interface seems to be working as expected. However loose a data connection and you cannot open the people hub until you restart the device for some odd reason after loading Facebook contacts, and worst still "Lists" no longer works and gives a message about a DLL missing. Great, cannot find a way to un-install it or re-install it. The only menu option is "share" which does not help much really.
I am going to see if there is anything on line about the issues it seems to have. But so far - yes good phone - but WP7 needs some work. Maybe a quick update is needed here Microsoft? HTC seem to have done well getting the units out - not sure if anyone else is seeing similar?
Oh and I would really like a some menus to give some more control over the phone! You criticise WM6.5 for not being very finger friendly - but at least you have some options to change! Where are they hidden in 7 LOL!
So far hardware 10/10 but OS? 2 maybe 3 /10.
Oh and HTC you're being bloody cheap not sending out your top of the range phone with out a sleeve to keep it in, the HD2 has a lovely sleeve and that has saved it many a time - the HD7 I had to spend another £15.00 ($20) on a bumper to keep it safe as no one has the sleeves yet!
So far my HD2 is with me the HD7 is at home - not sure yet if I can rely on it 24/7 as my primary phone.
I would not go as far as to say it is poor - WP7 that is - but I am for one not impressed considering that people must have tried at least once to BT each other something?

You are missing the point of this phone. While I agree on some of your good points (but few) this is supposed to be the Zune phone , the equivalent of the iPhone, basically an eye-candy multimedia-device which should also do basic comunication in a fast and easy way. I also came a long way over the years playing with Symbian & WM 5-6.5 and I loved all the tweeking and extra customization you had BUT to be honest I got bored with it.
As years passed I saw mobile phones becoming the substituent of the PC but also a substiuent of its problems.Just look at the past 2-3 years. Now we have discussions about freckin RAM and GHz when the whole point of the phone was JUST to run smooth and work fine ,not to mention the fact that battery development has been left with the same batteries from 2006 or so.
Basically it just got stucked.I was freckin tired of walking in a mobile shop and seing a bunch of touchscreen with a zillion icons as wallpaper.
Where was the excitement of actually buying a phone for having something new?
That was the main reason since I never bought a touchscreen phone and I have sticked with my (g)old E71 for the time being.
Android is IMO a laggy joke. Yes , it's still lagy and that is why I didn't buy a high-end smartphone untill now , the HD7.
I don't want to pay 400 euros for a laggy interface.
It's been 3 years already since the iPhone and it has still been the fastest OS with no lag until WP7.
Why my view may be a little off-topic I think this was the main idea of the WP7.Getting ridd of those "Really?!" moments.
I want a phone in 2010 which runs fast,smoooth and adds the basic customization(it's where WP7 currently lacks but it's not terrible).
For I-can't-find-my-sfnag.dll-complaiment people should buy/use their laptops
I hope WP7 rises as remembers this "high-end competition" what the purpose of a (multimedia) phone really is

I think yly3 has a point - one of the main features of WM7 (for better or worse) was the increased reliance on cloud storage. Maybe this was why most of the phones we're seeing are only 8Gb.
I think anyone coming from WM6.5 expecting WP7 to be an incremental upgrade, including existing functionality is likely to be disappointed.
What I foresee is mainly 3rd party apps making use of an opened up Bluetooth stack to gain access to your skydrive as if it were local storage. Similarly, having the option to save email attachments to your skydrive would be neat (I believe .docs can be saved)
For me, this is either genius, or a disaster - if you're away from a signal, your files are inaccessible, which is frustrating. That said, I'm rarely away from a signal these days, so maybe it's a non-issue.
Time will tell.

I have been using my HD7 for 2 weeks now, I love it and hate it at the same time. I love it for its smooth, flawless and simple user interface, but hate cause its just too simple... I know and expected that this was a locked up phone before I bought it but.. even some basic functions that I was used to doing on my HD2 was missing. Functions like sending files thru BT from my phone to any BT device. Even some basic configuration like adjusting the volume of the ringer is not clear on configuration page. its just a toggle on/off and not to mention that i can't use custom ringtones? I loved using custom mp3 for ringtones.. cause in a crowded place.. I would now that my phone was the one ringing. And just like steve said...the phone didn't come with a nice leather pouch to keep it safe, for a pricy phone like this. I just wish they would improve wp7 much sooner so I could enjoy using this phone more and get my money's worth.

The first update is due early 2011, so don't get your hopes up for ANY updates untill then. Rumours are that Copy/paste, BT, & Camera are all big factors in the first update.
I can't really complain after a solid 3 weeks of owning the phone. Yes there are a few niggles, but it's MUCH better than Iphones OS v1 was. So looking good imo.
Also all the comments i've seen on this thread appear to be on WP7, not the HD7 itself. Slightly confusing by the Thread title.

well thats good news i don't mind the wait.. but i hope they do fix it with the update... but those are for WP7. the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...it will take time here before i could buy a protective sleeve or rubber whatever. i just hope i don't drop or scratch it with my coins and keys in my pocket. also the camera button is hard to press... wish there was configuration where i could use the touch sensitive keys to take a picture. and speaking of wich.. the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games

clarkdevlin said:
the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...
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I've always been of the opinion that if a phone needs a case, it's a badly designed phone.

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the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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+1
My first purchase was Need for Speed, and the number of times I've been about to complete a circut, only to nudge the 'serach' button, which kicks me out of the race and I need to start again, is a real pain in the 'a**'.
It would be great if this button could be disabled while gaming, it's just too sensative and close to where you need to hold the phone....

Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.

I see what you mean but again this was named Windows Phone 7 , not Windows Mobile 7 and Microsoft stated many times it's something new , build completely from zero.
The main problem of WP7 would be, as you pointed, the lack of choice. Honestly, I don't know how many really use copy-paste. I don't know if I barely used it 4-5 times the last couple of years but that's just me not the whole world. And I am very surprised people still use MMS.
This is also a strategy to have your product upgraded and keep interest in it just like Apple has done it in the last years.
Maybe I am over-excited for finally having something new and fresh offered and according to the constant praise and support of Steve Ballmer this platform will get more updates than we have seen on any other mobile OS so far (it is Microsoft after all) thus having the first update 2 months after the release date.
So, basically I won't go further and maybe I don't have a strong argument against what you said but what I tend to see in nowadays reviews is that most of the people don't seem to get the whole picture and analyze a new phone only by checking their personal list of must-have features (again , agreeing that most of them really are a must).

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Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
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There are definitely things that are missing, no question, but I think they've got it right for a first release. If they waited to get everything done then we'd never see the OS. It's completely different to Android, and indeed WM6.5 I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that WM6.5 will be continued alongside WP7. I like the fact that it's all simple to use (and I'm a tech head). Sure it can occasionally be irritating where I want to get into the bluetooth settings for example to configure it more closely, but ultimately I can completely understand why they've done it. All you have to do is go in and turn it on, then choose a device to pair with. It involves very few steps which was exactly the spec for this OS.
I'm sure that in time there will be options to configure things more closely, but they will be hidden away so that you have to consciously choose to go into the advanced settings. Android was real fun for a while, something different, but I actually think that it's far too techy. After a while I got bored of everything being a bit clunky and hidden behind too many menus etc... To use everyday, it's just not that usable, not when you compare it to something like WP7.
I'm really looking forward to writing some apps for WP7 as I think it provides a different challenge - to make your app consistent with the UI and make it as user-friendly as possible. I think the possibilities are massive with WP7, and as long as MS really commits to it, rolls out regular updates to keep on improving the UI - crucially without breaking what it already does - then it could be a huge hit.

Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much

kromosto said:
Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.

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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.

kromosto said:
3) That is about hardware not wp7
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS

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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.

kromosto said:
1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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You might not care about Zune Pass but for anyone who wanted an mp3 player / phone this is the biggest selling factor. In fact I'd say zune integration is the best thing WP7 has going for it right now.
I am not really defending it that much also. Look my profile and see the last thread I made. I clearly pointed several huge glaring flaws in WP7. In that same thread I said more than 4 good things about it also. Before calling someone out, look at their previous posts; especially when trying to call out their position on things .
Here is a link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835095
WP7 is missing features 6.5 had but that was a matured and dying (dead now) OS, this is a completely new start. I am not over critical of it becasue i knew going in it was a first iteration OS. And for a first iteration OS it is far better than what iOS and android were. It actually does some things far better than them right now too. It has flaws, but ignoring strength and focusing only on flaws is wrong in my opinion.
I am also confused about your position on the speed of WP7. First you say its the hardware, which android and the iphone 4 have better hardware, and then you say its the OS and that backs up the statement i originally made. The OS is optimized to be faster than both iOS and android. That is a HUGE plus for WP7. It's doing more with less, don't over look that.
Again let me repeat my statement, it does have limitations but everything it does, it does the best. More features will be added with updates.

kromosto said:
i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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LMAO
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About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.

kromosto said:
About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
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Because 6.5 and 7 are built on completely different platforms. You can not just pull features from 6.5 and put them in 7 because the programming language is different.
6.5 was good for its time, but do you know the main reason why I hear why people do not want to buy WP7 phones? All the headaches they got from 6.5 devices...
WM left a bad taste in ALOT of peoples mouths and that is still showing in WP7. Yes 6.5 might of been good for some but for most it was complete and utter crap.
Will alot of these features eventually be built into WP7 if enough people want them? I think so, but they will be built and coded to meet WP7's standards.