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Few questions before Im buying a diamond

Hello,
I realy dont know if this is the right forum to ask those questions
but I would appriciate if someone will help me
1) I couldnt understand how the contacts works. I realize there is
a special favorites section wich looks amzing. but what about
all the other contacts? Do you go back to the old and ugly WM screen?
and if so, is it finger friendly or you have to use the stylus? and if so,
are there any programs I can install so it will be finger friendly?
same for calendar sms and mails?
2) Is it realy that slow as the critics says??
thank you all and Im sorry for my bad English

My personal experience is great. Here's my thoughts regarding your questions:
1 - Yes, when you click on a contact, it does use the windows mobile contact screen..but I find it completely usable. Very finger friendly.
2 - Slow? Mine isn't slow at all, unless I have a ton of programs open. Whoever says its slow must not have ever used a Windows Mobile phone before. I haven't seen a Touch HD or Pro yet, but I believe this is the best WinMo phone currently. As far as the Diamond vs iphone vs android..they all have strengths and weaknesses.
I love my Diamond, and would recommend it to anyone. Although I would also recommend the touch HD and pro also (for people who either need a bigger device or a keyboard). For me, I wanted the Diamond for it's size, but the HD looks nice!

thank you for your answer
HD is far to big for me, altough it is amazing
Pro is far to thick for me, and i dont need the keyboard.
is there any porgram that makes a better interface to the
calendar and the contacts list? iPhone's interface much better then
the diamond's.
i am sure i have seen a program called iCotact or something like it

i'd suggest u wait for the g1.....it has a larger capacitive touchscreen, digital compass, etc.... and I'm sure someone would port WM on to G1 incase if you are worried about android being short of 3rd party apps.

thank you for your answer
but it is not answering my questions.
im preety locked about the diamond.
i do consider the iPhone insted - but it is to big.
I couldnt find cool games and apps for the diamond like there
are for the iPhone. WM programs are less designed.

okay , how about if you could have an iphone that runs on both WM & MAC ?
check this out
personally i'd suggest(again) you wait for the G1 , the android UI is almost as slick & soft as iphone's.

Try Funcontacts
http://solsie.com/2008/01/funcontacts-20-released/
Had it on my Artemis but don't 'need' it on the Diamond
I'd also recommend that you buy a second battery though as the battery life stinks on this phone. Good phone BUT ....

don't waste your money on an htc product until they stop using qualcomm chips

i would say contacts are really finger friendly, of course you could always just hit send and start typing the name/phone number and winmo will auto search it. keep in mind as well ANYTHING in winmo is customizable so of course you could get iphone like contacts (just google a theme).
battery is crap- but you can get extended batteries (including an official one) or just keep a car charger/spare around . phone itself varies in speed depending on the software, the original release software that the phone came with when it was reviewed by everyone was PAINFULLY slow. later updates (especially the 1.83 WWE roms) are MUCH better, and of course cooked roms might improve battery a bit.
its hard not to love the phone, its one of the best looking out there, REALLY nice feel/form factor and just packed with EVERYTHING. Best Phone thus far In my opinion
personally the way i look at it is
- You buy an iPhone if you like apple and have a mac computer/ you don't know any better/ your going to buy an ipod anyway
- You buy a Blackberry because its linux- it will never die/crash but it doesn't look good and its not meant for media (exception being the Bold)
- You buy windows mobile because its windows, it has its flaws,shortcomings and glitches, but it does ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING and its customizable

POLL: Would you buy X2 knowing the CPU is the same?!

I'm not!!!!
Specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-2926.php
It does look very sexy though http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-3d-spin-2926.php

dude there is a neverending thread about this already
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555651

spikegotti said:
dude there is a neverending thread about this already
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555651
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i tried searching for one but it doesn't let me search for less than 3 characters or whatever ("X2").... not my fault
on second thought the vids i'm seeing on youtube show it's rather fast but i'm still not convinced by prototypes.....

Not unless they pay me for taking it and after that I'm going to sell it and buy a real modern device from a company that doesn't piss on its customers.

i wouldnt buy it even if the CPU was faster

comeradealexi said:
i wouldnt buy it even if the CPU was faster
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That crossed my mind as well haha.

orelsi said:
That crossed my mind as well haha.
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lol... said by a man who praises x1 over everything else. what an epic fail...

Unless it was cheaper, I cannot justify another $650 (family center discount) for much of the same.

if X2 2nd hand price for next 6 month is $300, i'll buy it . im still in love with my X1 now
vietdoan20062006

They need improvements on not only the CPU, but also the screen (AMOLED and larger).

What a retarded topic - like if it makes any difference if the CPU is faster (it's plenty fast enough already) or if some exotic display tech could only solve the problem of being resistive (AMOLED and similarly clueless idiocies)...
...it is Windows Mobile, dumbos, THAT IS THE PROBLEM, period.
It is not slow nor badly "coded" (like if SE or HTC has much to do with WM's root timing & kernel issues), it is simply Windows Mobile ergo it SUCKS.
Better than iCrap because it has multitasking and probably still has more apps (But who cares?) but worse in almost anything else.
Better than Android in hardware etc support and has more apps but worse in anything else.
Any other way it SUCKS compared to anyone else.
Yes, that's all.

szlevi said:
What a retarded topic - like if it makes any difference if the CPU is faster (it's plenty fast enough already) or if some exotic display tech could only solve the problem of being resistive (AMOLED and similarly clueless idiocies)...
...it is Windows Mobile, dumbos, THAT IS THE PROBLEM, period.
It is not slow nor badly "coded" (like if SE or HTC has much to do with WM's root timing & kernel issues), it is simply Windows Mobile ergo it SUCKS.
Better than iCrap because it has multitasking and probably still has more apps (But who cares?) but worse in almost anything else.
Better than Android in hardware etc support and has more apps but worse in anything else.
Any other way it SUCKS compared to anyone else.
Yes, that's all.
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Excuse me? Better go get some brains before you make a joke of yourself on the Internetz.
1 - Having a better and faster CPU is the sole gole of both the manufacturers and the consumers. Are you kidding me? Faster CPU means, faster gameplay, movies. UI, multitasking and more. You just made the most ignorant claim in the history of the world.
The CPU is not fast enough and it is not the fault of the OS. You can tweak things only so far, after that, you need a faster CPU to take the load off.
2 - Lol wut? What has one to do with the other. AMOLED is good, because of the vivid colours and brightness.
FYI resistive is FAR, FAR superior to capacitive and if you didn't know that, you shouldn't post, only read, oh clueless one...
3 - Just because you can't handle the complexity of a certain OS, doesn't mean that the OS sucks. It mean thaat you don't have the skills and knowledge to appreciate it. WinMo is the most versatile, customizable and productive OS out there. Oh yeah, adding a "period" after your sentence doesn't magically turn it into the word of God...
Now GTFO and take your ignorance with you.

fight! fight!!!

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They need improvements on not only the CPU, but also the screen (AMOLED and larger).
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Absolutely. Even with a faster CPU it is still ugly as hell and the screen is not big enough. There are many other thing not to like as well. I wouldn't buy even if it had a faster CPU.

orelsi said:
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3 - Just because you can't handle the complexity of a certain OS, doesn't mean that the OS sucks. It mean thaat you don't have the skills and knowledge to appreciate it. WinMo is the most versatile, customizable and productive OS out there. Oh yeah, adding a "period" after your sentence doesn't magically turn it into the word of God...
Now GTFO and take your ignorance with you.
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This one I have to agree!

i agree but i wont say customizable, the symbian platform is way more customizable than wm, everything on my P1 was changed, and i mean everything, and much easier to do so than on wm, but the symbian OS including the UIQ felt as though something was missing, apart from wm which is practically the same thing as windows on a comp except that its on a mobile device.
iphone os x is just as productive as wm now bcos of the developers who spend their time, you have to admit it, the iphone now is surpassing wm if it haven't, it seems as tho the wm developers have abandoned the wm platform...
i have emailed many developers about updating their apps and games for the wvga resolution and their response was nothing but bad news...
i agree this topic is useless only bcos of when it was published, why now when 6.5 is on the horizon???? ....shouldn't this be relevant when all we knew about was 6.1 which has the windows 98 appearance?
wm 6.5 in the latest builds is just as sexy as the iphone and android's gui, and the good part is that it seems to be more customizable than the two.

I wont buy X2 even they integrate 2Ghz CPU inside. There are no major improvements, i noticed only better camera and WM6.5 which you already can install to X1. Im happy with X1 now. IF i would buy new phone i would wait for something like HTC leo with QWERTY(TouchPro3 ?).
Does X2 even have G-sensor?

spikegotti said:
i agree but i wont say customizable, the symbian platform is way more customizable than wm, everything on my P1 was changed, and i mean everything, and much easier to do so than on wm, but the symbian OS including the UIQ felt as though something was missing, apart from wm which is practically the same thing as windows on a comp except that its on a mobile device........
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I agree about most of those things. Symbian is still my second favourite OS, but I wouldn't put it on par with WinMo. It is a smartphone platform not a ppc one.
iPhail = CRAP.
matejdro said:
IF i would buy new phone i would wait for something like HTC leo with QWERTY(TouchPro3 ?).
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Oh yeah .

doministry said:
This one I have to agree!
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Yes I agree too. All Microsoft really has to do is make the buttons look larger and make the skin more modern (that is what they are doing on 6.5, but I'd rather have the 6.1 start menu as an option - at least newer builds make the 6.5 more easily customizable).

poetryrocksalot said:
Yes I agree too. All Microsoft really has to do is make the buttons look larger and make the skin more modern (that is what they are doing on 6.5, but I'd rather have the 6.1 start menu as an option - at least newer builds make the 6.5 more easily customizable).
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Agreed about the start menu.
Some things in 6.5 look weird or ugly to me, but as a whole I'm looking forward to it.
Anyway, I was thinking about getting a second device with another OS, just to try something else. I'll stick to WinMo for the next several years for sure, but maybe an Android or a Maemo device won't hurt anyone .

all You UK disappointed X1 users... an alternative - N900. maemo phone.

http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/n443/p26078.aspx
well... mr Gates. Gentlemen from SE. time to leave. bye bye..
oh... btw, if You don't know this device yet:
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

according to the engadget show, its a poor device and there is a problem when the touchscreen does not work half the time with the gestures.

well... what do You understand under "poor device"? have You checked the specs for it? have You seen latest videos? (not early prototype) well... iphone 3gs cpu/gpu (600mhz a8 cortex), sliding qwerty, wvga, resistive touch screen, 1gb ram (256+768 virtual), 32gb storage+micro sdhc slot, 5mp camera recording 800x480 videos (25 fps), agps, digital compass, accelerometer, maemo linux system, tv out, irda, bt, wifi, 3g...
well...?
[edit] silly me... I forgot to add- 3.5 audio jack, fm TRANSMITTER, stereo loud speakers, and maybe some more that I don't remember... how cool is that??
[edit2] http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/01/video-nokia-n900-put-through-its-paces-in-italian/ if that's not responsive/fast then I don't know what is...

Nokia are good phones but only on the paper. "It doesnt do what it says on the tin". It never does (remember my 9210i communicator, my last Nokia device)
If you want a phone to be ready out from the box (which, in my opinion, is boring), this kind of stuff is for you. Recently had my friends 5800XM for couple of days..Nightmare!! (try to use calculator in landscape mode ) I have no idea why people love this phone. Good music player??? Maybe..
Nokia dont do "tailored to requirements" phones, they put all things into one device and wait for the customers that dont know how to use it...

i think wm 6.5 will change the way people see wm, i mean the 6.1 and older gui is a real turn off and now the new gui in wm 6.5 is nice, the only one thing 6.5 is missing is a transitional animated interface...the default animation slows the device when activated and its not even pleasant to see
depends on if wm brings more eye candy then i will stay, well thats if apple doesn't release an iphone with a higher resolution and a qwerty keyboard
there is no doubt about it, wm is the most powerful os, its just the current gui makes you feel as tho you are using a pc with windows 98...ironic to see that wm 6.1 still wears the windows 98 look and soo many OS were born that looks great, especially their icons...speaking of icons, i dont get it as to why most of wm icons have that rugged edge look and not smooth edges, M$ really needs to get their act together...i hate to see some of the icons in wm bcos of their ugly look, most look like 8 bit icons

hm... well it's a good point, but I think I've seen enough. I'll leave x1 in the drawer, just in case, and I'll try this whole maemo with widgets. on one hand it is a good thing that You can modify winmo so much, but on the other most of the time spent with the device is wasted with efforts to change the way it looks and works, because it sucks out of the box. saying that, guess what...? I've tried many roms with all funky interfaces just to realise stock rom is most stable and fast (tweaked ofcourse) and the only thing for me was to install spb ms3 to make it look better. I really hate new wm 6.5 looks and titanium is just terrible imho.
what I like in n900 is that interface looks great ootb, strong cpu and gpu gives it a good kick and this damn thing just works. x2 is a major fail comparing to this sweet device. just wait few months... You'll see how is it going to conquer the market.

the specs are good but if u watch the engadget show that they put up a few days ago u will see that they did not like it and that he was doing gestures in front on a live show and it was not working. in the end they have used the device, we have not so i suggest u take there advice. nokia as a company is crumbling and they very rarely make a good phone, even though there is always lots of hype around them. think the n97, there flagship device.

bronx said:
well... what do You understand under "poor device"? have You checked the specs for it? have You seen latest videos? (not early prototype) well... iphone 3gs cpu/gpu (600mhz a8 cortex), sliding qwerty, wvga, resistive touch screen, 1gb ram (256+768 virtual), 32gb storage+micro sdhc slot, 5mp camera recording 800x480 videos (25 fps), agps, digital compass, accelerometer, maemo linux system, tv out, irda, bt, wifi, 3g...
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The new HTC Leo does this and the cpu is 1GHz. the RAM of the nokia is 768mb virtual RAM? 5MP cam?? thats so 2009! FM transmitter is the only new 'gadget' on that. Oh 32GB sdhc cards will be out soon so that wouldnt be a seling point for me.
Didnt you know you cant big up Nokias on a HTC fanboy forum!

lol... ok guys. I'll better stfu now I guess I am the only one sooo in to something new.
leo? well... snapdragon doesn't convince me a lot. less than a8 cortex with powervr combo. the other thing is that leo doesn't have qwerty keys, so a deal breaker for me... I am trying to find a good alternative for winmo as well.
oh well... let's wait for official reviews, then I shall decide finally.

Sounds nice, but then again the X1 sounded nice and look where that go us. Also its Nokia, and Nokia dont do nice interface, Nokia interface is always ugly and not very appealing. This would have been amazing if it were samsung or LG or SE

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the other thing is that leo doesn't have qwerty keys, so a deal breaker for me
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If you had asked me 12 months ago I would also have said the qwerty keyboard was a deal breaker. And a qwerty keyboard is the tits, but for me, id rather have the big screen as im watchin a lot of tv at the mo

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most of the time spent with the device is wasted with efforts to change the way it looks and works, because it sucks out of the box. saying that, guess what...? I've tried many roms with all funky interfaces just to realise stock rom is most stable and fast (tweaked ofcourse) and the only thing for me was to install spb ms3 to make it look better.
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Yes, sad but very true.
Just wait for the Touch Pro3 and SPB MS4. How's that sound?

well ... you forgot to mention smth when you listed the cool features
weight 181 g
hmm and it doesnt seem to have any physical control key ...
design: like a brick ... my opinion ...
and i dont have experiences with this OS
in my opinion omnia pro and x2 are the best at the mom.... for the business and also multimedia guy.

well... You have arrow keys on hard keys, also the way it looks is more... hm... cool? at least less gay than tp2 imho. I am fed up with all those round shapes and chrome finishes.
anyway... I'll get it and if it's gonna suck, I'll give it back or it will land on ebay. ... but something tells me, that it is going to be a first wide popular maemo device. it's like icrap 3gs with **** loads of hardware added and complex, linux based system on board. I am almost convinced.... 97%

Too brickish, I'll stick to my X1 for now. An upgrade for me would be with same form factor, bigger screen, lighter, thinner and faster.

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well... You have arrow keys on hard keys, also the way it looks is more... hm... cool? at least less gay than tp2 imho. I am fed up with all those round shapes and chrome finishes.
anyway... I'll get it and if it's gonna suck, I'll give it back or it will land on ebay. ... but something tells me, that it is going to be a first wide popular maemo device. it's like icrap 3gs with **** loads of hardware added and complex, linux based system on board. I am almost convinced.... 97%
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Totally agreed,,, the design of this phone looks as crap as all nokia phone are & I bet the UI will be as UGLY, as annoying & as un-friendly as nokia have always been making... With good specs a phone should look fantastic as well like X1, TD2, TPro etc (not like this thick-brick)... No offence to Bronx or any one...
Edit: I should mention an edge that it has over X1 & TD2 etc... if you have a problem or fight occassionally THIS CAN BE USED AS A heavy WEAPON...

you know what they say: a pint and a fight - perfect British night. ok, maybe it looks more plastic than x1, but more likely it's gonna be build bit better than ever cracking xperia.
look people - I am not trying to convince anyone. I just want to point out another alternative to SE, HTC, WM, iPhone... all those companies have failed to provide solid product, so it is time for me to try something else. I loved my n70, I loved my n95 8gb. now I dare to say f... WM. I'll roam in here from time to time, as x1 stays with me, but in october I am trying something new, because of SE assholes. come on... after all this crap with x1 they should give us more support to wash that bad taste they left.
x1 is quite good device, but I won't forgive them cracks, ****ty video playback and lack of further software support.
[EDIT] btw - n900 110.9 × 59.8 × 18 (19.55 at thickest part) mm, xperia x1 110.5 x 52.6 x 17 mm - well? just a bit wider and a tad thicker. looks neat and tidy no matter what You guys say

10123 said:
Sounds nice, but then again the X1 sounded nice and look where that go us. Also its Nokia, and Nokia dont do nice interface, Nokia interface is always ugly and not very appealing. This would have been amazing if it were samsung or LG or SE
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samsung or LG or SE ??????????
Dude samsung has only crappy phones ( yes good fast hardware but they miss buttons.. ok omnia qerty might be interesting .. )
LG is worst.. ( after i saw lg arena.. lol )
Perhaps n900 will get uber perhaps nokia ****s up

yeah... we shall see.

i would have bought this about a year ago to replace my n770.
i was interested in it till i saw the specs..... but the biggest turn off for me is the cpu, ram and no portrait mode.
maybe i could live with the cpu if the ram was much larger, i could care less about the virtual ram but it would have been a nice supplement to a larger ram anyways.
i could also live with the no portrait mode because i know the maemo group has some pretty good developers but why wait when it should have came out that way from the factory.
for me, phone is a year too late and ill stick to the x1 for now because no other phone is worth the upgrade right now

GIVE US ANDROID!!! pretty please????

Please Mr.Developer type genius people,
Us Touch Pro 2 users are desperate like you can only imagine to get Android on our phones so PLEASE apply your humungous brain power to the task and earn yourself a fortune as we are WILLING to pay vast sums of cash and there seems to be a lot of us so make some money instead of keep putting out 6.5 after 6.5 of which HTC are doing it anyway next month.
We're begging you!!!

It's a good idea, but given the task of writing drivers, api, and interfacing with the hardware, it might be a task that is just too tall. Keep in mind that most of that info (proprietary hardware info) isn't readily accessible, anyway. It would be nice, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

I would love android on this phone as much as the next guy....
But what he said..
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It's a good idea, but given the task of writing drivers, api, and interfacing with the hardware, it might be a task that is just too tall. Keep in mind that most of that info (proprietary hardware info) isn't readily accessible, anyway. It would be nice, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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I don't like android, and would perfer these guys to concentrate on making the best possible Winmo Rom's they can...
Htc has a devices on that run Android, equal to or better then the tp2

i don want to buy Hero just to try the android
if it is already running on other htc deives so why they cant make it in the TP2
It's a good idea, but given the task of writing drivers, api, and interfacing with the hardware, it might be a task that is just too tall. Keep in mind that most of that info (proprietary hardware info) isn't readily accessible, anyway. It would be nice, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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I've had an iPhone, a G1, and now a TP2.
Android cannot come CLOSE to the functionality of a Windows Mobile Phone. Before this TP2, I had a rooted G1. In order for you to do anything of value on the phone, you had to root it. That immediately puts you in jeopardy of bricking the phone and voiding the 1 year warranty.
It has some nice features but until Oct 10th with the Flash update, it is SEVERELY limited. Video playback is limited to general mobile playback formats because there's not too many video players. On WinMo, you can use CorePlayer to pretty much play whatever you want.
Android, while open-sourced, out of the box is pretty limited. Hero has a nice UI but the quality of the phones and the out of the box limitations make it more like the iPhone. Even after adding custom roms, the interface doesn't drastically change. It still has the same type of structure...just expanded with crisper graphics and fancier widgets. However, with those additional improvements, the operating system suffers because the phones don't really have sufficient enough memory to push the OS which ends up killing your battery and leaves you with sluggish performance.
Trust me when I say, you're not missing anything big. I was reluctant to give up my rooted phone with tons of apps and a custom rom...but even that phone with its extended battery can't stand up to the OUT OF THE BOX capabilities of a Windows Mobile device.
If you want something like the iPhone...I can understand it but be prepared to be pissed off and disappointed.

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Let me put it to you real plain.
Android cannot come CLOSE to the functionality of a Windows Mobile Phone. Before this TP2, I had a rooted G1. In order for you to do anything of value on the phone, you had to root it. That immediately puts you in jeopardy of bricking the phone and voiding the 1 year warranty.
It has some nice features but until Oct 10th with the Flash update, it is SEVERELY limited. Video playback is limited to general mobile playback modes because there's not too many video players. On WinMo, you can use CorePlayer to pretty much play whatever you want.
Android, while open-sourced, out of the box is pretty limited. Hero has a nice UI but the quality of the phones and the out of the box limitations make it more like the iPhone.
Trust me when I say, you're not missing anything big. I was reluctant to give up my rooted phone with tons of apps and a custom rom...but even that phone with its extended battery can't stand up to the OUT OF THE BOX capabilities of a Windows Mobile device.
If you want something like the iPhone...I can understand it but be prepared to be pissed off and disappointed.
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I completely agree..
I have used my friends G1, and his MyTouch. The only reason I say I would like to have a port for the TP2 is because of the posibilities for that platform down the road. I wouldn't trade my TP2 for a MyTouch ever, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to mess around with Android on my TP2 for a few days.
I just wish WM7 would get here already!!

As far is i know Android doesn't support (W)VGA yet. Only QVGA and HVGA, so what's the use. I prefer WM over Android anyway.

goalweiser said:
I've had an iPhone, a G1, and now a TP2.
Android cannot come CLOSE to the functionality of a Windows Mobile Phone. Before this TP2, I had a rooted G1. In order for you to do anything of value on the phone, you had to root it. That immediately puts you in jeopardy of bricking the phone and voiding the 1 year warranty.
It has some nice features but until Oct 10th with the Flash update, it is SEVERELY limited. Video playback is limited to general mobile playback formats because there's not too many video players. On WinMo, you can use CorePlayer to pretty much play whatever you want.
Android, while open-sourced, out of the box is pretty limited. Hero has a nice UI but the quality of the phones and the out of the box limitations make it more like the iPhone. Even after adding custom roms, the interface doesn't drastically change. It still has the same type of structure...just expanded with crisper graphics and fancier widgets. However, with those additional improvements, the operating system suffers because the phones don't really have sufficient enough memory to push the OS which ends up killing your battery and leaves you with sluggish performance.
Trust me when I say, you're not missing anything big. I was reluctant to give up my rooted phone with tons of apps and a custom rom...but even that phone with its extended battery can't stand up to the OUT OF THE BOX capabilities of a Windows Mobile device.
If you want something like the iPhone...I can understand it but be prepared to be pissed off and disappointed.
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True True!! the rest are just accessories the WinMo Device is the Main Attraction in my book...

I rather like WM. Android would be OK but I think I'd rather stay WM on my tp2.

sepponearth said:
I rather like WM. Android would be OK but I think I'd rather stay WM on my tp2.
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Plus, once the WM Market Place opens on Oct 6th (?), it will really even the playing field. If only WM had the "multiple desktop screens" like Android, there wouldn't be *that* much difference.

I got a call from Vodafone that they could offer me the Hero with all the nice bonusses of discount and all.
Still I chose to drop my vodafone provider for another more expensive provider to get the HTC TP2.
Why,....because it has windows mobile on it and it supports most applications I'm using.
So for me, the entire android might as wel dissapear from the face of the earth.
I do like the effort from google to create a new operating system for phone and eventually for desktop, but even though I complain a lot about windows, I still favour it.
This has primarily something to do with the customizability of windows and the applications that are being sold for it.
one of my favourites for example is MLO http://www.mylifeorganized.net/
I have not seen a program like this for Android.

I would love Android running on the TP2 but as time has gone on I realized WM has its merits and that having both is great. My TP2 is amazing for its tv-out and large high resolution screen and what I feel is the best qwerty keyboard out there. My g1 is great for the game emulators and its web browser and that capacitive screen. Honestly if someone said your going to a desert island and asked which I would take I would go TP2 no doubt. Plus the true benefit of android is its market(and its open source i guess) which WM is getting soon. So ya I would fork out some money if it meant getting it to work but I think after the market gets going the desire to see it will fade.

A few days with my HD7

Just a mini review of my HD7 after 4 days use. Coming from an HD2 (with 6.5.5 & Android) and having had mobiles since the classic was the only phone on Cellnet you could get I've used most!
However the HD7 being a first version has it's issues. A couple I have noticed are just stupid - others annoying.
I won't go over how it looks or the tiles or anything like that; this is just my experience of the device as a "phone".
Call quality seems ok - but the moment you get a border line signal you're stuffed. Incoming call audio is fine they just cannot hear you at all. Nothing Nada! You need to get a bar on the signal meter or you've no hope of being heard. My 5800 & HD2 both hang on to a cell signal much longer than the HD7 does.
Phone book is nice however it has a trend to dial the last person called rather than the entry you want - especially if you've gone from call history to the phone book - I don't know how many times I phoned my mum recently (but I am sorry for being a phone pest!!). Again this seems to be a version 1 issues.
But my biggest two grips are that how do you save an email attachment? We've all got things on our phones we want to transfer - Nokia do a lovely app to BT all your old goodies to your new phone - please other phone people take note!
So emailed myself the file(s) I needed - they appear in the email - but no way to save them - I can open the media - just not save it! Great. No "right" finger or "hold" finger menu in email application.
OK then - lets BT the files over ... turn BT on - let's pair with the HD2 and get some files from it. Nope cannot pair with the HD2 in Android or WM6 - says "paired" but unable to connect. Fine. Let's try another way with BT push - nope - paired cannot connect... Bleeeeewwwhhh.
So there does not seem to be anyway to get something from someone on the move sent to your phone. Cannot save attachments and cannot pair with other phones to BT files. Maybe a v1 issue again?
Not too sure on the HD7 at the moment - the wow is nice and yes the interface seems to be working as expected. However loose a data connection and you cannot open the people hub until you restart the device for some odd reason after loading Facebook contacts, and worst still "Lists" no longer works and gives a message about a DLL missing. Great, cannot find a way to un-install it or re-install it. The only menu option is "share" which does not help much really.
I am going to see if there is anything on line about the issues it seems to have. But so far - yes good phone - but WP7 needs some work. Maybe a quick update is needed here Microsoft? HTC seem to have done well getting the units out - not sure if anyone else is seeing similar?
Oh and I would really like a some menus to give some more control over the phone! You criticise WM6.5 for not being very finger friendly - but at least you have some options to change! Where are they hidden in 7 LOL!
So far hardware 10/10 but OS? 2 maybe 3 /10.
Oh and HTC you're being bloody cheap not sending out your top of the range phone with out a sleeve to keep it in, the HD2 has a lovely sleeve and that has saved it many a time - the HD7 I had to spend another £15.00 ($20) on a bumper to keep it safe as no one has the sleeves yet!
So far my HD2 is with me the HD7 is at home - not sure yet if I can rely on it 24/7 as my primary phone.
I would not go as far as to say it is poor - WP7 that is - but I am for one not impressed considering that people must have tried at least once to BT each other something?

You are missing the point of this phone. While I agree on some of your good points (but few) this is supposed to be the Zune phone , the equivalent of the iPhone, basically an eye-candy multimedia-device which should also do basic comunication in a fast and easy way. I also came a long way over the years playing with Symbian & WM 5-6.5 and I loved all the tweeking and extra customization you had BUT to be honest I got bored with it.
As years passed I saw mobile phones becoming the substituent of the PC but also a substiuent of its problems.Just look at the past 2-3 years. Now we have discussions about freckin RAM and GHz when the whole point of the phone was JUST to run smooth and work fine ,not to mention the fact that battery development has been left with the same batteries from 2006 or so.
Basically it just got stucked.I was freckin tired of walking in a mobile shop and seing a bunch of touchscreen with a zillion icons as wallpaper.
Where was the excitement of actually buying a phone for having something new?
That was the main reason since I never bought a touchscreen phone and I have sticked with my (g)old E71 for the time being.
Android is IMO a laggy joke. Yes , it's still lagy and that is why I didn't buy a high-end smartphone untill now , the HD7.
I don't want to pay 400 euros for a laggy interface.
It's been 3 years already since the iPhone and it has still been the fastest OS with no lag until WP7.
Why my view may be a little off-topic I think this was the main idea of the WP7.Getting ridd of those "Really?!" moments.
I want a phone in 2010 which runs fast,smoooth and adds the basic customization(it's where WP7 currently lacks but it's not terrible).
For I-can't-find-my-sfnag.dll-complaiment people should buy/use their laptops
I hope WP7 rises as remembers this "high-end competition" what the purpose of a (multimedia) phone really is

I think yly3 has a point - one of the main features of WM7 (for better or worse) was the increased reliance on cloud storage. Maybe this was why most of the phones we're seeing are only 8Gb.
I think anyone coming from WM6.5 expecting WP7 to be an incremental upgrade, including existing functionality is likely to be disappointed.
What I foresee is mainly 3rd party apps making use of an opened up Bluetooth stack to gain access to your skydrive as if it were local storage. Similarly, having the option to save email attachments to your skydrive would be neat (I believe .docs can be saved)
For me, this is either genius, or a disaster - if you're away from a signal, your files are inaccessible, which is frustrating. That said, I'm rarely away from a signal these days, so maybe it's a non-issue.
Time will tell.

I have been using my HD7 for 2 weeks now, I love it and hate it at the same time. I love it for its smooth, flawless and simple user interface, but hate cause its just too simple... I know and expected that this was a locked up phone before I bought it but.. even some basic functions that I was used to doing on my HD2 was missing. Functions like sending files thru BT from my phone to any BT device. Even some basic configuration like adjusting the volume of the ringer is not clear on configuration page. its just a toggle on/off and not to mention that i can't use custom ringtones? I loved using custom mp3 for ringtones.. cause in a crowded place.. I would now that my phone was the one ringing. And just like steve said...the phone didn't come with a nice leather pouch to keep it safe, for a pricy phone like this. I just wish they would improve wp7 much sooner so I could enjoy using this phone more and get my money's worth.

The first update is due early 2011, so don't get your hopes up for ANY updates untill then. Rumours are that Copy/paste, BT, & Camera are all big factors in the first update.
I can't really complain after a solid 3 weeks of owning the phone. Yes there are a few niggles, but it's MUCH better than Iphones OS v1 was. So looking good imo.
Also all the comments i've seen on this thread appear to be on WP7, not the HD7 itself. Slightly confusing by the Thread title.

well thats good news i don't mind the wait.. but i hope they do fix it with the update... but those are for WP7. the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...it will take time here before i could buy a protective sleeve or rubber whatever. i just hope i don't drop or scratch it with my coins and keys in my pocket. also the camera button is hard to press... wish there was configuration where i could use the touch sensitive keys to take a picture. and speaking of wich.. the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games

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the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...
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I've always been of the opinion that if a phone needs a case, it's a badly designed phone.

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the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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My first purchase was Need for Speed, and the number of times I've been about to complete a circut, only to nudge the 'serach' button, which kicks me out of the race and I need to start again, is a real pain in the 'a**'.
It would be great if this button could be disabled while gaming, it's just too sensative and close to where you need to hold the phone....

Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.

I see what you mean but again this was named Windows Phone 7 , not Windows Mobile 7 and Microsoft stated many times it's something new , build completely from zero.
The main problem of WP7 would be, as you pointed, the lack of choice. Honestly, I don't know how many really use copy-paste. I don't know if I barely used it 4-5 times the last couple of years but that's just me not the whole world. And I am very surprised people still use MMS.
This is also a strategy to have your product upgraded and keep interest in it just like Apple has done it in the last years.
Maybe I am over-excited for finally having something new and fresh offered and according to the constant praise and support of Steve Ballmer this platform will get more updates than we have seen on any other mobile OS so far (it is Microsoft after all) thus having the first update 2 months after the release date.
So, basically I won't go further and maybe I don't have a strong argument against what you said but what I tend to see in nowadays reviews is that most of the people don't seem to get the whole picture and analyze a new phone only by checking their personal list of must-have features (again , agreeing that most of them really are a must).

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Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
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There are definitely things that are missing, no question, but I think they've got it right for a first release. If they waited to get everything done then we'd never see the OS. It's completely different to Android, and indeed WM6.5 I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that WM6.5 will be continued alongside WP7. I like the fact that it's all simple to use (and I'm a tech head). Sure it can occasionally be irritating where I want to get into the bluetooth settings for example to configure it more closely, but ultimately I can completely understand why they've done it. All you have to do is go in and turn it on, then choose a device to pair with. It involves very few steps which was exactly the spec for this OS.
I'm sure that in time there will be options to configure things more closely, but they will be hidden away so that you have to consciously choose to go into the advanced settings. Android was real fun for a while, something different, but I actually think that it's far too techy. After a while I got bored of everything being a bit clunky and hidden behind too many menus etc... To use everyday, it's just not that usable, not when you compare it to something like WP7.
I'm really looking forward to writing some apps for WP7 as I think it provides a different challenge - to make your app consistent with the UI and make it as user-friendly as possible. I think the possibilities are massive with WP7, and as long as MS really commits to it, rolls out regular updates to keep on improving the UI - crucially without breaking what it already does - then it could be a huge hit.

Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much

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Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.

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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.

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3) That is about hardware not wp7
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS

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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.

kromosto said:
1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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You might not care about Zune Pass but for anyone who wanted an mp3 player / phone this is the biggest selling factor. In fact I'd say zune integration is the best thing WP7 has going for it right now.
I am not really defending it that much also. Look my profile and see the last thread I made. I clearly pointed several huge glaring flaws in WP7. In that same thread I said more than 4 good things about it also. Before calling someone out, look at their previous posts; especially when trying to call out their position on things .
Here is a link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835095
WP7 is missing features 6.5 had but that was a matured and dying (dead now) OS, this is a completely new start. I am not over critical of it becasue i knew going in it was a first iteration OS. And for a first iteration OS it is far better than what iOS and android were. It actually does some things far better than them right now too. It has flaws, but ignoring strength and focusing only on flaws is wrong in my opinion.
I am also confused about your position on the speed of WP7. First you say its the hardware, which android and the iphone 4 have better hardware, and then you say its the OS and that backs up the statement i originally made. The OS is optimized to be faster than both iOS and android. That is a HUGE plus for WP7. It's doing more with less, don't over look that.
Again let me repeat my statement, it does have limitations but everything it does, it does the best. More features will be added with updates.

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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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LMAO
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About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.

kromosto said:
About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
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Because 6.5 and 7 are built on completely different platforms. You can not just pull features from 6.5 and put them in 7 because the programming language is different.
6.5 was good for its time, but do you know the main reason why I hear why people do not want to buy WP7 phones? All the headaches they got from 6.5 devices...
WM left a bad taste in ALOT of peoples mouths and that is still showing in WP7. Yes 6.5 might of been good for some but for most it was complete and utter crap.
Will alot of these features eventually be built into WP7 if enough people want them? I think so, but they will be built and coded to meet WP7's standards.