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iPhone Craze.... Not here

I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
When directly compare WM phones and iPhone (let's leave Linux, Symbian, Palm and Blackberry out of this for now), the majority of serious Smart Phone/ PDA Phone users out there would say WM is better, can do more. So, what is the idea of making WM phones look and act like iPhone. Don't get me wrong, All the developers in this forum making software such as Slide2Unlock and iContact are great, they have proved the superiority of WM phone.
I like my WM phone, it is great. And, I will never make it looks like iPhone. For you people want to make your WM looks like iPhone, why don't you just go get an iPhone and stop make people say WM phone is poor men's alternative to iPhone. I'd say iPhone is the dumb people's alternative to WM phone.

That is very true. the iphone is the dumb people phone, but it is still a very very neat phone. I will eventually end up getting one just because of the wow and neat factor. One thing also is that it is good that apple released a phone like this because now a benchmark is set and i know over time htc will exceed that mark with great products. I love my pocket pc's and will not give it up for an iphone. But we must also admit that it is a neat phone to mess around with.

CameoTabby said:
I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
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You are absolutly right. I don't understand them too, and i love my Windows Mobile phone and my usefull today screen. Its funny to read that, because yesterday i wrote an blog-entry about that ;-)

I tend to agree. Apple have got great marketing though - You cannot deny them that. It's shiny, got whistles and bells and i-tunes. Of course people are going to buy it.
I'll stick with my wm device though. Sure I have to overclock the little sucker to get it to operate at a reasonable pace, but I can do with it as I please. I've learnt a lot about my device, software, registry etc . . . How are you gonna get that experience from an i_phone?? (it depends what you want out of a phone i suppose)
I think it may well be like the first time I got my hands on a N95. I was going to get one. . . . then ten minutes later the novelty had worn off (and the battery was pretty worn out too and I resigned myself to the fact that I like my wm5.
I think the i_phone craze is here for now, but a few months after launch here (and Europe) and the honeymoon period will be over and it will just be the latest phone, only to be shortly superceded by the 'next big thing'.
Respect to the people making some of the apps that appear on the i_phone OS and sorting them for wm use. That gives our community even more potential for their devices. Without the developers our wm devices would be no better than all the other phones out there.
i_phone, love it or hate it, you can't deny it's going to eclipse all other mobile releases for some time.
(I think I am going to go and dig out my old 5110, that'll show them in the office tomorrow!)
Rant over.

I disagree.
It's not for many people a matter of good or bad design, it's a competition.
How perfect can we simulate iPhone-Apps, how perfect can we design the UI.
That are the interesting things for many of us.
The same story as Windows Vista arrived. How many of us had before "green gras" as TodayScreen, because it's so beautiful?
No, it's a battle of ideas, a competition. For many users...

which is more towards status symbol
iphone or Jasjam?

CameoTabby said:
I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
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Because we all know that WM phones are FAR superior in terms of tech specs and features to the iphone, but are inferior in terms of an interface/eye candy.
So we want the best of both worlds. An iPhone interface on a powerful WM phone.
Is that really such a bad thing?

"iphone or Jasjam?"
dont think status symbols are that general
i mean if you ask really rich people
something like this
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2007/06/gold_and_diamon.html
would be a status symbol
if you ask a evil genius a vulcano island with henchmen in stick spandex uniforms maybe more soo
if pda nut Jasjam
if your a fasion statement phone user maybe iphone..

There's only one reason iPhone is so popular: marketing. iPhone even has been an item on the the 8o clock news on television (netherlands). Was HTC's P3300 on the news? NO, but it can do 10x more things than the iphone can! It has GPS, word, push email etc. etc.
Publicity makes publicity: the iphone is so populair because it is so populair. In short: this is a hype. Just like the iPod is a hype. Before there was the iPod, there were dozens of MP3 players who could all the things the iPod could do years later. Many people THINK the iPod is something special and can do things no other device can do: for example, the term 'Podcasting'. The 'Pod' suggests it can only can be done on a iPod, so n00bs buy a iPod to play podcasts.
It's just marketing that does the trick, the more people talk about it, the more people want it.
Nonetheless, the iPhone looks very good. The build quality is very good and the device is easy to understand. And important: its stable. WM5 isn't very stable and difficult to operate. My sister who's 23 isn't able to use my phone, too complicated she says wm5 is for (semi)nerds

thanks Rudegar
nice website

NxJay said:
Because we all know that WM phones are FAR superior in terms of tech specs and features to the iphone, but are inferior in terms of an interface/eye candy.
So we want the best of both worlds. An iPhone interface on a powerful WM phone.
Is that really such a bad thing?
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iPhone interface is not superior at all. There are tons launcher apps, today plug-ins for WM out there that can do much better, and many of them are freewares. What I don't get is that most people putting iPhone look alike interface on their WM phones for a simple reason: making other think they have iPhones. I really feel sorry for those people.
I always think WM phones users are intelligent people, but many among us are doing dumb thing to degrade oneself.
Yesterday was a very good day for me. A couple co-workers were showing off their brand new iPhones. After making comparisons to my 8-month-old WM phone. They became the joke of the office and one actually returned the iPhone back and placed an order for a WM phone.

The fun thing is that the only way your average WM device has better specs than the iPhone is that many of them support 3G now.
The iPhone has a 614MHz processor and some serious video horsepower as well. The limitations of the iPhone lie almost wholly in the virtual keyboard and the 3rd-party dev lockout -- both of which are artifacts of software.

CameoTabby said:
I don't get it. Why so many people want to make their WM phones looks like iPhone?
When directly compare WM phones and iPhone (let's leave Linux, Symbian, Palm and Blackberry out of this for now), the majority of serious Smart Phone/ PDA Phone users out there would say WM is better, can do more. So, what is the idea of making WM phones look and act like iPhone. Don't get me wrong, All the developers in this forum making software such as Slide2Unlock and iContact are great, they have proved the superiority of WM phone.
I like my WM phone, it is great. And, I will never make it looks like iPhone. For you people want to make your WM looks like iPhone, why don't you just go get an iPhone and stop make people say WM phone is poor men's alternative to iPhone. I'd say iPhone is the dumb people's alternative to WM phone.
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It's not necessarily that people want to make their WM phone look like an iPhone, but more that there is a real desire for a fingertip interface for WM devices.

iphone is glossy. It catches the eye. It has a fun UI to play with. WM is more customizable. Alot more programs to use and have fun with. But seriously, which UI seems more fun to play with? I want to just play with an IPhone for a few days. I know after day 2 or 3, than I would care less what phone I have. Just like my MDA. Why else do I keep reflashing and resetting it up? so I don't get bored of it. LOL!

I think the iPhone has got a fancy interface but it hasn't got the features of WM and it has got a real cool factor but in useability it is WM every time.

imho then
wm vs. iphone
is much like
pc vs. console
1 is very spc'd to do what it was made to do
and not possible to customize much
it's fancy and makes people look and works out of the box
the other is very customizeable and got piles of software
one can make ones own software jack of all trades master of non
support addon hardware and is allways revolving
got a steeper learning curve and can scare n00bs away
imho it's a pretty fair comparison

Reminds me of those pity skinners that love to skin their Winblows machine as a mac (which looks f*gly anyway).
I have to agree with the thread starter. There is no point making your phone look an iPhone. Trust me , it sucks and its a waste of resources and time (It hogs up the System RAM). So for me , I'll stick with the current WM UI (Although I f***ing hate WM ..don't get me wrong guys...But I have no choice but to go with WM Devices as Palm is still left behind in the 20th Century world and Symbian isn't a OS at all [Its a joke])
When you come and think about it , sure WM devices beats hands off. But then will you get the cool X-factor (that is the superb UI and design + the OS of the iPhone - no)
Summary :-
If you want a True Smartphone/PDA Phone - WM Device
If you want a fashion gadget + MP3 Player - iPhone
If you want a phone - Nokia 3310

wm5 ..the one...& iPhone..
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i´m a wm lover, and you now why?? just because y can look to iphone and say,,,,ei man, this application is soo good, the work in iphone is in another direction..more user friendly play groud intertainement...and you ask!! soo..why do you like wm...just simple..because if i like some application on wm...i just install them on my wm5 device...and unisntall if i need...that´s simple..soo simple...wm5 is the one...iphone is very good job...soo if i ant ...just install..he..he...is a small part os wm5

_Pumba_ said:
There's only one reason iPhone is so popular: marketing. iPhone even has been an item on the the 8o clock news on television (netherlands). Was HTC's P3300 on the news? NO, but it can do 10x more things than the iphone can! It has GPS, word, push email etc. etc.
Publicity makes publicity: the iphone is so populair because it is so populair. In short: this is a hype. Just like the iPod is a hype. Before there was the iPod, there were dozens of MP3 players who could all the things the iPod could do years later. Many people THINK the iPod is something special and can do things no other device can do: for example, the term 'Podcasting'. The 'Pod' suggests it can only can be done on a iPod, so n00bs buy a iPod to play podcasts.
It's just marketing that does the trick, the more people talk about it, the more people want it.
Nonetheless, the iPhone looks very good. The build quality is very good and the device is easy to understand. And important: its stable. WM5 isn't very stable and difficult to operate. My sister who's 23 isn't able to use my phone, too complicated she says wm5 is for (semi)nerds
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i totally agree with you, another comparison:
i have a creative zen vision m, all my friends ask me why not buy a ipod and sometimes they make comparision jokes about my mp4 player. But this creative vision has far more specs, it has customized menus and a far more beautiful screen, the only thing it hasnt is the scroll wheel, but who cares.
As Pumba here just said its what people know, they will buy, i bet that after the launch of the iphone there will be many people who never heard about WM but of the iphone yes!
I like the iphone only for its design, im only 16 so im still into all that fashion stuff, so i try to get my WM as sexy as the iphone, enough said?
thank you

Ok I've had it with the iCrap... really...
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Apples_iPhone_Tops_All_Other_Smart_Phones_in_the_US_08310.html
"Apple’s iPhone Tops All Other Smart Phones in the US" seems to be the title of this article. Granted, a filler article, but how much longer are we going to endure the stupidity of these reports? And can someone tell me what exactly makes the iCrap a smartphone?

windows mobile 6.1 the Suck

Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".

rocken7 said:
Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Yep....it's you.....and guess what....nobody is forcing you to buy a Windows Mobile device.....so either "suck" it up and learn how to use it, or buy something else.

Really. Mine is amazing! (SGH-I780) No problems with power settings. Maybe it is your unit.

bmo.alt said:
Really. Mine is amazing! (SGH-I780) No problems with power settings. Maybe it is your unit.
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so true. 6.1 is rock solid. TomTom picks up satellites signal a lot faster. Better battery life.

Yeah, mine is great also. Maybe it is a user problem?

I tell ya what, I've spent time with Palm, which isn't too bad but isn't WM, I've spent time with the Iphone, and let me tell you something, you have to ****ing install openssh on it to be able to ftp to the phone so that you can copy over any file that isn't a song or a pic. (I'm sure I could add a few commas in there) I've also used Symbian phone, which is like palm.. Hands down, right here right now, non come close to WM and what it can do and what you can do with it.
OP the Suck

I bought it b/c it was the least bad of the bunch. And also plan on whiping it with android if that day comes around fully.
I can hack on earth, wind, and fire but better systems allow me to intermediate that. MS just gets in the way, they really need a whole new UI injection.

It is so easy to bash M$.
My opinion, and that's all any of us have, is that Windows Mobile is the best mobile OS out there. It allows me to do a lot more with my phone than any other OS.

I think doofus had seconds on his retard sandwich today.... what an idiot.

rocken7 said:
I bought it b/c it was the least bad of the bunch. And also plan on whiping it with android if that day comes around fully.
I can hack on earth, wind, and fire but better systems allow me to intermediate that. MS just gets in the way, they really need a whole new UI injection.
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First it was the "worst phone OS on the planet" and now it's the "least bad of the bunch".....so which is it?.....the worst, or the best(least bad)? Seriously....your credibility is going downhill every time you open your mouth.....which isn't too great considering you didn't start with any.

Sorry valt, didn't mean to fire up the flame bait. I think AOL chat is still open for business ...

i think that as just an operating system in general WM is kinda crap... but one has to understand that it is mobile os and compared o the rest of the mobile os's its the best i was just nieve in buying this thinking/ hearing WINDOWS and not the mobile part so much...my only quip tho, is that since this is windows MOBILE the mobile functions should be better than that on a normal phone (not a hinderance on performace, i mean this thing has a dedicated phone processor and seperate media proc. right? i think on the msm7xxx series they did not properly implement them or something..)... some mobile phone functions are really good on WM but other like the complexities you have to go through to do normal stuff sometimes.... oh well

I heard they are completely revamping the windows UI stuff in wm7 + 8 but that is not coming out until 2010 which is saaad.

Dude I have been using WM based mobiles since 2003 and I think WM is by far the best OS in the market, its been built for advanced users or people with fair knowledge of computing, if you think it is too much for you to handle why dont you buy a regular handset like NOKIA 3310 or if you think you are advanced enough get one of those crapy symbian mobiles.....

rocken7 said:
Is it me or is windows mobile the worst phone OS on the planet?
And the upgrade to v6.1 is actually WORSE. My power settings always reset, its real difficult to use mp3 as ringtones, the UI just sucks all over the place in so many ways. The java/midlet/IE install process is totally broken. Meh!
What do they smoke up in Redmond? Its called "**** software bud".
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Go buy full power interface iphone....
Dumbass.

Valtamr said:
First it was the "worst phone OS on the planet" and now it's the "least bad of the bunch".....so which is it?.....the worst, or the best(least bad)? Seriously....your credibility is going downhill every time you open your mouth.....which isn't too great considering you didn't start with any.
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Wait just a minuet Your giving this guy "Credibility" you must be feeling kind today. I to wondered how he got the "Least bad of the bunch" and still had the worst phone on the Planet. Maybe he should try another retail store with a larger selection! Or maybe he just a bit hard to please! Well I could not live with out my tilt as I felt the same about my Hearms, and when I can hide enough funds away from the warden to get a Diamond, I will feel the same about that. I guess I like the platform or maybe I am easy to please. One thing if I didn't like a Rom I would find a group of Developers ,Join their forum, learn how to cook and flash my own custom roms and create what ever I wanted. Hey wait a minuet that's what I did! Maybe Rocken7 should join XDA go to WiKi learn how to flash find a rom he is Happy with and stop making these silly post, but that's not what he did. Now this is not a burn although Rocken7 you have walked into a room with a bulls eye on you back and said "BURN ME"! with the comment you posted! so beware! We are watching! It might just be that you are a tad to critical! I am sure we have everything you need to make your device what you need it to be. Hope you can make the best of what you got! Good Luck!
Ed...

It's as simple as what you want your phone to do and what you're able to do with it. So many people rant and rave about Wm devices on these forums, which are really designed to educate, illuminate, and progress our devices. People who ***** about there new device probably should not have purchased it in the first place! Would I recommend a Hermes, kaiser or diamond to my Dad, Mom or Grandma? Depends if you are wearing Depends. Or to my buddy that's been using a Razr for the past 3 years? They would look like a monkey trying to open a coconut. Two of my best friends just got the Lg Vu and don't even know how to log onto the basic medianet. It's funny how everyone I've caught using a Kaiser "Tilt"; they always tell me how much they hate it and I laugh inside; It's simply not the phone for you; simple as that

I love mine, but I love fiddling with things
There's no way on earth I'd recommend one to anyone who's just after a phone, because (out-of-the-box) it's awful.
I enjoy the customisation aspects of mine. But there are still some 'phone' aspects which I feel are seriously lacking. The fun (for me) is finding stuff to make it work the way I want it to.

Windows mobile is a great operating system, functionality wise, but its interface sucks.
I run PointUI on my phone, which means I can access most features and functions very quickly using just my thumb, without the horrible WM interface. With this, most functions would be easy to use even for a n00b with no WM experience.
The fact that I can run PointUI on WM, or Throttle launcher, or SPB mobile shell, or a number of other options, is what makes WM so great - it can be made to do what people want. Still would have been better if Microsoft had focused on the UI from the beginning.
The great functionality of WM does not necessitate a terrible interface. It will be interesting to see what happens with WM7 & newer versions now Microsoft has to focus on the UI thanks to Apple & others leading the way.

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The great functionality of WM does not necessitate a terrible interface. It will be interesting to see what happens with WM7 & newer versions now Microsoft has to focus on the UI thanks to Apple & others leading the way.
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Exactly ! WM6.1 is a lot better than 6.0 and most of all 5 ... let's focus on the future and the juicy stuff Apple brings us.

Android, why all the hype?

I am constantly reading posts about android here and i cant understand why everybody is so excited about it. Ok, its linux, but so what. Its open-source, but so what. How many of users that are so desiring it has ever change one line of code in any software? 0.0001%? How many times have you edit some config file as there was no GUI to set it up from there? Do you actually know what the file is? And how to edit it without Word ? So what is SO cool about it? What is this great thing where the touch hd would be so great with it? I thought it was bragging but you can brag with iPhone, i dont think Linux will ever catch its look AND stability (actually imho linux is one huge pile of bugs that works together by pure coincidence). The amount of software that could be used on a phone is very inferior to Windows Mobile and iPhone, and shell is quite useless as on screen keyboard typing can be only meant as a joke (i actually had to buy myself a folding keyboard)... You like it becoase it is google? Some privacy concerned people would raise eyebrow... You dont like the manilla? What about this: http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/mobileshell/ ?
So what is so cool about android??
(running ssh to dragonfly bsd host and i really dont understand what linux on phone could be good for)

Well, basically, Linux and Linux-based systems allow you to polish those bugs. Which is one of the reasons Linux is as bug-free as you can get right now.
And most computer users don't make their own GNU/Linux distributions either, they download their favorite. I don't see why that wouldn't work in a PDA environment.

This thread doesnt belong here.

msedhom said:
This thread doesnt belong here.
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I don't agree with you. Android is a Rom-development for the Blackstone, so I agree his placement for this thread.
Back on-topic, I disagree with the fact of android being a spoiler to our Blackstone. Android is an open-source OS for Mobile Phones and I really would like a Android Rom for the Blackstone. Creating my own apps and stuff. I hope it will be developed some day

root said:
I am constantly reading posts about android here and i cant understand why everybody is so excited about it. Ok, its linux, but so what. Its open-source, but so what. How many of users that are so desiring it has ever change one line of code in any software? 0.0001%? How many times have you edit some config file as there was no GUI to set it up from there? Do you actually know what the file is? And how to edit it without Word ? So what is SO cool about it? What is this great thing where the touch hd would be so great with it? I thought it was bragging but you can brag with iPhone, i dont think Linux will ever catch its look AND stability (actually imho linux is one huge pile of bugs that works together by pure coincidence). The amount of software that could be used on a phone is very inferior to Windows Mobile and iPhone, and shell is quite useless as on screen keyboard typing can be only meant as a joke (i actually had to buy myself a folding keyboard)... You like it becoase it is google? Some privacy concerned people would raise eyebrow... You dont like the manilla? What about this: http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/mobileshell/ ?
So what is so cool about android??
(running ssh to dragonfly bsd host and i really dont understand what linux on phone could be good for)
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Personally I want it because its smother than winmo, even the old halfworking port feels really smoth and more robust flipping through menues etc. It has that stable feeling Iphone-OS has.
That beeing said, i love where the new manila and Winmo is heading. If they just speed it up and get rid of the flickering and ****ty looking graphics when opening applications it would be more attractive.

my dad recently bought the htc magic and i can understand whats the hype with android.
its a very nice system for a phone.
what i dont understand is that if you want it, why not buy an android phone? my next phone will probably by android, but for now i'm happy with WM. and i can guarantee you that never will android on a device like blackstone be as good as windows mobile. without the help of the manufacturer it is not possible to get a stable and fully working android port. waste of time. go get a hero.

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Rick

POLL: Would you buy X2 knowing the CPU is the same?!

I'm not!!!!
Specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-2926.php
It does look very sexy though http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x2-3d-spin-2926.php

dude there is a neverending thread about this already
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555651

spikegotti said:
dude there is a neverending thread about this already
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555651
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i tried searching for one but it doesn't let me search for less than 3 characters or whatever ("X2").... not my fault
on second thought the vids i'm seeing on youtube show it's rather fast but i'm still not convinced by prototypes.....

Not unless they pay me for taking it and after that I'm going to sell it and buy a real modern device from a company that doesn't piss on its customers.

i wouldnt buy it even if the CPU was faster

comeradealexi said:
i wouldnt buy it even if the CPU was faster
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That crossed my mind as well haha.

orelsi said:
That crossed my mind as well haha.
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lol... said by a man who praises x1 over everything else. what an epic fail...

Unless it was cheaper, I cannot justify another $650 (family center discount) for much of the same.

if X2 2nd hand price for next 6 month is $300, i'll buy it . im still in love with my X1 now
vietdoan20062006

They need improvements on not only the CPU, but also the screen (AMOLED and larger).

What a retarded topic - like if it makes any difference if the CPU is faster (it's plenty fast enough already) or if some exotic display tech could only solve the problem of being resistive (AMOLED and similarly clueless idiocies)...
...it is Windows Mobile, dumbos, THAT IS THE PROBLEM, period.
It is not slow nor badly "coded" (like if SE or HTC has much to do with WM's root timing & kernel issues), it is simply Windows Mobile ergo it SUCKS.
Better than iCrap because it has multitasking and probably still has more apps (But who cares?) but worse in almost anything else.
Better than Android in hardware etc support and has more apps but worse in anything else.
Any other way it SUCKS compared to anyone else.
Yes, that's all.

szlevi said:
What a retarded topic - like if it makes any difference if the CPU is faster (it's plenty fast enough already) or if some exotic display tech could only solve the problem of being resistive (AMOLED and similarly clueless idiocies)...
...it is Windows Mobile, dumbos, THAT IS THE PROBLEM, period.
It is not slow nor badly "coded" (like if SE or HTC has much to do with WM's root timing & kernel issues), it is simply Windows Mobile ergo it SUCKS.
Better than iCrap because it has multitasking and probably still has more apps (But who cares?) but worse in almost anything else.
Better than Android in hardware etc support and has more apps but worse in anything else.
Any other way it SUCKS compared to anyone else.
Yes, that's all.
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Excuse me? Better go get some brains before you make a joke of yourself on the Internetz.
1 - Having a better and faster CPU is the sole gole of both the manufacturers and the consumers. Are you kidding me? Faster CPU means, faster gameplay, movies. UI, multitasking and more. You just made the most ignorant claim in the history of the world.
The CPU is not fast enough and it is not the fault of the OS. You can tweak things only so far, after that, you need a faster CPU to take the load off.
2 - Lol wut? What has one to do with the other. AMOLED is good, because of the vivid colours and brightness.
FYI resistive is FAR, FAR superior to capacitive and if you didn't know that, you shouldn't post, only read, oh clueless one...
3 - Just because you can't handle the complexity of a certain OS, doesn't mean that the OS sucks. It mean thaat you don't have the skills and knowledge to appreciate it. WinMo is the most versatile, customizable and productive OS out there. Oh yeah, adding a "period" after your sentence doesn't magically turn it into the word of God...
Now GTFO and take your ignorance with you.

fight! fight!!!

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They need improvements on not only the CPU, but also the screen (AMOLED and larger).
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Absolutely. Even with a faster CPU it is still ugly as hell and the screen is not big enough. There are many other thing not to like as well. I wouldn't buy even if it had a faster CPU.

orelsi said:
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3 - Just because you can't handle the complexity of a certain OS, doesn't mean that the OS sucks. It mean thaat you don't have the skills and knowledge to appreciate it. WinMo is the most versatile, customizable and productive OS out there. Oh yeah, adding a "period" after your sentence doesn't magically turn it into the word of God...
Now GTFO and take your ignorance with you.
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This one I have to agree!

i agree but i wont say customizable, the symbian platform is way more customizable than wm, everything on my P1 was changed, and i mean everything, and much easier to do so than on wm, but the symbian OS including the UIQ felt as though something was missing, apart from wm which is practically the same thing as windows on a comp except that its on a mobile device.
iphone os x is just as productive as wm now bcos of the developers who spend their time, you have to admit it, the iphone now is surpassing wm if it haven't, it seems as tho the wm developers have abandoned the wm platform...
i have emailed many developers about updating their apps and games for the wvga resolution and their response was nothing but bad news...
i agree this topic is useless only bcos of when it was published, why now when 6.5 is on the horizon???? ....shouldn't this be relevant when all we knew about was 6.1 which has the windows 98 appearance?
wm 6.5 in the latest builds is just as sexy as the iphone and android's gui, and the good part is that it seems to be more customizable than the two.

I wont buy X2 even they integrate 2Ghz CPU inside. There are no major improvements, i noticed only better camera and WM6.5 which you already can install to X1. Im happy with X1 now. IF i would buy new phone i would wait for something like HTC leo with QWERTY(TouchPro3 ?).
Does X2 even have G-sensor?

spikegotti said:
i agree but i wont say customizable, the symbian platform is way more customizable than wm, everything on my P1 was changed, and i mean everything, and much easier to do so than on wm, but the symbian OS including the UIQ felt as though something was missing, apart from wm which is practically the same thing as windows on a comp except that its on a mobile device........
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I agree about most of those things. Symbian is still my second favourite OS, but I wouldn't put it on par with WinMo. It is a smartphone platform not a ppc one.
iPhail = CRAP.
matejdro said:
IF i would buy new phone i would wait for something like HTC leo with QWERTY(TouchPro3 ?).
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Oh yeah .

doministry said:
This one I have to agree!
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Yes I agree too. All Microsoft really has to do is make the buttons look larger and make the skin more modern (that is what they are doing on 6.5, but I'd rather have the 6.1 start menu as an option - at least newer builds make the 6.5 more easily customizable).

poetryrocksalot said:
Yes I agree too. All Microsoft really has to do is make the buttons look larger and make the skin more modern (that is what they are doing on 6.5, but I'd rather have the 6.1 start menu as an option - at least newer builds make the 6.5 more easily customizable).
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Agreed about the start menu.
Some things in 6.5 look weird or ugly to me, but as a whole I'm looking forward to it.
Anyway, I was thinking about getting a second device with another OS, just to try something else. I'll stick to WinMo for the next several years for sure, but maybe an Android or a Maemo device won't hurt anyone .

iPhone 4G (Review)

Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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tsalta said:
Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
3. the pictures you're searching for are here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof/
*the pics you provide were actually made before the 3GS
4. the processor will likely be the same as in the ipad (rumors)

haha..removable battery.. never, my friend, never.
fake.

shu8i said:
1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
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You're right! HD2 is a nice piece of HARDWARE! The underlying OS is still a big pile of crap written by people who know nothing about OS design. Deciders there must be REAL stupid to think that checkboxes/combos/lists on a classic desktop computer scales down correctly to a 2~3 inches handheld screen when there, they'll be 16 pixels tall... Stupid conception, lack of minimal intelligence! People using handhelds want to use their fingers, not styluses!
iPhone, as MacOS X, uses a BSD kernel as foundations and there you have real engineers design. I don't own any Apple machine and I dislike a lot this brand but I'm a Unix lover for all its concepts and they were designed in the 70's!
Windows, and then WinMo, doesn't scale anywhere but in a classic computer, be it a desktop or a server.
BSD/Linux/whatever Unix flavour scales from the smallest Phone/DVDPlayer/MP3Player to the Top500 super computers accross the world! Sorry mate but that is design!
HD2 is a very nice device only because of 1GHz SnapDragon! The OS is so badly designed in its internals that you must compensate with a strong armed CPU to make it run fast.
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS... Tell me know... What in Android is so much more optimised in graphics rendering that the native OS, designed specifically by Microsoft and HTC for the drivers part, can't match with ?
I use DeviceEmulator with 6.5 ROM on a Windows machine and on the Windows part, I use a CPU monitor. DeviceEmulator isn't graphics optimized and all operations and refreshes are done via the emulated ARM CPU. Tell me... Using iPhoneToday loaded with icons and multiple pages, the scrolling is very smooth and the Windows CPU monitor shows a 20% usage while scrolling. Playing the same way with the 6.5 StartMenu seems a bit more jerky and shows a 78% CPU usage ? If Microsoft "engineers" knew a bit about quality programming, we would know for a long time now!
Finally ever used any .NET CF 3.5 application ? That's the WORST user experience one can have ! Take a fine example : iContactAE ! 2 executables, the main one which does not feature a single line of .NET CF code and the setup tool which is entirely written in .NET CF...
The first one features instantaneous startup time, smooth and fast scrolling, ultra reactivity and low memory consumption (compared to it's "massive" graphical objects usage). The second one, on my Blackstone, "features" 6s startup time, sluggish pages refresh and all that for... checkboxes, comboboxes and tabbed configuration pages! Yeah... that's what we call "computing evolution".
Please, find me a SINGLE application, written in .NET CF, not memory resident that, on a modern device (400MHz CPU) features quite instantaneous startup time and no sluggish refreshes. Good luck!

Its funny how many people instantly jump on Windows Mobile when the HD2 is mentioned, and they don't mention HTC Sense, which imo, is awesome, along with other apps you can get, you can have the HD2 running amazingly. The underlying OS IS crap, everyone knows that, and it is very dated, BUT it has given us HTC Sense so to speak.

Sithlord said:
You're right! HD2 is a nice piece of HARDWARE! The underlying OS is still a big pile of crap written by people who know nothing about OS design. Deciders there must be REAL stupid to think that checkboxes/combos/lists on a classic desktop computer scales down correctly to a 2~3 inches handheld screen when there, they'll be 16 pixels tall... Stupid conception, lack of minimal intelligence! People using handhelds want to use their fingers, not styluses!
iPhone, as MacOS X, uses a BSD kernel as foundations and there you have real engineers design. I don't own any Apple machine and I dislike a lot this brand but I'm a Unix lover for all its concepts and they were designed in the 70's!
Windows, and then WinMo, doesn't scale anywhere but in a classic computer, be it a desktop or a server.
BSD/Linux/whatever Unix flavour scales from the smallest Phone/DVDPlayer/MP3Player to the Top500 super computers accross the world! Sorry mate but that is design!
HD2 is a very nice device only because of 1GHz SnapDragon! The OS is so badly designed in its internals that you must compensate with a strong armed CPU to make it run fast.
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS... Tell me know... What in Android is so much more optimised in graphics rendering that the native OS, designed specifically by Microsoft and HTC for the drivers part, can't match with ?
I use DeviceEmulator with 6.5 ROM on a Windows machine and on the Windows part, I use a CPU monitor. DeviceEmulator isn't graphics optimized and all operations and refreshes are done via the emulated ARM CPU. Tell me... Using iPhoneToday loaded with icons and multiple pages, the scrolling is very smooth and the Windows CPU monitor shows a 20% usage while scrolling. Playing the same way with the 6.5 StartMenu seems a bit more jerky and shows a 78% CPU usage ? If Microsoft "engineers" knew a bit about quality programming, we would know for a long time now!
Finally ever used any .NET CF 3.5 application ? That's the WORST user experience one can have ! Take a fine example : iContactAE ! 2 executables, the main one which does not feature a single line of .NET CF code and the setup tool which is entirely written in .NET CF...
The first one features instantaneous startup time, smooth and fast scrolling, ultra reactivity and low memory consumption (compared to it's "massive" graphical objects usage). The second one, on my Blackstone, "features" 6s startup time, sluggish pages refresh and all that for... checkboxes, comboboxes and tabbed configuration pages! Yeah... that's what we call "computing evolution".
Please, find me a SINGLE application, written in .NET CF, not memory resident that, on a modern device (400MHz CPU) features quite instantaneous startup time and no sluggish refreshes. Good luck!
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that's where sense comes to work to hide that crap get some addons like co0kie and your homescreen is as customizable as android (move around abjects, delete etc.). get a custom ROM and it's like 5x faster than than stock. so it's not just the hardware. i dare you to find any mobile OS that you can customize as you can a winmo device

shu8i said:
1. you think that iphone OS is faster than winmo because you've never tried an HD2
2. you think it's more sensitve because there was no capacitive touch for winmo until the HD2
3. the pictures you're searching for are here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof/
*the pics you provide were actually made before the 3GS
4. the processor will likely be the same as in the ipad (rumors)
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I CANT Agree with you
I use Blackstone but i play with HD2 so.. maybe you never play with 3GS ? so now here we speak Bullshits.. I DONT LIKE the APLE company but when i see something BLACK i cant tell is WHITE do u understand me what i mean?!
Also now you compare 2 absolutly diferent devices..
Also no matter what Processor will put in the NEW devices i mean new HTC and other WinMo devices.. they never will run Smooth And Faster..
FOr everyone here Smooth and Faster mean diferent things.. for my Slow for someone can be a Faster and etc etc...
But we must all to agree that the feeling when you touching iPhone Screen and slide and do all the things.. is COMPLATE diferent and you cannot compare it with any other WINMO device...
Also for example im using Blackstone and i have it from when they hit the market..
SO he have bigger screen than iPhone and its good looking device.. BUT on the same time..no matter of that big screen the Blackstone is NOT FINGER FRIENDLY no matter do with WinMo 6.5 or 6.5.5 we trying to make it more finger friendly but have something that we cannot change because the Whole WINDOWS MOBILE OS is not finger Friendly...
So why u need a bigger screen then? when its hard to do everything with fingers?
the HTC do awesome devices and not only the Biggest problem always will be Microsoft everyone know that WINDOWS is one of the Slowest OS avalible..
When Android hit the market and like we know is a young OS platform even they are 10 times faster than Windows.. so for this reason im telling you
for exampe after 5 years you will buy a HTC with 2 GHZ processor and one iPhone with half of this parameters will make you crazy because JUST the Windows Mobile OS Sucks..
When the new iPhone is out after around 2 mounths and even i dont know the full real specs i can insure you that this Phone will kill all Device that you speak now they are fast.. LEO and etc..
The Hardwere is PERFECT but the Soft is very very BAD.

tsalta said:
I CANT Agree with you
I use Blackstone but i play with HD2 so.. maybe you never play with 3GS ? so now here we speak Bullshits.. I DONT LIKE the APLE company but when i see something BLACK i cant tell is WHITE do u understand me what i mean?!
Also now you compare 2 absolutly diferent devices..
Also no matter what Processor will put in the NEW devices i mean new HTC and other WinMo devices.. they never will run Smooth And Faster..
FOr everyone here Smooth and Faster mean diferent things.. for my Slow for someone can be a Faster and etc etc...
But we must all to agree that the feeling when you touching iPhone Screen and slide and do all the things.. is COMPLATE diferent and you cannot compare it with any other WINMO device...
Also for example im using Blackstone and i have it from when they hit the market..
SO he have bigger screen than iPhone and its good looking device.. BUT on the same time..no matter of that big screen the Blackstone is NOT FINGER FRIENDLY no matter do with WinMo 6.5 or 6.5.5 we trying to make it more finger friendly but have something that we cannot change because the Whole WINDOWS MOBILE OS is not finger Friendly...
So why u need a bigger screen then? when its hard to do everything with fingers?
the HTC do awesome devices and not only the Biggest problem always will be Microsoft everyone know that WINDOWS is one of the Slowest OS avalible..
When Android hit the market and like we know is a young OS platform even they are 10 times faster than Windows.. so for this reason im telling you
for exampe after 5 years you will buy a HTC with 2 GHZ processor and one iPhone with half of this parameters will make you crazy because JUST the Windows Mobile OS Sucks..
When the new iPhone is out after around 2 mounths and even i dont know the full real specs i can insure you that this Phone will kill all Device that you speak now they are fast.. LEO and etc..
The Hardwere is PERFECT but the Soft is very very BAD.
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actually no i do not understand what you mean. first, stop to generalize everything. second i came from an iphone to the HD2 / and almost every friend of mine has an iphone, so yeah i know how an iphone feels and after using the HD2 an iphone will never be an option for me again. HTC made a great job integrating Sense into winmo, so thats for fingerfriendly. Screensize? well don't you ever watch videos/pics on your device? it has nothing to do with the OS.
_but_
that's not the point of this thread,is it? although i don't understand what you want to review before the device is actually out.

why is this board filled up with so much hate against WM? why do such people sign up to this board if this is all they do? Do they even know that without WM xda-developers never existed!
about complaints about checkboxes and whatever. Windows Mobile originally was a operating system for PDAs and noone used their fingers to use it. A stylus was common sense.... You can only blame Microsoft for not releasing a new finger friendly UI earlier. But to talk **** about the OS (only because the checkboxes are too small) is very very stupid!!!
I think some people here should run their own site and call it iphone-developers.com and we are free of all this junk.
And if the next guy is now jumping in "Why don't you choose the best available OS and not only defend a bad habit" then he can leave already. People contributing to this board already made their decission to have a WM phone.
Thanks for attention!

MalekoUK said:
Its funny how many people instantly jump on Windows Mobile when the HD2 is mentioned, and they don't mention HTC Sense, which imo, is awesome, along with other apps you can get, you can have the HD2 running amazingly. The underlying OS IS crap, everyone knows that, and it is very dated, BUT it has given us HTC Sense so to speak.
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Don't misunderstand me! HD2 is a NICE device and I wish I could have one myself. Unfortunately, it uses a WinMo OS. Unfortunately again, some apps I really need only exist (for now) on WinMo so I'll wait a bit.
After that, I'll certainly jump on the Android world as it is the only world meeting my needs and wishes (which are very picky on technical aspects). iPhone is a no go for me only because of Apple itself, I just hate the way this company gives itself the right to take decisions on behalf of the end user, where the device physically is!
Android also have it's drawbacks and I hope nothing nasty will happen with it.

Sithlord said:
I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS...
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Could someone please direct me to the Blackstone HTC stock rom with WM6.5?

shu8i said:
that's where sense comes to work to hide that crap get some addons like co0kie and your homescreen is as customizable as android (move around abjects, delete etc.). get a custom ROM and it's like 5x faster than than stock. so it's not just the hardware. i dare you to find any mobile OS that you can customize as you can a winmo device
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That's funny but I precisely REMOVED HTC Sense/Manila specifically because, from my point of view, it's totally UNCONFIGURABLE
Hiding/Showing tabs is not what I call "configurable software". Ever tried to add your own Tab for your own needs and wishes ? You'll find out you can't... Ok then, let's try to feedle with the internal configuration to find something useful and reach the goal.. Wow.. how nice! Compiled LUA scripts, proprietary QIX image format (what the hell for, god knows), stupid and useless files naming conventions, etc.. etc...
Yep, exactly ALL I hate from proprietary software developpment. "We MUST close ALL doors to end users! They don't need to know, they MUST NOT know how our internals work".
Strangely enough, iPhoneToday or, more Sense-like software such as WisbarAdvanceDesktop, REALLY ARE what I call "configurable software" because they really ALLOW you to whatever you want!
Oh, and for the record, of course I use a cooked ROM and less than 1% of original WinMo standard applications... I've replaced quite all of them by software designed by REAL developpers, not MS wanabees only able to pee useless and unoptimised lines of code

RAMMANN said:
why is this board filled up with so much hate against WM? why do such people sign up to this board if this is all they do? Do they even know that without WM xda-developers never existed!
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I see it in another way... Without XDA-Dev, I wouldn't have bought a WinMo device, which would be totally useless using only poorly designed provided software.
RAMMANN said:
about complaints about checkboxes and whatever. Windows Mobile originally was a operating system for PDAs and noone used their fingers to use it. A stylus was common sense.... You can only blame Microsoft for not releasing a new finger friendly UI earlier. But to talk **** about the OS (only because the checkboxes are too small) is very very stupid!!!
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Here you are mistaken! Tell me exactly the difference between a PDA and a PDAPhone ? None except the phone functionality!
Stylus wasn't common sense at all, it was a decision, nothing more nothing less! These devices are TouchScreen devices, using a stylus or your fingers doesn't change the technology behind! Resistive screens (WinMo) are very precise but not reactive, Capacitive screens (iPhone, HD2) are not precise at all but very reactive. Using fingers instead of stylus explains why all devices are migrating to capacitive screens. Users want their device to respond quickly and use their fingers, hence my rant agains WinMo design and piles of pure design crap such as .NET CF (from a developper perspective : traversing 20 inherited classes from the method to the actual function in the OS can't make the framework react fast in any way! Ever seen a .NET CF stack trace in case of an exception? I've only seen Java producing so huge stack traces)
I blame MS for not being able to understand their users and take for granted that in late 2000, users still want to use styluses... Get rid of them! I blame MS for not being able to consider that Portable devices ARE NOT Desktop Computers and rules applying to the later ones do NOT apply to former ones. MS lack everything, from long term vision to technical expertise!
Their only strength lies in the fact that WinMo devices are so spread in the world that they have some kind of assured market. If the market was the result of technical merits, WinMo wouldn't even exist!

xaccers said:
Could someone please direct me to the Blackstone HTC stock rom with WM6.5?
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HTC decided that Blackstone is an old and deprecated device so only 6.1 ROM is available
For a really stock 6.5 ROM, KWBR Vanilla Series
I've tested 6.5.3 and 6.5.5 ROMs and I haven't yet decided which one to use, I first have to test them thoroughly. I really like "stock" ROMs, not fully featured with builtin software which turns to be "useless" in time with the need of updates. I'd rather update software than reflash my ROM.
* Blackstonehenge : 6.5.3 ROM (28232) => Clean and pretty fast
* Ravage (Clean) : 6.5.5 ROM (23547) => Clean and fast. But, for some reason, I can't find it anymore on the forum.. Anyway, Ravage seems to be a discontinued project.
No other 6.5.5 ROM attracts me, most are overloaded with useless software (for my needs of course) and featuring visual themes that I really don't like

I TOTALY AGREE with you
Without XDA i will never buy a WinMo so here is what we talk about.
If XDA was not avalible do u still will get an HD2? I DONT THINK SO because all you will get with that device is some Stupid apps from Marketplace and etc...
Honestly when i buy my Blackstone if there was not a XDA i will break my device after a mounth of usage and put it in the TRASH...
I dont know but if i was a Microsoft or some HTC director will plan to make a serious very serious DONATION to XDA because i don`t know who will buy something without support.
All the Guys from here are here because they want to be here and they are for free here so imagine if they was not here.
so HTC and Microsoft must to buy for each member here one Bentley minimum for the jobs they did...

Sithlord said:
HTC decided that Blackstone is an old and deprecated device so only 6.1 ROM is available
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Exactly what I thought.
So by putting a cooked rom of an OS on the blackstone and saying it's slow isn't really a reasonable thing to do.
It would be like me taking my HX2190b with a cooked WM6.5 ROM on it and complaining that it's slow (which it isn't come to think of it).
When PDAs first came out, the mindset amongst not only the manufacturers but also the users was they were pocket PC's, and so should have similar interfaces as the current PC OS.
The screens were not that large or responsive and usually had a large bevel around them.
Due to the low resolution and therefore low useful text/icon size it made sense to use a stylus, just as it made sense to give it a file manager and start menu that resembled the PC's.
You still had finger friendly shortcuts.
PDAs were a niche market, it was years before someone in the business thought of combining the two and that was into a smartphone with a tiny screen.
OK in developer land there were people who were slowly creating dialers which turned your PDA into a windows mobile device via bluetooth to your cellphone but of the ones I knew about they didn't get very far.
M$ have never seemed to put much value on PDAs, and even now, I don't think their low market share really bothers them that much, just look at how awful WP7 looks.

Nexus one! Enough said.
Sent from my Nexus One using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

@ topic: http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone

xaccers said:
Exactly what I thought.
So by putting a cooked rom of an OS on the blackstone and saying it's slow isn't really a reasonable thing to do.
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You REALLY MUST BE KIDDING, don't you?
Stock 6.1 ROM from HTC is painfully slow ! KWBR's WinMo 6.5 is way faster and responsive ! Both Ravage (6.5.5) and BlackstoneHenge (6.5.3) are even faster and responsive.
Nonetheless, all of them are still far away from the smoothness of Android or an iPhone.
xaccers said:
When PDAs first came out, the mindset amongst not only the manufacturers but also the users was they were pocket PC's, and so should have similar interfaces as the current PC OS.
The screens were not that large or responsive and usually had a large bevel around them.
Due to the low resolution and therefore low useful text/icon size it made sense to use a stylus, just as it made sense to give it a file manager and start menu that resembled the PC's.
You still had finger friendly shortcuts.
PDAs were a niche market, it was years before someone in the business thought of combining the two and that was into a smartphone with a tiny screen.
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That's exactly my point! The pure lack of vision from MS. Trying to reproduce on PDAs what was done on desktops... Just like trying to fit in a motorcycle everything coming from a car (seats, pedals, stiringwheel, gearbox, ..) on the sole basic idea that both are vehicles, eventhough they have nothing to do one another...

This has zero credibility to me.
But I think there has been a real accidental leak. See the following for the real thing:
http://m.gizmodo.com/site?sid=gizmo...s-is-apples-next-iphone?op=post&refId=5520164
http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone?skyline=true&s=i
The phone has been cleverly disguised as a 3GS with a specially made plastic case. When it was first found in the bar, it was working, running OS4.0. After a while, it was deactivated by Apple and can now only show the USB cable connecting to iTune logo. When plugged into iTune, it is identified as an iPhone.
Apparently, Geohot, our Godman hacker, the author of BlackRa1n, wants to re-activate this phone now. So, all evidence point to the authencity of this as the real next iPhone.
Cheers.
tsalta said:
Hello guys i wana ask you what you think about the new iPhone 4G that must to be released after around 2 mounths.. here will atach some Pics and Specs but note that this is not release yet just is info floated in internet.
We know very well that the iPhone 3GS is alot more faster and FInger Friendly than WinMo.. also the screen and etc.. once i play with an iPhone i was amazed how sensitive it is.. and how Smooth and Fast is everything.. the reason to stop me buy a iPhone is because of the Battery and of the Bad Camera.. and some litle more things..
But now in the new iPhone 4G this is not a problem anymore because he will have removable battery and i think a good 3.2 Camera..
Also the design of the device is complate diferent and now not looking like a soap-dish now look really stilysh and is very very slim.
I wonder that will be the proccessor but will wait to see, also i think that now even more peoples will begin to use an iPhone..
I Hear that the processor will be dual Core and the camera can be even 5 megapixels not 3.2 but all this is guessing we will wait to see the final product but with sure will be something Superb Cool..
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