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Here is a little something I wanted to share with the group though it is quite possible it will be of no interest to anyone here. Still, blabbing seems to be allowed in this section so here goes.
Today I was going through some long unopened drawers at the office and ran in to a real antique: An HP Jornada 710.
I read about these devices before, how some people still experiment with them running Linux and stuff.
Well, I decided to see what the fuss was about but of course non of its original accessories were anywhere to be found.
Fortunately I have a 'heavy duty' 1000mA universal DC adapter at home that after some struggling I managed to connect to the device. (Mind you this is a particularly hungry little toy - 12V, 2.5A)
And to my surprise it came to life almost immediately after at least 3 years of lying dormant in a draw.
What surprised me even more, was what I found on the desktop of the unit. I worked with Win CE 4.2 and 5 devices but I really didn't expect that the old "Hand Held PC" derivative would have Power Point and Mobile Access apps preinstalled in ROM. (Just for the power point we had to wait through 3.5 Windows Mobile versions 2000, 2002, 2003 / SE).
All in all I found this 6 year old device to be more impressive then many WM5 devices I've seen.
Well right now I left it to charge over night and will take it back to the office in the morning for show and tell.
I doubt I will attempt changing the ROM, but I am trying to think of a neat use for it since it seems a shame to put such a device back in the draw.
Ow well, just thought I share, any comments, thoughts etc. are welcomed.
You should read Pocket PC Expert more! They have adverts in every magazine asking to buy, and also selling these devices. I still think that they were nearly the best form factor ever made - I loved my Psion 5, and still think in many ways it's the sexiest device I've used.
Someone should really refactor these devices - slightly thinner, foldback screen to use as a tablet (like Univeral), and it would be a beautiful "on the go" business companion.
Then again, we have Athena. $1100 right?!
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Is that the one with the built in dial up modem?
OdeeanRDeathshead said:
Is that the one with the built in dial up modem?
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Not unless there suppose to be some special cable for it that plugs in to a phone socket.
The software is there, even a dedicated button on the side of the screen but nothing that would look like a modem socket on the device it self.
One crazy though: I have a 3COM PCMCIA WiFi card for my old Toshiba laptop.
If that had a driver for CE (which I am pretty sure it doesn't) maybe it could have worked on the Jornada (probably not because of power requirements or interface version) and that would make a neat terminal.
Oh well, for now the adapter seems to have fried (no external damage, but the indicator light no longer comes on and something is loose inside).
I think the unit is still OK but the battery doesn't hold charge so for now all experiments are on hold.
I still have my iPAQ H3630 (UK) which I upgraded to PPC2002. I have the Stowaway Keyboard and the PC Card Expansion Jacket and used to use a 2GB PC Card HDD in there way back when!
Last week the internal battery died :-(
I need to see if its economically viable to repair....
Does anyone have any experience with SOTI Pocket Controller and the Kaiser (Tilt)? It looks like a decent application but I wanted to check with other Kaiser owners. Feedback is appreciated. Thank you.
I've used this on both my Wizard and my Kaiser and it works as advertised. It definitely saves me time after a hard reset being able to use my keyboard!
I use it with my tytn II all the time. its so much easier typing out sms messages using the pc keyboard and for general use for entering information onto my phone
great for doing screenshots with the phone as a background or just the screen capture also
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n218/dolbe666/pc_capture3.jpg
I use it as well on my Hermes and my Kasier. Hard to beat for remote control from my desktop for sms and screenshots.
Ryan in support has been great the few times I have needed support.
Brad
Purchased and...
I purchased the software and it is really nice. I was hoping the File Explorer would allow me to see everything but it appears that I am not able to see all files; even with show system files checked. Does anyone know of a workaround?
Thanks for the feedback. It is defiantly worth it.
MyMobiler is free and I think it does the same stuff:
http://www.mymobiler.com/
I use it with my Tilt and it works perfectly. Couldn't ask for more.
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MyMobiler is free and I think it does the same stuff:
http://www.mymobiler.com/
I use it with my Tilt and it works perfectly. Couldn't ask for more.
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its not quite the same. with pocket controller you also get full use of your d-pad and buttons and you can configure hotkeys
Use it, love it. If you look hard enough you can get it really cheap.
Great Program. I believe upgrades are free for 1 year, which is a bummer....but still the best program out there for remote control/display.
The new 6.x version even has Explorer, Registry, Task Management and System Info right from your PC Desktop.
I use it on my Tytn and love it. I don't know how I lived without it. I leave it running on my desktop all the time. Just being able to use my mouse to quickly grab a phone number or send a text pretty much makes it worth it to me. Oh and being able to install software without having to install half from the desktop and then pickup the handset to tell it where to install it is another great thing. Oh and one last thing, because my phone is plugged into my computer as soon as I sit down, the bonus is that my phone is always charged. I don't have to think to stop and plug my phone into charge as its just a natural extension to plug it into the computer to use it as soon as I sit down. Its just plain wonderful.
It looks like RedFly has drivers to communicate video and keyboard through the USB port!!
I bet these drivers could be used for any computer, such as the Asus EEE - with a bit of work at first, of course.
I've always wanted a large screen for my WinMo, and it looks like it is on the way!
is this as we have got?
there must be someone out there that can turn a eee pc into a redfly clone
eagerly waiting for such a WinMo driver, (linux or windows on the EEE side), that allows using the EEE screen at native resolution ,for buying an EEE.
I want it!!!
redfly: really good idea, but not at that price point!
redlfy price is a little high
I'm hoping to have one in the next week or 2, i will post a review.
FYI - the video appears on redfly in native resolution (i.e. the resolution of the tilt" and works both via USB and Bluetooth
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FYI - the video appears on redfly in native resolution (i.e. the resolution of the tilt" and works both via USB and Bluetooth
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I may be wrong, But my understanding is that video appears on redfly at 800*480, not at native tilt qvga 320*240.
So, redfly soft to be installed in PDA must have something similar to RealVGA, a proggie that changes Windows Mobile resolution,
I´d be happy having on the EEE a 640*480 piece of screen real state for Mindows Mobile remote screen ( with real crisp VGA, not just upscaled QVGA!) and the remainin screen real state for underlying linux/windows desktop
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I may be wrong, But my understanding is that video appears on redfly at 800*480, not at native tilt qvga 320*240.
So, redfly soft to be installed in PDA must have something similar to RealVGA, a proggie that changes Windows Mobile resolution,
I´d be happy having on the EEE a 640*480 piece of screen real state for Mindows Mobile remote screen ( with real crisp VGA, not just upscaled QVGA!) and the remainin screen real state for underlying linux/windows desktop
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i wish it were true - there is upscaling for regular programs email even web browsing but for video - it plays native 320.240 this has been confirmed in the reviews so far of the unit
but like i said hopefully i will be able to show you - i expect to hear by thursday if one is shipping to me soon
The Redfly has a software that has to be installed on the phone to make it bigger and better quality, however it doesn't work for video playback. Plus I found out it doesn't work with Skyfire Browser.
pho said:
i wish it were true - there is upscaling for regular programs email even web browsing but for video - it plays native 320.240 this has been confirmed in the reviews so far of the unit
but like i said hopefully i will be able to show you - i expect to hear by thursday if one is shipping to me soon
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Thanks for sharing the info. Then redfly is a no-no because I can get a similar size,fully capable, PC (EEE) for much less money, and use either SOTI or Mymobiler with a 2x Zoom factor.
Next step would be using Kaiser as a SideShow device for EEE:
funny:using the PC for controlling the Kaiser, and using the Kaiser for controlling the PC!
LOL!!!!
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The Redfly has a software that has to be installed on the phone to make it bigger and better quality, however it doesn't work for video playback. Plus I found out it doesn't work with Skyfire Browser.
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it better work with opera or thats a deal killer
Posted using my Redfly and Opera Mini...
So the Redfly experience so far is good. Not great, but good. This is a new product so inevitably it should get better provided Celio (mfg'r) listens to user communities like XDA.
Pros -
Instant On
Instant Connect with USB and BlueTooth
Usable Screen Size/Experience
Usable Web Browsing
Keyboard Controls (Alt-Tab, Windows Key, Function Keys)
Size for Experience
Light Weight
Long Battery Life
Cons -
Does not replace a full fledged PC (if you're expecting that)
Amplifies limitations of WinMo outside of its native form factor (I'm running Sleuth 6.1 on a TyTN II)
No Video/Audio playback on the device
If you're looking for a full fledged PC experience out of this, its not going to happen. IMHO given natural progression of technology and improvements in WinMo devices (SW and HW) this could take the place of a laptop eventually.
For those looking at this vs an EEE or something similar, I'd like t see them put the PC up to their ear to take a phone call, also your still carrying two devices which are mutually exclusive vs a single device with an auxiliary piece of hardare that enhances the experience of the core device (only when needed).
whats up everybody?! i supposed to be getting money back from school from my pell grant and hopefully i will have enough to get me a new laptop or desktop. im a little confused on which one i should buy...which will be the better option and why?? hopefully i will get around $700
Laptop - more flexibilty.
PC - can't take it anywhere.
What do you want to do with it??
Gaming? buy a desktop
You want Ergonomic? buy a desktop
Acces your stuff everywere? buy a laptop
Overloaded pretty much said it had a laptop then realised it never left my desk so bought a desktop much cheaper than a laptop and no where near the spec. If you do get a desktop look into self building it, even today its much cheaper and not that scary for a first timer.
You just need to work out what you do with it.
yeah gaming == desktop
otherwise laptop even if one likes
a big screen and keyboard and mouse
it's easy to connect to the laptop when places at the work desk
is this a good deal for a pc?
http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-PAVILION-ELITE-M9417C-AMD-QUAD-CORE-PROCESSOR-9550_W0QQitemZ290346024672QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item4399f8bee0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Depends on what your gonna do. If most of the time you are stationary, then a desktop is the way to go but if your always moving (not at home) then a laptop is the best choice.
+1 for laptop
well when im on the computer all i do is browse the net, save and edit pics and videos and burn cd's and dvd's. i was leaning towards getting a refurbed Hp DV7z for $579 but i realized that the warranty is only for three months so now im looking at the DV6z directly from HP....is that a better decision for less computer?
Both are good, but if you've got a WM device you can easily take a lot of docs and other files with you in place of a laptop. But if you need to do a lot of work/school realted things on the go, laptop is the best, if not get a PC.
Hi buddy
If money does not matter then I would go go for laptop.But it also depends on your use.I mean you want to put it on one particular place Or just buying for the game then go for desktop
i dont game at all
Desktop!!!!
Its more powerfull, less hot, much more customizable!!!
I have a desktop PC -- 13 tabs open in opera, WMP playing music, skype, utorent, and a pc game which is on pause + lots of more progs open!!! can a laptop, which costs below 1000$, do that? - NO!!!
if you want portability + power!!! get a laptop which costs about 3000$ or more!!! or get a Desktop and a Windows Mobile Device!!!
So not a gamer that can cut down cost alot $700 going to try and convert this to what in UK could purchase?
A cheap desktop ex catalogue, ex business p4.
A laptop portable net book Eeepc 701 4G "not easy to use when first purchased due to sceen size but soon get used to it"
Now you have best of both worlds a permanent set up "that you could upgrade RAM GPU etc" and a diddy laptop to take everywhere with you
Lap top!
Toshiba
Eee
Dell
as said earlier Desktop- for more power or Laptop- for more portability! Though newer higher-end laptops can almost match desktop power, they mostly cost alot more and you can get lower-end desktops real cheap nowadays aswel. But in the end, in my opinion, laptop would give more ease and satisfaction! You cld get a decent one in on your bugdet!
Do you live at one place most of the time? If yes, get a PC. If you move around a lot, get a laptop.
OR
Get a PC and a smarphone.
Do not get anything that is below laptop level - netbooks, smartbooks, tablets, umpcs, mids, etc. They all suck if you don't have a primary machine like a desktop or a laptop.
Cheers.
It depends on what you do.
Laptop is convinient and you can take it to anywhere. But if you always play games or watch movies you'd better get a desktop.
Laptops can do anything including being docked as a desktop!
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Laptops can do anything including being docked as a desktop!
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maybe, BUT a laptop which costs about 700$ CANT !!!
can it play crysis - NO
can it do some massive visualisation - NO
can it handle 20 pages opened in Opera browser + windows media player + a game running in background - NO
but of course there are possitive aspects of it like:
Can you sit with it, in a lap on our bed - YES
Can you sit with it in a bus stop, with a hope that someone wont gop-stop (steal ) it from you - YES
Hey guys,
Well I wish to start a small project, where a computer should be able to access wireless internet (3G/HSDPA), WiFi, make calls, maybe use bluetooth, etc... Then I realized that my old HTC TyTn II has all that features... And its faster than the PC im gonne use.
Problem is my HTC screen cracked. So I cant see anything. Thats why I wondered if its possible to set up a Headless Linux System. With that in place I could prob traffic all the things I need via usbnet to the PC (like internet).
The purpose...
Well the reason for this project is a small computer in my car. I ripped out a old laptop and started mounting it in my car. The laptop will then be used to control the HTC, seeing as I doubt one can add external inputs on the HTC. My laptop also has a 10GB HDD and a working screen. So a combo of the two seems fair...
Any advice on this would be very appreciated!
Thanks in advance.
Xethron
I am about to do the same, replacing radio console.
I have some touchscreen lifebooks for this purpose, you can get one for
$100 $200 in miserable state, but to disassemble, who cares
idea was to change dpi in XP and replace explorer on startup, put a 8 button big startup window, with gps, media, video, internet
now you can hook up mobile by "Pocket Controller" it's a reverse remote desktop. you see mobile screen on pc
hope this get you some ideas
How insane is it that you have a computer that is slower then your phone?
There is a program to remote control your phone, I forget the name.
would it be the one I wrote in prev post
you can buy it at soti.net. working pretty good.
no, this one is free. I shall do some digging.
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Cha Ching
http://www.mtux.com/
and a friend suggested this one.
http://www.julien-manici.com/
can't understand how could I have missed this when I was searching for one, and it's pretty old too. good tip, though too late for me.
Hey guys,
Thanks allot for the replies... I tried MyMobiler but it doesn't want to connect and seeing that I cant see the screen I am not sure whats happening... Appart from that you guys seem to be misunderstanding me totally!
Problem 1, MyMobiler only runs on windows, and I run Linux...
Problem 2, scripts cant be excecuted on the fly and communications between my two computers wont be possible with Windows Mobile.
Problem 3, Windows mobile crashes and my system will fail totally if my system ever crashes!
Besides, windows mobile have allot of junk I dont need. All I want is a simple Linux system on my HTC on which I can ssh in that will give no video output nor receive input from hardware, but that acts completely as a headless system.
It would also be cool if someone can tell me what hardware I can remove and how (Like the screen) in order to minimize power requirements...
So all I need is a version of Linux and a guide to install it so that all the functions work...
Hope this makes more sense...
Xethron
no Xethron, we didn't misunderstood you. I simply wrote what is my concept of laptop in car and ChumleyEX reacted further on my post too.
winmo is not stable, we all know that, but you should know too that linux is not so on winmo devices too. and that it is much more unstable.
It would be very nice indeed if there was no windows at all and everybody would be using linux, but if that would happen, linux would be the same commercial crap as is windows now, because that's what people are after. and that's the market. Nice fancy easy crap.
Though I encourage you to go with your linux idea, with a lot of effort, there could be perfect solution, but again, it would be much easier to just use what we've got.
If you would look around here, you'll see that on xda-dev you'll find a lot of solutions how to make a very tiny and fast winmo ROM. Stripped of all the crap. You can learn here how to strip even more, leaving only kernel + some drivers if you want.
What hw can you disconnect. I reckon you mean from pda. As you said screen backlight, that's a power eater, otherwise, devices could be turned ON/OFF from sw, which would by much safer/easier way. And you said you want to use them. instead, if you'll connect external antenna, that would spare you a lot of power while transmitting.
You should write more specific questions in order to get specific answers.
for example I am not getting it why you would want to spare 20mA consumption on some pda device and not better think about replacing HDD by CF card or ssd?
what would be your application requirements?
back for using pda in linux, it's in test state, you won't find any better working linux in pda as here. no one is hiding it nowhere. bluetooth is not working yet, phone functions are limited. wifi ok, but I doubt you could route it to PC.
as I doubt one can add external inputs on the HTC
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yes you can. bluetooth can create virtual com ports. there are BT keyboards, pointing devices too. and generally anything else what uses com port could be made. even video can go out. (all just in windows of course)
for the pda remote programs:
you need a client on pda side. it's automatic simple installation. You may try soti controller it have trial period, with that one, you only need to press left soft key on kaiser to confirm client install. After you'll have this one workingt you would be able to see what you would need with the other one.
wow... that was a useful post!
The reason I want to use the phone is so that my PC can do all the things my phone can do... Reasons for this would be the following.
I come to my car. My phone syncs via bluetooth remotely to unlock my car. I get into car. Type password. Security system goes down... I stream songs via bluetooth to my pc which plays on the car speakers. I get out. Phone looses bluetooth connection and locks automatically. Someone comes and opens the door. PC picks up door is open and sets off an alarm. Phone calls me, and sends me a sms of the GPS location... If I dont respond it sends a email to all my friends. I connect to my car via ssh and keep track of its current position. depending on other connections I have made (Like you said bluetooth might be a good bet) i can controll parts of the car via ssh. Maybe install a fuel cutoff switch or whatever. With allot of effort I get my car back. Come home. It syncs wia wifi. New music gets uploaded... And my car is ready for day 2!
Simple direction of where I wanne go...
So now that you understand what I want to do... The linux on my HTC was a way for me to simply control the hardware and run a few small scripts... Wanne run some security scripts on the HTC instead of PC because it has the backup battery and the laptop will be running off the car battery...
I really don't care how we do this... But I know it must be possible to do all this somehow...
Let me know if you have some rad other ideas... As you can see I do not really want to "see" wats going on on my phone... It must be there like the PC of a car... Tell you the tempreture on some LCD. Let you know the water level is fine... But you dont see the PC... Thats my idea anyway...
Thanks for your help so far
I come to my car. My phone syncs via bluetooth remotely to unlock my car. I get into car. Type password. Security system goes down...
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I get out. Phone looses bluetooth connection and locks automatically.
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bluetooth is a secure way, but not very safe, I've been using 3 different Hsets, with 2 diff phones, it kept on loosing connection and some even pairing. other thing, you need to iniciate BT connection (not always with audio, but yes with activesync) that means no touch-less access. and the last is battery consuption. I've been reading long time ago about an application for garage doors based on wifi connections. they discussed BT as well, decided wifi would be much better, try google (open garage wifi) there is even an soft for pda for this.
but there are $50 - $80 ready applications, it's years out there, I reckon the last version would be very reliable.
There is option to put serial GPS, which you can get off ebay for $50 (here is 5pcs for $50 now, if you'll buy it, i'll get two off you)
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/5-LOT-Garmin...tem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35a9b4b768
and the application:
http://www.bladox.com/products.php?lang=en
and I saw other brand with the same thing too.
with this bladox, you can simply set that if you take out key and open & close drivers doors it would lock with timer (that's option what most of available classic alarms too) or a button to lock with timer to leave could be hooked up.
you can set plenty of outputs and inputs, freely configurable. e.g remotely shut the engine, horn the horn, knock on window function...
consuption would be around 20mA on charging mobile. with car battery 100mA is a concern and 200mA permanent current is an issue. (all time running PC = 2A = 2000mA = NO WAY)
locking-unlocking could be done through ring (without answering) or sms.
I would say ring is pretty safe, as who would go through trouble of tempering with gsm switch control to fake your caller ID? (+ who would know about you have this setup + know your car phene num and your phone number)
and if a friend would call you he forget a wallet in your car, you don't need to get up of bed to unlock, just dial.
I stream songs via bluetooth to my pc which plays on the car speakers.
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audio quality isn't 100% plus maybe switching/pairing and your mobile needs to be on a charge for playing longer through BT -> no wireless.
use your phone in a disk drive mode and play from PC in car OR
your pda in car through SD to USB adapter (TwinMOS GoGo Egg Card Reader)
there would be limit 64GB for sure, maybe 2GB limit (is it SDHC compatible?)
I don't know nothing about it, only that it exists
Someone comes and opens the door. PC picks up door is open and sets off an alarm. Phone calls me, and sends me a sms of the GPS location.
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bladox can do + power on your PC which would start streaming video from web cam, you can call to car and tell the guy how he looks like and where he's going and that police is already waiting there.
It must be there like the PC of a car... Tell you the tempreture on some LCD. Let you know the water level is fine...
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ha, stop dreaming get OBD II and live it!
connect your car engine through cable OR WIFI!! to PC or PDA!! and look at all temperatures, compression levels, exhaust system, error msgs, and if you like make it active and let your car know you feel like having fun now, or maybe more econo mode other time.
OBD II - all cars since yr 96 on US market, $50 -$100 for interface (soft free)