I know it's purely cosmetics, but cosmetically speaking, if there was a version of compiz that could run on Android with all the settings... I'm thinking smooth rotating desktop cube with 4 virtual desktops vs the current 3-screen swipy desktop... or window animations, etc... with the same silky smooth animation that you get from compiz in ubuntu.... Just imagining this on Android... all the iPhone users jaws would drop open at the sight of a smooth spinning cube desktop and windows that burst into flames, etc.
So my question to the devs... I am not a developer... Is this dream of mine of a Android-Compiz app at all possible?
It's possible, but I've heard that there is NO hardware acceleration on the G1 at the moment. Everythings being rendered with software.
Also, Compiz wouldn't be worth the battery life. Yes, it's sexy, but remember that this is a phone. I wouldn't trade what little battery life we already have for that.
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It's possible, but I've heard that there is NO hardware acceleration on the G1 at the moment. Everythings being rendered with software.
Also, Compiz wouldn't be worth the battery life. Yes, it's sexy, but remember that this is a phone. I wouldn't trade what little battery life we already have for that.
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Umm you're wrong about hardware acceleration, it certainly does have it, just take a look at the demo app qualcomm made to show off the chipset. That said, it's a PHONE. If you can manage to get all the compiz effects working smoothly on a 528MHz single core computer with 192MB of RAM and a really crappy onboard graphics chip then sure, it'll work(i.e. no, this phone has nowhere near the processing power needed to have compiz working, hell it doesn't even have full OpenGL, it's OpenGL ES)
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Umm you're wrong about hardware acceleration, it certainly does have it, just take a look at the demo app qualcomm made to show off the chipset.
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480 x 320 screen resolution helps with the prcoessing needs... and compiz is highly configurable... I'll bet if the app (or one inspired by compiz) could be made to run on Android, it would be a matter of adjusting the right modest settings...
People don't buy iPhones for the battery life, and they don't even buy iPhones for the phone. The phone is like the cherry on top. They buy iPhones for the pure eye candy bliss.
All I'm saying is... don't under estimate the value of eye candy in the consumer market, and if Android had a compiz like app it would kill the iPhone on eye candy.
I want windows transitions to explode into flames, or fade in and out, or spin out of sight (similar to the page 1/page 2 transition for the 'toggle settings' app)... I want the desktop to be a rotating cube with 4 to 6 virtual desktops that spins as fast as I can slide my finger across the screen and eventually come to a smooth stop.
Just saying... it would kill the iPhone. Kill it. And it would sell a lot of G1s.
Doesn't compiz require x-windows to work?
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Doesn't compiz require x-windows to work?
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Exactly, I had the same question.
What is the android window environment? It's not an x-windows, is it?
Good question, I don't know... but even so, seems like there could be a way to do it.
Like the existing swipey desktop... if it could be made into a revolving cube with 4 sides. And then to add widgets to any of the 4 virtual desktops (in the same way that we have 3 virtual desktops now)
I ask this all from a very humble, non-developer position... Just wanted to plant the seed in case there were any developers who thought it might be possible.
Android runs on the framebuffer -- there is no X.
The hardware acceleration for graphics is being used (videos wouldn't play without it, for instance). Comparatively, it's probably something like an old TNT graphics card (but with hardware acceleration for h264 and such).
There's a tiny chance in hell it could pull off very basic compiz features... but it would hose the system... (and require that you run X -- which would require you installing your own software base separate from and without Android).
No one's going to put in the effort for methinks, especially when it would so cripple the phone.
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Android runs on the framebuffer -- there is no X.
The hardware acceleration for graphics is being used (videos wouldn't play without it, for instance). Comparatively, it's probably something like an old TNT graphics card (but with hardware acceleration for h264 and such).
There's a tiny chance in hell it could pull off very basic compiz features... but it would hose the system... (and require that you run X -- which would require you installing your own software base separate from and without Android).
No one's going to put in the effort for methinks, especially when it would so cripple the phone.
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My thoughts exactly. Another thing I thought of is that the vast majority of compiz effects have to do with windows and the G1 doesn't really have separate windows so I don't see how it would work. Desktop Cube might be possible and maybe some fancier animation for bringing up programs but aside from that, I don't even see what compiz effects would be applicable.
I think Cube Desktop (with rotation speed determined by how fast your finger slides across the screen) and windows transitions (burn, spin, flip, fade, slide etc) would be a great place to start!
Well since android is OPEN SOURCE we could create a compiz for android using the window management libraries that we will also need to create and build this ontop of cyanogenmod
The cube animation is offered in rogros82's home replacement on the market called GDE, I'M CURRENTLY USING IT, the best home replacement app to date!
Have to agree there aren't many of the compiz effects that would apply to the Android world. Cube/Sphere desktop & window animations are really about it. As far as that goes GDE (launcher replacement) does most of what makes sense to adopt from compiz. I have been using it for about a week & it uses 2% battery on average. The application dock it comes with is nice too.
If someone wanted to look into making their own compiz-like effects, You could start by digging around OMS code to see how they got cube and all working. Like I said though most of it has been done already, and is just a few bucks on the market.
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The cube animation is offered in rogros82's home replacement on the market called GDE, I'M CURRENTLY USING IT, the best home replacement app to date!
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You beat me to it. GDE is a great app though. Being able to switch themes easily is also a nice feature.
GDE running now looks great.!
eats my battery i think but nice 2 have
Well I know the Samsung Behold 2 has an inside cube animation effect with it's home/launcher but I wouldn't know how to pull it from the SB2 and port it to the Dream.
That's just an idea for the devs...
GO Launcher EX
GO Launcher EX has the cube animations built in it's effects for home screen and app drawer.. It works well
So does ADW EX.
Great way to bring a thread back from the grave...
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I know it's purely cosmetics, but cosmetically speaking, if there was a version of compiz that could run on Android with all the settings... I'm thinking smooth rotating desktop cube with 4 virtual desktops vs the current 3-screen swipy desktop... or window animations, etc... with the same silky smooth animation that you get from compiz in ubuntu.... Just imagining this on Android... all the iPhone users jaws would drop open at the sight of a smooth spinning cube desktop and windows that burst into flames, etc.
So my question to the devs... I am not a developer... Is this dream of mine of a Android-Compiz app at all possible?
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The ZTE Avid N9120 has this cube. As you add apps, the cube expands the total number of sides it has .
Metropcs offers this phone via best buy and other sources.. worth every penny.
You can extract the cube to a desktop and add it to every phone on earth.
How Awesome Would This Be?!
Compiz on the Galaxy Note 3 or 4 and the Galaxy Edge!? With some special effects that run down the edge of the Edge. That would be fantastic! I personally love cosmetic stuff. Themes, status bar mods from xuimod, or Wanam Exposed. Now if someone could rebuild compiz with burn and cube and wave and wobbly windows! Let me just include one more exclamation point to express my enthusiasm!
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This looks promising! I can't wait till the devs get a hold of this one!
http://www.larvalabs.com/product_pages/intelligent_home_screen.html
Imo this blows MotoBlur and Sense UI out of the water. Looks great and much more efficient than the standad launcher. I hope addons will be vailable in the market to add new notifications for things like facebook. I think I'm more excited about this than flash..
it does seem promising but will it run better and/or as well than the standard Sense UI or the MotoBlur?
This looks very, very trick.
And you posted this in development why?
But I do like that interface idea. WinMo 6.5 anyone?
Was just about to post this loool, lucky i searched to see if i was the only one with the news.
Looks awesome, if someone ports this etc.. it will be great.
this looks very very promising!
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And you posted this in development why?
But I do like that interface idea. WinMo 6.5 anyone?
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I agree, for me if I wanted a homescreen like that I would just stick to WinMo. Well, probably don't want the thing crashing on me so I wouldn't go with WinBlows. Hehe, but I assume some people find it more useable, wouldn't it be better as a full-screen widget of some sort? that way you could still use the multiple home screens, just have the larva labs one on the main screen... hmmm
Looks interesting. I'm waiting for it.
On the other hand, this is an app, not a ROM development deal, so I moved the thread.
So essentially this is just a double-ended windowshade? Drag down to see notifications and up to see widgets? I still prefer the standard setup where notifications remain in the minimized windowshade until it's dragged down. It also seems this would make it more cumbersome to launch apps.
IMO Larva Labs should stick to making games.
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I agree, for me if I wanted a homescreen like that I would just stick to WinMo. Well, probably don't want the thing crashing on me so I wouldn't go with WinBlows. Hehe, but I assume some people find it more useable, wouldn't it be better as a full-screen widget of some sort? that way you could still use the multiple home screens, just have the larva labs one on the main screen... hmmm
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As a widget you wouldn't be able to drag, as it would drag the widget itself, so it would have to use buttons instead...
I'm not impressed.
HOWEVER, I am conducting beta testing/bug detection for SweeterHome.
WOW! should you see some of the features that SH will be coming out with!
I can't wait till it is finalized! It's working great right now - but, there are several more features that are being developed and some final tweaks that have to be made.
This program has a cool concept... But, I still want to be able to see my wallpaper, my widgets, etc.
This app is just too plain vanilla.
Wouldnt this be a good idea if it just took up one screen, instead of being the only one? That way people could loook at all their cool widgets and what not
i want to try this
From what I heard it's a lockscreen? =\
So it's similar to Flyscreen, but only with one screen?
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So it's similar to Flyscreen, but only with one screen?
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Flyscreen is not a home replacement, this is.
I would like this as a lock screen also.
But
Sweeter home ftw
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I'm not impressed.
HOWEVER, I am conducting beta testing/bug detection for SweeterHome.
WOW! should you see some of the features that SH will be coming out with!
I can't wait till it is finalized! It's working great right now - but, there are several more features that are being developed and some final tweaks that have to be made.
This program has a cool concept... But, I still want to be able to see my wallpaper, my widgets, etc.
This app is just too plain vanilla.
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I have a grudge against the dev of Sweeter Home for taking so long to update his HR :/
And it won't pass till the new release is available and I can steadily use it as my default HS.
Regarding SH - The dev is working on SH when not at work. She had a project at her regular job that took up ALL of her time and she had to abandon her personal projects for awhile. She is now working hard on SH again. But, because of her constant updates and some cool innovations that she doesn't want to be stolen she is only allowing a very few people to beta test (also, she gets enough info from the beta testers she has to stay busy - more testers would just complicate her job). But, she is making a LOT of progress. She has about five or six completely new features, it runs smoother, and looks great so far. Just be patient.
Didn't mean to highjack this thread. I like the idea behind this app. But, I wouldn't want it as a home replacement. It would be nice if it could operate as a window shade. A user could decide the screen to place the shade pull on and on what side of that screen. Then the user could pull it out select an option and the shade would draw back as the selection implemented. Or, while adjusting the app it would stay open until the "close shade" button was selected.
That IMHO would be a MUCH better option than a home screen replacement.
Hey guys found this over at android spin. I think it looks pretty damn cool. I just wonder how piratical it will be for day to day use. I mean we can always use more software to complicate our UI.
http://www.tat.se/home/
Whoa! I'm excited for this, if the implementation turns out as smoothly as it looks.
It's like Sense: The Sequel.
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Whoa! I'm excited for this, if the implementation turns out as smoothly as it looks.
It's like Sense: The Sequel.
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you mean Sense's ugly cousin. Sense all day everyday! brings out the color in my screen
Of course in taking closer looks it's important to separate WOO SHINY EYECANDY from... actually useful.
E.G. will this make my device better, or just get in the way?
In terms of that it's hit and miss. But I do like, for instance, the means of setting the alarm clock (why go into a different screen? This solution seems quick and intuitive), and the 'folding' UI elements - such as the SMS widget, etc. If you don't need them, they fold out of the way. One problem I had with Sense is that most every widget commands the full screen, not leaving me space for much else, regardless of whether or not I'm using the widget at the time.
The widget 'fan' is interesting but I think I prefer the typical 'card' view. The ability to easily drag widgets and shortcuts directly to specific screens is certainly a time saver.
I'm curious to see where this will go in its final iteration -- much like concept cars, everything looks shiny and pretty, but the final product ends up stripping out a lot of the shiny pretty eyecandy in lieu of more practical, intuitive fare.
Good UI design, after all, should be transparent.
ide take this "ugly cousin" over sense any day
+1 Sense is to bulky and doesn't fare well for everyday use. The screens taken for the video were taken fron a MT3G so hopefully we will see that level of smoothness from 1st gen android devices TAT Home is just one of a ton a exciting new things that came out at MWC, cant wait for the beta to drop.
Here is some stuff from an email reply I got from TAT.
We are currently in alfa and expect to reach beta in a couple of weeks.
After that, we will slowly but surely start to roll out the preview to some of the 17,000 people who've signed up so far,
starting with specific Android versions and screen resolutions as we won't target all of them in the first version.
If your are lucky and make it to the list of testers, you'll hear from us in a month or so
I don't remember what forum it was but someone also posted an email reply and they stated that the Nexus1 screen res is supported at start. I also think the G1 should be gtg because it looks like a HTC Hero in the vid.
Greetings!
I got my phone a few days ago to upgrade from my tilt 2 and it just feels like going from a Athlon 64 to a i7 LOL
A few things that are not quite there yet like the playstation emulation is no quite on par with what I have seen on Windows mobile..compatibility wise...I cannot get www.veoh.com to play even with Skyfiew and even southparkstudios is not quite as smooth (although much better looking) than on my tilt2 but I guess when Froyo is out the problems with Flash will be gone.
The main thing I want to work with now is making the home screen look more like my Tilt2 Energy ROM that I like so much.
I got the Launcher Pro + but I cannot even figure how to change clock and to show weather animation on the home page like the Energy Rom...or even if that is possible.
Any help is welcome.
PS Has anyone gotten the Amiga emulator to work yet?
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Greetings!
I got my phone a few days ago to upgrade from my tilt 2 and it just feels like going from a Athlon 64 to a i7 LOL
A few things that are not quite there yet like the playstation emulation is no quite on par with what I have seen on Windows mobile..compatibility wise...I cannot get www.veoh.com to play even with Skyfiew and even southparkstudios is not quite as smooth (although much better looking) than on my tilt2 but I guess when Froyo is out the problems with Flash will be gone.
The main thing I want to work with now is making the home screen look more like my Tilt2 Energy ROM that I like so much.
I got the Launcher Pro + but I cannot even figure how to change clock and to show weather animation on the home page like the Energy Rom...or even if that is possible.
Any help is welcome.
PS Has anyone gotten the Amiga emulator to work yet?
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The closest I can find to what you want is launcher pro and beautiful widgets (adds the home widget with the large clock + weather a la energy rom) hope that helps
Thanks.
I found fancy widgets which looks just like HTC.
Unfortunately the only live weather I have found takes a lot of resources unlike the one for our HTC phones so I guess I would have to wait a bit more on that one.
Regards
For appointments on your home page, try "agenda widget", It's great and very customizable. You can make it look just like sense, but even better in my opinion.
Thanks mate...is looking better already and this fun is just freaking awesome
I just need scummvm to be happier and a working amiga emulator as well.
I remember a thread on here a while ago where people were theming to get the Windows Phone 7 look. There's now a launcher on the market called Launcher 7 that does most of the work for you, you should check it out.
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Just tried it out. Its very smooth, and its the best one I have come across.
im enjoying this launcher,its really smooth.
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Definitely. If there's one thing that I'd like to see more of on the Market, it's more "alternative" launchers like this. Launcher Pro, ADW, Go, etc. all have their differences, but they're more or less the same in that they're all plays off of the whole multiple homescreen and a dock thing. It's nice to see new ideas out there. I remember a while back there was a launcher that showed all of your texts, email, facebook notifications, etc. in kind of an agenda view. It never really took off, but it's good to see devs think outside the box about the homescreen.
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Definitely. If there's one thing that I'd like to see more of on the Market, it's more "alternative" launchers like this. Launcher Pro, ADW, Go, etc. all have their differences, but they're more or less the same in that they're all plays off of the whole multiple homescreen and a dock thing. It's nice to see new ideas out there. I remember a while back there was a launcher that showed all of your texts, email, facebook notifications, etc. in kind of an agenda view. It never really took off, but it's good to see devs think outside the box about the homescreen.
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I strongly agree
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Because thats the core of how android to this point is intended to work. I like Launcher7, its fast, smooth and functional so I play with it here and there but the tile UI is comparatively bland and boring even with widget support (and the custom ones I've seen that arent bland and boring are WAY too busy). I'm gonna put it on my wifes phone since she'll love the big ass simple tiles concept.
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Because thats the core of how android to this point is intended to work. I like Launcher7, its fast, smooth and functional so I play with it here and there but the tile UI is comparatively bland and boring even with widget support (and the custom ones I've seen that arent bland and boring are WAY too busy). I'm gonna put it on my wifes phone since she'll love the big ass simple tiles concept.
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sir I want to say this without coming off as a hater at all..
but that homescreen needs a little bit of work, it looks gaudy and awful!
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sir I want to say this without coming off as a hater at all..
but that homescreen needs a little bit of work, it looks gaudy and awful!
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without using custom images those 2x1 and 1x1 tiles (and the headphone/camera images) are all there is. I'm not going to spend anytime importing images because I like my android phone as an android phone and it wont get any use anyway. I was basically showing how the UI looks unmolested.
OK, so I've had a chance to play around with a few Honeycomb tablets at Best Buy now (Xoom, Samsung Galaxy 10.1, Acer Iconia) and it's got me wondering: what's the big fuss about Honeycomb?
Is it all under the skin, APIs and memory managment and stuff? Because honestly, from just the few minutes I spent with those tablets I don't see any real user interface advantages vs. my Nook Color running Phiremod and ADW Pro + Fancy Widgets.
Probably a more streamlined experience for tablets.
Still rocking the Incredible with the XDA Premium App.
I've been using Honeycomb on my Nook for the past day or two, and the advantages are far more than skin deep. For me, it's all about screen useage. Apps written for Honeycomb take much better advantage of the large screens. The Gmail app alone is almost reason enough for me to want Honeycomb full time. And Twitter apps that are coded for HC can doo stuff like multiple columns, etc.
So on the whole, nothing is vastly different. But the ability of the OS and apps to fill the screen with more useful info, instead of just stretching, is what does it for me.
Also, the browser does bookmark sync to Chrome, which rocks.
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OK, so I've had a chance to play around with a few Honeycomb tablets at Best Buy now (Xoom, Samsung Galaxy 10.1, Acer Iconia) and it's got me wondering: what's the big fuss about Honeycomb?
Is it all under the skin, APIs and memory managment and stuff? Because honestly, from just the few minutes I spent with those tablets I don't see any real user interface advantages vs. my Nook Color running Phiremod and ADW Pro + Fancy Widgets.
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You need to really get into the apps to see, it just uses the screen better, for example the email app shows your email list on the left and the email content on the right, the contacts list shows the contact list to the left and the contacts to the right. The main screen can hold more icons and widgets in places while still keeping a easily viewable dpi.
That said HC on the Nook is not ready for primetime yet, so these "better" apps aren't worth the loss of features you get from not running CM7 or similar.
Is there a underlying reason an email/gmail app couldn't be made for gingerbread to look like those on honeycomb. Dolphin HD already uses the screen very well with tabs in the browser. App support is still better in gingerbread for now, and I would love if some core apps simply took advantage of an extra column.
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Is there a underlying reason an email/gmail app couldn't be made for gingerbread to look like those on honeycomb. Dolphin HD already uses the screen very well with tabs in the browser. App support is still better in gingerbread for now, and I would love if some core apps simply took advantage of an extra column.
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Could they? Sure, by coding it to split. Kaiten does this, it has a custom splitter between the emails and the email body.
But no you can't just force random apps to "act like they're on Honeycomb" as it uses the Fragments UI elements which are ONLY in Honeycomb.
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Could they? Sure, by coding it to split. Kaiten does this, it has a custom splitter between the emails and the email body.
But no you can't just force random apps to "act like they're on Honeycomb" as it uses the Fragments UI elements which are ONLY in Honeycomb.
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I think you misunderstand him. He means is there a reason Gmail could not be coded to do the same things and look the same on pre-Honeycomb versions. The answer is no, there is no reason you couldn't do that, but because of how Google is handling this they won't release a whole new backwards compatible Gmail app. But if you were talented enough at programming you could make a Froyo our Gingerbread mail app that functions like that.
I can't be positive, but I would guess Google doesn't want to do that because of the fact it would screw up those with low-res phone screens who didn't know not to load *that* Gmail.
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Some people just don't want a working Netflix app I guess.
(I would like the HC orientation lock though).
Read again, that is exactly what I said......
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Could they? Sure, by coding it to split. Kaiten does this, it has a custom splitter between the emails and the email body.
But no you can't just force random apps to "act like they're on Honeycomb" as it uses the Fragments UI elements which are ONLY in Honeycomb.
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I have yet to find a gingerbread/froyo widget that does the email count widget in Honeycomb (" XY emails", in big transparent text).
I liked it, went looking - nada.
But yeah - a great example would be XBMC Remote -- when you pick a video to play, it's hard-coded in "phone" mode, the details screen - takes up about 1/4th the width of my tablet - looks like ****.
The big deal is because that is what they are running..they are not running 2.2 or 2.3 but 3.1 of HC..and since they are running those..does it not make sense to see it improved?