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Has anyone figured out a quicker way to turn on A2DP BT connection? It takes way too many clicks and very difficult to do with finger. The best solution is a one-finger-click icon in HTC Today. Moreover, how can I create a shortcut to wireless manager? It's not one of the application listed on the list.
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Has anyone figured out a quicker way to turn on A2DP BT connection? It takes way too many clicks and very difficult to do with finger. The best solution is a one-finger-click icon in HTC Today. Moreover, how can I create a shortcut to wireless manager? It's not one of the application listed on the list.
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This is a today screen plug-in that makes it very simple.
http://www.teksoftco.com/index.php?section=freeware
It also accepts command line input without any today screen plug-in.
http://www.teksoftco.com/forum/view...&start=0&sid=d3a5b66ef3286da12120d6ad0992e781
Surur
i dont really know what you mean, once i paired mine they just work? do you mean turning bluetooth on and off?
fusi said:
i dont really know what you mean, once i paired mine they just work? do you mean turning bluetooth on and off?
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Here is what I need to do when I want to listen to music through my BT stereo headset
1. Click on the Wireless Manager icon on HTCHomePlugin.
2. Click on Settings
3. Select Bluetooth
4. Click and Hold on the name of my BT headset (with stylus)
5. Select "Set as Wireless Stereo"
6. Start Windows Media Player and so on.......
Not exactly fast and easy.
surur said:
This is a today screen plug-in that makes it very simple.
http://www.teksoftco.com/index.php?section=freeware
It also accepts command line input without any today screen plug-in.
http://www.teksoftco.com/forum/view...&start=0&sid=d3a5b66ef3286da12120d6ad0992e781
Surur
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Perfect! Exactly what I'm looking for.
Thank you
on my Sony BT30Qs I just have to press the play button on the earpiece and it will connect
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on my Sony BT30Qs I just have to press the play button on the earpiece and it will connect
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Must be the bluetooth implementation on the device - yours sounds nice. I purchased some Musicfan A2DP speakers recently and I also have to go throught the laborious process mentioned above.
My Procedure -
1. Comm Manager and turn on Bluetooth
2. turn on my headset
3. start Windows Media Player
Now - if I leave Bluetooth on all the time (which I have started to do since the threads on 'the battery lasts longer with bluetooth on and no headset on' then that simply leaves the last two options - not sure how to get more simple than that on my TILT.
Bill
Hi all,
I've just bought my first HTC unit ever (Kaiser), which is also my first Windows Mobile Phone (I used PocketPCs since 2001 but with no integrated phone so far), and it seems to have a lot of issues in the areas of "regular phone" functionality.
However, the one that is really freaking me out so far is the whole "Bluetooth audio" area. I'm just wondering whether I would ever be able to get what I want or am I asking too much.
I have 3 Bluetooth audio devices, all of them are dual Headset/Headphone ones: in-car fixed Motorola T605, Jabra BT8010 and Plantronics 590. Now, naturally, I want to use the T605 in the car, Jabra for phone calls only throughout the day and for music occasionally, and Plantronics when I'm in the gym, for both music and occasional incoming phone calls.
I had all this working flawlessly with my SonyEricsson K800i phone: each device connected to the phone automatically when powered up and automatically took over both Headset and Headphone functions. The only minor problem was reconnecting Jabra when stepping out of the car, which required only a short tap on the button.
Now, with Kaiser, things are much more complicated. When a device (any of them) is connected to the phone, both as Headset and Headphones, it works mostly OK, although sometimes there is a problem of sound not coming through the device when an incoming call was answered while playing music. The music is suspended OK, but the sound comes from the phone speaker instead of the respective Bluetooth device. This happens from time to time, not always.
But the biggest problem is the initial connection of a device after another one has already been connected. When I enter my car and fire up the engine, I want the T605 to automatically connect to the phone even if Jabra has already been connected. This I was unable to achieve. Instead, I have to manually disconnect Jabra (by powering it off or temporarily powering off Bluetooth on the phone) and then manually connect the phone with the T605, for both Headset and Wireless Music (two actions required!). Now, for me, this is unacceptable.
Moreover, when I arrive to a destination and want to step out of the car, I have to manually reconnect my Jabra to the Kaiser, again, through the phone’s Bluetooth settings as described above. A short tap on Jabra’s button no longer works for this purpose, in opposite to SE K800i.
Making the long story short, this is completely unacceptable behavior for me, and I haven’t found so far a way to make it the way I need it.
Any advices?
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Hi all,
I've just bought my first HTC unit ever (Kaiser), which is also my first Windows Mobile Phone (I used PocketPCs since 2001 but with no integrated phone so far), and it seems to have a lot of issues in the areas of "regular phone" functionality.
However, the one that is really freaking me out so far is the whole "Bluetooth audio" area. I'm just wondering whether I would ever be able to get what I want or am I asking too much.
I have 3 Bluetooth audio devices, all of them are dual Headset/Headphone ones: in-car fixed Motorola T605, Jabra BT8010 and Plantronics 590. Now, naturally, I want to use the T605 in the car, Jabra for phone calls only throughout the day and for music occasionally, and Plantronics when I'm in the gym, for both music and occasional incoming phone calls.
I had all this working flawlessly with my SonyEricsson K800i phone: each device connected to the phone automatically when powered up and automatically took over both Headset and Headphone functions. The only minor problem was reconnecting Jabra when stepping out of the car, which required only a short tap on the button.
Now, with Kaiser, things are much more complicated. When a device (any of them) is connected to the phone, both as Headset and Headphones, it works mostly OK, although sometimes there is a problem of sound not coming through the device when an incoming call was answered while playing music. The music is suspended OK, but the sound comes from the phone speaker instead of the respective Bluetooth device. This happens from time to time, not always.
But the biggest problem is the initial connection of a device after another one has already been connected. When I enter my car and fire up the engine, I want the T605 to automatically connect to the phone even if Jabra has already been connected. This I was unable to achieve. Instead, I have to manually disconnect Jabra (by powering it off or temporarily powering off Bluetooth on the phone) and then manually connect the phone with the T605, for both Headset and Wireless Music (two actions required!). Now, for me, this is unacceptable.
Moreover, when I arrive to a destination and want to step out of the car, I have to manually reconnect my Jabra to the Kaiser, again, through the phone’s Bluetooth settings as described above. A short tap on Jabra’s button no longer works for this purpose, in opposite to SE K800i.
Making the long story short, this is completely unacceptable behavior for me, and I haven’t found so far a way to make it the way I need it.
Any advices?
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Have you tried the Bluetooth fix on HTC's website?
Asking is easy, searching is hard work for some people it seems. No offence..
I'm using Schap's ROM which is supposed to have this fix built-in.
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I'm using Schap's ROM which is supposed to have this fix built-in.
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Ahh. didn't see that in your first post..
I think you are suffering the same prob as many. Every time a BT device comes out, it never seems to work with what we had before. BT protocols are NOT fixed (The IEEE STILL have not fully implemented a specific proto!), they change faster than we change our devices.
As I said before (without meaning any offence) search the whole forum, many threads have been out on this subject and some advice/fixes or equipment references are out there.
Well, I did search these forums and haven't seen someone referring to the same kind of problems I'm having.
Now, regarding your comment about variety of BT devices... I don't buy that. My SE K800i is 1 year old and works perfectly with this combination of devices.
I have pretty extensive experience with Broadcom/Widcomm BT stack on PC and older models of PocketPC (the one I have is IPAQ 5555) and I suspect these foes are direct derivatives from the fact Kaiser uses MS BT stack, which is much inferior. However, it seems nobody was able to make Broadcom/Widcomm stack work on Kaiser so far...
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Well, I did search these forums and haven't seen someone referring to the same kind of problems I'm having.
Now, regarding your comment about variety of BT devices... I don't buy that. My SE K800i is 1 year old and works perfectly with this combination of devices.
I have pretty extensive experience with Broadcom/Widcomm BT stack on PC and older models of PocketPC (the one I have is IPAQ 5555) and I suspect these foes are direct derivatives from the fact Kaiser uses MS BT stack, which is much inferior. However, it seems nobody was able to make Broadcom/Widcomm stack work on Kaiser so far...
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OK, I'm sorry if you don't. I only tried to help. Seem's you've asked a question and have already formed an opinion to it!!!
I have personal experience of Sony's proprietory connection limitations.
My BT works fine on all my devices....will leave you to others.
Looks like I found a partial solution which makes my life almost perfect...
It seems the real problem is taking over Kaiser from a previously connected device. So, if I switch my Jabra off several seconds before I fire up my car's engine, my T605 is able to connect to it. Same goes the other way around, I can turn off the car engine and then fire up the Jabra several seconds later. In this case all is good.
Looks like the MS BT stack is still ill-implemented though, as, for example, when in active Wireless Music BT connection, the device is unable to discover any other Bluetooth devices or to connect to other device's BT serial interface, which makes using external GPS devices difficult.
This could be a problem for me since my car (Citroen C5) has special anti-radiation coating on its windshield which quite effectively screens the satellite signals. Therefore I came up with a solution of having a BT GPS device permanently located in the car (actually, in the driver's seat back pocket) hardwired to the mains as well as to an external GPS antenna. This setup is effectively beating both reception and start-up time problems.
With Kaiser’s limitation on simultaneous BT connections I’m unable to use this setup anymore. Yes, I could bypass using an additional GPS device by connecting the external antenna to Kaiser’s internal GPS, but this looks like a cumbersome solution as I couldn’t find a Kaiser-compatible mounting with a socket for hardwiring an external GPS antenna.
Luckily for me, I still have my old IPAQ loaded with GPS software which I prefer to use for navigation anyway thanks to its significantly bigger screen
mpogr said:
Looks like I found a partial solution which makes my life almost perfect...
It seems the real problem is taking over Kaiser from a previously connected device. So, if I switch my Jabra off several seconds before I fire up my car's engine, my T605 is able to connect to it. Same goes the other way around, I can turn off the car engine and then fire up the Jabra several seconds later. In this case all is good.
Looks like the MS BT stack is still ill-implemented though, as, for example, when in active Wireless Music BT connection, the device is unable to discover any other Bluetooth devices or to connect to other device's BT serial interface, which makes using external GPS devices difficult.
This could be a problem for me since my car (Citroen C5) has special anti-radiation coating on its windshield which quite effectively screens the satellite signals. Therefore I came up with a solution of having a BT GPS device permanently located in the car (actually, in the driver's seat back pocket) hardwired to the mains as well as to an external GPS antenna. This setup is effectively beating both reception and start-up time problems.
With Kaiser’s limitation on simultaneous BT connections I’m unable to use this setup anymore. Yes, I could bypass using an additional GPS device by connecting the external antenna to Kaiser’s internal GPS, but this looks like a cumbersome solution as I couldn’t find a Kaiser-compatible mounting with a socket for hardwiring an external GPS antenna.
Luckily for me, I still have my old IPAQ loaded with GPS software which I prefer to use for navigation anyway thanks to its significantly bigger screen
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Glad to here you have a resolution (albeit a partial one).
Just one thing, why would you want to connect to an external BT GPS at the same time as your car kit? Can't you get a good enough signal on the internal GPS or is there another reason?
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...Can't you get a good enough signal on the internal GPS...?
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Yes, that's what I wrote in my post above. This antiradiation coating is a real satellite signal killer...
But, IMO, Kaiser's screen is too small for in-car navigation anyway, so having a dedicated unit is always a plus
mpogr said:
Yes, that's what I wrote in my post above. This antiradiation coating is a real satellite signal killer...
But, IMO, Kaiser's screen is too small for in-car navigation anyway, so having a dedicated unit is always a plus
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Sorry, blind AND stupid!
Yes I agree the screen is too small for general use. I have a dedicated GPS in the car and only use the TyTnII as a temporary routefinder whenever needed.
i HAVE A KAISER TILT ALSO KNOW AS ATT TILT AND AM HAVING TROUBLE DOWNLOADING MY CONTACTS TO MY NOKIA BLUETOOTH CAR KIT HAS ANY ONE HAVE ANY TROUBLE DOWNLOADING THERE CONTACT LIST IS THERE ANY SOFTWARE I NEED TO ADD TO THE PHONE. I TRIED USING AN APPLICATION CALLED JETWARE WHICH WILL ALLOW ME TO DOWNLOAD BUT WHEN I MAKE A CALL IT WONT ALLOW ME TO HANG-UP THE CALL. ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
First, STOP YELLING !!
Second, try using the enter key sometimes.
Third, i didn't read your post, can't help ya, sorry.
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First, STOP YELLING !!
Second, try using the enter key sometimes.
Third, i didn't read your post, can't help ya, sorry.
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dude? why?
hey man sorry that guy was such a jerk dont want that to be your first expericne here as long as you search before asking most people will be more then willing to help you. sorry i cant help ya though. my only guess is maybe did you install a wm 6.1 rom? they have some probems with bluetooth but i dont think thats it
Did you try it without Jetware? Made sure your bluetooth was set as discoverable? Paired the device? The more info YOU provide as to what you've done, tried, & what setup you've done it with...the beter the help & answers you'll get.
I'd suggest filtering through the following threads. There have been similar problems fixed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364559&highlight=Kaiser+Nokia+car+kit
In the above thread the original poster solved his nokia carkit issue following this:
1. Pair the TyTN II to the car (Nokia HT-2) phone.
2. Switch car ignition OFF and switch off TyTN II.
3. Remove SIM from TyTN II.
4. Place SIM into a compatible phone (in my case Nokia N95).
5. Switch on N95, switch on Bluetooth, switch on Remote SIM access.
6. Change the Bluetooth ID name on the N95 to the same as the TyTN II.
7. Make phone discoverable via Bluetooth.
8. Switch on car ignition - car phone will not be able to connect.
9. Using car controls search for new device.
10. When N95 is found, select connect, it will use the same user profile as the TyTN II (if you selected the same name for the Bluetooth ID).
11. On the car browse to Settings - Phonebook - Update, this will then import all your contacts from your N95 (or compatible phone).
12. Switch off ignition and switch off N95.
13. Replace SIM back to TyTN II.
14. Ensure TyTN II Bluetooth is ON, Remote SIM is ON and the phone is Discoverable.
15. Switch on car ignition - car phone will not be able to connect.
16. Using car controls search for new device.
17. When TyTN II is found, select connect, it will use the same user profile as before.
18. Now browse the car Phonebook as normal - All your contacts are now available for you to use.
19. Don't forget to turn off discoverability on the TyTN II and to rename your compatible phone (N95) to prevent any future conflicts.
This worked for me! I hope it will work for you! Good Luck!
I did try it with removing the jetware the bluetooth works fine but cant download contacts is there anyother patch or software more compatable with nokia bluetooth devices. Jet ware is good but wont let me disconect call when done any one else have an issue like this
BOBBYDS1 is your connection between the Kaiser and the Car Kit using Bluetooth as a headset (in other words the phone still functions and you can look up and dial with the phone) or is it using rSAP (Remote Sim) which switches your Kaiser into flight mode.
I ask this as it will determine which way you look for a solution. If its using rSAP then most Nokia systems that are fitted into cars as factory fit have not yet developed the correct software to communicate with Windows Mobile devices, in which case you will need to remove Jetware from you Kaiser and use my solution on a previous post as quoted above.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...+Nokia+car+kit
Mark
The phone still functions as i can disconnect by the phone it self here is the thing sometimes I can disconnect call by the nokia bluetooth device but a lot of times I cannot disconnect, i have to pull phone out of my pocket and end call
@BOBBYDS1 and fb.knight
No offence guys, but you need to go back to Junior High and learn how to use commas, question marks and letter cases.
Posts like that will rarely get you any kind of a reasonable response.
what nokia bluetooth car kit are you trying to use?
Still not clear if your carkit is using headset or rSAP profiles. Can you either tell us the model of the carkit, or tell us if you can browse the internet from the phone whilst its connected to the carkit?
Punctuation good enough there Dark?! (JOKE!!)
IT is a Nokia CK15-w Bluetooth Car kit Here is a link to it. http://www.nokiausa.com/A4431279
Also I can surf the internet while it is connected to the bluetooth.
Looks like that model supports:
Hands-free Profile 1.5, Phonebook Access Profile 1.0
(Source: Nokia Europe
The Kaiser supports:
File Transfer Profile, SIM Access Profile (rSAP), Dial-Up Networking Profile, Personal Area Networking Profile, Hands-Free Profile 1.5, Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (I'm guessing A2DP)
(Source: www.theunwired.net
So I'm guessing that whilst it will work as a glorified headset, you have no chance of getting your contacts downloaded! Should be able to get them from your SIM, just not the main memory. Wonder why Nokia removed the rSAP profile? It was on their 610 (rSAP only) 616 (rSAP and Handsfree) then from the 810 and CK-15 it seems to be handsfree only. This could be why so many are having problems with Nokia carkits, Nokia went and changed the supported bluetooth profiles. Funny, I would have thought the newer the model, the more it would have done, but I guess not! Glad I looked into this as I was thinking about 'upgrading' to the 810 for the full handset, guess I won't be now!
I am getting confused, I downloaded the jetstream program to the phone and was able to download the contact list no problem. The problem i am having is when i make a call from the nokia bluetooth when I am done and hit the endcall button on the nokia it does not end the call, I have to pull out the phone and hit the end button on the phone itself. any suggestions on how to correct this.
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I am getting confused,
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Not as much as everyone else reading your post and trying to help!
BOBBYDS1 said:
AM HAVING TROUBLE DOWNLOADING MY CONTACTS
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ANY ONE HAVE ANY TROUBLE DOWNLOADING THERE CONTACT LIST
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I TRIED USING AN APPLICATION CALLED JETWARE WHICH WILL ALLOW ME TO DOWNLOAD BUT WHEN I MAKE A CALL IT WONT ALLOW ME TO HANG-UP THE CALL.
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removing the jetware the bluetooth works fine but cant download contacts
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So downloading contacts isn't your problem, hanging up whilst having jetware installed is? Better post would have been something along the lines of:
"I'm having trouble ending calls on my Kaiser using the end button on my Nokia CK-15 carkit. I installed the Jetware program to enable downloading contacts, but this stops the end key working on the Kaiser, before this it was working fine just the carkit couldn't download contacts. Does anyone know of any settings in Jetware I can try, that would restore the end key function, or other software that would still enable me to download contacts and have and end key?" - That might have got you an answer sooner...
Right, the phone as it comes doesn't support phonebook access, thus you won't be able to download your contacts. Actually, none of the Nokia bluetooth carkits support downloading contacts from the internal memory of a Windows Mobile device, probably because no Nokia uses Windows Mobile (yet).
You add something like Jetware which gives you the ability to access the phonebook, but then you are unable to end a call via the carkit. My best guess is Jetware does something which interupts the commands from the carkit. I'm also guessing your stuck with either having contacts download or and end call option. Add Jetware back and play with it's settings. You may get lucky. However bluetooth is very buggy and the only way to get 2 devices to work perfectly with eachother without running the risk of having to fiddle or loose something is to buy them from the same manufacturer and check they are fully compatible with eachother. Two devices from 2 manufacturers don't always work.
Here are some examples:
Old Ericsson headset, will work perfectly with my old HTC phone and can't even be seen by my Kaiser. Slightly newer one (that has an LCD for caller ID) will work once connected until I switch it off, then requires the old HTC phone to be soft reset before it will connect again. Works perfectly with the Kaiser. Brand new, cheapy Motorola headset does what it feels like with no consistency on my older HTC, again works perfectly on the Kaiser. My Nokia 610 carkit will connect to both phones, but whilst the older phone needs to be soft reset before turning off the ignition (otherwise the phone part of things crashes), the Kaiser will connect and disconnect just as Nokia intend. The carkit will only download SIM contacts. The fix posted above isn't really a fix, it's fooling the carkit into thinking that another phone (the Nokia N95) is the kaiser, downloading the contacts from it and then reconnecting the real Kaiser. Not a fix, but a brilliant workaround.
Also noticed that the CK-15 uses bluetooth version 1.2, the Kaiser bluetooth version 2. This might be something to do with it.
In short, I think you will have to live with either a phonebook, or an end function. Welcome to the wonderful world of bluetooth. It also doesn't help that Nokia hasa a history of making devices which don't work with anything other than another Nokia device...
Is there any way to change the kaiser to use bluetooth 1.2. Also is there a way to contact jetware besides email as they dont reply.
In your reply you state thAT Nokia devices csnt download from internal memory of kaiser phone, how can i set it up to download from the sim is there a way.
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Is there any way to change the kaiser to use bluetooth 1.2
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I seriously doubt anyone will be writing a bluetooth stack v1.2 for the Kaiser anytime soon. I also have a feeling that the versions are hardware, not software related, so its impossible. I think you may have to accept that the Kaiser and Nokia will never play nicely. Why don't you install Jetware, sync your contacts, then either disable it (I'm sure I remember an option in the settings when I tried it previously) or just delete the program? You could keep the installer cab on your device somewhere as its only 500kb for when you need to reinstall it?
If there isn't a phone number on the jetware homepage, I'm betting you can't call them. But I did notice there is an advanced set-up options menu. Did you try unchecking all the boxes apart from phonebooks? If the "hang-up/swap to incomming call" option is unchecked, Jetware should pass that command to the phones standard bluetooth software and give you back your end key. From the Jetware site:
"When this option is unchecked the Extension will allow hang up commands to be processed by the built-in code, which will disconnect all active voice calls."
If it's currently checked, try unchecking it.
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In your reply you state thAT Nokia devices csnt download from internal memory of kaiser phone, how can i set it up to download from the sim is there a way.
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Have you read the manual? In my 610 manual, it tells me I can choose to dowload phone, SIM, or phone and SIM memory. Does yours?
Now it seems that call waiting is not working in the bluetooth unit, itried the settings both ways in jetware but still no go. any ideas
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Still not clear if your carkit is using headset or rSAP profiles. Can you either tell us the model of the carkit, or tell us if you can browse the internet from the phone whilst its connected to the carkit?
Punctuation good enough there Dark?! (JOKE!!)
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Well, since you asked, it should be 'it's', not 'its'.
Not sure if you guys have seen this or not, there have been a few posts here in the Athena group about the Sony(Abacus/Fossil) Bluetooth watches and the new Bluetooth Vibrating bracelet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362218
I have 2 of the Abacus Mobile Wear Bluetooth watches and they work great with the X7500 and my HP ipaq 510 smartphone, I am able to use the watch for CallerID, SMS, Email, MMS notifications with vibrate WHILE having my Jabra BT8010 connected.
its freeware, but I am donating as it is great software.
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Thank for info...
But I prefer my TAG he.. he...
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
It works well
I have got the MDW-150 Executive it works realy well
New p PK with widc? omm stack
Hi guys, first post
I got a MBW150 for £82 from ebay, sweet, it took me some time to get it working but eventually I managed it in port 9, there are talks that the new PK4 rom may include the widcomm bluetooth stack and now I am wondering how this will affect the watch.
OK, I'm intrigued. Anyone know differences between Abacus and the 3 models of Sony-Ericsson (executive, music, classic) -- price, but anything else as far as features? One thing that would be sweet is if it sync'ed the time (including changing time zones), but doesn't look like that happens from what I read. Any other thoughts? Think I might need one of these, heh heh.
wgary said:
OK, I'm intrigued. Anyone know differences between Abacus and the 3 models of Sony-Ericsson (executive, music, classic) -- price, but anything else as far as features? One thing that would be sweet is if it sync'ed the time (including changing time zones), but doesn't look like that happens from what I read. Any other thoughts? Think I might need one of these, heh heh.
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I think the Abacus is the same as the MBW-100 so no media player controls.
The digital time on the oled display is sync'ed but the analogue hands have to be manualy adjusted.
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I think the Abacus is the same as the MBW-100 so no media player controls.
The digital time on the oled display is sync'ed but the analogue hands have to be manualy adjusted.
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Thanks, think I'll take a try on the MBW-150. Are you using smartWatchM or btWatch? Looks like more features with smartWatchM but btWatch may be simpler to use...
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Thanks, think I'll take a try on the MBW-150. Are you using smartWatchM or btWatch? Looks like more features with smartWatchM but btWatch may be simpler to use...
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I am now using the smartWatchM as Moneytoo has sorted the connection issues and the functionality is much better. btWatch is easier to set up and Pcfixitman keeps adding functions so it is a matter of trying both and seeing which one you like.
wgary
Another thing to take in to consideration is the headset you use, I got the Sony Ericsson HBH DS970 this is an stereo headset, when working alone is very good, the wactch works OK also but working together, they interfere with each other, the music stop-start and do not want to play properly, and the outgoing sound of the calls is bad.
Is as if the athena could no run both at the same time, perhaps the reason is that the headset and watch have booth similar functionality.
I believe the Nokia HS-12W works well, but do your research
OK I'm back to test some more
Bye
Paultnl said:
I am now using the smartWatchM as Moneytoo has sorted the connection issues and the functionality is much better. btWatch is easier to set up and Pcfixitman keeps adding functions so it is a matter of trying both and seeing which one you like.
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btWatch is develop with MBW-100 in mind, and smartWatchM is more apropriate for MBW-150, this is my opinion. I am now using the smartWatchM also.
Both of them are great applications, and I take the opportunity to thank again to the developers.
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wgary
Another thing to take in to consideration is the headset you use, I got the Sony Ericsson HBH DS970 this is an stereo headset, when working alone is very good, the wactch works OK also but working together, they interfere with each other, the music stop-start and do not want to play properly, and the outgoing sound of the calls is bad.
Is as if the athena could no run both at the same time, perhaps the reason is that the headset and watch have booth similar functionality.
I believe the Nokia HS-12W works well, but do your research
OK I'm back to test some more
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I have a stereo headset and haven't had any problems
This is crazy cool!
From the smartWatchM thread -- sorry for reposting, couldn't figure out how to link to a specific post. Thanks to GuardianZX9 for the tip!!
wgary said:
After reading this thread, I decided to take the plunge and buy the MBW-150 "regular edition."
General Impressions
1. Moneytoo, along with pcfixitman, have done an awesome job in making this a totally fantastic device. I have gotten SWM working, and everything works as advertised, although see a few small caveats below. I am totally blown away by how cool this is. The screen shots don't do it justice. Very well designed and functional.
2. I thought the watch might be heavy and cumbersome, not so. Quite comfortable. A little on the large side, but generally stylish looks.
3. I have an Athena (HTC Advantage), which is a monster. I was relying on a Jabra BT8010 to vibrate and provide "remote" functionality. That is totally primitive next to the MBW-150.
4. Settings in the program work well.
Installation Experience
Getting it to work was challenging. Here were the "keys" to my success on the Advantage:
1. Follow the directions in post 1 exactly.
2. Adjust the registry settings to set up COM1, as suggested by paultnl, since COM6 seems not to be available on the Advantage. (I had no luck with the configuration program, did this using Resco File Explorer.) Changes:
First key, change PORT to COM1
Second key, change name to BTD_COM1 and change index to 1.
3. I'm not sure if this step was necessary, but it seemed to work. (Coincidence?) I kept getting IOException errors. After checking around, I installed .NET CF3.5 http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...49-3c6b-42f1-9fd9-0041345b3385&displaylang=en
After that the errors stopped. Mostly.
4. The following suggestion (linked from Post 1) on startup procedure on the phone was necessary for me:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1871441&postcount=46
Caveats/Suggestions
As I said to begin with, the concept and execution are excellent! All features have worked as advertised. I do have a few small items that I haven't quite worked out. Maybe it's a bug, maybe I don't quite understand.
1. Reconnection seems to be an issue. I had it working last night. Walked out of range, but it wouldn't reconnect when I came back in range. In fact, nothing I did would reconnect. I finally deleted the pairing and repaired. Then it worked. It would be great if this could improved, or maybe someone can enlighten me.
2. Appointments do work. But it seems like the next appointment won't show until the current one is finished. It would be nice to scroll to upcoming ones...
3. WMP option didn't work that well. But not a big deal for me, actually couldn't care less since I use CorePlayer.
4. The volume control/select method is a little cumbersome. It does work, but hard to hit the feature you want to times.
5. It would be nice if the setting would revert to the last event. That is, if a text message comes in, hitting middle key would bring that info. Just a thought.
6. Documentation on the phone and program are "sparse". Took a little experimentation. Here's the quick guide:
* Lower right key: Set watch modes -- BT on/off, etc. (Upper right key toggles the mode)
* Upper right key: Display date, date, SWM current info by successive taps.
* Upper/lower left key: "Volume controls" -- use these to select what function you want to display. Length of bar corresponds to the "numbers" in post 1, but the numbers aren't shown. To make the function appear:
* Middle left key: Invoke SWM function. (Note: if displays date or time, hit upper right key to bring it back)
Summary
The combination of this watch and SWM is totally awesome. I feel so **** Tracy/Star Trek/... Even better, it really works and is really useful! A little "donation" to keep up the excellent work will follow. Awesome work, you guys!
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Wgary
Good It worked for you
I feel is the ideal companion for the Athena, and the 150 looks cool or what.
couple of things, there is an easier way to install without playing with the registry for those that like to try
1-copy SWMconfig by PCFixman to theAthena (any whwere, I have it in my hard driver)
2-install smartwatch by Money too to the athena (in device) but do not power it yet
pair the watch with Athena, Athena will give you an error, just press next
3-Find SWMconfig where you put it into the Athena click on it, the program start and you can chose a port, click set and it display OK, exit and reestart the athena (fully switch off)
4-Switch on the Athena and fire smartwatch, click menu>start
DONE,
If it does not work, close smartwatch ( (menu>close) repet step 3 and 4 until you find a port that work for you, mine works with ports 0 and 9
To test, while in smartwatch ,Menu>test
Also ( Im using version 2 of the App)pressing left center sort in the watch gives you a function, pressing long gives you another
EG: Volume at 6 sort left centre gives profile and operator, long gives battery and signal
Pity doesn't want to play ball with my HBH DS970
It play with my Jabra BT8010 but I prefer the DS970 for several reasons.
Regards and enjoy your new toy
it is a shame about the 970, as this will be my combination too
For those who do not already know, these watches are designed by Fossil for Sony, the collaboration went both ways, with Fossil bringing out a non Sony branded watch, it is functionally identical to the Sony MBW-100 but does not have the ability to control music
Maplin are selling them new for £115
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=99658&&source=14&doy=2m3
hi,
i have a athena with wm5 and a mbw-150.
i have tested te smartwatch 0.2.0.2 and i have some problems (with the autoconnect operation).
now, i'm using the btwatch 0.18 and it works more fine for me.
regards
bartito
hi,
i have a athena with wm5 and a mbw-150.
i have tested te smartwatch 0.2.0.2 and i have some problems (with the autoconnect operation).
now, i'm using the btwatch 0.18 and it works more fine for me.
regards
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what about compatibility with the 150, also functionality?
Isn't btwatch geared more to the mmbw 100 type?
Cheers
I am using smartWatchM 0.2.0.2 with good success. I do not use the autoconnect because it sometimes has issues. My method which has proved very reliable: (1) turn BT off on the watch, (2) start smartWatchM and tell it to start, (3) turn BT on on the watch and wait until the messages on the phone screen end, (4) push middle left button to connect. After that, it works quite reliably. On one occasion, I lost connection (went out of range for a long time) and it wouldn't reconnect when I got back. I did a soft reset and repeated the steps above and all was well. Other than that one time, it stays connected all day and even reconnects when I get back in range. It works really well.
However, I am awaiting the next version of btWatch which will have a new menu structure to try that out. I used it briefly. Set up and connection do seem simpler. But SWM seems to be more compatible with the 150, just my opinion. In summary, it's great to have two good options!
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I have 2 of the Abacus Mobile Wear Bluetooth watches and they work great with the X7500 and my HP ipaq 510 smartphone, I am able to use the watch for CallerID, SMS, Email, MMS notifications with vibrate WHILE having my Jabra BT8010 connected.
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Y'know, I've been glancing at that thread on & off for a bit now, but I juuuuuust noticed the key part in your post I've been looking for:
"WHILE having my Jabra BT8010 connected"
So no problems having the watch do all those functions & still use the same headset as I'm using now for actual talking! I can't believe I missed that before.
Did you try both of the software's (btWatch and SmartWatchM) ?
Phil
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Y'know, I've been glancing at that thread on & off for a bit now, but I juuuuuust noticed the key part in your post I've been looking for:
"WHILE having my Jabra BT8010 connected"
So no problems having the watch do all those functions & still use the same headset as I'm using now for actual talking! I can't believe I missed that before.
Did you try both of the software's (btWatch and SmartWatchM) ?
Phil
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Yes, the BT8010 and SmartWatchM play together nicely. I did have some issues with btWatch. The latest version of SmartWatchM made connection a little easier. I do like btWatch's interface, but it needs some further refinement--features and integration with BT headset.
I use my Diamond as an MP3 player way more than a phone. I also use a Sony Ericsson Bluetooth Headset HBH-DS970 all the time. But very often I'll be listening when boom! The sound stops for some unknown reason. Many times it's a brief second or two and it starts again. Other times I reach into my pocket and hit the power button and poof, it starts again. Annoyed I put it back in my pocket.
Then sometimes it doesn't come back to life. Of course, I'm driving at the time and have to fiddle with the phone and drive, which is very dangerous.
Very often the bluetooth just drops. I have to go in, hit the power button, slide to unlock, Start: Settings: Connections: Bluetooth: Mode and I see the Turn on Bluetooth and Make this device visible to other devices toggled off even though I can see the little Bluetooth icon in the title bar is still on! I toggle on these and hit OK. Often I need to power off and back on my HBH-DS970 to re-establish the Bluetooth connection. Now the HTC Touch Diamond does not play a sound when the bluetooth establishes itself like my old PPC-6700 so I just guess and hit play on the HBH-DS970. Sometimes the I have the Wireless stereo portion working but the AVRCP is not working so play on the HBH-DS970 doesn't work and I have to hit play on the HTC Touch Diamond (Sprint Music). Later I'll find that Wireless stereo is working but Hands Free is disabled.
So why does this happen? Why does the Bluetooth drop at all? Is there any better Bluetooth stacks that have less bugs that I can install. I recall tell about something like a Widecom Bluetooth stack or whatever. Is that any better?
Recently I purchased a Motorola Rokr unit which is a unit for your car that receives a Bluetooth signal and rebroadcasts it to FM for your car stereo. It works great but the having to transfer Bluetooth pairing from my headset to the Rokr when I get in the car never goes smoothly. I have to remember to pause the program, stop the Bluetooth going to the headset, turn on the Rokr, it attempts to connect to the phone and it cannot if the phone is talking to the headset via Bluetooth. Why's that an issue? Why can't the Bluetooth talk to more than one device at the same time?!? I mean what if I want the Bluetooth music or program to go to two headsets simultaneously or to the headset and the Rokr? Shouldn't that be my choice.
Next I need to tell the Rokr to transmit on FM and establish that connection. Then I try to hit the pause/play button on the Rokr and often again, the Wireless is paired up to the Rokr but the Hands Free isn't. Get out the phone, power button, slide to unlock, Start: Settings: etc. etc. - what a pain.
Then I'll be driving and listening and life is good when suddenly again, the connection drops. The Rokr cutely has a female voice that comes on through the radio saying "Connection dropped". Yeah I know - and I'm not impressed!
Repeat procedure in reverse when leaving the car transferring the Bluetooth signal from the Rokr -> HBH-DS970.
LIFE SHOULD NOT BE THIS DIFFICULT!!!
So I ask:
. Is there a better, more reliable Bluetooth stack I can install?
. If not, are there some registry settings that I can tweak to make Bluetooth more reliable? I have used the Advanced Configuration tool and saw some settings about Bluetooth sound quality but I don't know if upping th quality had lessoned the reliability...
. What are some of the reasons that a Bluetooth connection will drop? I mean it's not like I've walked outside of its broadcast range - hell I'm still in the car!
. Finally, is there anything I can do to lesson the amount of short micro drops of 1/2 - 1 second? It's a little annoying when you're grooving to a tune and that happens.
Thanks.
Try this for some answers http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432072
OT, can you record sound via BT headset's microphone? Not being able to do that annoys me much and still haven't got any answers from anybody.
I use the Bluetooth with phone calls. With Vito's Audio Notes I can record phone calls and hear both me and the caller in the recording - through the Bluetooth. I see Vito also has a "finger friendly" recorder but I'm not interested in that. However it seems clear the audio path from Bluetooth mic to recording can work.
Thanks for the pointer to that thread however the concern there is about Bluetooth quality not Bluetooth reliabiliy. Personally my Bluetooth quality is just fine - when the Bluetooth remains connected that is! I'm puzzled why you would have read my post and thought I wanted better Bluetooth quality?
I have been streaming audio since i got my HTC Wizard - 2 phones ago..
Back then, i was running WM5 and it had notoriously bad BT stack (really bad quality of A2DP audio). No tweak could eliminate the horrible high-pitched noise.
Fed up with the terrible sound, i tried the Widcomm stack.
This dramatically improved audio quality, but the Widcomm stack had other problems; i was not able to use any of my other BT devices. (back then i had a seperate GPS device and a Jabra wireless earpiece).
Eventually i managed to have both BT stacks installed, so i could choose which stack to start, depending on what i was going to use.
However, this was still far from perfect, because i wanted to be able to use my earpiece, use Tom Tom and listen to music at the same time (in my car).
The solution came (for me) with WM6, it had a really improved BT stack, the A2DP audio sounded much better.
For other applications the Microsoft stack worked well from the beginning.
When i just started using WM6 it did need some (registry) tweaking to overcome the problem of the "skipping" that sometimes occurred (those skips were not due to disconnection problems, it was just a matter of figuring out the highest bitrate the device could handle! (=>higher bitrate = better sound, more bandwidth, higher chance of music "skipping", =>lower bitrate = more stabile connection (less "skips", at the price of lowering the audio quality)).
Since my last phone (HTC touch) i did not even need to apply that tweak anymore, standard settings worked fine for me (acceptible audio quality, no 'skipping' problem).
Today i have a HTC Diamond, and i use a MBR-100 to stream audio to, i hook this device up to my car stereo (in fact, i have two, so i never run out of battery power).
I use my Jabra earpiece simultaneously.
I have no complaints whatsoever.
So to answer some of your questions, based on my own findings :
- The WM6 BT stack is capable of handling multiple connections at the same time (in my case, A2DP, remote GPS and Jabra earpiece)
- I never had a disconnect from my MBR-100 (which is also from sony Ericsson) without reason.
- I recently discovered,i can activate A2DP just by pressing the button on the MBR-100. Before, i always activated the connection by going to => settings=> Bluetooth etc. Maybe you have a button that does that on your headset? If so, it will at least save you the trouble setting up the connection again on your Diamond...
Finally, i don't know which ROM you are using, but the one i'm running now is the one from the official HTC website, "_HTC Touch Diamond_QMR_RUU_Diamond_HTC_NLD_1.93.404.1_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.00.25.05_Ship.exe".
One more thing :
- It is not possible to stream A2DP to more than one device at the time.
However, i found a nice little program to switch the A2DP stream between paired BT devices in reach.
It can also toggle the sound (and mic) from a phone call between my earpiece and the internal speaker.
Maybe it is useful for you as well : LINK
Copy .exe to the phone and execute there (when you have a A2DP connection running).
PaWs said:
OT, can you record sound via BT headset's microphone? Not being able to do that annoys me much and still haven't got any answers from anybody.
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After toggling the sound by means of the program i mentioned in my previous post (This one) it definately records sound trough the earpiece (it's a Jabra BT350).
Thoroughly tested, 100% sure.
TheMusicMaster said:
I have been streaming audio since i got my HTC Wizard - 2 phones ago..
Back then, i was running WM5 and it had notoriously bad BT stack (really bad quality of A2DP audio). No tweak could eliminate the horrible high-pitched noise.
Fed up with the terrible sound, i tried the Widcomm stack.
This dramatically improved audio quality, but the Widcomm stack had other problems; i was not able to use any of my other BT devices. (back then i had a seperate GPS device and a Jabra wireless earpiece).
Eventually i managed to have both BT stacks installed, so i could choose which stack to start, depending on what i was going to use.
However, this was still far from perfect, because i wanted to be able to use my earpiece, use Tom Tom and listen to music at the same time (in my car).
The solution came (for me) with WM6, it had a really improved BT stack, the A2DP audio sounded much better.
For other applications the Microsoft stack worked well from the beginning.
When i just started using WM6 it did need some (registry) tweaking to overcome the problem of the "skipping" that sometimes occurred (those skips were not due to disconnection problems, it was just a matter of figuring out the highest bitrate the device could handle! (=>higher bitrate = better sound, more bandwidth, higher chance of music "skipping", =>lower bitrate = more stabile connection (less "skips", at the price of lowering the audio quality)).
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Would you happen to recall what those registry tweaks were? Based on your above comments I think the best I can do is to lower the bit rates and bandwidth. Honestly most of my listening is talk radio and much less music. Even so, I'm older and I can't tell as much about the lose of highs, etc...
I have toned down things in Advanced Configuration Tools - Bluetooth section hoping that this increases reliability.
What I don't understand is why is this apparently so hard to get right? I mean this is not rocket science here! It's merely a connection that is radio based? Can't people code the software correctly! Geeze!
Since my last phone (HTC touch) i did not even need to apply that tweak anymore, standard settings worked fine for me (acceptible audio quality, no 'skipping' problem).
Today i have a HTC Diamond, and i use a MBR-100 to stream audio to, i hook this device up to my car stereo (in fact, i have two, so i never run out of battery power).
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My car doesn't have an audio in, nor does it have Bluetooth (they're trying to sell you the OnStar crap).
I use my Jabra earpiece simultaneously.
I have no complaints whatsoever.
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I don't have any earpieces. I don't know why I need an earpiece to stick in one year and hear things in mono with one ear when I already have a stereo head set that does this in both ears.
So to answer some of your questions, based on my own findings :
- The WM6 BT stack is capable of handling multiple connections at the same time (in my case, A2DP, remote GPS and Jabra earpiece)
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Later on you correct yourself saying you can't do two A2DP's at the same time. That was specifically what I was asking about - a car A2DP and my headset A2DP (Or say two people with the same A2DP headsets, etc). I don't understand why this is limited. It seems artificial.
- I never had a disconnect from my MBR-100 (which is also from sony Ericsson) without reason.
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What would be a valid reason for disconnection?
- I recently discovered,i can activate A2DP just by pressing the button on the MBR-100. Before, i always activated the connection by going to => settings=> Bluetooth etc. Maybe you have a button that does that on your headset? If so, it will at least save you the trouble setting up the connection again on your Diamond...
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The Rokr has essentially 4 buttons. Power, FM selector, Call pickup and Pause/Play. There are also some combinations. The FM Selector is simply a button to push where the Rokr scans the stations and tells you which station to set your FM radio to. Power is for power, naturally. The Call pickup and Pause/Play are as their names suggest. Pause/Play pauses or plays the media player on the other end of the Bluetooth (through AVRCP) and Call pickup picks up an incoming call. Both of these buttons attempt to talk to the remote Bluetooth device if the connection is not currently established. However since most of the time the problem is that the Bluetooth dropped it's connection (necessitating having to go throught Start: Settings: Bluetooth: Mode: Turn Bluetooth on). Also, turning off the power and turning it back on causes it to try to pair up again, which sometimes work. However, if you currently have it broadcasting to your FM radio and your radio turned up, powering it off kills that connection causing loud static to come out of your radio until you power it back up and re-establish the FM broadcast portion.
I can see if I can screen capture my HTC Touch Diamond with the Bluetooth off in the Bluetooth settings but the Bluetooth indicator actually on in the title bar. Weird state! You should never be in that state with one part saying Bluetooth is on and the other saying Bluetooth is not on!
Finally, i don't know which ROM you are using, but the one i'm running now is the one from the official HTC website, "_HTC Touch Diamond_QMR_RUU_Diamond_HTC_NLD_1.93.404.1_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.00.25.05_Ship.exe".
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I'm using whatever came on my Sprint version of the HTC Touch Diamond.
Do you know of a Widcomm stack for the HTC Touch Diamond? How about a copy of the MS Bluetooth stack? I did turn down the bandwidth/bitrates and hopefully that'll make it more reliable. However it would be nice to have those Bluetooth stacks available to install and play with.
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One more thing :
- It is not possible to stream A2DP to more than one device at the time.
However, i found a nice little program to switch the A2DP stream between paired BT devices in reach.
It can also toggle the sound (and mic) from a phone call between my earpiece and the internal speaker.
Maybe it is useful for you as well : LINK
Copy .exe to the phone and execute there (when you have a A2DP connection running).
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I had seen this program before. Perhaps you can explain how it's supposed to work. Because whenever I run it it does nothing.
I have two HBH-DS970's. I pair them both up to the phone. I can play music but only through one of them. When I run the Bluetooth toggle thing it first plays in the current HBH-DS970 but pretty much out of phase (sounds tinny). If I run the BT Toggle again it briefly (for 1/2 a second) plays on the speaker phone then plays in the same HBH-DS970 but in phase (full bass). The toggle toggles between these two in phase/out of phase sounds with a brief blast on the speaker phone but only in one of the HBH-DS970.
If I power off the HBH-DS970 and establish Bluetooth connections with the other HBH-DS970 and I do the BT Toggle thing again the same thing happens with the second HBH-DS970. It does not transfer the BT from one HBH-DS970 to the other! I suspect it wouldn't transfer the BT from an HBH-DS970 to the Rokr either.
I don't get it! What's this BT Toggle for?
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Would you happen to recall what those registry tweaks were? Based on your above comments I think the best I can do is to lower the bit rates and bandwidth.
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You're correct. They are the same tweaks that are now provided in the advanced configuration tool. Back then, when i just had my Wizard i did not have this tool and i had to go into the registry to change the settings manually (they can be found under \HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2DP\Settings).
The most important one is BitPool, i use 58 for the quality of the audio, but since you mentioned you use it to talk radio and not so much listening to music you can set it to 30. You should not experience any buffering skips then.
Then you have MaxSupportedBitPool, which you can delete. I played with changing the settings here but no major effect.
Finally, there is UseJointStereo, to have stereo set it to 1. In the older WM6 BT stacks when set to 0, it would reduce the hissing noise but the audio would be mono.
defaria said:
I don't have any earpieces. I don't know why I need an earpiece to stick in one year and hear things in mono with one ear when I already have a stereo head set that does this in both ears.
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I only use the earpiece to make calls while driving, not to listen to music..
defaria said:
Later on you correct yourself saying you can't do two A2DP's at the same time. That was specifically what I was asking about - a car A2DP and my headset A2DP (Or say two people with the same A2DP headsets, etc). I don't understand why this is limited. It seems artificial.
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My MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP. That's why i'm able to use both at the same time. However, you can't use A2DP 2x simultaniously. I was just pointing out that the BT stack of WM6 is capable of using different profiles simultaniously. If your Rokr and your Sony headset use different profiles, you could have used the small BT toggle program to switch easily..
But even if they use different profiles, you can't use the audio output twice at the same time. You can only toggle to wich profile it redirects.
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What would be a valid reason for disconnection?
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The only thing i can think of, is when the two are too far apart from each other. I did not have any strange disconnects so i don't have the same experience.
You mentioned you are still running the original ROM, and if you have the time it is not a bad idea to upgrade it. I know that in the beginning of WM6 A2DP did not work as well as it does today (i had to tweak then, now it works well with default settings). Also because you mentioned your BT behaves irratically.
The process of upgrading is relatively easy and you will gain a performance boost as well.
defaria said:
Do you know of a Widcomm stack for the HTC Touch Diamond? How about a copy of the MS Bluetooth stack? I did turn down the bandwidth/bitrates and hopefully that'll make it more reliable. However it would be nice to have those Bluetooth stacks available to install and play with.
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Since i had my Diamond i never had problems with BT so i didn't search for that. I did save some of the stacks i experimented with when i had my Wizard, but i dont know if they will work on te Diamond... If you can't find anything on this forum, let me know and i will post the cab's for you.
But again, i don't know if they will work on te Diamond!v
defaria said:
I had seen this program before. Perhaps you can explain how it's supposed to work.
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I suspect it wouldn't transfer the BT from an HBH-DS970 to the Rokr either.
I don't get it! What's this BT Toggle for?
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The BT toggle app does nothing more than redirect the audio to the next available (connected) device. I use it switch to earpiece, when i answered the phone with the buttons on the Diamond (when i answer calls with the button on the earpiece, it does that automatically).
When listening to music, i can switch the audio between the earpiece and the car stereo.
So i figured, maybe you could use it in the same way, when you walk to the car enjoy the music trough your headset, and when you are in your car, click whatever button it is on your Rokr that activates the connection and simply click the icon to change the audio from your headset to the Rokr.
edit :
After reading your story about your Rokr again, i begin to believe there is something wrong with the BT portion in your Diamond (connection dropping, having different icons say different things about BT state). Your Rokr wants to make the connection by pressing the button, and that is how easy it should be.
That's how it works for me. I would recommend upgrading to the latest ROM, i downloaded it from the official HTC website.
I mentioned the exact filename with version number a few posts ago.
That way, you will be sure that software (BT stack) is o.k., i can confirm that in my case it does what it is supposed to...
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I only use the earpiece to make calls while driving, not to listen to music..
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But my point is that the HBH-DS970 can do both. IOW while listening to music (or talk radio), if a call comes in then you simply hit the little call switch on the mic and the music stops and you answer the phone. Talk on the call and listen in both ears then hit the little call switch on the mic and wham you're back to your music or program material. It's really quite cool! When it works that is! Or, if you weren't listening to music and a call comes in simply put the earbuds in (they conveniently fall along the necklace of the HBH-DS970) and talk. IOW, given this, what would I need or want a mono earpiece that just answers calls when this will do both?
My MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP. That's why i'm able to use both at the same time. However, you can't use A2DP 2x simultaniously. I was just pointing out that the BT stack of WM6 is capable of using different profiles simultaniously. If your Rokr and your Sony headset use different profiles, you could have used the small BT toggle program to switch easily..
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Define "different profiles" in this context...
But even if they use different profiles, you can't use the audio output twice at the same time. You can only toggle to wich profile it redirects.
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That may be what the BT Toggle does and it may be that you cannot use two A2DP stereo outputs at the same time. What I'm asking is "Why not? Why this seemingly artificial limitation? Is is security concern? Did nobody think anybody might want to do this? Is it a hardware limitation? Is it a Bluetooth 2.x limitation?". It just seems silly to me to put a limitation like this for seemingly no particular reason. Ya know some people might want to actually share their music in like real time!
You mentioned you are still running the original ROM, and if you have the time it is not a bad idea to upgrade it. I know that in the beginning of WM6 A2DP did not work as well as it does today (i had to tweak then, now it works well with default settings). Also because you mentioned your BT behaves irratically.
The process of upgrading is relatively easy and you will gain a performance boost as well.
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I've done some ROM updates back with the old PPC-6700. Yes there were better but they also weren't supported. I'm with (crappy) Sprint but I think all carriers shy away from you burning in a new ROM on them. They only support you not touching anything like that. In fact, IIRC the original Sprint ROM for the PPC-6700 didn't even support stereo Bluetooth at all! It was only after installing the Widcomm stack that I was able to get stereo BT working!
And that's part of the scary part for me. Originally, the first BT stack I installed worked fairly well with MS Voice Command actually working and when a call came in while I was listening to music, it would properly pause the music, answer the phone then return to the music. But that lasted only a short time. For most of my 2 years with that phone the BT would not stop the music to answer the phone.
The current Sprint derived HTC Touch Diamond ROM works WRT the BT behaving properly for stuff like that. The only real problem I'm having is with the dropping of the connection. So if I go to a new ROM and that breaks... well I don't want that happening. Perhaps if you could point me to the original Sprint ROM so I can get back to where I'm currently at I would venture into newer ROMs.
But another thing that would make me go for the new ROMs is if I could get rid of the god awful Sprint Music Player (SMP or actually the HTC Audio Manager and its Today plugin)! This thing sucks! I usually use Pocket Player however the god damned SMP steals the AVRCP controls such that Pocket Player cannot get them. So I can't use Pocket Player and then have the Play/Pause button on my HBH-DS970 play or pause the SMP! You end up having two audio streams playing at the same time and the pause button does not pause Pocket Player! If there's a ROM out there that removes the silly SMP then I'm all ears!
Since i had my Diamond i never had problems with BT so i didn't search for that. I did save some of the stacks i experimented with when i had my Wizard, but i dont know if they will work on te Diamond... If you can't find anything on this forum, let me know and i will post the cab's for you.
But again, i don't know if they will work on te Diamond!v
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I'm a little leary replacing the BT stack that's currently working pretty good (aside from the dropping problem) unless I can assure myself that I can re-install it if the new one doesn't work.
Oh and let me say MusicMaster, you've been very helpful so far. Thanks.
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The BT toggle app does nothing more than redirect the audio to the next available (connected) device. I use it switch to earpiece, when i answered the phone with the buttons on the Diamond (when i answer calls with the button on the earpiece, it does that automatically).
When listening to music, i can switch the audio between the earpiece and the car stereo.
So i figured, maybe you could use it in the same way, when you walk to the car enjoy the music trough your headset, and when you are in your car, click whatever button it is on your Rokr that activates the connection and simply click the icon to change the audio from your headset to the Rokr.
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I don't think this will work this way for me. From what I could see the Rokr will not pick up the BT from the HBH-DS970 until and unless I power off the HBH-DS970. Just like my second HBH-DS970 could not get the BT passed to it until the first HBH-DS970 was powered off. But I'll go and check this out...
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After reading your story about your Rokr again, i begin to believe there is something wrong with the BT portion in your Diamond (connection dropping, having different icons say different things about BT state). Your Rokr wants to make the connection by pressing the button, and that is how easy it should be.
That's how it works for me. I would recommend upgrading to the latest ROM, i downloaded it from the official HTC website.
I mentioned the exact filename with version number a few posts ago.
That way, you will be sure that software (BT stack) is o.k., i can confirm that in my case it does what it is supposed to...
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I think that perhaps your situation is different. You mentioned that your "MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP". Yet AFAICT my HBH-DS970 uses A2DP and the Rokr also uses A2DP. Both are attempting to receive stereo music.
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Define "different profiles" in this context...
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I meant, e.g. if your headset used HFP and your Rokr A2DP, they could be connected at the same time. Now i read in your post they both use A2DP so the whole toggling trough different profiles solution is off the table..
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What I'm asking is "Why not? Why this seemingly artificial limitation? Is is security concern? Did nobody think anybody might want to do this? Is it a hardware limitation? Is it a Bluetooth 2.x limitation?". It just seems silly to me to put a limitation like this for seemingly no particular reason. Ya know some people might want to actually share their music in like real time!
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I don't know the reason behind that (share music in real time would be awesome, though) but i can think of one technical limitation, and that is bandwith.
If you set the bitrate too high you wil experience skips. When i discovered the highest possible setting without skipping, i even had to set it a bit lower because i use my earpiece simultaniously. The music played without skips, but as soon as i would turn the earpiece on it would start skipping.
It is also impossible to stream audio and transfer data via PAN. Both the connections are o.k. but te A2DP stream would stop until the data is transferred.
So i assume there would not be enough bandwith to stream audio to multiple devices..
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But another thing that would make me go for the new ROMs is if I could get rid of the god awful Sprint Music Player (SMP or actually the HTC Audio Manager and its Today plugin)! This thing sucks! I usually use Pocket Player however the god damned SMP steals the AVRCP controls such that Pocket Player cannot get them. So I can't use Pocket Player and then have the Play/Pause button on my HBH-DS970 play or pause the SMP! You end up having two audio streams playing at the same time and the pause button does not pause Pocket Player! If there's a ROM out there that removes the silly SMP then I'm all ears!
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Heh, i use Pocket Player as well Unfortunately i don't use AVRCP but i think that is a software issue. I've read somewhere else on this forum users having the same complaint. Did not see a solution there..
Question : is this sprint player integrated in TF3D? There is a tweak tool out there to remove tabs. I removed the music player tab.
The other solution would be to go for the updated ROM from HTC. I understand your worries concerning support after flashing but i have flashed every phone i had and had never any problems.. My (flashed) Wizard broke down once, and T-Mobile (my carrier then) repaired it without any cost..
I must say i don't know how Sprint handles these things (i live in Europe).
A good thing is it's a ROM upgrade from the official HTC website so i don't think you have to change SPL (which from what i heard, is the warranty-voiding process). But anyway the sprint player is NOT included..
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I'm a little leary replacing the BT stack that's currently working pretty good (aside from the dropping problem) unless I can assure myself that I can re-install it if the new one doesn't work.
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You can always perform a hard reset, the MS BT stack will be intact.. (maybe use Sprite backup before you install another stack, it works really well (i don't know if you have the program, it came with my Diamond))
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I think that perhaps your situation is different. You mentioned that your "MBR-100 uses A2DP, my earpiece HFP". Yet AFAICT my HBH-DS970 uses A2DP and the Rokr also uses A2DP. Both are attempting to receive stereo music.
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True, the idea of using the BT audio toggle is definately not going to work for you.
But, our situation has similarities! Like i mentioned, i use two MBR-100 devices. When one runs out of energy, i use the second one. They both use AD2P!
The process of changing the two is really simple, and i believe it should be as simple as that with your two A2DP devices.
This is how it goes wen i change the two :
- music is playing on my Diamond, sound goes to MBR100 #1.
- i power off MBR100 #1 (or it runs out of energy), A2DP connection closes, music keeps playing but now from the phone speaker.
- i power up MBR100 #2, press the button on it, it establishes A2DP connection and the music keeps playing, sound goes to MBR100 #2.
Simple as that, i don't even have to awake or touch the Diamond. Now i believe it should be possible that it is that easy for you too..
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I usually use Pocket Player however the god damned SMP steals the AVRCP controls such that Pocket Player cannot get them. So I can't use Pocket Player and then have the Play/Pause button on my HBH-DS970 play or pause the SMP!
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I may have found something that can help with the AVRCP problem..
LINK
Unfortunately i can't test it but it looks promising..
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I may have found something that can help with the AVRCP problem..
LINK
Unfortunately i can't test it but it looks promising..
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This doesn't work. The "plugin" sounds like the plugin that even Conduit already offers for older versions of Pocket Player. And the new version of Pocket Player has this already built in. The problem is it's ineffective as something in the HTC implementation is usurping the AVRCP thing. See Bluetooth in 3.7 on Conduit's forum and AVRCP not working in PocketMusic and PocketPlayer ! here in this forum.
It may be that disabling the Sprint Music Player (really HTC Audio Manager) tab and guts will solve the problem and that may be in the HTC original ROM. I don't think you gave a direct pointer but I will research this later tonight.
Pointers to how to do a hard reset on the HTC Touch Diamond such that I can get back to the original ROM from Sprint would be appreciated (I seem to recall if you burn a ROM onto the phone then a hard reset goes off of that burned ROM not the original ROM. And no I have no backup product).
This is the link to the thread where you can download the TF3D Config program to remove the music tab.
You can perform a hard reset by pressing the vol-down key and enter button simultaniously (then power up), but you can only use this to restore the current ROM you are running to its initial state.
So you are right, you can use a hard reset to restore your Diamond to factory settings now (might be useful if you just want to experiment with other BT stacks and end up with the original BT stack not working), but if you flash your phone you can't go back to its original state unless you have that factory ROM.
But, since the ROM i mentioned comes from the official HTC site, i guess when it comes to support if you ever need it, you can always put on your innocent face and say "was i not supposed to do that?"
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This is the link to the thread where you can download the TF3D Config program to remove the music tab.
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Yes, except http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2852736 (page 101 post by scottsimon1979) states:
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I am unable to get this running on my Sprint Touch Pro. I get a message saying An unexpected error has occurred in Diamond TF3D Config.exe.
When I go to details, this is what I get:
Diamond TF3D Config.exe
NullReferenceException
at f.m()
at Diamond_TF3D_Config.frmMain.v()
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad()
at System.Windows.Forms.Form._SetVisibleNotify()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.set_Visible()
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.Run()
at a.a()
Any ideas?
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To which another guy said he's having problems and if you look even further down that thread I said "Me 3!". So TF3D Config does not work for us unfortunate Sprint HTC Touch Diamond owners...
You can perform a hard reset by pressing the vol-down key and enter button simultaniously (then power up), but you can only use this to restore the current ROM you are running to its initial state.
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Forgive me but no button is labeled "enter". Which one is the "enter" button?
So you are right, you can use a hard reset to restore your Diamond to factory settings now (might be useful if you just want to experiment with other BT stacks and end up with the original BT stack not working), but if you flash your phone you can't go back to its original state unless you have that factory ROM.
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Yes, hence my request for the Original Sprint Factory ROM...
But, since the ROM i mentioned comes from the official HTC site, i guess when it comes to support if you ever need it, you can always put on your innocent face and say "was i not supposed to do that?"
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You're in Europe aren't you? Things are different here in the States. Sprint doesn't take to kindly to you saying "was I not supposed to do that?". Their answer would be "of course you can't do that - your warantee is now void".
It's clear to me that the HTC phone and the Sprint branded phone are not one in the same. For one the back is different. Two, it's branded with the Sprint logo all over it! 3, it has the "Sprint Music Store", something I highly doubt a European HTC Touch Diamond would have. Forth, there is no radio! None, nada, caput! I downloaded the Radio cab and installed it - even hooked up the wired headset since it needs that for an antennae - nada. I also saw postings that Sprint's phone doesn't do radio. Now I could complain to Sprint saying the HTC site boasted of an FM radio to which I'm sure Sprint will merely say "Well that's HTC. We are not HTC. Our site and our advertising never said anything about an FM Radio". Additionally the time on the home page is different. Finally, tools such as TF3D Config tool just bombs out as noted above. No, to me it's clear the Sprint phone is not the same as the HTC Touch Diamond from HTC itself.
It's not like I haven't been downloading and installing things that obviously Sprint wouldn't like. I got things like a Transparent Clock, Remove [Sprint] Logo, Flip Clock and Advanced Config and TF3D Config. I even played with downloading the HTC Audio Manager and the HTC Audio Manager Today Plugin. All of these things were cab files that I could easily, and relatively safely install, try and uninstall should it not work correctly. I'd love to "install a new Bluetooth stack" if that were doable. But burning a whole new ROM and permanently severing any hope of "support" from Sprint - voiding the warantee... Well I guess I'm not exactly there yet but you're right - I'll probably have to end up doing that.
Still it would be nice if I could get the original Sprint ROM and the HTC ROM and play around with at least a little hope of being able to go back.
Oh, and BTW, aside from the "Volume Down and Enter while powering up" thing, I recall having some .exe that I ran on my PC that did the burning of the ROM to the phone. IIRC there was some other sequence to get it to receive the ROM. Ah yes I documented this on my blog:
Once you have a ROM you run the installation process. First you need to get your phone in "Bootloader" mode. This means, on my phone, that you hold down the power and voice record buttons at the same time while you perform a soft reset. Now here's the tricky part: The screen appears to be black but if you look really carefully you'll notice it says "Serial". You'll probably have to look at it in the light and move the phone from side to side. Why the secretly displayed with no backlight screen is beyond me.
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What's that sequence for the HTC Touch Diamond? And do these ROMs then install to this phone in "bootloader" mode?
O.k., i didn't realize your Diamond was different from mine. I figured, if we both have the same hard and software, and it works here, it has to work for you too.. When i was with T-Mobile, i got a branded HTC Touch, but this branding was nothing else then they put their T-Mobile logo on the device, and they modified WM6 so that everything has pink icons (no wonder i flashed it whitin a week ).
But the hardware was identical to original HTC devices.
I recently moved to a less urban part of the country, where there is no T-Mobile reception so i had to switch carrier, and when i switched i got the Diamond. This new carrier was Telfort, and they didn't even brand or lock the device. The only reason i upgraded the software is because i read the performance would be better (and it is )
So i see now, your situation is really different..
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Forgive me but no button is labeled "enter". Which one is the "enter" button?
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It's the round button in the middle. But you can also go to => settings => system and click "clear storage".
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But burning a whole new ROM and permanently severing any hope of "support" from Sprint - voiding the warantee... Well I guess I'm not exactly there yet but you're right - I'll probably have to end up doing that.
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One thing you can do before you decide to flash is see at HTC's website if there is an update for your device.
Before you can download the ROM, you have to fill in the serial number from your Diamond. Then you will know if they even have an update for your device.
When you fill in the serial number you will automatically get the right update. I even got the update in my own language (i'm dutch).
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Still it would be nice if I could get the original Sprint ROM and the HTC ROM and play around with at least a little hope of being able to go back.
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I'll keep my eyes open.., if i ever see this ROM i'll pm you.
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Oh, and BTW, aside from the "Volume Down and Enter while powering up" thing, I recall having some .exe that I ran on my PC that did the burning of the ROM to the phone. IIRC there was some other sequence to get it to receive the ROM. Ah yes I documented this on my blog:
What's that sequence for the HTC Touch Diamond? And do these ROMs then install to this phone in "bootloader" mode?
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No, it's actually quite easy. It is an .exe you run from your desktop when activesync is connected. Click "next" a couple of times, wait +/- 7 mins until the progress bar reaches 100% and you're done... Nice website btw. I see you play the guitar as well
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But the hardware was identical to original HTC devices.
I'll probably end up just flashing to the HTC ROM. Hell most of my updates so far have been to get it to be more HTC-like as they did a nice job (and Sprint has screwed it up). I just need to get some extra spare time if you know how that is....
This new carrier was Telfort, and they didn't even brand or lock the device.
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Sigh. Someday the cell phone industry in the US will wake up and stop with this stupid branding, tickering and locking people in! Cell phone companies! It's easy - just provide good service and you're have customers coming out of your ass! But I digress (and rant!)
Nice website btw. I see you play the guitar as well
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Thanks. Haven't played guitar in years now. Music's not what it used to be (i.e. respected) or at least not here in the US. Again, different market...
Oh, another thing, BT related. It's been frustrating but lately when I get a call I cannot answer it with the BT headset! Looking at the phone and trying Menu: Turn Hands Free On is grayed out! Quite honestly I'm no longer used to having to hold a phone up to my ear! It's damn inconvenient! Just this weekend my sister called and I was outside detailing my car a bit listening to a radio show. I go to answer the phone and it drops the BT connection! So I'm talking to her and I cannot continue my work - my car will have to wait. So I go back inside and turn on the speaker phone to listen and talk while I fiddle with the Bluetooth settings attempting to get the damn Turn Hands Free On thing to work. I turn off BT on the phone. I turn of the BT headset I have. I turn them both one - nada. I go into Settings: Bluetooth: Device and Refresh to see if the Hands Free got toggled off. Nope. I delete the device and re-add/re-pair it. Nothing. Nothing I did would get it so that I could switch to using my BT headset so I could get back to doing my car. What causes Turn Hands Free On to gray out when BT is on and the device has Hands Free toggled on? I mean shouldn't that mean that I can use Hands Free from that device? BTW, of course, a soft reset of the phone fixes the problem but by then it's too late! It's damn frustrating. And god damn it, I ask you, how hard is it to get BT working correctly?!?
Now when I get a phone call my music stops, the BT disconnects and the phone starts ringing on the speaker. I answer it and the screen goes blank and the speaker phone kicks in. Damn this is convenient! This is exactly what I want my phone to do! It anticipates my every need! NOT!!!
(Now I know somewhere there was some setting to turn off the screen when the phone picks up but I can't find it anymore. And the dropping of the BT and instead automatically going to the speaker phone - so everybody else can hear - is just unacceptable! Really, this should not be this hard! Designers of phones and their UI's - WAKE UP! Geeze!).
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OK, I'm fed up. I'd say that just today alone I had to turn on Bluetooth after it turning itself off like 15 times today. Just going to the grocery store whenever I hit the pause button then attempted to resume playback, BT was lost - 3 times on the less than 1/2 mile drive back to my house! The HTC ROM and no support from Sprint can't be any worse!!!
I will need to spend some time getting the ROM and then preparing properly to take this step. Usually I'd do this on the weekend but my daughter's in town for the weekend so it might be the week after. I've heard about the HTC Original ROM but are there any better ones? Remember, BT reliability is high on my list. And if I can find a ROM that allows me to remove - completely gut - the HTC Audio Manager tab so that Pocket Player can have a chance at AVRCP then I'm all ears!!!
I promise to write a full report on my experiences, hopefully documenting the problems I currently have and the hopeful solutions the new ROM will give - or just the new set of problems which is probably more likely...
This has almost gotten me to the point of writing my own Bluetooth stack though something tells me that the reason it works so badly now is probably because the Bluetooth specification is overly complicated and not very well defined...
And thanks everyone for listening to my ranting and not coming down too hard on me. I'm frustrated and sometimes vent. Thanks for understanding...