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I'm in an area that supposedly has 3G coverage (Portland, Oregon). But...
My Tilt has never connected to the 3G network. I've gone to many areas thoughout the metro area, power cycled my phone (to see if it picked up new towers) but I never get 3G connectivity. The "3G" Icon has never displayed on my Tilt.
I've tried different radios which doesn't make a difference.
Suggestions anyone?
Wow, a local!
I have HSDPA almost everywhere in Portland (fastest 3G standard). Even with it not enabled, I have 3G in most of the metro area, including Vancouver where I live.
What icon is displayed?
I'm actually in Hillsboro, but it may as well be Portland.
Usually the "E" icon, and rarely I get the "H" icon.
I'm not sure what the "H" represents. I think its HSDPA, but I assume thats not 3G or as fast as 3G... and if it is then what's the "3G" icon all about?
HSDPA is what you want to see! It's the fastest version of 3G, and the newest available.
E is Edge, its 2G, not as fast but not horrible... Until Edge Evo comes out.
The data coverage maps from ATT are usually pretty bad. It doesnt have to say 3G for it to be 3G. HSDPA is 3G (the best) as well as other variants.
Do you notice a hit in your download speeds?
hmmmm... how confusing. If HSPDA is 3G. What's the point of the "3G" icon?
At my apartment I only get 1 maybe 2 bars of service if I am lucky so that means that while I am home "E" is the best I can get (or expect). But...
When I am out and about I get the "H" icon occasionally. Is there a good way to test my connection speed?
Yeah it's sort of weird... Here's a breakdown.
standards
GSM / UMTS (3GPP) Family
2G
* GSM
* GPRS
* EDGE (EGPRS)
o EDGE Evolution
* HSCSD
3G
* UMTS (3GSM)
* HSPA
o HSDPA
o HSUPA
o HSPA+
* UMTS-TDD
o TD-CDMA
o TD-SCDMA
* FOMA
Pre-4G
* UMTS Revision 8
o LTE
o HSOPA (Super 3G)
cdmaOne / CDMA2000 (3GP)
From - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G
I don't particularly like Wikipedia, but this should help. I'm sure there is a program that will test your connection speed, but you can try something simple like connecting and downloading a cab, lets say Google Maps. Then you can run Google Maps and see how fast you get your satellite image up. There is probably a better way but that should show any big differences.
EDIT: I should add that 3G usually denotes a mix or standards available. It's just a generalization, and the fastest will be chosen by your phone (this is how I understand it)
Also, what ROM and radio are you using?
well in the midwest AT&T was having problems with 3G they dont know why but all of a sudden their networks just failed idk if that is what is causing ur problem but i kept on getting an error saying that the phone couldnt connect to wap.cingular.
Thanks for that breakdown. Gives me a much better perspective.
I've tried a couple of the more popular ROMs. But recently I've been using Q-Mobile 1.2 - It's treated me well. I'm still trying to understand why Dutty's roms are so popular. I can't figure out what makes people flock to his ROM's over the others.
I've also tried out some different radio's. None of them seem to make any improvement (while at my apartment) but currently I am using 1.27.15.32 because I am under the impression that it is the newest radio and therefore should somehow be better.
I'm also unsure if I have the correct data connection settings setup after flashing a ROM. From what I am able to find the only thing I need to do is use "wap.cingular" Then I go into advanced settings and input the OpenDNS servers in for the DNS. Do I need to add any other AT&T specific information after flashing. I've read that there is some sort of proxy information needed as well but its not very clear.
Anywho, what settings for data do you use? What Radio, ROM?
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well in the midwest AT&T was having problems with 3G they dont know why but all of a sudden their networks just failed idk if that is what is causing ur problem but i kept on getting an error saying that the phone couldnt connect to wap.cingular.
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Yeah, I read about that. Aparently AT&T has no clue what happened. And to make matters worse there is more data outages today.
But I'm convinced that my issue is unrelated to all that since I've been experiencing these issues way before the data outages.
I'm glad that helped. I use the Stock HTC ROM 1.56.405.5 with Radio 1.27.12.11 (It's packaged with the radio). It's a legit HTC release, which means very little bugs and it's fast. Flash and hard-reset and you are good to go.
RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_1.56.405.5_radio_sign_22.45.88. 07_1.27.12.11_Ship.exe
You can find it here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=331900
Anyways, I've heard good things about the Q-Mobile roms, but I've been so happy with the .11 radio that the HTC stock works great for me. The .11 radio is also packaged in the stock ATT ROM your device shipped with.
When you first boot, it will prompt you to setup data, and for me it gets all the settings automatially and takes about 5 seconds to do it. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you just use the wap.cingular, but in all honestly I've never had to do it. I also am not sure why people go crazy over Dutty ROMS. It's almost blastphemy to say that on this forum, and I really appreciate his hard work but they arnt for me either. I like real fast,not too flashy and super usable (and stable, of course, why I love HTC stock ROM's)
I just looked now, my access point name is isp.cingular. Never bothered with it before.
I'll check up on this thread tomorrow, hope this helps you out!
Please ignore this.
Interesting... You make a good argument about the stock HTC ROM. I'll have to try that and see if reception and data speeds are any better.
Although my Tilt came with radio 1.27.12.17 - I've only had it for a couple of weeks so they may have put a newer radio on it.
As far as ROM's go, I'm just looking for something that I can use as a baseline. I don't like programs cooked in. I'd rather have a clean ROM and install what I want. But, on the other hand I do like how the cooked roms often contain the latest updates baked right in.
I'm off to flash to the HTC Stock ROM. I'll let you know how that goes.
Thanks for your help, it's nice to have a local to bounce things off of
I don't care for everything cooked in either. The HTC Stock is pretty bare-bones. The only thing I would recommend adding is Nadavi's upadted camera, dumped from Polaris...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355587
And of course the Tilt Keyboard Fix...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334911
Also, Youtube and streaming video work out of the box, you don't have to do anything fancy to get GPS working (run GPStest, etc...) and besides that there is not much needed. Any eye candy can be easily added.
BUT, remember to hard-reset after flash! It makes a big difference, at least for me.
Let me know how it goes!
Superspiker said:
I'm actually in Hillsboro, but it may as well be Portland.
Usually the "E" icon, and rarely I get the "H" icon.
I'm not sure what the "H" represents. I think its HSDPA, but I assume thats not 3G or as fast as 3G... and if it is then what's the "3G" icon all about?
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H is faster than standard UMTS, and yes, its HSDPA. You will only see the H while data is being actually sent/received though. When no data is being transferred you will see 3G.
-Jay
So I have, after reading many sets of instructions on this site decided not to attempt changing the rom on my TyTAN II. Is there any software available that I can use with my current phone configuration that will allow me to take advantage of the HSDPA network?
Download either Pocket Toolman 2 ......or....... Kaiser Tweak. With either of these programs you can enable the use of HSDPA.
I'm pretty sure that "enabling" HDPA is just basically enabling the icon.. Please, do speed tests tethered via USB before and after and report your results.
Testing the speed in-phone or tethered bluetooth won't give appropriate results.
Speed test
HSDPA speed in-phone is about 800 Kbits\sec
HSDPA speed Tethered is about 1800 Kbits\sec
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HSDPA speed in-phone is about 800 Kbits\sec
HSDPA speed Tethered is about 1800 Kbits\sec
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Um, yeah, sounds about right... I guess that's just backing up my post?
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I'm pretty sure that "enabling" HDPA is just basically enabling the icon..
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3G is only capable of 384kbps, HSDPA on the Kaiser gives the lowest specified HSDPA speed at 1.8Mbps. Still very significant difference.
kilrah said:
3G is only capable of 384kbps, HSDPA on the Kaiser gives the lowest specified HSDPA speed at 1.8Mbps. Still very significant difference.
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If I could get ICS to work anymore, I'd try it.. Maybe I'll try it again today. If I can get it to work, I'll toggle the setting in Schnaps and measure.
I just wish I could figure out why my fuze quit displaying the H icon, even though it is enabled in the registry, and double checked by the advanced config program.
Thanks
Hey guys thanks a ton. Kaiser Tweak is one of the best apps I have seen and sure enough among other things HSDPA is now enabled and my connection is way faster now.
not that bad
You know, you really should give flashing a try. Not too long ago I was just like you, unwilling to flash a very expensive piece of equipment. I went so far as to purchase a used 8525 and used it as my guinea pig. Needless to say, once i saw how simple it was, i had no reservations doing it on my tilt. Additionally, there are a few sites on these forums that will instruct you how to return your phones rom and SPL back to manufacturer's specs for warranty trade-in/repair. Give it a shot, it may look daunting when read, but is truely quite simple. And people here are always willing to help, even if you duplicate a thread!
Which is the newer of the two radios, differences so far from testers.
what happened to the radio download thread in dev.
thanks
The thread was unstuck because the OP abandoned it. All info in it should be moved to the wiki.
As for the 2 versions... I didn't know there were 2 different versions, so can't help you there. All I can tell you is I have the U version on mine.
Mine too. U version here, but I don't know what is the diference.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App
If it helps, i'm in the UK and have the 'H' version
pretty sure that u is distributed by google and h by htc.... not 100% though the g1 had the same thing. there is no real difference for the end user
They are the same. The difference is only your setting for ro.ril.hsxpa in build.prop. If you set it to 2 it will display U, otherwise H. If you are rooted you can change it yourself and see. It's function is to enable/disable HSDPA and HSUPA. If I remember correctly 0 = HSDPA/HSUPA disabled, 1 = HSDPA enabled, 2 = HSDPA/HSUPA enabled.
blunden said:
They are the same. The difference is only your setting for ro.ril.hsxpa in build.prop. If you set it to 2 it will display U, otherwise H. If you are rooted you can change it yourself and see. It's function is to enable/disable HSDPA and HSUPA. If I remember correctly 0 = HSDPA/HSUPA disabled, 1 = HSDPA enabled, 2 = HSDPA/HSUPA enabled.
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This is the best explanation !
Thanks Man , had myself the same OP question
pvillasuso said:
This is the best explanation !
Thanks Man , had myself the same OP question
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I'm glad you found it useful.
Perhaps I should add that the optimal setting for that variable depends on your carrier. In Europe you should probably set it to '2' since most, if not all, carriers should support HSUPA in their 3G networks. In the US, I think serveral of the carriers support it as well. Perhaps someone else can provide that information?
Hsxpa should always be set to 2. There's no reason to ever artificially limit your phone from hsupa. If hsupa does not exist, then your phone automatically drops down to hsdpa. And besides, both t-mobile and ATT support hsupa, so no reason to ever not use it.
I just did this on my telus hero and if I switch it to 0 I lose connection because telus is ONLY HSDPA/HSUPA.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App
RogerPodacter said:
Hsxpa should always be set to 2. There's no reason to ever artificially limit your phone from hsupa. If hsupa does not exist, then your phone automatically drops down to hsdpa. And besides, both t-mobile and ATT support hsupa, so no reason to ever not use it.
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True. I just tried to indicate why the setting existed. It's changed to 2 in most custom roms though for the very reason you describe.
Phone Radio Compatibility Details Requested (both general and US T-mobile specific)
I have been doing a lot of researching regarding this phone and all of its cousins as well as how they will operate on the various US carriers. I have the following requirements for my next phone purchase:
1) Must be an Android device
2) Must have front facing camera (for international video calls to relatives)
3) Must be GSM (for compatibility with local prepaid SIM cards when traveling)
As AT&T and T-mobile are the only two carriers in the US (the only two viable ones at least, I don't know if any smaller carriers use GSM) and I refuse to renew my contract with AT&T that narrows it down to one option.
I have been researching the different carrier frequencies, both what they are and why they are different. It seems T-mobile decided to be special and as a result it is nearly impossible to get a T-mobile high speed compatible phone unless you purchase it from them directly. I almost want to call that evil, but it is easy to believe that is just a bad side effect rather than the intent.
Anyways, as we all know the Galaxy S has been severely nerfed by everyone except for Sprint. If Sprint only had a GSM phone that I could use internationally I would pick up their model, but alas it is not. I will not purchase the Vibrant because it lacks the front facing camera. My last option is the unlocked Galaxy S available abroad unless I am missing something.
Most of the online retailers I have seen all list different band frequencies and not even all of them have it divided into 2G/3G frequencies. I have some specific questions, but if you have any useful information for me I would appreciate it.
Question 1: Do the online retailers just suck, or are there truly many different frequency bands for the unlocked Galaxy S?
Question 2: Does anyone know of a Galaxy S phone that is fully compatible with T-mobile in the US (not the Vibrant, I need the front facing camera)? If not, would it be good enough?
Question 3: The radio bands I have ready about are usually divided into 2G and 3G categories. Is the phone radio physically divided into one for 2G and another for 3G, or is it the same radio and those are the frequencies USUALLY used by the different speeds? If I see the appropriate T-mobile high speed frequencies listed under 2G, would that mean the radio is in fact compatible with the T-mobile 3G because the radio can talk on that frequency, or is the hardware actually different and unable to comprehend the 3G speeds?
Bumping my own thread and also wondering if anyone has any recommended vendors to buy the international Galaxy S in the United States.
i bought mine from handtec.co.uk and it is working ok..
beware though that at&t unfort. in my error has been slowly getting rid of 1900 3g and more 850 3g which does not work on the phone..
at least at home the microcells are 1900 3g.
Radio chip/antennae changes?
It seems the internal Galaxy's electronics is all the same or modular. Is there a chance to take the radio module out of T-Mobile body and put it into the Sprint's nice hardware? How easy it is to obtain the desired component?
related post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=718041
[Q] Which CSC (Phono/radio) version will give the best results?
I'm wondering what CSC-version (Or is it the Phone/Modem?) will give the best results in The Netherlands with Vodafone as telecom provider, or maybe... where can i find the stock version of the radio (and is it possible to use it with a root?)
I'm using Froyo (I9000XXJPC) - Rooted, but I'm wondering if my connection isn't worse since updating, I believe my 3G/HSDPA is weaker since then.
Anyone the same problem?
I also have the same problem, but already since upgrading to jm1 trough KIES.
I think we need a i9000XEN CSC.
shumix said:
I also have the same problem, but already since upgrading to jm1 trough KIES.
I think we need a i9000XEN CSC.
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Is the "i9000XEN CSC" the stock one?
I'm not on JPC but changing from JM3 to JP2 (modem) actually makes my GSM signal and wifi sort of worse, dropping 1-2 bars at the exact same location compare to JM5
CSC has NOTHING to do with reception or 3g whatsoever... its just branding stuff and APN etc...
the MODEM file is the one you need to look out for!
Right now i'm on JM1 (rev03) with the appropriate modem file and i have no problem whatsoever!
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CSC has NOTHING to do with reception or 3g whatsoever... its just branding stuff and APN etc...
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You sir, are wrong.
I have a Bell I9000M and flashed the new HK JP2 Froyo to it. I lost my 850mhz UMTS Band. I then flashed back to stock JH2, including the modem and still no band. The only thing that fixed it was doing the *#272*xxxx# CSC select. Once I did that, bingo, 850MHZ Reception.
I know what you're saying SHOULD be correct, but unfortunately, it is not.
I'm still correct! CSC contains carrier costumizations. Which also can contain settings to ENABLE the 850mhz radio band!
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I'm still correct! CSC contains carrier costumizations. Which also can contain settings to ENABLE the 850mhz radio band!
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So, enabling/disabling a band doesn't have anything to do with reception?
So, when I get no reception because I'm in an 850MHZ ONLY area, which is disabled by the CSC. The CSC has nothing to do with it? I don't see the logic there, but alright.
You can use whatever CSC you want as long it enables the 850MHz band. It doesnt matter what CSC...
Modem file is the one that contains the drivers for the radiochip etc... A better modem file means that you can get higher 3G/Wifi speeds or even have better reception.
The CSC only contains the setting to enable the band.. nothing more nothing less
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You can use whatever CSC you want as long it enables the 850MHz band. It doesnt matter what CSC...
Modem file is the one that contains the drivers for the radiochip etc... A better modem file means that you can get higher 3G/Wifi speeds or even have better reception.
The CSC only contains the setting to enable the band.. nothing more nothing less
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Cool man, I was directly referring to:
BackfireNL said:
CSC has NOTHING to do with reception or 3g whatsoever... its just branding stuff and APN etc...
the MODEM file is the one you need to look out for!
Right now i'm on JM1 (rev03) with the appropriate modem file and i have no problem whatsoever!
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Which was wrong. No service due to CSC = No Reception. Plain and simple. You can argue what you meant all day, it's not what you said.
I'm done with this. I apologize to the OP for having this thread turn into this childishness.
Have a good day.
BackfireNL is right. Selecting a CSC indicates which band/frequency the radio will use according to the place you are.
dnsp said:
BackfireNL is right. Selecting a CSC indicates which band/frequency the radio will use according to the place you are.
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Uhh, that's what I said, disagreeing with his "CSC has NOTHING to do with reception" comment.
Just so you two know, the actual Merriam-Webster definition of reception is:
"the act or action or an instance of receiving"
CSC not allowing 850MHZ = No Reception.
If you're taking about small increases/decreases in quality of reception, then absolutely yes, CSC has no effect. But that is not what was stated.
Confused...
Okay... thanx, both of you!
I've learned a lot new thinks...
Finally... I understand that I must use the Modem file if I have issues with the reception of the 3G network, but which version should give me the best results for my provider (Vodafone/Netherlands) and the new Froyo (JPC), and where can I get that modem file?
The Radio Chip in the SGS
ht tp://ww w.triquint.com/prodserv/more_info/proddisp.aspx?prod_id=TQM6M9014
(remove spaces)
That is the chip, now if I understand that right, it is a Pentaband radio. So that would mean it is all locked out in software.
No?
Users in the U.S., What Radio are you using?
I am running CFLagFix1.60(StockXXJF3) and using AT&T.
Everything works fine, except for a weak signal.
I can receive and make calls, but at times have calls dropped.
My home is in an area where there is a weak signal.
I am not try to get 3G, just a stronger signal.
May not be possible, but worth a try.
Signal is fine when not at home.
I have tried the following Radios without boosting the signal.
MODEM_I9000XXJF3.tar
I9000UGJH2-Modem
MODEM_I9000XXJP2.tar
bell_I9000_radio - No signal with the bell_I9000_radio
Any suggestions, or is it a lost cause?
Is this a haiku?
PS It would help telling us what carrier you are using it on.
Ok, I've done some research here and at a few other forums and I can't seem to nail down a proper answer or methodology or precisely what I'm looking for so here goes:
I have a GS4A, it's unlocked with an AT&T supplied unlock code, it has been edited to allow for the T-Mobile AWS support (and I can choose the 1700 MHz bands easily if so desired as well as the 1900, etc, basically anything since it's now "wide open"). I am wondering what's the best choice for use with T-Mobile with respect to the WCDMA/CDMA/GSM/LTE potential?
For the record, the best speeds that I've achieved so far are about 13.5 Mbps down and 12 Mbps up, using the "WCDMA Preferred" setting in the *#*#4636#*#* menu but even that is somewhat unreliable - and yes I realize that the very nature of using wireless devices means you could do 100 tests in a row and get anywhere from terrible results to fantastic ones and then back to crap in the same test.
So while I can (and have) chosen all the apparent modes, I'm just curious to know what anyone might suggest or share their experience with the GS4A on T-Mobile, especially with the newer AWS enabled cities/locations. My current setting is again "WDCMA Preferred" and it'll show as HSPA:11 (if I muck with the LTE stuff it'll show LTE:14) and so far it's been working fine, or as fine as I think fine is I suppose.
Thanks...
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Ok, I've done some research here and at a few other forums and I can't seem to nail down a proper answer or methodology or precisely what I'm looking for so here goes:
I have a GS4A, it's unlocked with an AT&T supplied unlock code, it has been edited to allow for the T-Mobile AWS support (and I can choose the 1700 MHz bands easily if so desired as well as the 1900, etc, basically anything since it's now "wide open"). I am wondering what's the best choice for use with T-Mobile with respect to the WCDMA/CDMA/GSM/LTE potential?
For the record, the best speeds that I've achieved so far are about 13.5 Mbps down and 12 Mbps up, using the "WCDMA Preferred" setting in the *#*#4636#*#* menu but even that is somewhat unreliable - and yes I realize that the very nature of using wireless devices means you could do 100 tests in a row and get anywhere from terrible results to fantastic ones and then back to crap in the same test.
So while I can (and have) chosen all the apparent modes, I'm just curious to know what anyone might suggest or share their experience with the GS4A on T-Mobile, especially with the newer AWS enabled cities/locations. My current setting is again "WDCMA Preferred" and it'll show as HSPA:11 (if I muck with the LTE stuff it'll show LTE:14) and so far it's been working fine, or as fine as I think fine is I suppose.
Thanks...
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Try this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2373003
I've got my service mode (*#2263#) set to automatic, works pretty well. I live north of KC and get T-Mobile LTE pretty often.
Funny how I get an answer when I was thinking about posting another question related to this very topic, odd.
Anyway, yeah, I've been playing with this GS4A for a few days and trying out not only different modes (WCDMA Preferred seems to be the best so far here in downtown Las Vegas and around the area, LTE/GSM is somewhat fast but very sporadic with the data transfers, and GSM just drops it to 2G/EDGE mode immediately).
The next question I was about to ask would be: does anyone have any info about the different HSPA modes? With the phone set to WCDMA Preferred it shows HSPA:11 and I'm wondering if it's possible to force a specific HSPA mode so I can throttle it down to a lower speed - I don't want to start a long thread about the how's and why's of my choice, suffice to say I believe that a solid lower speed connection of a few megabits per second is highly preferable to having that sporadic crap that spikes all over the place from absolutely nothing to 28Mbps and then back to zero again a second later, if that makes any sense.
I did some searching online for a chart of list of the HSPA modes but I swear I can't find anything that provides useful info at all, sadly.
Guess my Google-Fu just ain't what it used to be, so I figured I'd just ask here where people are far more knowledgeable than I about such things.
Thanks...