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HSUPA on Diamond

I've seen I can activate the HSUPA on my Diamond, so I did it, but how can I know if I'm connected using HSDPA or HSUPA, is there an other icon? (like an H+ icon)

You'll get an H icon instead of 3G or G.

I've already got an H with HSDPA, but is it the same with HSUPA?

d3us said:
I've seen I can activate the HSUPA on my Diamond, so I did it, but how can I know if I'm connected using HSDPA or HSUPA, is there an other icon? (like an H+ icon)
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i read that the icon will change to U

Aqrab said:
i read that the icon will change to U
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Not so sure i believe that myself...U was the old 3G icon that was used in early WM5 builds, but most people call it 3G, not UMTS so they changed it.
@d3us. you do realise that HSDPA and HSUPA are the same thing in different directions right? it's not an either or thing. they work together at the same time. HSDPA is the download link and HSUPA is the upload link.
So if you have enabled it, and your network supports it, and it is enabled on your account.....you should be using both HSDPA and HSUPA when you see the H icon, but for most of the time, and unless you are sending serious amounts of data, you'd never notice it just browsing, watching youtube and using messenger.
however, sending emails with huge attachments....then you might notice it.

I don't know if it's enabled on my account, that's why I was wondering, then the only way to know is to test my upload rate.

yeah you wont see any difference on the display.
your upload will just be alot faster

what network you on?
AFAIK, in the UK, the only network that has turned HSUPA on for their whole network is t-mobile. although as they share with 3, i wouldn't be surprised if they had it as well.
if your on any of the other UK networks, or in another country, i can't tell you i'm afraid.

3 in Denmark says that they don't support HSUPA but I still get a much higher upload when I enable it

it could well be that they are working to launch it and have just not announced it yet. Vodafone in the UK had HSDPA for a couple of months before they actually announced it to the public.....
Still, if you're getting the higher speeds, that's pretty sweet!

I'm using Orange in France, they should have deployed the HSUPA in some cities since January but I can't test now since I'm still on holidays using an EDGE connection^^
Orange claims HSUPA improve the ping, I hope it's true.

HSDPA and HSUPA?

Can someone please clarify the difference between HSDPA and HSUPA?? I know HSDPA is the next one up from 3G in terms of speed, but am unsure of what the D and U stand for (guessing variants of similar?).
From what I can see HSUPA was not enabled by default on most older ROMS, but could be in the registry or using something like AdvancedConfig. However I notice that it is enabled by default on the latest Vodafone ROM (v1.97.x.4, a horrible looking branded ROM that I had to get rid of, but with some interesting 'latest and greatest' components hidden in there).
Lastly to sum this one up in my own context - a UK user on Vodafone - do I gain any benefit from having it enabled?
Thanks!

SimonW500 said:
Can someone please clarify the difference between HSDPA and HSUPA?? I know HSDPA is the next one up from 3G in terms of speed, but am unsure of what the D and U stand for (guessing variants of similar?).
From what I can see HSUPA was not enabled by default on most older ROMS, but could be in the registry or using something like AdvancedConfig. However I notice that it is enabled by default on the latest Vodafone ROM (v1.97.x.4, a horrible looking branded ROM that I had to get rid of, but with some interesting 'latest and greatest' components hidden in there).
Lastly to sum this one up in my own context - a UK user on Vodafone - do I gain any benefit from having it enabled?
Thanks!
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Wikipedia has a lot of info on HSDPA and HSUPA and the differences.
As for enabling it on the Diamond, someone else will have to help you
Dave

Thanks for the prompt reply. Indeed you're probably right - I could've used Google a bit more prior to posting.
To answer my own question / for the benefit of others:
They are both HSPA protocol implementations although achieve it using slightly differing methods, therefore while similar are distinctly different and not directly compatible.
It seems Vodafone in the UK has both HSDPA and HSUPA networks, therefore I guess it *IS* of benefit to have it enabled (potentially more chance of picking up a network signal faster than 3G).

The D stands for download and the U for upload. They are all part of the same service, just used for different directions of data travel. Some networks have one and not the other some have both.
Not absolutely sure but judging from the maximum upload speeds quoted by HTC for the Touch Diamond it does not support HSUPA anyway

3g? 3.5g? Hsdpa??

Hi everyone,
my data plan covers 3G and also HSDPA......im currently using the JF1.51 and when i use the go online with the device, it only shows the 3G logo....... does cupcake only cover up to 3G instead of HSDPA?
if anyone knows, please tell me, thanks alot....
p.s. i tried the Hero rom last month and after setting the APN, it showed "H" instead of "3G".....does it mean that the Hero rom has "unlocked" the HSDPA function?
thanks alot

zgmf-x322a said:
Hi everyone,
my data plan covers 3G and also HSDPA......im currently using the JF1.51 and when i use the go online with the device, it only shows the 3G logo....... does cupcake only cover up to 3G instead of HSDPA?
if anyone knows, please tell me, thanks alot....
p.s. i tried the Hero rom last month and after setting the APN, it showed "H" instead of "3G".....does it mean that the Hero rom has "unlocked" the HSDPA function?
thanks alot
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The H in Hero is just a custom icon by HTC. All Dreams are capable of HSxPA regardless of whether that icon shows up or not. As for the carrier side, you are most likely on HSDPA. If you are on any T-Mobile network or most Asian networks (Taiwan, Japan, China) they are HSDPA. An easy way to verify is to start a speed test. Any speed higher than 384Kb/s downstream (384Kb/s ~= 48KByte/sec) means you are on HSDPA.
If all that was too complex, just assume you are on HSDPA.

Iconz
I had thesame issue with the Touch Pro on sprint, it only shows the EVDO icon when connecting, however, sprint is even advertising their new 4G network but I have not seen my phone ever go to 3G or above. I thought something was wrong with my phone...
I went to sprint to get it exchanged because I bought the phone for the faster service. I was given a big spill over the offered network on sprint.
Your answer: Basically, some icons are not unlocked in some roms or are not even included depending on your service provider. This being said, you will most likely have to have the custom rom to get this to show up on your phone.
But even if your phone does not show that icon, test it and see if it uses the technology.
- What I did is took my TP to my friend who has the new Iphone 3G and we started the YOUTUBE app and loaded the exact same video. Even though his showed the 3G icon all the time and mine only showed EVDO, my phone brought the video up almost 5 seconds before the Iphone ever did, not to mention the quality of video is so much better.
Ok, I see that I am rambling, I hope that this helps though, however, if I have been informed incorrectly, please someone correct me because I would like the other icons too, just for my aesthetic needs.

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The H in Hero is just a custom icon by HTC. All Dreams are capable of HSxPA regardless of whether that icon shows up or not. As for the carrier side, you are most likely on HSDPA. If you are on any T-Mobile network or most Asian networks (Taiwan, Japan, China) they are HSDPA. An easy way to verify is to start a speed test. Any speed higher than 384Kb/s downstream (384Kb/s ~= 48KByte/sec) means you are on HSDPA.
If all that was too complex, just assume you are on HSDPA.
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hey there, thanks for the reply mate, at the moment i am in hong kong using the gprs network to go online :S
im not really sure about the last sentence that u wrote haha.....but i am really hoping that i am using the hsdpa.....but the 3G icon in jf1.51......really makes me feel uncomfortable when i see it......i hope u r right mate. once again, thanks

mapaz04 said:
I had thesame issue with the Touch Pro on sprint, it only shows the EVDO icon when connecting, however, sprint is even advertising their new 4G network but I have not seen my phone ever go to 3G or above. I thought something was wrong with my phone...
I went to sprint to get it exchanged because I bought the phone for the faster service. I was given a big spill over the offered network on sprint.
Your answer: Basically, some icons are not unlocked in some roms or are not even included depending on your service provider. This being said, you will most likely have to have the custom rom to get this to show up on your phone.
But even if your phone does not show that icon, test it and see if it uses the technology.
- What I did is took my TP to my friend who has the new Iphone 3G and we started the YOUTUBE app and loaded the exact same video. Even though his showed the 3G icon all the time and mine only showed EVDO, my phone brought the video up almost 5 seconds before the Iphone ever did, not to mention the quality of video is so much better.
Ok, I see that I am rambling, I hope that this helps though, however, if I have been informed incorrectly, please someone correct me because I would like the other icons too, just for my aesthetic needs.
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thanks for the reply man, u gave me some ideas to what i need to do....
iv just tested out the jac hero (mod version from Nismo)....my gprs connection varies from the "H" icon and the "3G" icon......somehow i assume that it is running in between both speeds?
haha,
once again, gotta thanks to the bro who replied real quick....u r good guys unlike some members in the xda who arent willing to help with simple questions

i got an ev icon
this is kind of in relation to this thread...i was running one of drizzys hero builds and i was in new york one night...this only happens when im in the village..dont know why but anywho...i got an ev icon..im assuming that was for evdo cause i heard the new hero dumps have cdma support..dont know if im very wrong but the icon switched from 3g to ev and when i got on the browser i was impressed...my connection was flaming fast i mean ridiculous ive never seen nething like it...can anyone elaborate

bonkasnucca said:
this is kind of in relation to this thread...i was running one of drizzys hero builds and i was in new york one night...this only happens when im in the village..dont know why but anywho...i got an ev icon..im assuming that was for evdo cause i heard the new hero dumps have cdma support..dont know if im very wrong but the icon switched from 3g to ev and when i got on the browser i was impressed...my connection was flaming fast i mean ridiculous ive never seen nething like it...can anyone elaborate
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Your rom can't give you cdma support, that is hardware related. And the G1 is only on GSM networks not any CDMA's so you might have seen some other type of icon because it is not possible to get EVDO on any G1.

these were my thought exactly...but i promise and swear to you it said EV not evdo but EV and my connection was faster than ive ever seen before..im going to get that screenshot capture nd next time wen i go to the spot where it happened i will show you...dont know how its possible or what it was..but it was super fast

bonkasnucca said:
these were my thought exactly...but i promise and swear to you it said EV not evdo but EV and my connection was faster than ive ever seen before..im going to get that screenshot capture nd next time wen i go to the spot where it happened i will show you...dont know how its possible or what it was..but it was super fast
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I aint saying I don't believe you, I just know it is impossible to get CDMA on a G1 no matter what rom or dump. What I would assume is it was HSxPA and the rom you used had a dump from the sprint hero. That could explain why you had a EV icon and is most likely what happened. Like the other guy said his touch pro had a EV icon although it was getting 3G, so since you do have a 3G icon and it switched to EV it is probably because the area you were in had HSxPA.

yea that makes sense but wow was it fast..thanx for the input

HSUPA gets like 7.2mbps so it is like cable almost, I'm not sure about HSDPA but its is pretty quick too.

how would i get this speed on my g1? im on tmobile with the android plan..

roadrunnerx7 said:
how would i get this speed on my g1? im on tmobile with the android plan..
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Go somewhere that has t-mobile 3g coverage. That is the only way to get the speed you inquired about. If it's not in your area yet, be patient. They are doing alot of expansions to their network. If you live in a rather remote area (ex: somewhere that doesn't have EDGE coverage) don't hold your breath. It's gonna be a while.
crpercodani: HSUPA gets like 7.2mbps so it is like cable almost, I'm not sure about HSDPA but its is pretty quick too.
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HSDPA and HSUPA are both 3G telephony protocols in the HSPA family. They are two parts of the same thing. HSDPA (Downlink) provides up to 14 Mbit/s. HSUPA (Uplink) provides up to 5.8 Mbit/s.
btw HSPA (or 3g as US carriers call it) is CDMA. Though different from CDMA2000(EV-DO) which is what you were refering to, UMTS is still CDMA based.
And to those confused about the Icons. 3g and HSPA are two names for the same thing. The icon you see simply depends on what the common name for the technology is in the locale the rom was originally designed for. Google based roms usually show 3g whereas HTC based roms sometimes hav H instead. The only difference is the icon.
as for those with EV icons. They are probably from the samsung galaxy system dump. Not to say it's not out there, but I haven't heard anything about a sprint version of the hero rom surfacing yet.

Ohh I guess I didn't have it right. But I know I have seen something about HSxPA gettin 7.2. Damn 14mbits is insane for a cell, I wish I got that in my area. My DSL is only like 7mbits dl and 1.something upload.

Should get it eventually. I only get 7.2 as well, but t-mobile has the whole 1700 band leased, so we might get lucky over the next few years.

[Q] HSPDA Icon Question

Any one know how the i9000 roms show "H" for HSPDA but the captivate shows "3g"? I looked in the framework-res.apk but the connection images look the same. Will much appreciate an answer.

It is the modem that gives hsupa "H" support, not the ROM. Unless the ROM is packaged with the reoriented kernel and modem for the I9000 it does not support hsupa. Captivate does not support hsupa by default unless you are using a different modem than the stock modem. I could be wrong but after months of mods to my phone and experimenting with different ROM and kernel packages this is my understanding. Also be careful when flashing kernels and be sure to use only those made to use with Captivate or you will have auto rotation and button problems.
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rraquib said:
Any one know how the i9000 roms show "H" for HSPDA but the captivate shows "3g"? I looked in the framework-res.apk but the connection images look the same. Will much appreciate an answer.
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what he said ^
H on the I9000 stands for HSUPA... not HSPDA...
EDIT: Also.. this sort of question.. belongs in the general questions forum

jslee1020 said:
what he said ^
H on the I9000 stands for HSUPA... not HSPDA...
EDIT: Also.. this sort of question.. belongs in the general questions forum
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Exactly the opposite, in fact. HSUPA is not indicated anywhere in the notification bar GUI.

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id10terrordfw said:
Exactly the opposite, in fact. HSUPA is not indicated anywhere in the notification bar GUI.
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id10terrordfw is right. For the poster above, I am working on a custom rom and trying to figure out how to display the correct icons. So does it belong to dev section or not?

id10terrordfw said:
Exactly the opposite, in fact. HSUPA is not indicated anywhere in the notification bar GUI.
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This is +1. H is just the 3g icon on the i9000. It has nothing to do with HSUPA. Even when HSDPA is enabled, the H is still there on the i9000 roms (try the i9000 rom with a captivate kernel and see what happens).
I like the H better, but I have no clue where to find it. Someone like DG, or someone who's torn the entire rom apart to find stuff, would know where it is.

madjsp said:
This is +1. H is just the 3g icon on the i9000. It has nothing to do with HSUPA. Even when HSDPA is enabled, the H is still there on the i9000 roms (try the i9000 rom with a captivate kernel and see what happens).
I like the H better, but I have no clue where to find it. Someone like DG, or someone who's torn the entire rom apart to find stuff, would know where it is.
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Oddly enough the connection icons are the same on both roms. It must be controlled by something else that displays those icons.

On the i9000 the H icon only comes up when there is (a lot of?) data being sent otherwise the logo always shows up as 3G
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BTTNext said:
On the i9000 the H icon only comes up when there is (a lot of?) data being sent otherwise the logo always shows up as 3G
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This is not entirely true. HSUPA is 3.5g, 3g is 3g, and my phone switches between 2g, H, and 3g depending on my location and which the tower is supporting. My area supports all three and each shows up in my notification bar depending on which is being used. This is because I am running both an I9000 ROM and kernel with the JPM modem. I have all bandwidths enabled. It shows "H" even when no data is being transmitted.
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ok, I'm going to try and clarify this, but the poster directly above me had it mostly right.
The i9000 ROM's are capable of showing G (GPRS), E (EDGE), 3G (3G), H (HSPA)... the reason our device will only show the first three and not H is because AT&T (and most US GSM carriers) have decided to lump 3G and HSPA in the same category. So when 3G is shown, you are likely already connected to an HSPA network, AT&T just considers them "close enough" to not need a different icon. This behavior can be modified, and I think DesignGears said it is a simple boolean fix in one of the XML files to allow both HSPA and 3G to be shown (I have not personally looked into this, but I see no reason why this wouldn't be so).
The European firmwares make the distinction because there are some places that are exclusively 3G and some places that are exclusively HSPA, and they can't be 100% certain where the phones are going to be sold, so they differentiate between the two. It has nothing to do with the fact that the icons are there, those are just pictures (they have no code).
Also, yes, this doesn't belong in development, General would likely be a better place.

When I had the froyo i9000 rom 2.2, Mine switched between H, 3g, and E, There were very noticable differences in speed when I was on H, 3g or E for that matter. when the H was on speed test would go up to 7mb and 3g like 1.7. hsupa and hsdpa is the same thing, u stands for upload and d stands for download. when you are on that and H is displayed u can get up to 7.2 mb at cap speed, but prob more like 3 mb to 6 mb on average. Those that are saying other wise maybe your wireless network hasnt been totally upgraded yet, I dont know but there are differences. The reason stock doesnt get it is because its not rolled out yet. The first thing to get true 3.5g or hsdpa is the air cards for computers, this came directly from a att general manager, then when systems are upgraded enough they will roll out ota's to the phones to beable to jump on 3.5 g U dont have to wait for it though u can do as some have said and use the modem for it.

HSDPA -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
HSUPA -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Uplink_Packet_Access
HSPA (when you have both HSDPA and HSUPA) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access
HSPA+ (like T-Mobile is rolling out) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA
W-CDMA/UMTS (what all of these are a part of) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W-CDMA_(UMTS)
No need to argue further.

My fault on my first post.
However... if certain I9000 roms choose to display H even when connected to 3G... couldn't we just swap out .png files in framework-res??
Look inside with zip... and pull out the drawables folder. Inside are all the notification bar icons for data. Replace the H files with the files for 3G... and shouldn't that fix it?

jslee1020 said:
My fault on my first post.
However... if certain I9000 roms choose to display H even when connected to 3G... couldn't we just swap out .png files in framework-res??
Look inside with zip... and pull out the drawables folder. Inside are all the notification bar icons for data. Replace the H files with the files for 3G... and shouldn't that fix it?
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no i9000 ROM displays H when connected to 3G. 3G and H are two different things.

[Q] Change 3g to 3.5g

Does N1 have 3.5G capability?
If not, is it possible to add that capability via Android upgrade?
Sorry if my question is too noobishly.

l1k3m1k3 said:
Sorry if my question is too noobishly.
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It is. Incredibly so.
3.5G = HSDPA
HSDPA is on pretty much any phone that's been released in the past few years.

>_>
Thanks.

Rusty! said:
It is. Incredibly so.
3.5G = HSDPA
HSDPA is on pretty much any phone that's been released in the past few years.
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can i get the H icon or HSDPA option in the the phone info but i dont wanna root my mobile nexus one

Change 3g to 3.5g, hello XDA, i know this is rooted world, but can i get the HSDPA option in my nexus one through *#*#info#*#* so i can set it to 3.5g as i cannot see any H icon or more i only see 3G always,
i only see the options WCDMA only WCDMA preferred and other CDMA etc...
can any one help me to change 3g to H or 3.5G please when i connect the same data line to computer its HSPA connection but on my nexus one its not.
hello i dont want to root my phone
thank you

Unfortunately, without rooting your phone, you can't get HSPA differentiation. That's actually a big draw for many people in order to root and load someone's ROM.
The reason for this is that the framework-res.apk file (the file that houses the actual pictures that make up your status bar, among other things, does not include an H icon. It only has 3G for both states. At least setting it to WCDMA preferred or WCDMA only (what I use), you know that you're most likely on 3.5G.
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Change 3g to 3.5g, hello XDA, i know this is rooted world, but can i get the HSDPA option in my nexus one through *#*#info#*#* so i can set it to 3.5g as i cannot see any H icon or more i only see 3G always,
i only see the options WCDMA only WCDMA preferred and other CDMA etc...
can any one help me to change 3g to H or 3.5G please when i connect the same data line to computer its HSPA connection but on my nexus one its not.
hello i dont want to root my phone
thank you
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Thanks for your reply mate I hope we get some official update so we can get the hspa or atleast hspda
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Ok, I see some potential misunderstanding here.
Working on HSxPA isn't up to your phone - it's up to your cellular carrier. If you have HSxPA network capability - the phone will use it, because it's capable of using it. You can't make it use more or less of it, it's either used or not used.
On the other hand, the icons above may not show "H" for HSxPA, it depends on the ROM. AFAIK some European Vodafone ROMs show "H", but stock Google ROMs don't. If all you're looking for is "H" icon - then your best bet is to root and install custom ROM.

You need to root to get that icon.

Why I don't see hsdpa option while using #*#*4636#*#* only wcdma
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Thanks mate for your reply I will never root my Nexus one
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Why not its so easy? Warrenty?

Err sorry. I wasn't clear enough. What I meant was that you may be in HSPA but it won't say it unless you load a custom ROM.
Go to Settings -> About Phone -> Status Under network type, you should see HSDPA.

Threads Merged.
Two topics right next to each other asking the exact same question. Next time, please look for similar threads / use the search function.
Thank you.

I might if I had two phones but I don't and I can't afford
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I was first and searched but no forums it say hsdpa in setting but its not its wcdma in *#*#4636#*#* I want to set there hsdpa thanks anyway
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You can't lock the phone on HSDPA, and you don't want to even if you could.

ruhismile said:
I was first and searched but no forums it say hsdpa in setting but its not its wcdma in *#*#4636#*#* I want to set there hsdpa thanks anyway
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Did you try going to Settings -> About Phone -> Status and then looking for Network Type? There is where you should see HSDPA if available. My Nexus One on Tmo US showed it even before I rooted and enabled HSPA differentiation (the icon showing H instead of 3G when on HSPA).

willverduzco said:
Err sorry. I wasn't clear enough. What I meant was that you may be in HSPA but it won't say it unless you load a custom ROM.
Go to Settings -> About Phone -> Status Under network type, you should see HSDPA.
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Not true, you just need a modified framework-res.apk

Yes. It shows hsdpa in settings but not info where we set the network thanks
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