[Q] HSPDA Icon Question - Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Any one know how the i9000 roms show "H" for HSPDA but the captivate shows "3g"? I looked in the framework-res.apk but the connection images look the same. Will much appreciate an answer.

It is the modem that gives hsupa "H" support, not the ROM. Unless the ROM is packaged with the reoriented kernel and modem for the I9000 it does not support hsupa. Captivate does not support hsupa by default unless you are using a different modem than the stock modem. I could be wrong but after months of mods to my phone and experimenting with different ROM and kernel packages this is my understanding. Also be careful when flashing kernels and be sure to use only those made to use with Captivate or you will have auto rotation and button problems.
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rraquib said:
Any one know how the i9000 roms show "H" for HSPDA but the captivate shows "3g"? I looked in the framework-res.apk but the connection images look the same. Will much appreciate an answer.
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what he said ^
H on the I9000 stands for HSUPA... not HSPDA...
EDIT: Also.. this sort of question.. belongs in the general questions forum

jslee1020 said:
what he said ^
H on the I9000 stands for HSUPA... not HSPDA...
EDIT: Also.. this sort of question.. belongs in the general questions forum
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Exactly the opposite, in fact. HSUPA is not indicated anywhere in the notification bar GUI.

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id10terrordfw said:
Exactly the opposite, in fact. HSUPA is not indicated anywhere in the notification bar GUI.
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id10terrordfw is right. For the poster above, I am working on a custom rom and trying to figure out how to display the correct icons. So does it belong to dev section or not?

id10terrordfw said:
Exactly the opposite, in fact. HSUPA is not indicated anywhere in the notification bar GUI.
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This is +1. H is just the 3g icon on the i9000. It has nothing to do with HSUPA. Even when HSDPA is enabled, the H is still there on the i9000 roms (try the i9000 rom with a captivate kernel and see what happens).
I like the H better, but I have no clue where to find it. Someone like DG, or someone who's torn the entire rom apart to find stuff, would know where it is.

madjsp said:
This is +1. H is just the 3g icon on the i9000. It has nothing to do with HSUPA. Even when HSDPA is enabled, the H is still there on the i9000 roms (try the i9000 rom with a captivate kernel and see what happens).
I like the H better, but I have no clue where to find it. Someone like DG, or someone who's torn the entire rom apart to find stuff, would know where it is.
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Oddly enough the connection icons are the same on both roms. It must be controlled by something else that displays those icons.

On the i9000 the H icon only comes up when there is (a lot of?) data being sent otherwise the logo always shows up as 3G
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BTTNext said:
On the i9000 the H icon only comes up when there is (a lot of?) data being sent otherwise the logo always shows up as 3G
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This is not entirely true. HSUPA is 3.5g, 3g is 3g, and my phone switches between 2g, H, and 3g depending on my location and which the tower is supporting. My area supports all three and each shows up in my notification bar depending on which is being used. This is because I am running both an I9000 ROM and kernel with the JPM modem. I have all bandwidths enabled. It shows "H" even when no data is being transmitted.
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ok, I'm going to try and clarify this, but the poster directly above me had it mostly right.
The i9000 ROM's are capable of showing G (GPRS), E (EDGE), 3G (3G), H (HSPA)... the reason our device will only show the first three and not H is because AT&T (and most US GSM carriers) have decided to lump 3G and HSPA in the same category. So when 3G is shown, you are likely already connected to an HSPA network, AT&T just considers them "close enough" to not need a different icon. This behavior can be modified, and I think DesignGears said it is a simple boolean fix in one of the XML files to allow both HSPA and 3G to be shown (I have not personally looked into this, but I see no reason why this wouldn't be so).
The European firmwares make the distinction because there are some places that are exclusively 3G and some places that are exclusively HSPA, and they can't be 100% certain where the phones are going to be sold, so they differentiate between the two. It has nothing to do with the fact that the icons are there, those are just pictures (they have no code).
Also, yes, this doesn't belong in development, General would likely be a better place.

When I had the froyo i9000 rom 2.2, Mine switched between H, 3g, and E, There were very noticable differences in speed when I was on H, 3g or E for that matter. when the H was on speed test would go up to 7mb and 3g like 1.7. hsupa and hsdpa is the same thing, u stands for upload and d stands for download. when you are on that and H is displayed u can get up to 7.2 mb at cap speed, but prob more like 3 mb to 6 mb on average. Those that are saying other wise maybe your wireless network hasnt been totally upgraded yet, I dont know but there are differences. The reason stock doesnt get it is because its not rolled out yet. The first thing to get true 3.5g or hsdpa is the air cards for computers, this came directly from a att general manager, then when systems are upgraded enough they will roll out ota's to the phones to beable to jump on 3.5 g U dont have to wait for it though u can do as some have said and use the modem for it.

HSDPA -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
HSUPA -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Uplink_Packet_Access
HSPA (when you have both HSDPA and HSUPA) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access
HSPA+ (like T-Mobile is rolling out) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA
W-CDMA/UMTS (what all of these are a part of) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W-CDMA_(UMTS)
No need to argue further.

My fault on my first post.
However... if certain I9000 roms choose to display H even when connected to 3G... couldn't we just swap out .png files in framework-res??
Look inside with zip... and pull out the drawables folder. Inside are all the notification bar icons for data. Replace the H files with the files for 3G... and shouldn't that fix it?

jslee1020 said:
My fault on my first post.
However... if certain I9000 roms choose to display H even when connected to 3G... couldn't we just swap out .png files in framework-res??
Look inside with zip... and pull out the drawables folder. Inside are all the notification bar icons for data. Replace the H files with the files for 3G... and shouldn't that fix it?
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no i9000 ROM displays H when connected to 3G. 3G and H are two different things.

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3g? 3.5g? Hsdpa??

Hi everyone,
my data plan covers 3G and also HSDPA......im currently using the JF1.51 and when i use the go online with the device, it only shows the 3G logo....... does cupcake only cover up to 3G instead of HSDPA?
if anyone knows, please tell me, thanks alot....
p.s. i tried the Hero rom last month and after setting the APN, it showed "H" instead of "3G".....does it mean that the Hero rom has "unlocked" the HSDPA function?
thanks alot
zgmf-x322a said:
Hi everyone,
my data plan covers 3G and also HSDPA......im currently using the JF1.51 and when i use the go online with the device, it only shows the 3G logo....... does cupcake only cover up to 3G instead of HSDPA?
if anyone knows, please tell me, thanks alot....
p.s. i tried the Hero rom last month and after setting the APN, it showed "H" instead of "3G".....does it mean that the Hero rom has "unlocked" the HSDPA function?
thanks alot
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The H in Hero is just a custom icon by HTC. All Dreams are capable of HSxPA regardless of whether that icon shows up or not. As for the carrier side, you are most likely on HSDPA. If you are on any T-Mobile network or most Asian networks (Taiwan, Japan, China) they are HSDPA. An easy way to verify is to start a speed test. Any speed higher than 384Kb/s downstream (384Kb/s ~= 48KByte/sec) means you are on HSDPA.
If all that was too complex, just assume you are on HSDPA.
Iconz
I had thesame issue with the Touch Pro on sprint, it only shows the EVDO icon when connecting, however, sprint is even advertising their new 4G network but I have not seen my phone ever go to 3G or above. I thought something was wrong with my phone...
I went to sprint to get it exchanged because I bought the phone for the faster service. I was given a big spill over the offered network on sprint.
Your answer: Basically, some icons are not unlocked in some roms or are not even included depending on your service provider. This being said, you will most likely have to have the custom rom to get this to show up on your phone.
But even if your phone does not show that icon, test it and see if it uses the technology.
- What I did is took my TP to my friend who has the new Iphone 3G and we started the YOUTUBE app and loaded the exact same video. Even though his showed the 3G icon all the time and mine only showed EVDO, my phone brought the video up almost 5 seconds before the Iphone ever did, not to mention the quality of video is so much better.
Ok, I see that I am rambling, I hope that this helps though, however, if I have been informed incorrectly, please someone correct me because I would like the other icons too, just for my aesthetic needs.
jashsu said:
The H in Hero is just a custom icon by HTC. All Dreams are capable of HSxPA regardless of whether that icon shows up or not. As for the carrier side, you are most likely on HSDPA. If you are on any T-Mobile network or most Asian networks (Taiwan, Japan, China) they are HSDPA. An easy way to verify is to start a speed test. Any speed higher than 384Kb/s downstream (384Kb/s ~= 48KByte/sec) means you are on HSDPA.
If all that was too complex, just assume you are on HSDPA.
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hey there, thanks for the reply mate, at the moment i am in hong kong using the gprs network to go online :S
im not really sure about the last sentence that u wrote haha.....but i am really hoping that i am using the hsdpa.....but the 3G icon in jf1.51......really makes me feel uncomfortable when i see it......i hope u r right mate. once again, thanks
mapaz04 said:
I had thesame issue with the Touch Pro on sprint, it only shows the EVDO icon when connecting, however, sprint is even advertising their new 4G network but I have not seen my phone ever go to 3G or above. I thought something was wrong with my phone...
I went to sprint to get it exchanged because I bought the phone for the faster service. I was given a big spill over the offered network on sprint.
Your answer: Basically, some icons are not unlocked in some roms or are not even included depending on your service provider. This being said, you will most likely have to have the custom rom to get this to show up on your phone.
But even if your phone does not show that icon, test it and see if it uses the technology.
- What I did is took my TP to my friend who has the new Iphone 3G and we started the YOUTUBE app and loaded the exact same video. Even though his showed the 3G icon all the time and mine only showed EVDO, my phone brought the video up almost 5 seconds before the Iphone ever did, not to mention the quality of video is so much better.
Ok, I see that I am rambling, I hope that this helps though, however, if I have been informed incorrectly, please someone correct me because I would like the other icons too, just for my aesthetic needs.
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thanks for the reply man, u gave me some ideas to what i need to do....
iv just tested out the jac hero (mod version from Nismo)....my gprs connection varies from the "H" icon and the "3G" icon......somehow i assume that it is running in between both speeds?
haha,
once again, gotta thanks to the bro who replied real quick....u r good guys unlike some members in the xda who arent willing to help with simple questions
i got an ev icon
this is kind of in relation to this thread...i was running one of drizzys hero builds and i was in new york one night...this only happens when im in the village..dont know why but anywho...i got an ev icon..im assuming that was for evdo cause i heard the new hero dumps have cdma support..dont know if im very wrong but the icon switched from 3g to ev and when i got on the browser i was impressed...my connection was flaming fast i mean ridiculous ive never seen nething like it...can anyone elaborate
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this is kind of in relation to this thread...i was running one of drizzys hero builds and i was in new york one night...this only happens when im in the village..dont know why but anywho...i got an ev icon..im assuming that was for evdo cause i heard the new hero dumps have cdma support..dont know if im very wrong but the icon switched from 3g to ev and when i got on the browser i was impressed...my connection was flaming fast i mean ridiculous ive never seen nething like it...can anyone elaborate
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Your rom can't give you cdma support, that is hardware related. And the G1 is only on GSM networks not any CDMA's so you might have seen some other type of icon because it is not possible to get EVDO on any G1.
these were my thought exactly...but i promise and swear to you it said EV not evdo but EV and my connection was faster than ive ever seen before..im going to get that screenshot capture nd next time wen i go to the spot where it happened i will show you...dont know how its possible or what it was..but it was super fast
bonkasnucca said:
these were my thought exactly...but i promise and swear to you it said EV not evdo but EV and my connection was faster than ive ever seen before..im going to get that screenshot capture nd next time wen i go to the spot where it happened i will show you...dont know how its possible or what it was..but it was super fast
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I aint saying I don't believe you, I just know it is impossible to get CDMA on a G1 no matter what rom or dump. What I would assume is it was HSxPA and the rom you used had a dump from the sprint hero. That could explain why you had a EV icon and is most likely what happened. Like the other guy said his touch pro had a EV icon although it was getting 3G, so since you do have a 3G icon and it switched to EV it is probably because the area you were in had HSxPA.
yea that makes sense but wow was it fast..thanx for the input
HSUPA gets like 7.2mbps so it is like cable almost, I'm not sure about HSDPA but its is pretty quick too.
how would i get this speed on my g1? im on tmobile with the android plan..
roadrunnerx7 said:
how would i get this speed on my g1? im on tmobile with the android plan..
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Go somewhere that has t-mobile 3g coverage. That is the only way to get the speed you inquired about. If it's not in your area yet, be patient. They are doing alot of expansions to their network. If you live in a rather remote area (ex: somewhere that doesn't have EDGE coverage) don't hold your breath. It's gonna be a while.
crpercodani: HSUPA gets like 7.2mbps so it is like cable almost, I'm not sure about HSDPA but its is pretty quick too.
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HSDPA and HSUPA are both 3G telephony protocols in the HSPA family. They are two parts of the same thing. HSDPA (Downlink) provides up to 14 Mbit/s. HSUPA (Uplink) provides up to 5.8 Mbit/s.
btw HSPA (or 3g as US carriers call it) is CDMA. Though different from CDMA2000(EV-DO) which is what you were refering to, UMTS is still CDMA based.
And to those confused about the Icons. 3g and HSPA are two names for the same thing. The icon you see simply depends on what the common name for the technology is in the locale the rom was originally designed for. Google based roms usually show 3g whereas HTC based roms sometimes hav H instead. The only difference is the icon.
as for those with EV icons. They are probably from the samsung galaxy system dump. Not to say it's not out there, but I haven't heard anything about a sprint version of the hero rom surfacing yet.
Ohh I guess I didn't have it right. But I know I have seen something about HSxPA gettin 7.2. Damn 14mbits is insane for a cell, I wish I got that in my area. My DSL is only like 7mbits dl and 1.something upload.
Should get it eventually. I only get 7.2 as well, but t-mobile has the whole 1700 band leased, so we might get lucky over the next few years.

Speedtest Question

Hey guys,
I heard that FroYo differentiates the 3G and H icons on the notification bar.. but I have not seen mine change to H. How do I know if I have HSPA/HSDPA? I live in Orlando, Florida, so I would imagine we get good coverage here?
And also I see people put these crazy 3G speeds on their sigs of the speedtest.net application with like over 1MB DL speeds and such.. but the highest DL speed the application has recorded on my phone is around 600KB on 3G..
Any help?
H typically gains speeds of around 2-3Mbit i.e. around 2-300kb/s. So it sounds like you're still on normal 3G and an average connection at that. I only get H in a select few locations, most of the time I get the same speed as yourself.
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H typically gains speeds of around 2-3Mbit i.e. around 2-300kb/s. So it sounds like you're still on normal 3G and an average connection at that. I only get H in a select few locations, most of the time I get the same speed as yourself.
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Oh I see. Eh I just tested it twice on FroYo and got DL speeds of 17 and 43 kb/s wtf ?
I haven't seen the H icon yet on Froyo. Was using Kang-o-rama 0.7b1 before I installed Froyo courtesy of Paul @modaco. The H icon would display alot on the Kang-o-rama rom. At my desk my nexus would display H icon with Kang now it shows 3G with Froyo. I unfortunately didn't run any speedtests on it before I installed Froyo.
The speed I am getting now in an area that displayed H previously are: download .8Mbps and upload 1.2Mbps.
Would these be average 3G or H speeds?
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I haven't seen the H icon yet on Froyo. Was using Kang-o-rama 0.7b1 before I installed Froyo courtesy of Paul @modaco. The H icon would display alot on the Kang-o-rama rom. At my desk my nexus would display H icon with Kang now it shows 3G with Froyo. I unfortunately didn't run any speedtests on it before I installed Froyo.
The speed I am getting now in an area that displayed H previously are: download .8Mbps and upload 1.2Mbps.
Would these be average 3G or H speeds?
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I may be wrong but I thought on CM which is what Kang-o-rama is based off of, the 3G symbol is replaced with the H symbol and that is why you saw it where you would normally have 3G. Can someone else confirm this?
I don't know why people can't understand this, seriously. 3G=H. H is short for HSDPA Which is... 3G. What Cyanogen did was a visual mod nothing more. Which I hate now because we end up with post like this. There's no difference and if there is it may be the new radio.
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djpingpong said:
I may be wrong but I thought on CM which is what Kang-o-rama is based off of, the 3G symbol is replaced with the H symbol and that is why you saw it where you would normally have 3G. Can someone else confirm this?
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Thanks dj
amd_203 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this, seriously. 3G=H. H is short for HSDPA Which is... 3G. What Cyanogen did was a visual mod nothing more. Which I hate now because we end up with post like this. There's no difference and if there is it may be the new radio.
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H is enhanced 3G and H is faster than 3G and so 3G not equal to H. If H was displayed I expect to be able to get faster download speeds than if 3G was displayed and so I would prefer if H would be displayed when HSDPA available and 3G displayed when 3G available. I'm not sure if this can be the case.
3G = UMTS connectivity available (probably WCDMA).
H = HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA+ link up.
H comes up only on custom builds (but some european builds reported to show H - not sure about the credibility of such reports), and H comes up only when data transfer is initiated.
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H comes only when data transfer is initiated.
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Thanks Jack, I had noticed that behaviour on some builds alright but not yet on Froyo.
Whilst there is a difference between H and 3G the H icon will not show up on "official" builds.
It was just a graphical change made in some custom ROMs.
When your signal changes from 3G to H there will be no indication, but it will still happen.
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Whilst there is a difference between H and 3G the H icon will not show up on "official" builds.
It was just a graphical change made in some custom ROMs.
When your signal changes from 3G to H there will be no indication, but it will still happen.
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Thanks meltus

CM6 3g improvement?

Does CM make your reception better some how? I'm now getting H where I got 3g. I'm currently in Greece and I don't even think they have H here.
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Cyanogenmod wiki:
Why do I see an 'H' for the network instead of '3G'?
"H" - HSDPA-mode
"3G" - UMTS-mode (slower)
The stock firmware shows "3G" when the phone is in either HSPDA or UMTS mode. The "H" differentiates it now.
so you understand why CM6 is showing you "H" instead of "3G"?
mkrmec said:
so you understand why CM6 is showing you "H" instead of "3G"?
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Please don't make useless posts just to raise your post count.
CM replaces the 3G icon with the H, there arent any improvements in the rom, you may have installed a new radio to cause a speed increase though
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Please don't make useless posts just to raise your post count.
CM replaces the 3G icon with the H, there arent any improvements in the rom, you may have installed a new radio to cause a speed increase though
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No, I just stumbled upon the answer and thought I'd post the answer in case someone else had that question. Which they have on a different thread.
I did notice better speed with CM6 RC2, Now I just flashed that Korean radio and I'm running RC3.
This much fun with a phone just isn't right.

H for hsupa

Just curious as to why some roms will show the H for hsupa, but others won't, even when enabled and themed correctly.
ex: Assonance does, but Di11igafs and Axura does not.
By default, i9000 ROMs do that.
They must have changed it.
H means HSPA which includes both HSDPA and HSUPA
it is NOT an indication of HSUPA in itself. there is no indicator of this aside from actual speed tests
as mikey said, i9000 roms have it by default...
PuffinNugz said:
Just curious as to why some roms will show the H for hsupa, but others won't, even when enabled and themed correctly.
ex: Assonance does, but Di11igafs and Axura does not.
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Axura is based on a vibrant rom hence it will not show the h to indicate hsupa (assuming so is diligaf). It is functioning as running a quick test of speednet shows uploads are higher than with the stock modem.
As long as its working, does it matter if it shows the h or not? Idk about you but to me it makes no difference as long as my phone is operating to its fullest potential ie not crippled by at&t.
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Right on. I understand it is working even though it doesn't show it and the H stands for both. Didn't know it was just an i9000 thing. That's all.

Paragon H/3G in status bar

I have been using Paragon RC5 for a while and just upgraded to RC6. This is a great rom and I love it! I have one question though, what is the "H" stand for on the status bar? I know the up and down arrows are obviously upload/download but why doesn't it show 3G instead of H?
HSDPA/HSUPA, is a feature of 2.2.1 roms. Sometimes you should see 3G unless they have taken that out of the rom all togethor.
Yeah, I see 3G pop up every now and then. So, even if it says H I am still running on 3G, correct?
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Yeah, I see 3G pop up every now and then. So, even if it says H I am still running on 3G, correct?
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Correct. Most carriers disable the faster H setting on their ROMs. Most ROM chefs enable it in theirs. If you're seeing it, that's a good thing.

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