Hey guys,
I heard that FroYo differentiates the 3G and H icons on the notification bar.. but I have not seen mine change to H. How do I know if I have HSPA/HSDPA? I live in Orlando, Florida, so I would imagine we get good coverage here?
And also I see people put these crazy 3G speeds on their sigs of the speedtest.net application with like over 1MB DL speeds and such.. but the highest DL speed the application has recorded on my phone is around 600KB on 3G..
Any help?
H typically gains speeds of around 2-3Mbit i.e. around 2-300kb/s. So it sounds like you're still on normal 3G and an average connection at that. I only get H in a select few locations, most of the time I get the same speed as yourself.
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H typically gains speeds of around 2-3Mbit i.e. around 2-300kb/s. So it sounds like you're still on normal 3G and an average connection at that. I only get H in a select few locations, most of the time I get the same speed as yourself.
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Oh I see. Eh I just tested it twice on FroYo and got DL speeds of 17 and 43 kb/s wtf ?
I haven't seen the H icon yet on Froyo. Was using Kang-o-rama 0.7b1 before I installed Froyo courtesy of Paul @modaco. The H icon would display alot on the Kang-o-rama rom. At my desk my nexus would display H icon with Kang now it shows 3G with Froyo. I unfortunately didn't run any speedtests on it before I installed Froyo.
The speed I am getting now in an area that displayed H previously are: download .8Mbps and upload 1.2Mbps.
Would these be average 3G or H speeds?
loggie1 said:
I haven't seen the H icon yet on Froyo. Was using Kang-o-rama 0.7b1 before I installed Froyo courtesy of Paul @modaco. The H icon would display alot on the Kang-o-rama rom. At my desk my nexus would display H icon with Kang now it shows 3G with Froyo. I unfortunately didn't run any speedtests on it before I installed Froyo.
The speed I am getting now in an area that displayed H previously are: download .8Mbps and upload 1.2Mbps.
Would these be average 3G or H speeds?
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I may be wrong but I thought on CM which is what Kang-o-rama is based off of, the 3G symbol is replaced with the H symbol and that is why you saw it where you would normally have 3G. Can someone else confirm this?
I don't know why people can't understand this, seriously. 3G=H. H is short for HSDPA Which is... 3G. What Cyanogen did was a visual mod nothing more. Which I hate now because we end up with post like this. There's no difference and if there is it may be the new radio.
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djpingpong said:
I may be wrong but I thought on CM which is what Kang-o-rama is based off of, the 3G symbol is replaced with the H symbol and that is why you saw it where you would normally have 3G. Can someone else confirm this?
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Thanks dj
amd_203 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this, seriously. 3G=H. H is short for HSDPA Which is... 3G. What Cyanogen did was a visual mod nothing more. Which I hate now because we end up with post like this. There's no difference and if there is it may be the new radio.
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H is enhanced 3G and H is faster than 3G and so 3G not equal to H. If H was displayed I expect to be able to get faster download speeds than if 3G was displayed and so I would prefer if H would be displayed when HSDPA available and 3G displayed when 3G available. I'm not sure if this can be the case.
3G = UMTS connectivity available (probably WCDMA).
H = HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA+ link up.
H comes up only on custom builds (but some european builds reported to show H - not sure about the credibility of such reports), and H comes up only when data transfer is initiated.
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H comes only when data transfer is initiated.
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Thanks Jack, I had noticed that behaviour on some builds alright but not yet on Froyo.
Whilst there is a difference between H and 3G the H icon will not show up on "official" builds.
It was just a graphical change made in some custom ROMs.
When your signal changes from 3G to H there will be no indication, but it will still happen.
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Whilst there is a difference between H and 3G the H icon will not show up on "official" builds.
It was just a graphical change made in some custom ROMs.
When your signal changes from 3G to H there will be no indication, but it will still happen.
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Thanks meltus
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I have noticed that when I am connected to the fast cellular internet the sign constantly switches between 3G to H. Like every 15 secondes.
It's not that the connection is dropping it's just it is always changes from 3G to H. I am on At&T and would like to know if it happenes to someone else.
As I read, At&T suppose to have an HSDPA and since I am in big cities like Chicago and Washington DC, if there is HSDPA it should exists in these cities.
So?? anyone using AT&T + KAISER knows what I am talking about?
should be worried?
i see this behavior all the time with my Kaiser, Trinity and Treo and never worry about it... most often the i'll see the "H" symbol when i'm tethering or downloading a file from a website or i'll see the "3G" or "E" if i'm in an area of town that doesn't have a strong signal... i don't worry about this behavior unless it affects what i'm doing, e.g., lose my internet sharing connection. just my 2 cents...
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i see this behavior all the time with my Kaiser, Trinity and Treo and never worry about it... most often the i'll see the "H" symbol when i'm tethering or downloading a file from a website or i'll see the "3G" or "E" if i'm in an area of town that doesn't have a strong signal... i don't worry about this behavior unless it affects what i'm doing, e.g., lose my internet sharing connection. just my 2 cents...
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Thank u for your fast reply. I know sometimes the signal changes to E or even G if there is no high speed connection around but it seems that the H and 3G just changes every 15-20 seconds in areas with high speed connection. does it also happen to you? or anybody else?
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I have noticed that when I am connected to the fast cellular internet the sign constantly switches between 3G to H. Like every 15 secondes.
It's not that the connection is dropping it's just it is always changes from 3G to H. I am on At&T and would like to know if it happenes to someone else.
As I read, At&T suppose to have an HSDPA and since I am in big cities like Chicago and Washington DC, if there is HSDPA it should exists in these cities.
So?? anyone using AT&T + KAISER knows what I am talking about?
should be worried?
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I actually consider you lucky. At work in Menlo Park, Ca. I rarely get a 3G or an H... But I spent a couple of weeks going to SF every day and there I saw behavior very much like you describe. For me it seemed to want to switch from 3G to H as I was doing some sort of access like e-mail read or a download. Though that is probably just anecdotal as I didn't really make a study of it; just something I noted.
Cheers.
i have the 3g/H switch happening constantly as well. could this connection issue have anything to do with the sms issues (issue being sms works randomly), or totally unrelated?
Yep...this happens to me too.
alonmalka1 said:
I have noticed that when I am connected to the fast cellular internet the sign constantly switches between 3G to H. Like every 15 secondes. It's not that the connection is dropping it's just it is always changes from 3G to H. I am on At&T and would like to know if it happenes to someone else...
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I'm in the Chicago-North Suburb area and I see it change all the time too. I get a lot of HSDPA connections. From my understanding, this is a good thing!
Though I'm by no means an expert on HSDPA, 3G, UMTS or any of these, it's my understanding that HSDPA will give you data bursts of up to 5 times the connection speed of 3G/UMTS.
TEC
What it means on my 8525
Hi Guys,
Don't worry, you are not having signal quality or connection issues. On my 8525 (Hermes) the switch to H from 3G simply means the phone is using the data connection at the H (HSDPA) speeds. It shows 3G when data is not being transferred.
Yup. It's sort of like a combination power/hard drive light on a computer. When the "H" lights up, data is being read and written over the high speed network. The "3G" means the high speed network is available, your just not sending or recieving at the moment. At the slower EDGE speeds, the "E" is just a power light, showing the network is available, but no indication when you are sending a receiving data over it.
Someone correct me if I'm totally wrong, but here are my thoughts:
The H would be displayed when the device is accessing HSDPA or HSUPA. The D stands for download and the U stands for upload, right? But AT&T only has HSDPA right now, and not HSUPA. So when you're in an HSDPA area and browsing the web or sending and receiving emails, when the device is receiving information (downloading), it's on HSDPA and the "H" is displayed. But then when it needs to send information (uploading), since there is no HSUPA signal it switches to 3G and the "3G" is displayed. Hence the constant switching on the display as the device sends and receives data.
Someone please give me a gold star, or tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about!
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The H would be displayed when the device is accessing HSDPA or HSUPA. The D stands for download and the U stands for upload, right? But AT&T only has HSDPA right now, and not HSUPA. So when you're in an HSDPA area and browsing the web or sending and receiving emails, when the device is receiving information (downloading), it's on HSDPA and the "H" is displayed. But then when it needs to send information (uploading), since there is no HSUPA signal it switches to 3G and the "3G" is displayed. Hence the constant switching on the display as the device sends and receives data. Someone please give me a gold star, or tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about!
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Not that I'm an expert either but THIS WOULD EXPLAIN IT!
Thanks
TEC
If you see the H then you are using HSDPA, if you see the 3G icon then you are using UMTS. The difference is speed and the fact that if you see the H icon it means you can use voice and data at the same time.
I can stream live TV from my Media Center using WebGuide (free) and as long as I have the H icon I can talk on the phone at the same time I'm watching TV but if it switches to 3G I loose my data connection until I hang up the phone.
Mine mostly stays on H but swithces to 3G when the HSDPA signal is lost. HSDPA isn't avalible every where that 3G UTMS is.
Also HSDPA is 3.5G and UMTS is 3G. Meaning with UMTS you can get downloads of 384 kbps to 768 kbps and with HSDPA you can get from 768 kbps to 1mbps.
This is how it is supposed to work kids...
The H only shows up when you are using HSDPA. HSDPA would kill your battery in no time if it stayed connected all the time. your phone is smart enough to only use HSDPA when it is actually sending/receiving data. Think of it as a power saving feature.
I'm in cleveland and i just see an "H" all the time... FWIW...
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But it only uses HSDPA when it's RECEIVING data, not SENDING. That's what HSUPA would be for (if AT&T had it yet). Right?
High Speed DOWNLINK Packet Access
High Speed UPLINK Packet Acess
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But it only uses HSDPA when it's RECEIVING data, not SENDING. That's what HSUPA would be for (if AT&T had it yet). Right?
High Speed DOWNLINK Packet Access
High Speed UPLINK Packet Acess
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That is correct. HSUPA should be coming soon according to Engadget: HSUPA
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Someone correct me if I'm totally wrong, but here are my thoughts:
The H would be displayed when the device is accessing HSDPA or HSUPA. The D stands for download and the U stands for upload, right? But AT&T only has HSDPA right now, and not HSUPA. So when you're in an HSDPA area and browsing the web or sending and receiving emails, when the device is receiving information (downloading), it's on HSDPA and the "H" is displayed. But then when it needs to send information (uploading), since there is no HSUPA signal it switches to 3G and the "3G" is displayed. Hence the constant switching on the display as the device sends and receives data.
Someone please give me a gold star, or tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about!
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Perfect.!! Downlink = Downloading (HSDPA).. Upload data by 3G as AT&T is not supporting Uplink = Uploading (HSUPA)... smart one..
I'm not sure it is that simple...
I live in Jacksonville an i neverget an "H" except when i used shap's rom on my 8525; however, i get speeds from 600 to 980, so is this extremely fast UMTS, or is Cingular just inconsistant with their labels?
exzist78 said:
I live in Jacksonville an i neverget an "H" except when i used shap's rom on my 8525; however, i get speeds from 600 to 980, so is this extremely fast UMTS, or is Cingular just inconsistant with their labels?
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I also live in Jacksonville and found with the Tilt that I was only seeing the
3G icon and never the H icon until I installed KaiserTweak and set the HSPA option to enabled. Now I get the H icon but only during the data connection being active (e.g., sending a URL request and receiving the page load). The icon then turns to 3G when the Tilt sits "inactive."
Also just because you don't see the H for HSDPA doesn't mean its not working unless the REGISTY has the correct setting you will not get the H icon. the place is HKLM>Drivers>RIL>EnableHSDPAIcon = 1 (sometimes default is 0 which means you won't see the H icon)
Since my last posts on this topic, I now have my Tilt!
I am confused- why would AT&T not enable the "H" icon? If you are using HSDPA (and soon HSUPA), wouldn't they want you to know it?
Maybe they are afraid it will confuse people. They just want to market "3G" and people to understand it and see that icon, whether they are on UMTS or HSDPA/HSUPA?
Does CM make your reception better some how? I'm now getting H where I got 3g. I'm currently in Greece and I don't even think they have H here.
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Cyanogenmod wiki:
Why do I see an 'H' for the network instead of '3G'?
"H" - HSDPA-mode
"3G" - UMTS-mode (slower)
The stock firmware shows "3G" when the phone is in either HSPDA or UMTS mode. The "H" differentiates it now.
so you understand why CM6 is showing you "H" instead of "3G"?
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so you understand why CM6 is showing you "H" instead of "3G"?
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Please don't make useless posts just to raise your post count.
CM replaces the 3G icon with the H, there arent any improvements in the rom, you may have installed a new radio to cause a speed increase though
Flippy125 said:
Please don't make useless posts just to raise your post count.
CM replaces the 3G icon with the H, there arent any improvements in the rom, you may have installed a new radio to cause a speed increase though
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No, I just stumbled upon the answer and thought I'd post the answer in case someone else had that question. Which they have on a different thread.
I did notice better speed with CM6 RC2, Now I just flashed that Korean radio and I'm running RC3.
This much fun with a phone just isn't right.
Any one know how the i9000 roms show "H" for HSPDA but the captivate shows "3g"? I looked in the framework-res.apk but the connection images look the same. Will much appreciate an answer.
It is the modem that gives hsupa "H" support, not the ROM. Unless the ROM is packaged with the reoriented kernel and modem for the I9000 it does not support hsupa. Captivate does not support hsupa by default unless you are using a different modem than the stock modem. I could be wrong but after months of mods to my phone and experimenting with different ROM and kernel packages this is my understanding. Also be careful when flashing kernels and be sure to use only those made to use with Captivate or you will have auto rotation and button problems.
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Any one know how the i9000 roms show "H" for HSPDA but the captivate shows "3g"? I looked in the framework-res.apk but the connection images look the same. Will much appreciate an answer.
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what he said ^
H on the I9000 stands for HSUPA... not HSPDA...
EDIT: Also.. this sort of question.. belongs in the general questions forum
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what he said ^
H on the I9000 stands for HSUPA... not HSPDA...
EDIT: Also.. this sort of question.. belongs in the general questions forum
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Exactly the opposite, in fact. HSUPA is not indicated anywhere in the notification bar GUI.
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id10terrordfw said:
Exactly the opposite, in fact. HSUPA is not indicated anywhere in the notification bar GUI.
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id10terrordfw is right. For the poster above, I am working on a custom rom and trying to figure out how to display the correct icons. So does it belong to dev section or not?
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Exactly the opposite, in fact. HSUPA is not indicated anywhere in the notification bar GUI.
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This is +1. H is just the 3g icon on the i9000. It has nothing to do with HSUPA. Even when HSDPA is enabled, the H is still there on the i9000 roms (try the i9000 rom with a captivate kernel and see what happens).
I like the H better, but I have no clue where to find it. Someone like DG, or someone who's torn the entire rom apart to find stuff, would know where it is.
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This is +1. H is just the 3g icon on the i9000. It has nothing to do with HSUPA. Even when HSDPA is enabled, the H is still there on the i9000 roms (try the i9000 rom with a captivate kernel and see what happens).
I like the H better, but I have no clue where to find it. Someone like DG, or someone who's torn the entire rom apart to find stuff, would know where it is.
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Oddly enough the connection icons are the same on both roms. It must be controlled by something else that displays those icons.
On the i9000 the H icon only comes up when there is (a lot of?) data being sent otherwise the logo always shows up as 3G
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On the i9000 the H icon only comes up when there is (a lot of?) data being sent otherwise the logo always shows up as 3G
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This is not entirely true. HSUPA is 3.5g, 3g is 3g, and my phone switches between 2g, H, and 3g depending on my location and which the tower is supporting. My area supports all three and each shows up in my notification bar depending on which is being used. This is because I am running both an I9000 ROM and kernel with the JPM modem. I have all bandwidths enabled. It shows "H" even when no data is being transmitted.
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ok, I'm going to try and clarify this, but the poster directly above me had it mostly right.
The i9000 ROM's are capable of showing G (GPRS), E (EDGE), 3G (3G), H (HSPA)... the reason our device will only show the first three and not H is because AT&T (and most US GSM carriers) have decided to lump 3G and HSPA in the same category. So when 3G is shown, you are likely already connected to an HSPA network, AT&T just considers them "close enough" to not need a different icon. This behavior can be modified, and I think DesignGears said it is a simple boolean fix in one of the XML files to allow both HSPA and 3G to be shown (I have not personally looked into this, but I see no reason why this wouldn't be so).
The European firmwares make the distinction because there are some places that are exclusively 3G and some places that are exclusively HSPA, and they can't be 100% certain where the phones are going to be sold, so they differentiate between the two. It has nothing to do with the fact that the icons are there, those are just pictures (they have no code).
Also, yes, this doesn't belong in development, General would likely be a better place.
When I had the froyo i9000 rom 2.2, Mine switched between H, 3g, and E, There were very noticable differences in speed when I was on H, 3g or E for that matter. when the H was on speed test would go up to 7mb and 3g like 1.7. hsupa and hsdpa is the same thing, u stands for upload and d stands for download. when you are on that and H is displayed u can get up to 7.2 mb at cap speed, but prob more like 3 mb to 6 mb on average. Those that are saying other wise maybe your wireless network hasnt been totally upgraded yet, I dont know but there are differences. The reason stock doesnt get it is because its not rolled out yet. The first thing to get true 3.5g or hsdpa is the air cards for computers, this came directly from a att general manager, then when systems are upgraded enough they will roll out ota's to the phones to beable to jump on 3.5 g U dont have to wait for it though u can do as some have said and use the modem for it.
HSDPA -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access
HSUPA -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Uplink_Packet_Access
HSPA (when you have both HSDPA and HSUPA) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_Packet_Access
HSPA+ (like T-Mobile is rolling out) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA
W-CDMA/UMTS (what all of these are a part of) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W-CDMA_(UMTS)
No need to argue further.
My fault on my first post.
However... if certain I9000 roms choose to display H even when connected to 3G... couldn't we just swap out .png files in framework-res??
Look inside with zip... and pull out the drawables folder. Inside are all the notification bar icons for data. Replace the H files with the files for 3G... and shouldn't that fix it?
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My fault on my first post.
However... if certain I9000 roms choose to display H even when connected to 3G... couldn't we just swap out .png files in framework-res??
Look inside with zip... and pull out the drawables folder. Inside are all the notification bar icons for data. Replace the H files with the files for 3G... and shouldn't that fix it?
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no i9000 ROM displays H when connected to 3G. 3G and H are two different things.
My carrier had some little problems during the past weeks, aparently they were working on something. I sometimes, for short periods, did not have data connection or no servic at all. Now the problems are gone and a speedtest today showed that at my home, the download speed went from an average 1 Mbit to over 5 Mbit!
However, the H symbol won't go away anymore! It used to switch to 3g when not data was transferred. I assume that this will influence battery life.
Is there anything I should be worried?
From what I recall, H is faster than 3g, as long as your in a good signal area, the H will always be visable, it will only drop down to 3g if the area your in has no H signal... and if there is no 3g it will drop to a 2g signal... simples, having the H does not meen that data is being transfered!
I am aware of the different speed levels, what I experience now is that the H symbol stays all the time, whereas it used to change to 3g when idling even in areas with very good reception...
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I am aware of the different speed levels, what I experience now is that the H symbol stays all the time, whereas it used to change to 3g when idling even in areas with very good reception...
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Wait, I don't get what you're saying. Let me clear it up:
Very good reception = H
Not so good reception = 3G
You want to see H (means HSDPA which is a a type of 3G data, but it's faster).
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Okay, I'll try that too!
I live in an area with very good reception and therefore the phone used to switch from 3g to H whenever data was transfered and back . Now, however, it stays on H all the time and does not switch back to 3g when no traffic occurs.
It is just a change in the pattern my phone behaves so I wanted to get some info on that...
Hi, it's your phone doing what it should by seeking the best signal.
H refers to HSDPA which is based on UMTS (3G). Consider it a 'turbo' version of 3G. It's sometimes also referred to as 3G+ because it's faster then 3G but not really 4G technology. The tower in your area most likely got upgraded to HSDPA that's why you don't see the 3G icon anymore.
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Not correct, he mentioned that his phone was using H on demand before, so the capability was there already.
The problem is that H mode uses more battery than 3G, which is why it normally only switches to H during data transfers instead of continously being on.
Possibly your provider made a change which forces your phone to stay in H mode. On hardcores homepage (see speedmod kernel thread) he describes a method to manually deactivate H mode if you want to play with it.
Hope that helps.
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seems to be the explanation... Suddenly I have ~6 Mbit, so almost unsurprisingly there had to be a catch
as for disabling H, it would be permanently so not quite an option. I guess, I'll have to live with it but nevertheless I'll call customer support..
Hspa and 3g are actually different technologies, but can be used on the same site and freq. If you have noticed that your phone is nowdays all the time showing H ( hspa ) and not in 3g like before it means that your carrier has expanded their hspa features and capacity of the network on that area. Main difference between these two tech is of course the speed and how network resources are shared between the users. In 3g you have dedicated ones, but speed limited and in hspa you are sharing the resources between other ones under that cell area. hspa is good if you are near by the cell and there is not too many users from battery consumption point of aswell from througput point of view, 3g is better if you are on the cell edge due to dedicated resources reserved only for you. Main point is, battery consumption of your phone depends mainly how you use your phone ,what kind of applications you have and how often those are connecting/contacted by the network.
Browsing in 3g sucks!
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For anyone that has firefly rom, ive noticed on the rop where the data is, its got "H" With 2 arrows. What does that mean? I'm not seeing the 3G logo any more...but when I DO it flashes for half a second. Any info? Thanks.
I believe the H stands for HSUPA High Speed Uplink Packet Access. Basically it has faster download/upload speeds than 3G. I believe this is correct but if I am wrong feel free to correct me.
That's right. H is faster than 3g but uses a little more battery perhaps. H
It will go to 3g when it can't connect to H, and to edge when it can't get to 3g.