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Kaiser or P3600i

Hello. I've been following the Kaiser thread ever since I heard about it, and with the same anxiety of the owners of that phone i've been waiting for the miraculous drivers to appear. I'm looking forward to upgrade from a HP hx2750, to a new pda with phone. After a few research I concluded that the pdas the fit my need are the HTC p3600 (trinity), p3600i (500Mhz processor version) , the Tytn 2 Kaiser or the coming Eten X800 and the I-mate 8502 which in my option is the best off all those but I doubt it will be available sooner than April 2008.
From all those the p3600i and tytn 2 seemed more appealing. So I have to pick between the p3600i (since i'd rather have more ROM and processor speed though paying a bit more) or the kaiser, tytn 2.
I like to play videos, take pictures and once in awhile play a few games, but also have a decent scrolling and browsing speed since I'm used to the hx2750 wm6, BUT, i'm not sure if the drivers will ever be made or work properly... in other words I wouldn't like to have a crippled phone as expensive as that kaiser(not getting contract!). The p3600i looks great is not so buggy but doesn't have keyboard and this is something I always missed in the hx2750. Neither I know if the keyboard in the end is really that useful cause it looks very hard to type in...
I heard better things from htc in past times but now they don't seem to care for consumers opinion, so that's another question. I dunno if it's better to get the kaiser and wait for drivers or get something more solid. I heard new windows 6.1 will come out soon, so might be a help or push to fix problem. I prefer more the kaiser but the p3600i is impressive too...
So i'm here asking for whoever wants to share its opinion... What's the best buy p3600i or tytn2 (kaiser, tilt)?
Is htc giving up the kaiser for real?(no more drivers, no more production of that model? And does the p3600i as any issue too?
P.S:I really refer to the p3600i not the updated p3600(trinity)
Thanks in advance...

there's great difference:
p3600i is 1 year older.
But if You are happy with USB1.1, 64MB RAM, no qwerty-keyboard (npt really nessecary), miniSD (not microSD), 1,9 MP camera. Then You will get 1500mAh Li-ion battery instead of 1350 and InfraRed port and a 500Mhz processor instead of a 400Mhz.
Compare:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=820&id2=733

I don't really see the difference between the microsd and minisd (size?), the difference between the 128MB and 64MB ram dunno if it's highly noticeable but seems that the p3600i might compensate it with proper video playback and proper rendering... 500Hz or 400Hz processor ... still doesn't tell me too much cause in the end the difference in RAM can minimize it (i think, I didn't or cannot benchmark both devices)? Neither regarding the 2MP or the 3MP camera.
The longer battery life, and less buggy performance are the good side of the p3600i ... but still seems a hard decision to make and the keyboard looks handy to write mails or editing text... Would be cool if someone who had both devices gave an opinion about it

At first i have p3600i then i buy the tytnII but when i use the tytn II with the room (schap's,orginal,dutty's) i change the tytnII with P3600i
1- the camera in tytnii is not realy work fine means the picture is no cleare
2- i see the tuch screen don't have good recognize and sensity
3- i find the best speed in the p3600i
4- battery life in p3600i is very gooood
for the memory i use the micro HC4GB with the convertor to mini and it is work gooood
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sorry for my bad english

Got a TYTN 2
hewa said:
At first i have p3600i then i buy the tytnII but when i use the tytn II with the room (schap's,orginal,dutty's) i change the tytnII with P3600i
1- the camera in tytnii is not realy work fine means the picture is no cleare
2- i see the tuch screen don't have good recognize and sensity
3- i find the best speed in the p3600i
4- battery life in p3600i is very gooood
for the memory i use the micro HC4GB with the convertor to mini and it is work gooood
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sorry for my bad english
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Well in the end I got the tytn mainly cause of the keyboard! I sure miss the 624MHz processor of the HP 2750 and the 3'5 inch screen smoothness but now I got stick with this one. I found weird that such a high end product performs so bad but the only thing I would ask for would be a smoth scroll in general...

Do flash your TyTn II with a new rom.
Believe me, it really gets better.
I've got the dutty rom, and i've got no compaints about scroll speeds .
I'm very happy with my device now!

Problem with custom ROMS
coolhead said:
Do flash your TyTn II with a new rom.
Believe me, it really gets better.
I've got the dutty rom, and i've got no compaints about scroll speeds .
I'm very happy with my device now!
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Well I would... but the thing I don't like about those cooked roms is that they bring extra stuff I would discard. There's no need for extra software since that I have. I would like to find a rom that improves performance and updates HTC software without adding other stuff... For example the 4PDA rom I have on the hx2750 just has windows mobile without extras which is ver good since I can decide what to install and save space like this... after in a pda every mega counts!

bandit2xx said:
Well I would... but the thing I don't like about those cooked roms is that they bring extra stuff I would discard. There's no need for extra software since that I have. I would like to find a rom that improves performance and updates HTC software without adding other stuff... For example the 4PDA rom I have on the hx2750 just has windows mobile without extras which is ver good since I can decide what to install and save space like this... after in a pda every mega counts!
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u may check the new tnt rom, I think there is a lite version with just a few apps.

Should I shouldn't I

Question to all you with this stunner of a phone already.
Is it as slow as everyone say's it is.?
Does importing any of the roms available make any difference to the speed?
Should I hold out for the pro? (T-Mobile Vario IV) Though I hate the T-mobile branding and white screen. I presume I will be able to replace the rom.
Your expertease guidance is needed in me making a quick decision.
Thanks guys/gals

Between Diamond and Diamond Pro,it's all a matter of size, keyboard and battery.
Anyway, this is a great device, the best I've had if I may say so. I had also many other HTC before this one, and this Diamond is a master piece
No,it's not slow. It's not hyper-fast as well. But it's far from saying it's not usable because it's slow.
As a matter of fact, even with original ROM inside, it's the fastest HTC I've tried until now... (I tried almost all HTC since the old Qtek S100).
So, if you want my advice: buy one NOW,and join us with our problems, and our solutions, but always having a great time here
HastaSSSS

He is totally right, I have had quit some htc devices already and by far this is the fastest.
What many people or complaining about is the touch3d today interface that is lagging. but the device its self is quit impressive. To have that technology in such a compact device, is all my dream come true...
I really love the device, and the only problem is the battery for me. But i saw that soon there will be a battery with 1100mha for it, so i am waiting for it...

I assume you've had a WM device before?
If you remove touchflo its actually a very very fast device. With touchflo its quite slugish.

With european ROM 1.37.401.3, I found TouchFlo surprisingly fast
Give it a shot,in case you haven't done so already.
HastaSSSS

s1rl4ncel0t said:
With european ROM 1.37.401.3, I found TouchFlo surprisingly fast
Give it a shot,in case you haven't done so already.
HastaSSSS
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I've tried all the roms and multiple tweaks. I'm no stranger to playing in the registry! What i've found is:
1) Touchflo is not very intuitive. Its show over function, and its too slow to get to where you need to go quickly.
2) Its far too easy to press the wrong thing in touchflo and the screen feels like its not sensative enough to deal with finger navigation.
3) At times touchflo just freezes, or lags - yes in every rom with every tweak. This makes problem 2) even worse and leads to frustration.
BUT..
I've found that the touch screen actually is good enough, and after changing the pressure to 240 (or even 50 to 60) it works great in everything except touchflo. Touchflow has its on finger pressure setting which doesnt seem to make much difference.
When using other navigation programs like pointui or mobile shell there are no lags, and you can actually use the phone properly. In fact mobile shell is so fast it feels comparable to an iphone.
Touchflo is ok, but in my opinion needs alot more tweaking and i may come back to it in a few months, but for now i'm using mobileshell.

s1rl4ncel0t said:
With european ROM 1.37.401.3, I found TouchFlo surprisingly fast
HastaSSSS
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Yup, no noticeable lag. TF3D is VERY useable now, IMHO.

Thanks for the pro's and con's from you real users.
I have been with XDA for the past 3 years had many flavours of win mobile devices and many HTC phones in the past and I know to only ask them in know to get the truth so a big thanks.
Think I will wait and see what T-Mobile UK offers and opt for the pro for the keyboard and extra battery life.
thanks again

someone1234 said:
When using other navigation programs like pointui or mobile shell there are no lags, and you can actually use the phone properly. In fact mobile shell is so fast it feels comparable to an iphone.
Touchflo is ok, but in my opinion needs alot more tweaking and i may come back to it in a few months, but for now i'm using mobileshell.
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Could you show us some screenshots of you device the way it looks now?
I'm curious. It could be an alternative to TouchFlo if it has the same or better functionality.
HastaSSSS

well... the diamond it self is realy fast (as every1 says so)
the TouchFlo3D is not bad , its actualy great (1.01630.30)
battery life on the other hand was an issue - it seems it leveled off now i can safely say mine lasts

s1rl4ncel0t said:
Could you show us some screenshots of you device the way it looks now?
I'm curious. It could be an alternative to TouchFlo if it has the same or better functionality.
HastaSSSS
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http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/mobileshell/?en
Theres some videos there. Check out the videos on Now screen, Menu's, Gestures to get an idea.
I'm using this theme:
http://mobileshell.ppc-theme.com/page 2.html
With GSens every screen also rotates
oh, and its AS FAST as shown in that video, i'd say a bit faster.

btw..a nub question...since i cannot found this rom on the hardSPL supported list post...is this version of rom supported by HardSPL?
Thanks guys =)

h9922293 said:
btw..a nub question...since i cannot found this rom on the hardSPL supported list post...is this version of rom supported by HardSPL?
Thanks guys =)
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It can be instaled using unsigned hardSPL - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400950 or original SPL from HTC(maybe regionally dependent)
If there is no request already, you can ask for signed version here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400411

i spent 48 hours with my diamond now, didn't modd to much now,
because i am waiting for a rom that fits my needs.
Nevertheless i really love my new baby..
(alltough most people complain about the battery-power i have to say after i did some tweaking as written down somewhere here, it is not that bad)
btw. Touchflow feels qouite snappy compared with my old wizard an UL..^^

Diamond speed...any complaints?

Hi all,
I am seriously considering getting one of these after they showed up in a shop here last week. I spent about ten minutes playing with it and was mightily impressed with the TF3D interace and the accelerometer ball game had me grinning like a schoolboy (haptic feedback kicks butt). One thing I noticed is that the main UI seemd to run pretty slow. It took about a second before the screen would slide to a new page when using gestures, is that normal? I suspect that it is probably a problem with the crummy ROM they had (the Chinese ROM's they put on HTC phones here are worthless, the Hermes was unuseable out of the box, which is is what lead me to find the gold-mine of geniuses here on XDA).
Anyway, to make a long post short, does anyone have any issues wtih speed on thier diamond? Anyone using anything other than a stock ROM at the moment? Thanks!

After having played with TF3D a bit (didn't care much for it), I personally use a "Clean" ROM from Panosha or bElite (plain WM61, without TF3D) and it runs very fast and has 70MB free with SBP Mobile Shell.

My diamond doesn't seem any faster than my old artemis. I've disabled touchflo 3D and it's still just as sluggish as any other slower CPU phone.

mital said:
My diamond doesn't seem any faster than my old artemis. I've disabled touchflo 3D and it's still just as sluggish as any other slower CPU phone.
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Have You changed your ROM, or is it the stock ROM?

currently using a cooked rom from the Dutty and Tom Project team diamond V2. With the TF3D in that is very fast, but that is due to the loss of some animation. such as side to side sweeping,
but that is something which i can live with.

mlalahoi said:
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(1) ... the accelerometer ball game had me grinning like a schoolboy (haptic feedback kicks butt).
(2) One thing I noticed is that the main UI seemd to run pretty slow. It took about a second before the screen would slide to a new page when using gestures, is that normal?
(3) I suspect that it is probably a problem with the crummy ROM they had (the Chinese ROM's they put on HTC phones here are worthless, the Hermes was unuseable out of the box, which is is what lead me to find the gold-mine of geniuses here on XDA).
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I am still with Hermes, but couple of weeks ago went with a friend to get for him Diamond (from ZGC )
This gave me the opportunity to play with original (English) Rom and Chinese one too. Diamond experience ~4+ hours
(1) I felt the same :
(2/3) No, it is not a problem of the "crummy ROM". Diamond performs very slow compared to my Hermes (customized ROM + modifications). My friend runs origianl ROM and is very jealeous about the responsivness and speed of old TyTN
(3) Yes, after I got the TyTN that was the reason to find XDA-Devs too
- My feeling is the interface on Diamond is tooo heavy, which causes raely slow performance. For me personally this device makes sense after getting some clean rom on it. Well, in case getting the device more on "cool factor" side, I think it is coool - but for working device I still preffer what I have now
(perosnaly prefer to wait for Raphael and X1, and then will make my mind about changing device)

As stated, Dutty's ROM shows significant improvements to the performance/speed/stability/touch-sensitivity of the Diamond. I had quite a few complaints myself, about the poor performance of the Diamond as it was OOTB - but I knew that there most likely would be when I bought the phone.. however, i ALSO knew that there were chefs and cooks in these forums who always impress us with their mad-ass skills in creating the best ROMs in terms of performance 'n prettiness. All hail the Diamond chefs and cooks! You've seriously gotten me falling in love with my Diamond even more.

it Flies
JeeHaa said:
After having played with TF3D a bit (didn't care much for it), I personally use a "Clean" ROM from Panosha or bElite (plain WM61, without TF3D) and it runs very fast and has 70MB free with SBP Mobile Shell.
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I am also using the Panosha Clean ROM and Mobile Shell 2.1 and the phone absolutely flies, it leaves my Cruise for dead. For me this is the fastest Wm6 phone I have ever owned and I have owned a heap of them.

THanks to everyone for all the responses, it's interesting that the TF3D seems to cause performance issues for a lot of people. That also dissapoints me a but as I was thinking of holding out for the touch-pro, but by checking pdadb.net I see that they will have the same processor so can probably expect similar performance issues....is that correct?
Also, I wasn't knocking all Chinese ROM's, there are some awesome ones out there and I have used several for my hermes, I was knocking the crummy ones the guy at my local shop seems to dig up.
Anyway I guess the thing to do is wait for the deelopers here to come up with a fast ROM for these devices that doesn't sacrifice TF3D. I am sure they will figure it out and I wil absolutely DONATE, as should everyone who keeps a ROM on thier phone for more than a few days. THe fact is that our devices would suck without the work of people in the community and we should give something back to those who put down hard-earned money to be the first to buy these phones and then spend the time to make them work for the rest of us. Just my 2 cents....

your Diamond experience requested.

Hi guys,
im an orange customer and I'm for a an upgrade next Thursday. I was hoping to get a Touch Pro, but they dont seem to be bringing that out just yet on Orange so my alternative is the diamond.
I have heard lots of horror stories on it being very laggy and un-responsive due the the lower hardware specs. this with the un-ability to use any MMC Cards was one of the reasons i was routing for the pro.
They have now released a new rom and this has improved things a lot i hear but of-course there is not upgrade for the orange rom other than using a cooked one i assume as the HTC official will not work.
my question... If I go for the Diamond, am I downgrading to much... should I just be patient and wait ? would you say its a worthwhile phone ?
Thanks for you replies in advance, and this is an opinion thread, no flaming someone for their opinion necessary. my spelling well thats another matter ....

While the TouchPro is definitely more powerful than Diamond, I have bought Diamond recently and don't have any performance or usability issues so far. I am using the ROM that came from Telstra and am quite happy with it but I suppose over time, I would still go to try out some cooked ROMs as I have been addicted to flashing with my Hermes for the last 2 years.

To be short: If you don't need a qwerty keyboard and if you don't need more than 4GB storage, buy the Diamond. Nothing else comes close.
All the negative things you've heard about like slowness and such can be solved by installing a custom ROM like SwiftBL 6.0. My Diamond is not only fast, it almost flies.
The screen is the best on the market, the interface is great, GPS is excellent etc. etc. etc.

The Diamond is the PDA better than I ever try to date ...
I abandoned my P3600 move to this concentration of technology and style and I have not yet repented ...
The battery does not last much, but on the site HTC sell at a price not excessive plus the battery.
I had heard about the slowness in response and fluidity of TF3D, but even without resorting to custom ROM, just act with a registry editor on the registry, change some value and that's it ... now is my finger that is not behind the TF3D.
If I may advise, order!

I'm sorry to ruin, but the device is slow.
Before the diamond I had an i-mate jam running windows mobile 2003SE, which should be slower than the diamond, it has
an 400MHz Xscale cpu but the OS / phone way more responsive.
In the diamond it takes me few clicks to answer a phone call, also few seconds to disconnect one also the random freezes.. oh the freezes.. jezz
this driving me crazy when I hit the START button and it takes ~2 seconds to understand..
(And yes, I use dutty's cooked rom V1.7 1.93 which is considered the fastest)
There are good things of course, like the screen which is perfect, the built in GPS which works flawlessly and the TF3D interface
which I hope some time will work faster..
Meanwhile, I still hope I would be able to install Android when it comes out.
Btw, the screen might be perfect but I've also had an iphone, and its a different touch
experience, the multi touch points on the screen and no pen needed to work around are great.
One more annoying thing is the mini-usb.. very pointless, why not to use the regular standard usb port :\
Overall, I'm not too happy mainly due to the performance issues.
WM6.1 is too heavy for this phone, imo.

I had the same issues, but with 1.37 ROM. I was quite disappointed until I upgraded to 1.93 ROM. Those just can't compare, everything is silky smooth and runs really really fast. Now I'm soo glad i bought the phone, it works flawlessly-TF3D and WM6.1...of course thanks to this brilliant forum!
Bottom line: With minor tweaks and some patience you will be more than satisfied with the device. I was sold to the design, now I am to the WM too...

Even if I remove the TF3D interface its still less responsive than needed so I dont know what are you talking
about and I'm also running 1.93 dutty's ROM v1.7.
The whole thing feels like VISTA vs XP in performance terms..

It depend if you are luky or not, my father has a diamond too and had problems with 1.37 and now with the 1.93 he has a lot more problems. For me that was realy good with the Rom 1.37 and now impossible to use GPS updates with the 1.93; two phones and two diffrent experience. Impossible to use Skype in phone to phone over IP but great with PC to phone. Now there is a lot of tweaks realy usefull and this phone is great with a long battery life (if you use what you need when you need). I hope that will help you.

@Delusionz
I really feel sorry to hear that, mate. I am now on the official WWE 1.93 and it's just another world compared to the previous. Everything seems the way i like, which is also great thing with WM, cause lots of things are customizable(+all those performance tweaks which are great). For instance, if i click Start button, it opens down immediately...no lags whatsoever. On 1.37 it was only question of time...Did you try any other ROMs too?
@dge
I had this quick gps problem too...but on 1.37...now it's all fine...i guess we mean the same thing...but long battery life is not its plus...with some tweaking 2 days...maybe 2 and 1/2 days...of course with medium to low usage...

this is not a chat room
every week somebody starts a thread like this...every week.
there is plenty of reviews on the net (try google) and plenty of threads on this subject.
here you have a small collection of related threads. i searched using the word opinion and i got: personal opinions, comparisons with iPhone, comparisons with omnia, problems, why some ppl love their diamond, why some hate it....lots and lots of info!!
try and search the info you need. read! read! this is not a chat room!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419563&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415151&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408477&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414619&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411682&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402458&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398786&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411791&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411830&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400304&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411478&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402321&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409022&highlight=opinion

no its not a chat room but....
a forum to discuss
chill out.....go have a cup of tea or something

Some of the alleged "slowness" is inherent to all Windows Mobile devices. 4 years ago, WM phones took 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. Now, after all this improvement, they still take 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. This is not Diamond's fault, but rather Microsoft's.
Where Diamond shines is in comparison to other WM phones on the market, not iPhone. If you want extreme speed, buy iPhone. If you want business features with extreme speed and don't need touchscreen, buy BlackBerry Bold. If you want Windows Mobile, but the Diamond. Simple as that...

thanks everyone for there opinions and advice if. Its one of the reasons i like this forum as "most" people are friendly and happy to give advice.
Im not an Iphone man, this will be my 4th HTC and 5th WM device so i understand all to well the slowness of WM and if the mutterings i heard were just concerning that and not the device hardware then i think im sold.
I think i will miss-out the SD Card Slot and TV-Out of the Pro but hey its free! I cant argue to much.
Thanks Again,

Check this out:
Plenty of happy owners.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415852
IMO best phone out there by far, and it does not stop there since the phone is new, everyday brings new tweaks and apps that make it even better.

Is our diamond a good phone???

I have my diamond for almost a year now at first I bought a European diamond that does not work on the 3g network in my country (Colombia) then y had the chance to change it for the us version that support this network and with the help of all of you in xda developers I think that my phone is like a dream.
But in a Spanish forum that I also read (http://www.laneros.com/showthread.php?p=2690580#post2690580) the people say that the diamond is a piece of crap compared to the Samsung omnia or even the htc cruise.
It refer to the gps lag the all we know and is related to the qualcomm cpu. And the ram that is only 192mb that shares 64 mb with the 3d driver so left less that the ram that could have an older phone, and with the TF3D, the phone is too slow…
What do you think is the omnia much better phone that our diamond.
I read that because the screen with 4 times more resolution the diamond makes 4 x more operations or some thing la that. What do you think? I would like to answer this other forum but I have no technical information to contradict his theory.

I think all that matters is if you like it.

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I think all that matters is if you like it.
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i like it

Dont no if diamond is the best phone, but i just love it. Love the small size and I have everything I want in a phone in my shirt pocket, so from that point of view i love it (dont want huge brick in my pocket).
Must ask how you can have used your diamond for a year? didnt diamond came out in June/2008?
My Diamond isnt so slow with the new 2.03 rom. Htc has atleast tried to improve it, that you cant say with Cruise= very nice phone too but when it came out it had a old wm6 rom and from my point of view the wm6.1 update came too late..But im very interested in omnia too but I think i wait for the next version with the better screen, should be released later this year or I wait for the phone that should replace diamond, that can be a good one.
Hope htc learn a lession with Diamond and dont release a phone too soon, which was the case with Diamond. For now im satisfide with diamond and its a good phone

it is a diamond

Test with 2.03
Hi,
I update to 2.03 my mobile from tre.se with some "hacks" because swedish phone.
I think 2.03 is better and now my phone is quicker.
Thx omaga for the tip
B.R
Henrik
omaga said:
Dont no if diamond is the best phone, but i just love it. Love the small size and I have everything I want in a phone in my shirt pocket, so from that point of view i love it (dont want huge brick in my pocket).
Must ask how you can have used your diamond for a year? didnt diamond came out in June/2008?
My Diamond isnt so slow with the new 2.03 rom. Htc has atleast tried to improve it, that you cant say with Cruise= very nice phone too but when it came out it had a old wm6 rom and from my point of view the wm6.1 update came too late..But im very interested in omnia too but I think i wait for the next version with the better screen, should be released later this year or I wait for the phone that should replace diamond, that can be a good one.
Hope htc learn a lession with Diamond and dont release a phone too soon, which was the case with Diamond. For now im satisfide with diamond and its a good phone
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one of my mates has an omnia and he always asking to play with my diamond, so i cant be that much better lol

2.03
Hi,
My Diamond is quicker now with 2.03.
If you think that your diamond is to slow try 2.03

omnia : bigger storage , yes . louder sound , yes .better camera and flash , yes . much better battery life , yes .
but when i decided to choose between omnia and diamond , i hold them both in my hands and bought diamond although they both cost the same in that time (now diamond costs more in my country.libya)
so why i chose diamond , i don't know but loved it more

The Diamond is slow, has rubbish camera, no memory card slot, laggy GPS, sloppy music playback and terrible battery life. It's the best freckin' phone I've owned I just love it, with all the great work that everyone does on XDA developers, it's like the phone is constantly evolving. The Diamond I'm using today is nothing like the Diamond that was delivered to me, sure sometimes it makes me mad as hell but then it does make me smile. With every other phone I've owned I was always waiting for the next new model or version, with my Diamond I just wait to see what else it can do

xavierdemon said:
The Diamond is slow, has rubbish camera, no memory card slot, laggy GPS, sloppy music playback and terrible battery life. It's the best freckin' phone I've owned I just love it, with all the great work that everyone does on XDA developers, it's like the phone is constantly evolving. The Diamond I'm using today is nothing like the Diamond that was delivered to me, sure sometimes it makes me mad as hell but then it does make me smile. With every other phone I've owned I was always waiting for the next new model or version, with my Diamond I just wait to see what else it can do
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I love how you turned it around regarding your comment here xavierdemon....Yes it does have it's faults but you couldn't have said it better, XDA developers create the essence of why we all truly believe that, "Diamonds are Forever"
At first, my battery seemed crap and the Rom to be luggish but after being exposed to this great community, the Diamond truly shines !!
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Hey it's all about being positive as well. No phone is perfect

xavierdemons post nails it.
isn't it the community around here, that is mostly responsible for the joy with our diamonds? i sure wouldn't have cooked rom of my like (how nice, you can choose of many!), registry-tweaks found by xda-devs, all those tipps and tricks that sum up to MY diamond which is like no other (iphones appear to me like clones - roger roger)...
it's not just the capabilities of pure hardware that make some of those devices kinda special... there were other mp3 players before the ipod, and hardware-wise htc has much more to offer than the iphone. (kinda lame i have to use apple stuff to phrase what i mean ^^)