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Regarding HTC - P4350

Hi people
I have a magician pda (o2xda2mini running on WM 2003SE).I wanted to go for a new one so i found HTC - P4350 to be good.I think its HERALD..Before that i have some quires.If u can plz spend some time...
1.It comes with WM5..Can i upgrade to WM 6 or 6.1?
2.Can i get all those cube and sliding effects like diamond(by installing softwares from xda...)
3.Is it a good phone(speed) coz its only got 200Mhz processor where as my present one(O2 XDA2 mini has 416 mhz)
4.How is the reception?coz my xda2mini sucks
5.DO u have any other good pda's to suggest?TYTNII is too costly.
Plz help me go for a good deal..

Bro (or sis) you can look in forums, use search button and those things...
BUT
1) Wm6 --> Yes
2) Yes, but i dont know how is it performance
3) Well, try to install things in external memory
4) Good
5) TyTN II, my suggested --> HTC Touch (ELFin) <-- my suggested, HTC Shift... ummm perhaps HTC Diamond but im having some strange issues with it

sathya said:
Hi people
I have a magician pda (o2xda2mini running on WM 2003SE).I wanted to go for a new one so i found HTC - P4350 to be good.I think its HERALD..Before that i have some quires.If u can plz spend some time...
1.It comes with WM5..Can i upgrade to WM 6 or 6.1?
2.Can i get all those cube and sliding effects like diamond(by installing softwares from xda...)
3.Is it a good phone(speed) coz its only got 200Mhz processor where as my present one(O2 XDA2 mini has 416 mhz)
4.How is the reception?coz my xda2mini sucks
5.DO u have any other good pda's to suggest?TYTNII is too costly.
Plz help me go for a good deal..
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1. Read all about HARDSPL and USPL but you have to know that there always is a risk that you might brick your phone so yes but risky. If you follow all the instructions though there is a high percentage you can do it but read at least like 6 hours b4 you do anything ^^
2. Yes and performance is good.
3. You can use batterystatus to overclock the cpu to at least 260 thats always stable and it's a nice phone everything I use works flawlessly and the 25ish RAM you got after installing some progs is most of the times enough too.
4. With a custom ROM that has a new radio built in it's perfect never had no reception anywhere but I'm living in a big town in germany so dunno if it's different on the countryside.
5. no

Thank u so much DrogenDiego and tramuyo for replying to my post.

your Diamond experience requested.

Hi guys,
im an orange customer and I'm for a an upgrade next Thursday. I was hoping to get a Touch Pro, but they dont seem to be bringing that out just yet on Orange so my alternative is the diamond.
I have heard lots of horror stories on it being very laggy and un-responsive due the the lower hardware specs. this with the un-ability to use any MMC Cards was one of the reasons i was routing for the pro.
They have now released a new rom and this has improved things a lot i hear but of-course there is not upgrade for the orange rom other than using a cooked one i assume as the HTC official will not work.
my question... If I go for the Diamond, am I downgrading to much... should I just be patient and wait ? would you say its a worthwhile phone ?
Thanks for you replies in advance, and this is an opinion thread, no flaming someone for their opinion necessary. my spelling well thats another matter ....

While the TouchPro is definitely more powerful than Diamond, I have bought Diamond recently and don't have any performance or usability issues so far. I am using the ROM that came from Telstra and am quite happy with it but I suppose over time, I would still go to try out some cooked ROMs as I have been addicted to flashing with my Hermes for the last 2 years.

To be short: If you don't need a qwerty keyboard and if you don't need more than 4GB storage, buy the Diamond. Nothing else comes close.
All the negative things you've heard about like slowness and such can be solved by installing a custom ROM like SwiftBL 6.0. My Diamond is not only fast, it almost flies.
The screen is the best on the market, the interface is great, GPS is excellent etc. etc. etc.

The Diamond is the PDA better than I ever try to date ...
I abandoned my P3600 move to this concentration of technology and style and I have not yet repented ...
The battery does not last much, but on the site HTC sell at a price not excessive plus the battery.
I had heard about the slowness in response and fluidity of TF3D, but even without resorting to custom ROM, just act with a registry editor on the registry, change some value and that's it ... now is my finger that is not behind the TF3D.
If I may advise, order!

I'm sorry to ruin, but the device is slow.
Before the diamond I had an i-mate jam running windows mobile 2003SE, which should be slower than the diamond, it has
an 400MHz Xscale cpu but the OS / phone way more responsive.
In the diamond it takes me few clicks to answer a phone call, also few seconds to disconnect one also the random freezes.. oh the freezes.. jezz
this driving me crazy when I hit the START button and it takes ~2 seconds to understand..
(And yes, I use dutty's cooked rom V1.7 1.93 which is considered the fastest)
There are good things of course, like the screen which is perfect, the built in GPS which works flawlessly and the TF3D interface
which I hope some time will work faster..
Meanwhile, I still hope I would be able to install Android when it comes out.
Btw, the screen might be perfect but I've also had an iphone, and its a different touch
experience, the multi touch points on the screen and no pen needed to work around are great.
One more annoying thing is the mini-usb.. very pointless, why not to use the regular standard usb port :\
Overall, I'm not too happy mainly due to the performance issues.
WM6.1 is too heavy for this phone, imo.

I had the same issues, but with 1.37 ROM. I was quite disappointed until I upgraded to 1.93 ROM. Those just can't compare, everything is silky smooth and runs really really fast. Now I'm soo glad i bought the phone, it works flawlessly-TF3D and WM6.1...of course thanks to this brilliant forum!
Bottom line: With minor tweaks and some patience you will be more than satisfied with the device. I was sold to the design, now I am to the WM too...

Even if I remove the TF3D interface its still less responsive than needed so I dont know what are you talking
about and I'm also running 1.93 dutty's ROM v1.7.
The whole thing feels like VISTA vs XP in performance terms..

It depend if you are luky or not, my father has a diamond too and had problems with 1.37 and now with the 1.93 he has a lot more problems. For me that was realy good with the Rom 1.37 and now impossible to use GPS updates with the 1.93; two phones and two diffrent experience. Impossible to use Skype in phone to phone over IP but great with PC to phone. Now there is a lot of tweaks realy usefull and this phone is great with a long battery life (if you use what you need when you need). I hope that will help you.

@Delusionz
I really feel sorry to hear that, mate. I am now on the official WWE 1.93 and it's just another world compared to the previous. Everything seems the way i like, which is also great thing with WM, cause lots of things are customizable(+all those performance tweaks which are great). For instance, if i click Start button, it opens down immediately...no lags whatsoever. On 1.37 it was only question of time...Did you try any other ROMs too?
@dge
I had this quick gps problem too...but on 1.37...now it's all fine...i guess we mean the same thing...but long battery life is not its plus...with some tweaking 2 days...maybe 2 and 1/2 days...of course with medium to low usage...

this is not a chat room
every week somebody starts a thread like this...every week.
there is plenty of reviews on the net (try google) and plenty of threads on this subject.
here you have a small collection of related threads. i searched using the word opinion and i got: personal opinions, comparisons with iPhone, comparisons with omnia, problems, why some ppl love their diamond, why some hate it....lots and lots of info!!
try and search the info you need. read! read! this is not a chat room!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419563&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415151&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408477&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=414619&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411682&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402458&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398786&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411791&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411830&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400304&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411478&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402321&highlight=opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409022&highlight=opinion

no its not a chat room but....
a forum to discuss
chill out.....go have a cup of tea or something

Some of the alleged "slowness" is inherent to all Windows Mobile devices. 4 years ago, WM phones took 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. Now, after all this improvement, they still take 2 seconds to open startmenu-programs. This is not Diamond's fault, but rather Microsoft's.
Where Diamond shines is in comparison to other WM phones on the market, not iPhone. If you want extreme speed, buy iPhone. If you want business features with extreme speed and don't need touchscreen, buy BlackBerry Bold. If you want Windows Mobile, but the Diamond. Simple as that...

thanks everyone for there opinions and advice if. Its one of the reasons i like this forum as "most" people are friendly and happy to give advice.
Im not an Iphone man, this will be my 4th HTC and 5th WM device so i understand all to well the slowness of WM and if the mutterings i heard were just concerning that and not the device hardware then i think im sold.
I think i will miss-out the SD Card Slot and TV-Out of the Pro but hey its free! I cant argue to much.
Thanks Again,

Check this out:
Plenty of happy owners.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415852
IMO best phone out there by far, and it does not stop there since the phone is new, everyday brings new tweaks and apps that make it even better.

S740

Hello,
would there be a possibility to port the rom from the upcoming s740 to the s730?
In order to get hardware accelleration, for example.
I don't understand much from rom porting. So I ask here!
gr. Rob

Instead of creating S740, HTC should improve S730. Now I feel conned by HTC - if you want good working phone, buy new one! Next smartphone or PDA, which I buy will not be from HTC as they treat their clients like this...

rob205gti said:
Hello,
would there be a possibility to port the rom from the upcoming s740 to the s730?
In order to get hardware accelleration, for example.
I don't understand much from rom porting. So I ask here!
gr. Rob
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I am going to hazard a guess that it will be possible to port out the rom from the phone, overall the phone is the same, and has GPS enabled so if you can get whatever the end result of the GPS thread here said was missing from our phone the new rom might add the software support for that to make it work.
The video exceleration might work, but the added issue is the new interface is going to be even more memory intensive and the new phone has tripple the memory. I am sure you could cut that out of the import and see about just porting the driver's for the acelleration but that driver might not support our hardware and might not work properly.
Will have to wait and see what happens when people get their hands on it and start tinkering.

All I can say is that they lost me as a customer for a long time (in these days you never say never)
The only way my phone became usable is by installing 6.1 from here.
I am still waiting for an update on the S730 that will make memory use logical.
There is no way in hell I am giving these guys any more of my money for the "improved version" of my already expensive phone.
I am going back to Palm for the Palm Treo Pro and at least suffer a little bit from faults of another company
J

We Touch Cruise owners felt the same way about the release of the Diamond. Our device is 6 months old. Instead of any fixes or updates, they release the Diamond. Furthermore, they tell us that better multimedia support will be in the form of newer devices (as opposed to much needed product updates).
Our official WM6.1 release isn't even here yet, but both the older TyTn II and the newer Diamond owners have seen ROM updates, with the Diamond having full 3D driver support and the TyTn II getting some support.

Sounds familiar indeed. Seems HTC priors the release of new mass sellers like the Diamond and the Touch pro and therefore won't work on any software updates or anything on other devices like the Touch cruise or the S730. This should be more balanced in my opinion.
They might lose a lot of customers that own HTC devices with shortages like the RAM memory leakage issue of the S730. The fact that the S740 has 256 (!!) MB RAM shows they do admit this RAM shortage of the S730. I think a 140 grams smartphone with just a 2,4 inch screen is still a bit too heavy/small these days.

All I can say is that I am very curious about a ported rom from the s740 for our s730's.
I it evident that a lot of s730 owners are very frustrated and dissappointed in HTC, as it is hard to keep ONTOPIC. Most posts are overloaded by negativity (which is justified).
For me the s730 is as close to perfect in terms of form factor as you can get. So I am not looking for a new device with more features. I want better usability and stability of my s730. And, also very important, getting the performance out of the hardware that is in it.
gr. Rob

the s740 spec wise is almost identical to our s730. hopefully some chefs can pick apart the s740 ROM and get the good parts [maybe GPS and new weather sliding panel and other stuffs].

Considering a jade, where is the user base and custom roms?

I really like the specs on this phone but without a Hard-SPL and selection of custom ROMS, I don't know if I can justify spending such a large amount of money for something that cannot be fine tuned to my liking with a custom ROM.
Is there really that large of a user base for this device?

dharvey4651 said:
I really like the specs on this phone but without a Hard-SPL and selection of custom ROMS, I don't know if I can justify spending such a large amount of money for something that cannot be fine tuned to my liking with a custom ROM.
Is there really that large of a user base for this device?
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Is a very new model. It does fault a bit of time so that there are a lot of users, but sure that early will have them

I think, Jade is still under the shadow of the Diamond, but for me, it is the best PDA from HTC, lightweight, nice and with long battery life... Not only theoreticaly, i've got Cruise, Diamond and Jade now.

Alekss_UH said:
I think, Jade is still under the shadow of the Diamond, but for me, it is the best PDA from HTC, lightweight, nice and with long battery life... Not only theoreticaly, i've got Cruise, Diamond and Jade now.
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Totally in agreement. It is a question of time. I have had Artemis, then Cruise and now Jade. For me, of the three, the Jade is the most complete. But lik it does not commercialize any company of telephony, since it, is late more in are many users...
Yeah, my english is too bad.... sorry

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avefenix said:
Totally in agreement. It is a question of time. I have had Artemis, then Cruise and now Jade. For me, of the three, the Jade is the most complete. But lik it does not commercialize any company of telephony, since it, is late more in are many users...
Yeah, my english is too bad.... sorry
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Please tell me where i can find htc jade, english rom? or can somebody make it for me?please give me replay!!!

You are right, so far it is the best. I had Universal, Athena, Elfin, Touch Cruise, Opal but it has all i need: Small, Light, Powerful and overall best looking of them all

I am looking at buying either an Elfin or a Jade for Christmas. I really would like the Jade for the faster processer and the higher RAM, but the Elf/Elfin has so much more customizing available. There are a dozen or more custom roms available for the Elfin. How long befoe the cooked roms start coming in for the Jade?

Go get a Viva, its specs is lot lower than Jade. But it runs fast practically with only 210Mhz processor. It is much faster than my Jade, my Cruise, my Trinity, my Elf, my Prophet and .....
I can't give the explanation. My coworker bought a Viva because Jade was almost twice the price. I helped her to install games, utilities and other application programs. It also has 256M ROM/RAM but it ran so much faster than my Jade which has a 528Meg processor. I use SKtools to do all the optimizations and read these forums back and forth to see if I could find anything wrong with any setup with my Jade, my Polaris but no avail. My Trinity ran faster than Cruise and Jade that really puzzled me.

Is our diamond a good phone???

I have my diamond for almost a year now at first I bought a European diamond that does not work on the 3g network in my country (Colombia) then y had the chance to change it for the us version that support this network and with the help of all of you in xda developers I think that my phone is like a dream.
But in a Spanish forum that I also read (http://www.laneros.com/showthread.php?p=2690580#post2690580) the people say that the diamond is a piece of crap compared to the Samsung omnia or even the htc cruise.
It refer to the gps lag the all we know and is related to the qualcomm cpu. And the ram that is only 192mb that shares 64 mb with the 3d driver so left less that the ram that could have an older phone, and with the TF3D, the phone is too slow…
What do you think is the omnia much better phone that our diamond.
I read that because the screen with 4 times more resolution the diamond makes 4 x more operations or some thing la that. What do you think? I would like to answer this other forum but I have no technical information to contradict his theory.

I think all that matters is if you like it.

Pumpiron579 said:
I think all that matters is if you like it.
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i like it

Dont no if diamond is the best phone, but i just love it. Love the small size and I have everything I want in a phone in my shirt pocket, so from that point of view i love it (dont want huge brick in my pocket).
Must ask how you can have used your diamond for a year? didnt diamond came out in June/2008?
My Diamond isnt so slow with the new 2.03 rom. Htc has atleast tried to improve it, that you cant say with Cruise= very nice phone too but when it came out it had a old wm6 rom and from my point of view the wm6.1 update came too late..But im very interested in omnia too but I think i wait for the next version with the better screen, should be released later this year or I wait for the phone that should replace diamond, that can be a good one.
Hope htc learn a lession with Diamond and dont release a phone too soon, which was the case with Diamond. For now im satisfide with diamond and its a good phone

it is a diamond

Test with 2.03
Hi,
I update to 2.03 my mobile from tre.se with some "hacks" because swedish phone.
I think 2.03 is better and now my phone is quicker.
Thx omaga for the tip
B.R
Henrik
omaga said:
Dont no if diamond is the best phone, but i just love it. Love the small size and I have everything I want in a phone in my shirt pocket, so from that point of view i love it (dont want huge brick in my pocket).
Must ask how you can have used your diamond for a year? didnt diamond came out in June/2008?
My Diamond isnt so slow with the new 2.03 rom. Htc has atleast tried to improve it, that you cant say with Cruise= very nice phone too but when it came out it had a old wm6 rom and from my point of view the wm6.1 update came too late..But im very interested in omnia too but I think i wait for the next version with the better screen, should be released later this year or I wait for the phone that should replace diamond, that can be a good one.
Hope htc learn a lession with Diamond and dont release a phone too soon, which was the case with Diamond. For now im satisfide with diamond and its a good phone
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one of my mates has an omnia and he always asking to play with my diamond, so i cant be that much better lol

2.03
Hi,
My Diamond is quicker now with 2.03.
If you think that your diamond is to slow try 2.03

omnia : bigger storage , yes . louder sound , yes .better camera and flash , yes . much better battery life , yes .
but when i decided to choose between omnia and diamond , i hold them both in my hands and bought diamond although they both cost the same in that time (now diamond costs more in my country.libya)
so why i chose diamond , i don't know but loved it more

The Diamond is slow, has rubbish camera, no memory card slot, laggy GPS, sloppy music playback and terrible battery life. It's the best freckin' phone I've owned I just love it, with all the great work that everyone does on XDA developers, it's like the phone is constantly evolving. The Diamond I'm using today is nothing like the Diamond that was delivered to me, sure sometimes it makes me mad as hell but then it does make me smile. With every other phone I've owned I was always waiting for the next new model or version, with my Diamond I just wait to see what else it can do

xavierdemon said:
The Diamond is slow, has rubbish camera, no memory card slot, laggy GPS, sloppy music playback and terrible battery life. It's the best freckin' phone I've owned I just love it, with all the great work that everyone does on XDA developers, it's like the phone is constantly evolving. The Diamond I'm using today is nothing like the Diamond that was delivered to me, sure sometimes it makes me mad as hell but then it does make me smile. With every other phone I've owned I was always waiting for the next new model or version, with my Diamond I just wait to see what else it can do
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I love how you turned it around regarding your comment here xavierdemon....Yes it does have it's faults but you couldn't have said it better, XDA developers create the essence of why we all truly believe that, "Diamonds are Forever"
At first, my battery seemed crap and the Rom to be luggish but after being exposed to this great community, the Diamond truly shines !!
Disclaimer
Hey it's all about being positive as well. No phone is perfect

xavierdemons post nails it.
isn't it the community around here, that is mostly responsible for the joy with our diamonds? i sure wouldn't have cooked rom of my like (how nice, you can choose of many!), registry-tweaks found by xda-devs, all those tipps and tricks that sum up to MY diamond which is like no other (iphones appear to me like clones - roger roger)...
it's not just the capabilities of pure hardware that make some of those devices kinda special... there were other mp3 players before the ipod, and hardware-wise htc has much more to offer than the iphone. (kinda lame i have to use apple stuff to phrase what i mean ^^)