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Please please recompile stuff for the new processor, ask Qualcomm for sdk / libraries, do something, damn it !
I have a PDA i use in my car only for GPS nav (MIO P350 - 400MHz Samsung) and it plays movies better, not only speed (benchmark on same movie 172% vs 142% on the Kaiser with the EXACT same settings) but also less tearing in landscape mode. Oh, and the price was 3 times lower (i know, i know, GSM, hardware keyboard, etc, etc. but the Kaiser is supposed to be THE BEST THING EVER, with a new generation processor... crap)
Again, please release a new ROM that does justice to the processor, or stop marketing crap...
You do have a choice to buy other brands... ??
I personally find the Kaiser great just about any way. Yes there are components that could have been better. There's no doubt about it. But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
All i'm saying is that the processor has a lot more to offer, and on paper it's great, but the way HTC released the Kaiser it's like buying a super-computer, the best on the market, and you run things on it without drivers (you know how Windows runs / looks without video drivers)
I'm sure it will get better over time while they work out the kinks. The Danish version was released without World Card Mobile, but they are aware of that and will post an update on the eclub forum when its ready.
I'm quite satisfied with my TyTN II.
I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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Then get rid of it. I am sure you can sell it on eBay for what you paid for it. I think it's the best thing on the market right now
RPG0 said:
I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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Finally, someone who used windows mobile devices before and knows what it's all about.
About selling: like i said, it's like buying a good computer but not having good drivers for the hardware... why sell a good piece of hardware ? Ask the vendor for good drivers !
been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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I agree, by now these devices should be easily able to outperform lesser devices. However, HTC hasn't done many tweaks to the underlying OS to make it a better user experience besides adding touchflo. Look at how well and fast the Treo 750 or 700wx run and all of the user enhancements.
eaglesrest said:
been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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At playing videos? I tend to agree with the OP... the drivers clearly aren't optimized for the hardware at this point. Given the specs, it should play videos better than pervious products, not worse.
the video part actually refers to direct draw mode, because there's nothing HTC can do about the other modes, it's raw processor power
my problem is with the system in general, i can see drawing when scrolling in program folder, which is using GDI, which is not optimized. I also see tearing (it's not VSync-ed).
Aaaand.... the cherry on top: i'm a programmer and this device doesn't support directdraw so good (ok, it's slow, i get it, but at least let me use it with back buffer...)
He called the MARKETING crap.
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.... But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
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Ahaa, someone else noticed that the software sucks : Qualcomm claims thier chip has hardware DirectX support, but our Kaiser doesn't:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745
btw: i'm not sure if Qualcomm lies or HTC is lazy, but something is really wrong here
HTC or Qualcomm or ATT or whoever should really address this. Watching .wmv(Microsoft's own codec for crying out loud) files is horrible. Horrible I say! I've tried it on 3 different Tilts. And for anyone to say it's not doesn't know what their talking about. Or has REALLY low expectations.
It's totally like the OP said. It needs video drivers...
Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
The Kaiser came out right after I bought my Wing. I would have bought the Kaiser -- seems like an awesome phone, but now I'm going to get some mileage out of my Wing.
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Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
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I have tried .mp4s with Core Player, and with some tweaking, they play fairly smoothly, but I agree -- .WMV is frustratingly bad. I came from a Samsung i730, which handled all codecs encoded up to (and sometimes beyond) 700kbps with no problem.
I also seem to think the video recording on the camera side is suffering from these bad "drivers". I did a comparison and my TyTnI video is WAY less burry. Way less...
Shame. HTC you should really be ashamed. Or at least get to fixing it and release a proper ROM. Or is video not important?
Sold my hermes for this
It hasnt made a huge Difference accept 50 to 60 mb prog memory. camera is horrible like o2 IIi
Video slow
Well before I had Imate JAsjam thatone played wmv and other video files without a hitch, Comparing the speed to the Kaiser the looks like a device
from the early 90's
Coolsmartphone are doing a day by day review with a guy using it for a week. At least we'll find out about things like battery life!
days 1 and 2 are up, and u can ask quesions in the forum post for each day.
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/
Great review
Thx! Really Really nice review! Take a look ppl!
I for one have confirmed to buying this phone after watching this video. The video
showed that the keys are very responsive when dialing numbers, which is really important I think.
yeah, and you can ask him questions to answer in the next days review. If you can't be bothered to register to add a question, just ask here and i'll post it there.
I don't think he has been asked, what Version Tomtom Navigator he tried on it, and if this was delivered with the device or did he install it on his own?
lots of people have already asked that in day3..
Check here first:
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12471
Day 4
Day 4 has just been uploaded...
@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called new folder and though it showed up in the TouchFlo 3D app. However you should have MOVED the picture rather than COPYING it as the app will have picked up the original, or you should have seen the image twice. Could you re-do the test as a MOVE rather than COPY.
2. Could you try some games on the screen to see how they behave under VGA, try worms world party from jamdat if you can download the demo, and see if its easy to aim, you should have 6/7 steps between horizontal and vertical aim.
3. Using TomTom could you compare the calculating route time between two devices calculating the same route. Also brows the map on the diamond, and zoom fully out from street level to the whole of the map (UK or Europe) to let us see how quickly it re-renders the map.
Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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You need a media player that can utilise the hardware acceleration of the Qualcomm chipset, such as Core Player 1.2
posted!
btw did everyone notice in day 4, it seems all 5 UMTS bands are supported
Did they manage to put the correct antenna's in or maybe its just because its a test handset.
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@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called ......
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Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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Yeah, but as imranbashir_uk said, Windows Media Player is not the best software to use. Does anyone know if the phone in these reviews has the same software as the version that will be sold? If it does, that video problem might put the most lazy consumers off getting it.
nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom, not for sale on it
some athenas were shipped with test roms, but that was only by compusa who were closing down i think.
but shipping what is their biggest release so far of 08, with great new enhancements without being complete would be utterly stupid [wait isnt that what happened with kaiser video drivers? ]
Rory
No that was test firmware only. It says so when he powers up the device. Also I don’t think the full firmware is going to be any better unless they can somehow hack windows media player to utilise the hardware acceleration of the chipset.
To visualise what I’m talking about think about windows just after a fresh install, the resolution is VGA, and the colour depth is only 16-Bit, its only after you install the drivers for your graphics card (Radeon) that you get to actually utilise the hardware.
In terms of the Diamond, Core Player 1.2 recognises the enabled graphics acceleration within the Qualcomm chipset and the software is able to fully utilise it.
yep and its worth paying whatever it costs because it utilised my athenas imageon too.. [i dont think that has drivers either]
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nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom
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Yeah, obviously those would be changed (and yes, I did see them, so please stop treating me like a retard - why would I have asked that question if I had not seen them?), but I'm not familiar with how much these ROMs change between test and final versions. For some companies that change is very small, whereas for others (Planetside) there can be a lot of change.
Also, I've finished watching day 4 now, and I think the Touch Diamond did fairly well in the battery test. Obviously it lost, but it only used roughly 33% more battery power than the other phone and he was using them pretty heavily.
Won’t change that much unfortunately, most of HTC’s software is modular hence the reason it can be easily ported. The main difference I guess would be that the latest AKU of WM 6.1 will be incorporated.
If you think about it, its not in HTC’s interest to send out poor quality software to reviewers as most peoples judgments will be based on these reviews until they get to play with a mates version who was a early adopter.
Meh. Sendo sent out a phone to reviewers and subsequently went bust.
well another example is debug builds of all the exe's which spam logs with information about which functions are running, and contain extra structures to hold debug info. So you never really can be sure.
I'm sure that HTC will continue to tweak the rom with updates for a few months after release at the least.
Generally agree that they will continue to tweak the ROM, but would they really send debug builds to reviewers? Hmmm not too sure about that one...
Hey all,
I don't know how many people have used the new D3D drivers yet, but I just did it with an old Dutty's 6.1 Cube ROM, and oh my God it's like night and day! Just figured I would spam with this fact. Have a nice day .
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Hey all,
I don't know how many people have used the new D3D drivers yet, but I just did it with an old Dutty's 6.1 Cube ROM, and oh my God it's like night and day! Just figured I would spam with this fact. Have a nice day .
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Are you sure it's not dutty's that is fast?
I think he meant to say the D3D drivers made the cube 'faster' than it was already.
as fast as Winterface... like can I hold the cube in the middle?... lol prolly not cuz of software, but cube was pretty fast either way... can u give us more specifications so we can try it on ours too... like which cube etc...
I'm using slither's cube, and whether it's my imagination or not, it definitely seems faster. Maybe i'll take a video of both when i get the time, and make a real comparison.
This probably should be in the Kaiser Software forum, just for future reference. I'm sure a mod will move it for you though.
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I'm using slither's cube, and whether it's my imagination or not, it definitely seems faster. Maybe i'll take a video of both when i get the time, and make a real comparison.
This probably should be in the Kaiser Software forum, just for future reference. I'm sure a mod will move it for you though.
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which one? his c++ one, or his flash lite one, because i like his c++ one more
also i thought that these drivers didnt work for full-screen apps ?
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which one? his c++ one, or his flash lite one, because i like his c++ one more
also i thought that these drivers didnt work for full-screen apps ?
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That is what i thought also. It could be the rom i'm using to Garmin's V2. I'm using his uno cube with the flash lite bundle. The pages flip almost instantly, it's very nice.
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which one? his c++ one, or his flash lite one, because i like his c++ one more
also i thought that these drivers didnt work for full-screen apps ?
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lawls, no. The C++ cube was created for the sole reason that there was no 3D acceleration (until recently). I'm talking about the actual cube. It's like greased lightning.
And technically this could go in software or ROM development, since D3D drivers I would consider part of the ROM and not software.
bout time i got a new rom i think as this will not work on my current
Dutty's rom is the cube from the Touch Dual. The FPS Cube. It has always been fast. You can edit the fastnes (fps) in the register....
It does not have anything to do with the drivers.
ahh...I'm a tard. I havent used the cube in so long i didnt remember. Poo. Someone close this thread!
The drivers are only active for D3D applications. Cubes do not use D3D.
For now, only a few applications use D3D (mostly games).
Hey.
Tried installing the warfare incorporated demo on my diamond, and it runs just fine. But when you move around on the map, and especially when you click a "unit/person" or whatever you wanna call it, and move him/it around on the map, the whole game lags very badly.
Isn't the diamond capable of running this game? I though there was some sort of graphics "card" in the diamond, maybe it's not being utilized by the game?
Anyone had any luck with this?
http://www.warfareincorporated.com/
hello!
Plays perfectly fine on my diamond...
Very smooth even with many units
That's very odd. Sure you haven't configured your device in some way to make it happen? Which rom are you using?
I get the same result both with the orig 1.37 and tlr-3.08
My apologies, I just reinstalled the game, and now, for some reason, it runs pretty flawlessly.
I was wondering however, is it possible to get te game to support 480x640?
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My apologies, I just reinstalled the game, and now, for some reason, it runs pretty flawlessly.
I was wondering however, is it possible to get te game to support 480x640?
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That's funny, I had the same problem on my Raphael. Uninstalled and reinstalled and now its running great except I cannot select 480x640 either. I will contact Handmark since I do have a registered version of this game. Hopefully they will have a solution.
bersca said:
That's funny, I had the same problem on my Raphael. Uninstalled and reinstalled and now its running great except I cannot select 480x640 either. I will contact Handmark since I do have a registered version of this game. Hopefully they will have a solution.
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no wonder it doesn't have high-res support as it was released in 2001...
If you DO need a hi-res RTS, get Machines at War. Another pick is Towers Trap but it may be too slow on the Diamond. See my dedicated reviews.
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no wonder it doesn't have high-res support as it was released in 2001...
If you DO need a hi-res RTS, get Machines at War. Another pick is Towers Trap but it may be too slow on the Diamond. See my dedicated reviews.
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I checked out the demo of Machines at war and have ended up purchasing it. It looks good, runs smooth and play great. Cheers for the recommendation.
Menneisyys said:
no wonder it doesn't have high-res support as it was released in 2001...
If you DO need a hi-res RTS, get Machines at War. Another pick is Towers Trap but it may be too slow on the Diamond. See my dedicated reviews.)
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You may be right about that, I think the latest version was released in '04, but this still predates hi-res PPC devices. I thought I remember it looking better on my Pocket Loox 720 (VGA screen). Also, I read that there is hi-res available for this game, but that may be for Palm since Palm did hi-res way before PPC did. Remember when Palm was the cutting edge in handheld technology? I'll try the games you mentioned, thanks for the recommendations.
This is a new openGL Touch Pro Driver Set D3DM/DirectX is no longer
supported. Programs like Diamond Hologram and D3DM mobile samples will not
work. I have done some testing and most games written on openGL like Quake
3, Tony Hawk, Call of Duty, and Assassins Creed, run well. Touch Flow 3D
works well. Need for Speed Undercover seems to not want to load. It gets to
the "select sound on/off," then freezes device. I guess NFSU relies on D3DM.
All benchmarks programs work. Three separate videos showing new
performance will be uploaded shortly.
Step 1: Install Driver.zip
Step 2: Install reg.cab
Step 3: soft reset
Your Touch Flow 3D and openGL games also programs should run fast. 2D/3D
supported in this new openGL driver. I need
testers because this is still a working progress, some fine tuning may be
needed. I removed directx/D3DM support because either the processor or
windows mobile affect both of the graphic support and doesn't seem to work
well together. This is mostly a gamers upgrade since most of the good games
like Quake 3, and others work on openGL. And I personally think openGL runs
better. The ATI chip in the Touch Pro supports openGL/openGL ES Hardware
Acceleration.
Gamer pack
Please test fully. and report back findings. No Hard Reset needed, Simply Uninstall.
Where is the driver file?
wow man this is a huge speed boost, opera renders crazy fast and the whole os is much snappier, ill test gaming and weigh in the results
I tried to download Driver.zip, but it's hosted by a non-premium RapidShare account or something, and so can't be downloaded more than 10 times. Can you re-upload it somewhere else?
made absolutely no difference here to everyday operations.
I don't play games, so can't comment on possible speed increases there.
cant open the driver zip and anyone add it again?
No difference on my Touch Pro.
How can I uninstall it ,there is nothing in Remove Programs.
Edit: I've tested it with THPS2,Undercover,CoD2 - no difference,except I can't run the Diamond hologram and etc...
Driver.zip doesn't seem to be avail anymore, can you host again please?
where is the driver file? and would this made spb3.5 animation faster?
what driver file? o.o i just see the reg cab
is the reg.cab the only file needed?
this driver pack was release to ten people. Now im Waiting on results. Sorry.
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this driver pack was release to ten people. Now im Waiting on results. Sorry.
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Why not increase the number of samples to get more feedback?
dearmasfamily said:
this driver pack was release to ten people. Now im Waiting on results. Sorry.
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Please keep us updated. Patiently awaiting results as someone stated Opera draws much quicker and that got my attention.
dearmasfamily said:
this driver pack was release to ten people. Now im Waiting on results. Sorry.
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Any updates on the status of the testing?
yeah i m interested too...
Whare are the news?
Only 10 testers, it's not much. Perhaps you can share with cookers too, so they cab tru to includ it on their rom to see ^^
yeah i m interested too...
Whare are the news?
Only 10 testers, it's not much. Perhaps you can share with cookers too, so they cab tru to includ it on their rom to see ^^
I would also like to know about this, and why only 10 people, why not release it to everyone? You have nothing to lose, and you have a lot of people to test it for you?
Hey, I'm also pretty keen to see what effects this driver has. Put my vote down in the "The more people testing, the better" camp.