I was wondering the other day that WHAT IF WE CAN USE THE EXTERNAL MEMORY CARD (Micro SD) as an internal RAM memory????
is there anyway we can do that based on any regular Computer, we can use the outter flash memory card as RAM!
could that be possible on the PPC such as the Kaiser?
Why?
Ninlour said:
I was wondering the other day that WHAT IF WE CAN USE THE EXTERNAL MEMORY CARD (Micro SD) as an internal RAM memory????
is there anyway we can do that based on any regular Computer, we can use the outter flash memory card as RAM!
could that be possible on the PPC such as the Kaiser?
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What's the point? You are aware that Flash memory as found on a microSD card is far slower than RAM? This would make things run like chilled honey.
Not to mention that the Kaiser has more than enough RAM to start with, so there's really no point.
And yes, I don't even use swap on my desktop PC as I hate the slowdowns. Would be FAR worse on a flash card. Swap means lots of small read/write accesses to the card, which is exactly what they're the worst at.
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Can anyone confirm that I am correct in assuming that the 256k user rom is available to load extra programs and games into without slowing the performance of the device or is it better to load these extra programs onto the SD card.
Thanks
i keeping all stuff except system apps and plugins on memory card, but i think it does not have effect if you load it to device memory.
more needed is system memory and need to keep is as big as possible
Hi,
Device comes with 256Mb rom, but by default, only 130Mb+ is left for user, since the rest are utilized for the core files & OS. If you use the cooked images, u may get around 150+Mb..
Personally, I installed commonly used programs(PocketBreeze/Pocket Informant/etc) into the rom and seldom used/memory consuming programs(Navigator Programs/Games) onto my SD.. In case I need to extract out my SD, my core programs still run..
Just my 3 cents worth.
I don't think anyone has run speed tests yet, but in theory, both the storage ROM and MicroSD slot use Flash, so whichever one uses faster flash will be the best place to put programs. Since most MicroSD cards at this point are pretty slow (especially the larger ones, class 4 and 6), I would guess the Storage ROM MIGHT be slightly faster. If you can find/write a benchmarking program, you could find out for sure.
As long as you don't plan on taking the card out very often, its fine to install applications there, they run just fine.
I personally wouldnt put anything which the device uses constantly (such as today plug ins etc) on the storage card.
I would put things like sat nav on there.
Jozer99 said:
Since most MicroSD cards at this point are pretty slow (especially the larger ones, class 4 and 6), I would guess the Storage ROM MIGHT be slightly faster.
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But newer microSD 4Gb, 6Gb and 8Gb Class 2 & Class 4 are quicker than 2Gb and 1Gb. I have a 2Gb fast microSD for my Hermes, and my new Sandisk 6Gb is more than 4x faster than the older 2Gb.
But you're right, the internal memory is much quick that any microSD and sould be used to install programs more used.
Cheers.
I am currently loading ALL my apps on the main memory now, and only games on the sd card. With the 8525 and the stock at&t rom, I only had 30-35mb to start with. With the Tilt, I start with 115mb with the at&t rom (minus bloatware). I am using programs now I couldn't before, like Voice Command. I still have 75mb left over. That's more than twice what I had on the 8525 to start with. For me I don't see any reason to load to the SD card anymore, except maybe games
Side note: I've noticed some programs would corrupt the data on the SD card when loaded there. Like MS Pocket Streets was one. Spb Backup was another. But yours may vary.
Thanks for the replies, looks like the internal memory is the best option for most programs.
If i insert microSD card into my phone i loose 4.5MB of RAM! If i remove it i get it back. Can anyone else try this and confirm? What could be the reason for that?
4.5MB of RAM because of microSD
I just tried it and what I lose is 0.82MB (that is, 820k) when I plug in the microSD card. I believe what you lose depends on the format of your microSD card. As in normal PC's, every attached drive takes up some RAM, the RAM size depending on the cluster size of the attached drive. MicroSD and other memory cards are generally factory-formatted to FAT. This is inefficient. As a rule, I always reformat my memory cards to FAT32 before using them. This drastically reduces the cluster size and so makes storage more efficient.
I just tried what you said. After i format my microSD (2GB SanDisk) to FAT32 there is no difference. I still loose 4.5MB.
That's too much!
amaric said:
I just tried what you said. After i format my microSD (2GB SanDisk) to FAT32 there is no difference. I still loose 4.5MB.
That's too much!
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Did you restart the device after reformating the microSD card?
Yes, i did. I even tried other microSD card (128MB), it's the same.
16MB of free RAM is way to little! And to loose more than 25% of that just by inserting memory card is unbelievable!
do you have the phone set to dump anything onto the card or just as raw storage? something from the factory might be set to check the card, that is definately a new one.
Pictures from camera are stored on my storage card by default if that's what you mean.
amaric said:
Yes, i did. I even tried other microSD card (128MB), it's the same.
16MB of free RAM is way to little! And to loose more than 25% of that just by inserting memory card is unbelievable!
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I must say this is an unusual problem. What brand of microSD card do you have? Does it have an auto-encryption/decryption which runs immediately the card is inserted?
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I must say this is an unusual problem. What brand of microSD card do you have? Does it have an auto-encryption/decryption which runs immediately the card is inserted?
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SanDisk Ultra II 2GB. I don't know about an auto-encryption/decryption.
amaric said:
SanDisk Ultra II 2GB. I don't know about an auto-encryption/decryption.
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Hmm I could see it being the higher speeds that the ultra touts that the phone might not be able to handle? Sounds weird and un likely but this is a very weird issue. However if your other card wasnt Ultra II then that nerfs that idea.
It could be a defect in the hardware itself.
I tried to hard reset my phone and then when i insert microSD card i loose around 850kb. So, it must be some application that's causing this. I'll have to uninstall one by one application to figure it out which one is it.
Problem solved...HKLM\System\StorageManager\FATFS\EnableCache - set to 0 !
What about cachesize value? mine is set to 0 so it shouldn't eat ram.
playerkiller said:
What about cachesize value? mine is set to 0 so it shouldn't eat ram.
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I am not sure, mine is set to 8192.
It's not just the SD card.
Also the SIM card, When I removed my SIM card and booted the phone it was more responsive and I failed to get the Out of memory error (launching IE, all sorts of apps, and the camera) wich I consistently got with the sim card inserted.
What confused me is as following:
In the setting\system\device information\hardware tab(tranlated from chinese), it show up the RAM size is 256MB and the Flash ROM size is 512MB, and the storage memory is 279.09MB.
in the setting\system\memory\main memory tab, it show up there are 279.09MB storage memory(ROM) totally and 183.60 MB program memory(RAM) totally.
Why this will happened? The ROM of the Rhodium consume 232.91MB Flash ROM(512-279.09=232.91)? Is it so big? And how about the RAM?
Is there any chance for me to upgrade the ROM and RAM to bigger size in some kind of phone repair shop?
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Is there any chance for me to upgrade the ROM and RAM to bigger size in some kind of phone repair shop?
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as long as the phone does not run out of memory everything is fine. so why you want to have more ram?
mastermarv said:
as long as the phone does not run out of memory everything is fine. so why you want to have more ram?
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I like to put everything into the phone bringing with me everywhere, including all kind of software and all kind of materials, photo,music, e-book, home video etc.
if the ROM and RAM are not big enough, I will always be worried about them when install software or copy materials. Even it still does not run out off memory, but I do worry about it all the time.
although it can be expanded by TF card, however, many software can't run on TF card and the read/write speed of the TF card is slower than the main memory.
If the main memory is big enough, I can install all of the software into main memory and copy all of the materials into TF card. At that condition, I can easily change TF card to get anymore new contents.
My last device is O2 flame, I do feel comfortable with its big Flash ROM but its RAM still too small and also many other shortcoming.
I ever think of N97 for the built in 32G memory, however, I am used to WM system.
I ever think of samsung i908 for the built in 8G memory, however there is several week points in its specification.
I do not understand why HTC build in so small memory in such a highend model while its competitor,such as Apple,Nokia,Sumsung, are goint toward another way.
get a 8GB memory card, should be enough, and install everything in your memory card. That's what I do, and everything is fine.
Be sure, tho, to install important programs, like drivers, softwares like skins, etc to your device, since the memory card initializes late on boot.
All in all, you should not have any problems even tough the rom is huge. mine is still fast and fancy since day 1, and I have my 8GB nearly full of s***.
creiz said:
get a 8GB memory card, should be enough, and install everything in your memory card. That's what I do, and everything is fine.
Be sure, tho, to install important programs, like drivers, softwares like skins, etc to your device, since the memory card initializes late on boot.
All in all, you should not have any problems even tough the rom is huge. mine is still fast and fancy since day 1, and I have my 8GB nearly full of s***.
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I got a 8GB TF card too and it's now in my device.
However, I have to install some software into the card. Then when I change another card for multi-media contents, those software become unuseable. This is not comfortable for using experience.
What I can't understand is why not built in more memory for user's convenience since it's known the ROM and OS occupied so much memory.
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I got a 8GB TF card too and it's now in my device.
However, I have to install some software into the card. Then when I change another card for multi-media contents, those software become unuseable. This is not comfortable for using experience.
What I can't understand is why not built in more memory for user's convenience since it's known the ROM and OS occupied so much memory.
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perhaps you could have the programs installed into the same directory on different SD cards so when swapping them for Media purposes you do not break the program.
just a thought, never tried it. i can fit everything i want on a 16GB card..
It is a tricky question to ask but I would like an answer if it is possible to be done.
My Acer Liquid E runs a generic 2.2 Rom. But after the flash I noticed that there is only 70mb left for the phone to use regardless of the 32gb microsd card. As time goes by I now have 40mb left...
Is it possible to use my 32gb microsd card for all the operations/storage? message, pictures, apps and etc.?
I do NOT want the phone to use internal memory for any of the data storage other then the OS.
Thank you so much in advanced and I greatly appreciate all your support and clearance on the issue.
Anyone else have an issue when trying to format an SD Card as Internal Storage? I just got a 128GB Samsung EVO Plus UHC 3 Class 10 SD Card for the purpose of extending the small 64 gb storage on the unit. When its formatted as internal it shows as a 256 GB Card with 132 GB Being used. When i go to app mgr and transfer the apps to SD Card i see the relative increase in space being used on my SD Card however my internal storage space stays just as full, which i believe shouldn't be the case. Anyone else have a similar issue, or know any workarounds to this issue? I do not think its device related as my girlfriends Razerphone 2 is acting the same way with the card i got for her. When we format it as removable storage it shows up correctly as a 128 GB but i dont want to be restricted to media only i dont plan on removing this card from the device.
Any assistance is much appreciated!
Thanks!
I have same issue but know not ofa work around or fix.
Even when you move apps to the SD card, the amount of data moved varies, and you'll still have necessary files on the internal storage. So I doubt you'll ever fully resolve that.
Regarding the idea in general, it's not a good idea to install apps on to the SD card in the first place. They are not designed to handle the amount of data writing that happens with normal app use and can corrupt the card relatively quickly. It's best to leave apps on the internal storage, and just put independent files (photos, videos, documents, etc) on the card.
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Even when you move apps to the SD card, the amount of data moved varies, and you'll still have necessary files on the internal storage. So I doubt you'll ever fully resolve that.
Regarding the idea in general, it's not a good idea to install apps on to the SD card in the first place. They are not designed to handle the amount of data writing that happens with normal app use and can corrupt the card relatively quickly. It's best to leave apps on the internal storage, and just put independent files (photos, videos, documents, etc) on the card.
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Yeah but that isnt quite the issue. I see the gigs of storage space on my SD get used but the space on my internal storage remains exactly the same as it was before i moved as well. I paid extra for the Class 3 card just for better read and write speeds to be usable as internal storage. The 64 gigs on this is too little and id rather not have to redownload apps every time i decide to change a game.
On my previous HTC 10 with Android 8 when i combined my SD as internal it basically combined as a single storage with my internal had just one big storage drive. I didnt have a class 3 card for that one, it definitely slowed things down but was hoping for better results with this faster SD, just now it seems like the feature is broken and not working as intended on this Device model altogether