Hi all,
First of all, let me wish you all a happy 2009
Since a few days my HTC Tytn II freezes sometimes: During several seconds I can't select items using the Stylus.. Even if i tap several times, nothing happens. It usually freezes for 2-3 seconds, not more.
I'm using the 6.1 ROM. I already tried a hard reset, and even without any additional programs installed, the problem occurs every now and then.
Anyone has an idea?
-moose
I've had this happen to me as well, but thought it normal just because of the OS being Windows. Sorry I don't really have an answer I'm learning all this stuff as well but did want to at least acknowledge your not the only one with this as an issue.
ok, but is it exactly what I'm experiencing? It's not always the case, only sometimes.. And I can't tell beforehand when it's going to happen actually.
I don't have lots of programs open when the problem occurs..
Par for the course with HTCs WM 6.1 'upgrade'
I had that problem with the HTC supplied WM 6.1 upgrade ROM (along with general unreliability and poor GPS performance). Reverting back to the WM 6.0 ROM/Radio/SPL seems to have cured those issues. Now the only problem I have is an occasionally laggy keyboard (or if I install the laggy keyboard fix here on xda-dev, then occasional pausing during media such as video and mp3 playback - haven't figured out how to solve both). I suspect your pausing is associated with radio/reception activity. Try turning it to flight mode as a test and see if it still occurs (not that the device is much use like this, but it will pinpoint the cause).
HI,
Thanks for reply. Do you know if there's an official (supported by HTC) way to revert back to the old windows?
I indeed upgraded recently to 6.1, and it seems that problems started after the upgrade.
You could complain and get HTC to do it
moose_man2008 said:
HI,
Thanks for reply. Do you know if there's an official (supported by HTC) way to revert back to the old windows?
I indeed upgraded recently to 6.1, and it seems that problems started after the upgrade.
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If your phone is still under warranty then just speak with the HTC Repair Centre for your area (in the UK they're in Milton Keynes). In my case because the GPS under WM 6.1 wouldn't work properly (and I was having the other problems you described), when I told them I needed a prompt solution they offered to revert it for free. After booking it in through their call centre, I left it with the repair centre in the morning and it was done at the end of that day. No there is no official way to do it yourself (even though one HTC call centre staffmember tried to tell me there was - the RUU package he referred me to was only for upgrading from even older WM 6.0 ROMs or reflashing over the same WM 6.0 setup, not reverting back from WM 6.1). There are unofficial ways as per instructions in the wiki so if you're not near to one of their repair centres (or object to the delay/costs involved with postage), then thats an option but make sure you know what you're doing first.
Assuming you have a European WWE HTC branded TyTN II, the setup in my sig seems to be working pretty well here in the UK.
The cure for this is to use the kaiser unlocker and unlock your phone. You will probably have to re-flash your radio after that but this fixed it for me. I only experienced after upgrading to 6.1.
punkhawaiian said:
The cure for this is to use the kaiser unlocker and unlock your phone. You will probably have to re-flash your radio after that but this fixed it for me. I only experienced after upgrading to 6.1.
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I don't think thats an issue associated with any lock on the phone (although perhaps a lock may make it worse). My HTC branded TyTN II came totally unlocked to start with and after the WM 6.1 upgrade the problems came, after reverting to WM 6.0, they went - the solution seems simple to me if people can get past the 'against the grain thinking' of using an 'old' ROM for greater reliability.
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I don't think thats an issue associated with any lock on the phone (although perhaps a lock may make it worse). My HTC branded TyTN II came totally unlocked to start with and after the WM 6.1 upgrade the problems came, after reverting to WM 6.0, they went - the solution seems simple to me if people can get past the 'against the grain thinking' of using an 'old' ROM for greater reliability.
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I will confirm that this is happening on a HTC Branded unlocked TyTN II. I have had no experience with 6.0 on my TyTN II, as my phone came with 6.1 installed and exhibits the above mentioned behavior.
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Hello again, I have this big problem with my Kaiser :
since I installed the last HTC 6.1 ROM update, my device randomly freezes for 10-20 seconds.
I also noticed that my devices sometimes slow down ...
Does anyone else have this problem ?
The solution : Downgrade to WM6 !
I think I've found where the problem is :
since I stopped using "Quick Menu", the Kaiser does not freeze anymore ...
That means this is another usefull application I will have to stop using with the HTC 6.1 ROM !!!
Sorry but I don't know what is Quick menu...
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Sorry but I don't know what is Quick menu...
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If you don't know it, that means you didn't install it on your Kaiser. So your freeze problems were not coming from this application. Sorry ...
The biggest bug i've been with wm6.1 : my kaiser soft reset alone all the time ! Maybe they're drunk when they're built this rom lol ! They should have write : THE MAGIC FUNNY WM6.1 RELEASE WITH GHOST TOUCH !
I disabled Weather tab and contacts tab with HTC home customizer. It seems to work well now. I will see if problem has really gone. Thank you for your help Dizzy. You gave a direction to my searchs
You're welcome ... But I use HTC home mainly for its contact and weather application ... So it's not a solution for me.
I noticed that orange france users had problems. Perhaps it is linked with our SIM CARD...
do you really need to post two threads on this?
I thought about using HTC's rom, but instead, i used dutty's lite rom, and built it up myself with what i wanted. Its a hell of a,lot faster, i wouldnt touch another oem htc rom ever again, they are full of rubbish, and slow as my old wizard
Finally I discovered that the problem didn't come from "Quick Menu", but from "HTC home" !!!!!
HTC home does slown down my Kaiser and is responsible for randoms freezes of it !
If I disable "HTC home" on the today setup screen, then everything is faster (start menu display ...).
I re-installed Quick-menu and now my Kaiser is working fine.
I will have to replace HTC home by a clone application ...
I haven't had any issues with my Kaiser freezing with the 3.28.405.0 WWE ROM, but then I haven't used ROM that was oficially released by HTC. Instead I've been using the one that was leaked out a couple of days before the official release.
Is it possible that the official ROM image is corrupted in some way? I've noticed this post over in the Kaiser ROM Development forum, which was posted today:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2234850&postcount=356
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Called HTC today.
I'm not the only one having trouble with 6.1. They said in the next two days there will be a "new" version available.
The file we could download now is corrupt and they will upload a non corrupt version. Supposedly the file was corrupt by uploading to ftp server
I think they will release a patched version.
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I've installed the official (English) rom I got from someone in the UK (there is none for TYTN II from Hong Kong being used in the USA as of yet ) and loved the idea that all I had to do is just install ( No hard SPL ) and everything seems fine. I have a lot of apps. installed and everything is fine.
I upgraded to the leaked ROM and have had nothing but Freezing problems !!
I turned off HTC home and this seemed to do the job...for about 12 hours and then wouldnt you know it, its slow again.
I did a hard reset and turned everything off, used Kaiser tweaks to change the cache options and its still not right.
I feel badly let down by this product. I upgraded from a blackberry 8800 which ran like a dream, no problems. I've always been alittle sceptical about Windows Mobile Products. I've owned many PDAs in the past and have always felt that they were always compromised. My Dell Axim X51v was a good PDA but too bulky to carry around. I've always been someone who wasnt bothered by Windows Mobile Devices because of their windows hang ups. Seems I was proved right, though I know this isnt necessarily a Windows thing, more likely a HTC thing....it still doesnt help !
I needed a product that offered, office apps, with internet and the ability to FTP easily at high speeds either over WiFi or 3g. The Vario III had the lot including imense flexability which made me give up my Blackberry (which was a big thing, trust me as I adored my blackberry,,,it was just alittle limited).
After having purchased HTC's almost flagship model I've feel totally let down, they knowingly shipped a product that was flawed and then released a dodgy fix that affectively made the device worse (for some of us!). Freezing all the time. When it wasnt freezing it was a pleasure to use...but seriously, i'm 5 weeks into using it and I'm absolutely pee'd off. I seem to be constantly looking for fixes all the time !! my wife thinks I've become bloody addicted to it, she wont listen when i tell her I'm trying to fix it. it always seems to be in my hand !! (the kaiser that is )
That blackberry of mine is going to be taken out of the box and this paper weight will be used as just that.
gutted man
Ste
You need to remove the HardSPL application from your Kaiser in order to stop the freezes ... Take a look at this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394783
It works ... Guaranteed !
Yes, the HardSPL is your problem, not HTC.
I tried the official htc e-club 6.1 and had lots of freezing issues. It would just freez for 20 seconds or so then start working again. Drove me crazy. I off-loaded it and re-loaded dutty's 6.1 hybrid and am very happy with it. Very stable, no more freezes either. I also reloaded mobile shell and found it to work much better than with the old 6.0. The memory issues, leaks etc. I had with shell on 6.0 seem to have become almost non-existant with this rom. And did I say batt life is heaven . I'm stickin' with what works for now.
I have the problem that Activesync is automatically turned on when I start the phone and it makes alot of problems but when I turn it off it usually solves it - anyone know how to fix this?
cbreze said:
I tried the official htc e-club 6.1 and had lots of freezing issues. It would just freez for 20 seconds or so then start working again. Drove me crazy. I off-loaded it and re-loaded dutty's 6.1 hybrid and am very happy with it. Very stable, no more freezes either. I also reloaded mobile shell and found it to work much better than with the old 6.0. The memory issues, leaks etc. I had with shell on 6.0 seem to have become almost non-existant with this rom. And did I say batt life is heaven . I'm stickin' with what works for now.
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I have the e-club 6.1 and am experiencing the same freezes. Really annoying. I think there is a pattern that when I turn off the phone, the freezes go away.
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I have the problem that Activesync is automatically turned on when I start the phone and it makes alot of problems but when I turn it off it usually solves it - anyone know how to fix this?
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I had a similar issue where Activesync would start running on my phone every so many minutes, when looking in the task manager it would be running. I fixed that by running task manager v2.8 from Fdcsoft you can download it from here http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm with that go to notification and disable replog.exe (AppRunAfterTimeChange). This does not affect active sync working when connecting to a pc or with push email.
Not sure how this has come about but I used to be able to connect to internet really easily through my work laptop when the TyTn II was connected by either Bluetooth or USB. Now I don't seem to be able to connect to either????
When connecting through USB I seem to be able to connect to the PC via 'Internet Sharing' which also lights up the 'Data Connection' icon but when I try to use IE it just says 'Cannot connect using current settings'. Thing is, I haven't changed anything and it used to work fine. Getting a bit fed up with the whole TyTn II at moment as I seem to spend more time fathoming why it's not doing what I want than doing it. Beginning to think a seperate phone/PDA may be best way ahead.
Unsure of whether the problem is related to the official 6.1 upgrade or the install of NoData (as I got fed up with accidentally hitting the weather and Quick GPS refresh and having the phone eat money).
Regardless of what I try I can't seem to get it to connect to internet albeit phone shows as connected via both Bluetooth or USB.
Short of solving this (and I'm not sure where to start) I'm temted to do a reflash and leave out things like No Data etc etc and just see if it works again. Bit of a nuisance really.
Tried searching all manner of related topics but no joy so far
It is a problem with the WM 6.1 official HTC update
I had exactly the same problem in reverse with my TyTN II when it was running the WM 6.1 (the same official HTC ROM that you have). By 'in reverse' I mean I couldn't initially do internet related things on the TyTN II using my home internet (either via USB or Bluetooth connection). It was fine before but after the upgrade thats when the problem occurred. I didn't have any additional software installed apart from Tomtom Navigator 6.032 (HTC Version) so I don't think your NoData install will be to blame (at least not solely). I did manage to get pocket IE working under these circumstances though after I had a fiddle around in the connections tab under settings - or was it Activesyncs settings.... I could never get the automatic Quick GPS updates to occur though, even under those settings and I still had to manually update (although it did use the home internet connection when I did this).
I remember that I changed a drop down selection from something along the lines of this device is connected to 'Auto' to make it 'The Internet'. Sorry for being so vague but I've now reverted to the original WM 6.0 ROM (more precisely I had HTC do it for free under the warranty) and none of the options I'm looking at now ring any bells. Perhaps someone else recalls more clearly what settings change is required.
I think the most important part of your post is:
Empgamer said:
Getting a bit fed up with the whole TyTn II at moment as I seem to spend more time fathoming why it's not doing what I want than doing it.
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Thats how I felt about the HTC upgrade that wasn't. I was quick to go down the upgrade path but since it's been back with WM 6.0 other than a few uncommanded resets in the first day or two which haven't since reoccured, the device is now rock solid again. Of course it'd be nice to think the latest HTC upgrade didn't introduce more problems than were already present but in my experience their current update is more trouble than it's worth (and you haven't even mentioned GPS). If you decide you want it reverted under warranty, I found the HTC Repair Centre (at least here in the UK) to do a fine job of it. I dropped off my phone in the morning, after booking it in over ther phone the day before and it was ready at the end of the same day.
Flying Kiwi said:
If you decide you want it reverted under warranty, I found the HTC Repair Centre (at least here in the UK) to do a fine job of it. I dropped off my phone in the morning, after booking it in over ther phone the day before and it was ready at the end of the same day.
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Or you can always download the original shipped roms here off the wiki and flash it yourself. It only takes about 10 minutes. You dont have to download a special SPL for an OEM rom
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
The spl is an issue - reverting it
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Or you can always download the original shipped roms here off the wiki and flash it yourself.
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I was tempted to do that myself (and even asked HTC for the downgrade file to do so) but there are a couple of issues for those of us that like to keep things 'HTC Official'. A big one for me is that since HTC was responsible for creating the buggy WM 6.1 ROM, they should also accept responsibility for fixing it (fat chance of that, I agree with what -888- wrote in the WM 6.0 vs. WM 6.1 thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432482&page=4 along the lines of the best developers being assigned to the latest and greatest products). If they're not going to fix it, then they should at least revert the device to a reliable state. I was in a fortunate position to be in the area of the HTC Repair Centre but if it means sending the phone away, I understand why some might prefer the DIY option.
It only takes about 10 minutes. You dont have to download a special SPL for an OEM rom
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There's alot to digest about ROM (and Radio and spl) flashing in the wiki and that takes much more than 10 mins. Although a special spl such as hardSPL isn't used with the HTC official setups, the spl does need to be reverted from the 3.28 version with the official WM 6.1 WWE, back to a 1.xx version with WM 6.0 for proper functioning. That isn't just a simple case of running the RUU program like the upgrade to WM 6.1 was - it has to be manually reverted (presumably using something like jumpSPL and the procedure in the wiki for restoring a device for warranty purposes) so it gets more complicated. I was expecting spl version something along the lines of 1.56 on my WM 6.0 setup (to match the ROM numbers) but they installed 1.93, presumably because it was more reliable or offered other performance benifits. Perhaps the ideal spl is in the package already but again this cant just be run like the WM 6.1 upgrade was so there's some jiggery pokery involved
I tend to agree. Not sure why I really bothered with 6.1. One of the first things I did was use Kaiser Tweaks to turn threaded SMS off.
I didn't realise that reverting to WM 6.0 would require more than reflashing so that makes it a little more problematic. I'm not near a HTC Centre. The whole device certainly seems more buggy under 6.1 than it did before and this internet through laptop problem is a nuisance. Being fairly unimpressed with Co-Pilot I don't use GPS that much and, withe the aside that i think I've used the keyboard twice since I had it (another 'essential' I'd put on my list for phone/PDA attributes), I'm beginning to wonder if return to factor state and sell it might not be the better option, reverting to a Nokia E51 and Ipaq 214 Enterprise combination
Post is an option.
Empgamer said:
I'm beginning to wonder if return to factor state and sell it might not be the better option, reverting to a Nokia E51 and Ipaq 214 Enterprise combination
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Of course it's up to you but don't forget that even though you may not be near a HTC Repair Centre, you could still call them up on the phone to make the booking and post the device to them once you've arranged to have it reverted. They should do it for free but confirm this so you don't get any unpleasant surprises.
I have a T-Mobile UK, MDA Vario III and have to say for me personally this is the best "all-rounder" of the MDA Vario phones I've had so far. I also use phoneAlarm v2.10 (latest) to assist in making profiles on the phone easier to switch between.... one gripe though (and I don't know WHY this happens)...
I'm in the middle of writing a text, or even generally using the phone, and it decides to just stop working for about 5 seconds. All screen and keyboard response just stops! Then it kicks back in again. Very annoying!
Does anyone else have this problem, seen it, or even better still, do they have a fix for this? By the way am also using the default WM6 Pro CE OS 5.2.1620 (Build 18125.0.4.2) that came with it from T-Mobile UK.
yeah i have a fix for your problem, which i suffered from too when i had a mda vario III: flash a new rom!
i am currently running duttys wm6 dualtouch v4 and it is so much better than the t-mobile rom. it has fixed so many issues that i had just taken for granted a permanent problems. Trust me it is like buying a newer better phone, but for free!
creed said:
yeah i have a fix for your problem, which i suffered from too when i had a mda vario III: flash a new rom!
i am currently running duttys wm6 dualtouch v4 and it is so much better than the t-mobile rom. it has fixed so many issues that i had just taken for granted a permanent problems. Trust me it is like buying a newer better phone, but for free!
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Really? Sounds good. Let me see where I can get this from and see the issues. Are there any issue with duttys though? (he says being the old sceptic).
And most importantly what's the battery life like? I got rid of "HTC Home" which chomped battery power like crazy, even using just GSM and not HSDPA.
There were no big issues for me. One thing I did have a problem with was I didn't hard reset the device after flashing the new ROM. This caused a few problems. Once I had done this they went away. The device is alot quicker. One issue I have found is that I can't change the cube icons. A little gripe but no other problems with this ROM otherwise.
Hi bennyb0y,
I had the same problem on this machine. I eventually tracked down my problem to the BBC 24 custom template I was using with Spb Traveler for weather - it was using most of the cpu time! Solution - use another template.
Regards,
Paul
I had the same problem with my vario III and the best thing I've done to date with it was to update to Sleuths ROM. It's damn fast, not buggy, doesn't crash, has all the features you could want and the best thing is, it was so simple to do. Just read the wiki to unlock etc, then follow Sleuths easy instructions. The ROM is called someting like "so many ROMS so little time" V3.0 (or somthing like that).
It does what it says on the tin.
Hello,
I flashed a T-Mobile MDA Vario III with HTC latest official rom (WM 6.1) and now screen rotation on slide out / in is much slower. Sometimes it takes up to 4 seconds.
Any ideas?
Best Regards,
Craig Brass
I can't really point to a solution with the ROM you're using; in fact I'd be willing to guess that it's just a side-effect of that particular ROM - I don't imagine the Radio ROM in your device not being best-suited for the OS ROM would deliver slow screen rotation as a side-effect.
All I can say is that I recently flashed to AthineOS and EVERYTHING is quick on it. Screen rotation when sliding occurs within a second I'd say - it might be slightly over a second, I haven't timed it, but either way it's very quick, and quicker than the T-Mobile WM6.0 ROM...
Anyway, hope you get it sorted... Let us know if you find a solution for your current ROM.
Regards,
Rob.
T-Mobile considerations
I seem to recall HTCs fix for this in their HTC Branded WM 6.1 'upgrade' involved more than just the ROM but if the radio and spl are going to be upgraded as well, people need to make sure there are backups of the originals first because in some countries (and Craig didn't say where he's from or fill in that part of his profile), T-Mobile use customised versions and special network configuration. Perhaps a T-Mobile customer can comment whats reqd from experience? I haven't tried searching but I suspect that'd pull something relevant up as well.
Ok, I flashed with AthineOS as suggested. Nearly perfect. Couple of things :-
1. I flashed the official dialer for the voice calling. Before, when launched, it would show Contacts as the left button. Now it shows Hide Keypad. How do I get it to show Contacts again?
2. TouchFlo 3D shows the calender list but when clicked it launches the default phone calender app. I have Developer One Agenda One Installed and I want it to launch this. How do I do that?
Hi everybody, i am new here and i need a little help on my Tytn II
So, i got a tytn II from orange but i was a little bit dissapointed by wm 6.0 which came on the device(slow drivers and so on) and put a wm 6.1 rom with hardspl(RUU_Kaiser_HTC_WWE_3.28.405.0_radio_sign_25.83.40.02_1.65.17.56_Ship)
Science then (and maybe also with 6.0) but i am not shure, i am experiencing some cpu hangs for few second from time to time. Most of the time it's after it returns from Stand By mode. It works fine for a few seconds than PAFF! hangs for a couple of seconds(touchflo not working). it's not the flo because also if i move some cursors with the keys from the phone it is still blocked. After a while it is stable but from time to time still hangs. I am so nervous because i keep pressing the tochflo and nothing happends.
I also tried this manila rom(it is currently installed) L26_KaiserTouch_V1M2D.rar with updates and still the same thing. I have tried to kill all the processes from the memory with celetask but again no feedback. Even turn off the radio by switching to airplane mode. What do you advise me to do? should i switch back to wm 6.0 which i hate? can i find another rom which works? why is the cpu hanging?
Thanks alot. I like the phone, it's cool, but this slowing it's drivin' me nuts!!
plase move this to kaizer general, i dind't see it(or is it a rom prolem?)
Hi!
I also have this problem. It happens with the original 6.0 Rom as well as with the 6.1 Rom from the HTC Website. Sometimes it works for days without an issue. Other days it freezes frequently for a few seconds.
Also, everybody else I know, who have the HTC Kaiser, have this issue.
I noticed that the dimming of screen works even when it is "frozen". Also the on/off button always works. So it is not really freezing but something else is going on?!
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I also have this problem. It happens with the original 6.0 Rom as well as with the 6.1 Rom from the HTC Website.
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I don't get pausing with the ROM/RADIO/SPL in my sig (HTC not Orange branded) but certainly the UK released HTC WM 6.1 ROM had the pausing bug. The OP is right in that WM 6.0 is slower than 6.1 but the setup I'm running is really very reliable when compared to WM 6.1. If the wrong SPL (or hardSPL in this case) is being used for the version of Windows Mobile (1.xx for WM 6.0 and 3.xx for WM 6.1), this will also exacerbate any pausing. SPL 1.93 was put on my phone by HTC when they reverted from WM 6.1 so if anyone is getting pausing under WM 6.0, maybe that SPL will fix things.
Hi,
I'm having the same problem as described above.
Anyone knows a solution for this?
I'm using WM 6.1 and my phone IS NOT locked at all...
Thanks in advance!
Sam
Sounds like a well known issue with a well known fix. Do you have the right HardSPL?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2261226&postcount=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=498320
Hi,
Thanks for your reply!
I flashed my "HardSPL"...
I hope now it does the trick!
Thanks again!
Sam