Hi,
So I was thinking, is it possible with some driver may be to make a virtual copy of a physical SIM card, possibly copy 3-4 cards and make the phone work in multi-card mode without the need of SIM cards being physically present?
now that would be nice, a great idea, im pretty sure someone could make something like this since like other phones like sprint dont have a sim card sometimes are programed directly to the phone maybe its the same prosses.
also would make it easier for many like me that have 2 or more sim cards i myself have a T-Mobile (US) and Movistar (Mex.) sim cards and its a bother to have to change them when visiting like right now im in Mexico at the moment.
but it also would bring up another problem to have something like that.
for example someone gets your sim card (if you dont know anything about such program and if made) and someone with mischeif on their minds saves your sim information and uses it as they please. (then again. its just like stealing your phone, you would call your provider and disactivate it so no further charges would apply the second you knew that something was up. its just harder to know since you would have to wait till the bill comes in)
but if at all possible i would use it for good. would be nice
tombrighteyes said:
now that would be nice, a great idea, im pretty sure someone could make something like this since like other phones like sprint dont have a sim card sometimes are programed directly to the phone maybe its the same prosses.
also would make it easier for many like me that have 2 or more sim cards i myself have a T-Mobile (US) and Movistar (Mex.) sim cards and its a bother to have to change them when visiting like right now im in Mexico at the moment.
but it also would bring up another problem to have something like that.
for example someone gets your sim card (if you dont know anything about such program and if made) and someone with mischeif on their minds saves your sim information and uses it as they please. (then again. its just like stealing your phone, you would call your provider and disactivate it so no further charges would apply the second you knew that something was up. its just harder to know since you would have to wait till the bill comes in)
but if at all possible i would use it for good. would be nice
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Indeed, i hope it is possible. I dont think theft would be any problem at all, because the gsm network should not accept simultaneous login from the same SIM card. It just makes sense to be this way. I myself have to use up to 5 cards and growing. Ultimately, virtual SIM cards would also enable purchasing cards from the internet and also cheapest route selection, things like this..
point made.
you have a point.
i forgot about the network not allowing you to have two at the same time.
but yeah then again, it shouldn't be much of a problem i think. 5 cards is alot.
but you're right if such a program where made, it would open the market so mucho more and one could actually buy online sim card info. and if this program where made, one could save the info to the phone then back it up to a computer (where it's safe, most of the time atleast) and maybe the same program could write back to a sim card thats not activated (for purposes just as loosing a sim card, but not the info.) now there's an idea for ya.
would be super nice!
too bad i have no clue on how to program such things, but ideas i have
if anyone takes the challenge to create it, if at all possible i would gladly donate since i would use it surely.
Possible, but..
It's possible if you have the Ki and IMSI values from your SIM. The IMSI is easy, but cracking the Ki is only possible in old SIM cards, using COMP128-1 encryption.
All the SIM cloning tools on eBay can clone only these old cards.
A virtual sim card is a really cool idea. No more swapping sim cards between you primairy phone and your backup phone... (I only have only one sim)
kolomparrudi said:
It's possible if you have the Ki and IMSI values from your SIM. The IMSI is easy, but cracking the Ki is only possible in old SIM cards, using COMP128-1 encryption.
All the SIM cloning tools on eBay can clone only these old cards.
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IMSI can be be read with an nokia e51 using the blackberry connect softwre. you can see the imsi value in the programe info where you must enter to view you PIN.
emilgaig said:
IMSI can be be read with an nokia e51 using the blackberry connect softwre. you can see the imsi value in the programe info where you must enter to view you PIN.
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No they give you the IMEI number not the IMSI.
The problem you would have is that sooner or later the networks would block your phone because they will see the fact that your phone is running 4-5 mobile numbers with ONE IMEI no. Ebay is littered with Cheap dual active SIM phones. They only have one IMEI and sooner or later the network(s) will switch off your phone.
The way round this is to have 2 IMEI numbers to run 2 sim cards at the same time...abit like the Samsung D880. This basically means you have 2 phones with 1 screen and 1 keypad...i have one and i know these work great!!.
Regards
Wasim
The will not block you for changin sims, right?
And also GSM won't allow you to register simulteniously two sims, only one at a time...
Cos TD has only ONE GSM inside, not two as Samsung DuoS
What the progress of the topic, people?
I certainly hope this is not possible. I wouldn't want to know anyone can copy and use my simcard. That would be an unacceptable breach of security for any mobile phone user.
This might be a good breach, and it exists, just need a tool to use it with windows mobile! I can even now COPY MY SIM to another sim, yes - it's need a liitle crack with it, but card itself intact, and i can have a copy
So - What are solutions now for windows mobile?
i really like to know if it is possible. but i dont think an emulator is a must because in ppc we can easly turn off the cellular connection and turn it on again. that way (if you've used old 3in1 sim cards, you'd know) you can change the operator. every time you restarted the gsm connection, your operator will change.
and what about connecting to more-than-one operator at the same time?
cheers
and what about connecting to more-than-one operator at the same time?
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that function is not possible (c) Thor, Stargate SG-1
pedmond said:
I certainly hope this is not possible. I wouldn't want to know anyone can copy and use my simcard. That would be an unacceptable breach of security for any mobile phone user.
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I am in Saudi & have 3 sim cards(STC) with the same number. One in my laptop, One in my Samsung, one in my Diamond. All work for internet at the same time to use for phone I activate by *123$ (this is then primary card for incoming & texts). When in Spain I have 2 cards(Movistar) both of these work & ring at the same time, but text messages only goes to one of them.
Virtual Sim Card
hello ladies and gentleman this is a very good idea i was thinking about the same idea today... In the virtual sim card there should be a tracking device installed in the phone so that when it is stolen you can track down the phone or the company can switch of the phone and it will have no use and all your data is safe... I am all the way in africa Botswana and my name is delmar dube i am willing to do more research on this because i want to see it come true
I would be surprised if this was possible... the GSM chipset firmware is pretty much sealed off from a phone's operating system except for the AT command interface. Otherwise people would be able to fiddle with transmit power which would invalidate the phone's FCC/etc certifications.
Any progress??
Heyy like most on this forum thread I just thought of this last night, I have an unlimited plan with Wind Mobile (who's coverage is um.... not great) with Unlimited internet and talking and texting for $29/mo. Unfortunately I spend the majority of my time outside their current coverage area, and would like to get one of Telus' "One Number Unlimited" voice plan ($7/mo) for when I'm outside of Wind's area but still want to call my girlfriend. Virutal Switchable SIM cards would be a great solution since my phone doesn't exactly like to co-operate with me when I try to turn it on after having the battery removed to get access to the SIM slot. Plus I don't want to be carrying around a little tiny piece of plastic that'll give me chaos if I ever lost it.
Anyways I'm running a Samsung Galaxy Exhibit 4g (4g is the name of the phone, it's just LTE of 3G though), It's running ICS 4.*something.
Oh yeah, sorry for being a grave-digger
I love this idea. I mean apple now has patents for virtual simcards, I really hope the android market follows suit. I have 6 sim cards and counting (Afghanistan, Switzerland, United States, Korea, Philippines, and UAE), and would love to be able to purchase and activate my "virtual sim card" off of say the Google Play Store, prior to flying into a country.
I wouldn't mind some kind of DRM or whatnot, just being able to buy service before I go into country, and then have calling and data capabilities as soon as I walk off the plane would be worth it.
I have a korean Galaxy S2, which has the sim tray damaged, being impossible to connect any SIM card.
If I could use virtually my SIM card, I coud use this phone.
Is this possible??
I just wanted to use one SIM card just for phone calls, dont even need services like internet...
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Just got my Kaiser, lovely boxing, lovely phone but I've had a little unpleasant surprise - I've entered SIM card while phone was already on. In result Kaiser have just crashed - I mean switched off itself. Anyone else noticed similar trouble? Does it mean there is still need to switch the phone off before changing SIMs?
Anyway, going to explore Kaiser.
its not a crash, its just what it does from what I have read, so i guess its just not "hot swapable"
y2whisper said:
its not a crash, its just what it does from what I have read, so i guess its just not "hot swapable"
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It seems like - switching off occurs in the exact moment of unlocking SIM card cover... Well, shame - SIM hotswapping would be really cool
SIM card hot swapping is really bad. I work at a Operator and you don't want to know what kind of network trouble this can bring.
I've also had the Kaiser for a couple weeks now, and yes, it is supposed to shut down when you open the SIM cover. It's just for your own protection, you can even break your SIM if you remove it while the device is on (and, has a electric current flowing to the SIM).
thats what many design work are done to prevent users from doing things dangerously. If you've noticed, that all phones SIM cards are hidden under the battery and/or blocked by the battery in one way or the other. That's to force user to shut down the phone before doing anything with it. I'm sure that's for the protection of the SIM and/or not making a mess on the telco system, which may heavily affect the phones popularity
Not true. Another HTC handset with easy access to SIM card slot locatyed under slide out keyboard:
HTC VOX
also:
HTC TOUCH - side access to SIM card
hanmin said:
thats what many design work are done to prevent users from doing things dangerously. If you've noticed, that all phones SIM cards are hidden under the battery and/or blocked by the battery in one way or the other. That's to force user to shut down the phone before doing anything with it. I'm sure that's for the protection of the SIM and/or not making a mess on the telco system, which may heavily affect the phones popularity
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eva_d said:
Just got my Kaiser, lovely boxing, lovely phone but I've had a little unpleasant surprise - I've entered SIM card while phone was already on. In result Kaiser have just crashed - I mean switched off itself. Anyone else noticed similar trouble? Does it mean there is still need to switch the phone off before changing SIMs?
Anyway, going to explore Kaiser.
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It's actually in the manual. Page 24 section 1.2
Always turn off your device before installing/replacing the USIM/SIM card and battery.
Cheers.
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Not true. Another HTC handset with easy access to SIM card slot locatyed under slide out keyboard:
HTC VOX
also:
HTC TOUCH - side access to SIM card
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Interesting.. I'd guess I'm at the old age. I did a bit of research, it seems that THERE ARE phones out there that can have hot-swap SIM. This is news. From Nokia N93 review
The hot-swap SIM slot is a very good solution, especially for users having more than one SIM. It allows you to exchange SIM cards without the necessity to switch off the phone and remove the battery. It is enough to switch phone in offline mode while changing card. At least it should work and it works on N90 just fine but on N93 with the current firmware version it is impossible to remove the SIM card even in offline mode because it causes prompt freezing.
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Redah said:
SIM card hot swapping is really bad. I work at a Operator and you don't want to know what kind of network trouble this can bring.
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Such as? Hotswapping SIM card from network's point of view looks exactly the same as removing battery without actually switching off the phone, as many people do. In such case network get no notification (IMSI detach) at all about switch off, and the only 'trouble' is network still 'thinks' that user is reachable until the next PLU (Periodic Location Update) or call attempt..
Well explained article on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI_detach
Redah said:
I've also had the Kaiser for a couple weeks now, and yes, it is supposed to shut down when you open the SIM cover. It's just for your own protection, you can even break your SIM if you remove it while the device is on (and, has a electric current flowing to the SIM).
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That's reasonable explanation. I have never got SIM card damaged, but I'd rather prefer not to experience it in future. In fact, my the very first SIM card I have *ever* had is already over 8 years old and still works perfect.
http://www.simore.ch/en/mobile_phone_accessory/HTC/P4550.html
any1 tested?
I want too, but i want to be sure the today plugin is working correctly
Also if you are roaming, will it switch automaticly ? Or do you need to manually switch provider?
wow that looks pretty good...
i am really interested too....
i think it switches automaticly.
anybody?? this sound really good
Word of advice, while I've been investigating various dual/multi-SIM solutions available on the net, it's become apparant that many of these are quite "fishy". I.e. they don't work as advertised. A lot of issues especially with the newer 3G-SIMs. When it comes down to Simone, they are incredibly expensive and also get quite some pepper on various forums. Don't be fooled by a fancy website
If you absolutely do want to test out a dual-sim solution its probably better to risk a way cheaper solution from e-bay as it seems its mostly the same one or two producers behind most of these products, just sold by many different people/resellers.
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i have used the dual sim adapter without succes. it seems that cutting the original sims has to be done very acurate which i did but no results. Also a lot of pressure has to be aplied on the sims/apapter for good contact otherwise it would work.
may be in near futere i would like to try a non-cut version.
cheers, Steven
There is another way to do this : instead of inserting two, cut, sim cards, you just insert one sim card but programmed with two different sim cards.
I made a thread about this, I just wanted to know if anyone had experience in that : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349410
This sim card programmer can be found here :
http://www.duosim.com/supersim.html
As it's not very expensive, it could be interesting to test it.
dizzy33 said:
There is another way to do this : instead of inserting two, cut, sim cards, you just insert one sim card but programmed with two different sim cards.
I made a thread about this, I just wanted to know if anyone had experience in that : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=349410
This sim card programmer can be found here :
http://www.duosim.com/supersim.html
As it's not very expensive, it could be interesting to test it.
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The problem with this thing is that it cannot backup the newer SIMs. I tried this with my Cingular 3GSM SIM and it would not work. It only works with older SIMS. So if you have two older SIMs you could be in business.
Steven13 said:
i have used the dual sim adapter without succes. it seems that cutting the original sims has to be done very acurate which i did but no results. Also a lot of pressure has to be aplied on the sims/apapter for good contact otherwise it would work.
may be in near futere i would like to try a non-cut version.
cheers, Steven
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so you have used the one advertised above?
I am using Simore card in my Kaiser for 2 months now...
FYI, Simore cards do not support 3G protocols: I had problems with it (freezes, no access to 3G or 3G+) and phoned Simore company and they confirmed it. I can only use Edge as the best protocol available for data.
For avoiding any problem of freezing, you need to set in the "band" index of the phone parameter menu the type of network you use (GSM or CDMA) instead of leaving the default "automatic" choice. You can leave "auto" for "GSM /UMTS" Band parameter (even though Simore told me to set the first choice: "GSM (900+1800)+UMTS (2100)"...)
moderateinny said:
The problem with this thing is that it cannot backup the newer SIMs. I tried this with my Cingular 3GSM SIM and it would not work. It only works with older SIMS. So if you have two older SIMs you could be in business.
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This is true. It is not yet possible to copy a 3g sim. Someday the code in the sim will be cracked though.
laubet said:
I am using Simore card in my Kaiser for 2 months now...
FYI, Simore cards do not support 3G protocols: I had problems with it (freezes, no access to 3G or 3G+) and phoned Simore company and they confirmed it. I can only use Edge as the best protocol available for data.
For avoiding any problem of freezing, you need to set in the "band" index of the phone parameter menu the type of network you use (GSM or CDMA) instead of leaving the default "automatic" choice. You can leave "auto" for "GSM /UMTS" Band parameter (even though Simore told me to set the first choice: "GSM (900+1800)+UMTS (2100)"...)
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Hi there,
would like to ask you several quick questions:
1. are you mounting two GSM SIM-cards on your SIMore?
2. are you using "SIMore Gold #1" model for the adapter?
please advise (laubet / anyone that has tried it before).
thanks for the reply.
kaiser wrking with gold simore 1
I finall figured out how to get this dual sim card to work. You need to first manually switch the network. For me its T-mobile and AT+T. Once you manually choose the network, then use the sim program to choose the appropriate sim card. For some reason automatic selection of network does not work. Any other way hangs card, or makes network unavailable.
Hi Guys,
My Kaiser arriving tomoz to replace aging m3100 (Orange TTyN), but as I share a business contract and need the Kaiser, we have needed to switch Sims on our phones, hence I only have a none-3g sim for my kaiser.
Question is thus;
Do I need it to be a 3G sim to use HSPDA? I understand HSPDA is 3g 1.5 or something, but wanted to clarify the issue.
If no good, how can I get a 3g sim into the phone but retain the number? Orange don't want to play ball, as I have suggested they can 'upgrade' the Sim with new code etc.? ( yes, a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.. )
Any help and advice would be much appreciated..
Cheers
I phoned orange they sent new 3G sim two days ago though mine was on PAYG.
My old sim only got GPRS.
The new sim has a number to phone to register it. Follow the prompts...The rep will ask you for the new sim card number and apply it to your phone.
After you put the new sim card in you'll get a text telling you to switch the phone off then on... then presto HSDPA
Make sure you specify that you want a 3G sim card else they'll try and send you a normal one
Yeah I dont follow at all...
Orange are anal about sim's with devices. You should register the new sim you get with your device and they will change it to your old number within a few hours.
I'm running a Kaiser on T-Mobile and I get HSPDA whenever its available. I don't have 3G service so I think you should get the max Data connection available when its available.
Thanks for tips Guys !
As I have found on other parts of these forums, plenty of great advice given quickly ! Cheers
Just to get this straight, as its a business phone and I cant screw it or lose my number...
Problem is, as I swapped phones with my Bro who I work with, there is already a phone using the number provided on the new sim... So I cant register the new sim.
Orange are ANAL about their sims, and ANAL about removing TouchFlo (Grrr) bunch of ANAL freaks if you ask me..
Anyhoo,
Could I register the sim, and give MY number, and they will register to that number? Orange Bod says there is NOTHING that can be done, NO WY to solve the situation, but you guys are so much smarter than them...
Keep it coming ! Is it poss. to re-code the sim to 3g using a simcard reader? should I find out where Head orange guy lives and shake him warmly by the throat?
Is unlocking my tilt the only way to get my old contacts off my sprint sim card?
Or, is there a device that will actually work and let me simply copy them over?
Frrrrrrunkis said:
Is unlocking my tilt the only way to get my old contacts off my sprint sim card?
Or, is there a device that will actually work and let me simply copy them over?
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Google is your friend and being this is your first post here ill be nice .......
http://www.dekart.com/products/hardware/sim_card_reader/
That should get you started. Also, does your old sprint phone have a sync cable or bluetooth? you could transfer the contacts by syncing it to the computer first then back to the Tilt . . . . .
LOL thank you for being nice....... Google IS my friend
Yeah I tried that already but sadly, its a Nextel phone not even a sprint so It uses that crappy IDEN stuff......It created a backup of my contacts as a text document, but I couldn't get Outlook to import the file into the contacts.......correctly. I wanted to possibly, sim unlock, then just put the old sim in, copy the sim contacts to the tilt, then take it out and put my ATT sim back in
When your device isnt unlocked you cant use the other sim card. when its unlocked you can. And this is how you can swap contacts.........Go to programs --> sim manager. I think that will solve your problem.
WIM26
He already knows unlocking will let him use the sim. His question was is there any way OTHER than unlocking to do this. Frrrrrrunkis What format did it export the file as? Am i to understand youre able to read the contacts using the document? You could always make an XML spreadsheet and copy/paste into the appropriate fields ( business , cell , home , Name, ect ) then try to import the contacts int outlook ......
LMAO!! Thank you all for your help. And now for a little shameful self-bashing!!!
Google is my friend!!!! I did a little digging and found a firmware update for my old Motorola I870, hooked it up to the PC Via USB cable and it updated the phone. Once that happened I was able to send my contacts via bluetooth to my new toy, the Tilt. I still want to get it unlocked though and will probably call that number I saw posted on here somewhere.
I assume of course, that the sim unlock is a diffrent one than the CID unlock(if I am reading previous posts correctly)
Yes SIM and CID unlock are two different things.
Just an FYI to anyone who is also looking to do this. Best Buy Mobile offers free phonebook transfers even if you don't buy anything. They have a tool that can read from old phones and/or SIM cards and transfer the contacts to just about anything.
And a second FYI... Sprint and Verizon do not use SIM cards.
NotATreoFan said:
And a second FYI... Sprint and Verizon do not use SIM cards.
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He probably meant had an old Sprint/Nextel phone which actually do use SIM cards on the iDEN network.
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He probably meant had an old Sprint/Nextel phone which actually do use SIM cards on the iDEN network.
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Eeewww. Not since I threw my i95 under a bus like 6 years ago have I thought about that revolting network.
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Eeewww. Not since I threw my i95 under a bus like 6 years ago have I thought about that revolting network.
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Well, sadly my job still uses them, but now I get a company supplied cheapo instead of paying out of pocket for it................so I got me the Tilt!
I was trying to find a good rate for a flatrate AND telephone costs - but somehow either on or the other sucks for me. I heard of phones which have dual sim, but the Galaxy has only one slot, so an idea came up:
Would it be somehow possible to backup a sim card and simulate it much like cdrom drives etc can be simulated on a pc? Possibly not I guess since it is read by hardware and all that stuff is hardwired, but I don't really know about this much so I wanted to ask you guys who know alot about the internals of the phones.
Its just a crazy idea ... it would probably not be "allowed" either but I'm just interested =)
the galaxy s has a setting that i noticed before it says ''dual sim - no'' was in txt document somewhere in system. what you propose would be a major security issue i certainly wouldnt want anyone else to get my cloned sim so such apps should never be made. you can buy a dual sim adapter they even support 3g and are pretty cheap you can take look at few here browse to second item.
http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/dualsim/dualsimcovers.htm
Even if it could be done, it would certainly be illegal. The developer who made this possible will face lawsuits from all the major (and perhaps the smaller one as well) carriers.
This would be great feature/software and not only for illegal things. For example - I have a phone, which has something broken in SIM card reader - it gives me "No Sim card in Phone" whatever SIM I use... So with such software I could make an image of my valid SIM card on another phone and would be able to use it with "half-broken" phone
Unfortunately, this is not possible at the moment and my phone is almost useless