A couple of weeks ago, I returned my Touch HD to get an iPhone instead, but not before I sent a complaint to HTC's customer support about my disappointment in the device's performance. Today I received the following response:
Dear Mr. XXX I would just like to inform you that a new rom update will be available in the future for the Touch HD (1.19). On the new ROM, multimedia features have drastically been improved. Videoclips and films runs smoothly without any lag. I have gotten this feedback from devices that are using the new rom. We are yet to release when the ROM will be available for download. Kind Regards XXX HTC Europe
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I'm sorry if this has been brought up before, but I did a search for 1.19 and got no results, so I figured it was worth posting. Is this news at all? Anyway, I'm sending a response asking what formats "Videoclips and films" refer to.
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This is interesting news. But "videoclips and films" could mean a lot of things -- what containers and formats have had their playback improved or, as you say, run smoothly in the new firmware? Does the media player that ship with the device now support playback of the common divx and xvid formats? Or has support for third-party multimedia software like for example CorePlayer improved? What of the performance of the many 3d accelerated games I've found barely playable on the device?
Thank you kindly for your continued interest in my case.
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Thank you for your reply. I did play a film in fullscreen myself without lag, however this was indeed on a third party player (that you also have mentioned about). Right now, I don't have any further information to give you regarding file formats, codecs etc. I would however recommend you to search online for something like: "Video Playback SDcard Tune up". I'm sure you will find a useful article about video formats etc. HTC does not support or endorse third party software or links, therefore HTC will not supply with recommendations of useful third party solutions. I will get back to you if I get more information regarding 3D acceleration and future updated. Kind Regards XXX HTC Europe
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Guess not much has been conirmed. Don't know if there's any point to keep pushing. Let's hope he updates me about the 3d acceleration though
good news, but I'm a bit suspecious
I think there comes new ROM because Qualcomm bought that AMD section which owned rights for that 3D graphic chip which Qualcomm didnt have rights to use before now.
So I think they ATLAST make proper 3D driver and HW acceleration.
if you could be right, that would be just awesome !
hmmm ... maybe is the WWE_1.19.831.0 that some cookers use??
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hmmm ... maybe is the WWE_1.19.831.0 that some cookers use??
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My Touch HD bought in HK already shipped with 1.19 ROM (CSL) but i didn't found there is any special comparing with my old XPERIA X1.
Yeah this Hongkong-English Rom is already a month published and maybe there will spread a newer version. I would be happy, if there improve some things, like Video Playing, atm i have so 20 fps in average in a divx film, which is still already ok, but for the human eye 25fps would be better!
MfG Rayzer HD
Rayzer HD said:
Yeah this Hongkong-English Rom is already a month published and maybe there will spread a newer version. I would be happy, if there improve some things, like Video Playing, atm i have so 20 fps in average in a divx film, which is still already ok, but for the human eye 25fps would be better!
MfG Rayzer HD
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you can change this with an registry modification to 25fps video capturing .. just search the hints and tweak section (i think there is a tweak there..)
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you can change this with an registry modification to 25fps video capturing .. just search the hints and tweak section (i think there is a tweak there..)
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No i did speak of a coreplayer benchmark result of a divx film and there i can only change the film, yeah i know but i dont want it at every video...^^
But this is not only a playing video thread so stop...
MfG Robert
oh sorry, i misunderstood it.. i thought you meant a video which you take with the blackstone. Sorry!
Hahaha, this means that this particular dude from HTC also browses the XDA forums for his tweaks... Sad actually.
I don't expect anything from HTC anymore, just that they don't know how to make iPhone killers and charge too much for their devices.
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you can change this with an registry modification to 25fps video capturing .. just search the hints and tweak section (i think there is a tweak there..)
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I don't see any.. can you post the link for the thread??
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Camera\
Recparam\AVILarge
Should be somewhere there in Registry, just change 15 to 25 (not more..)
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Hahaha, this means that this particular dude from HTC also browses the XDA forums for his tweaks... Sad actually.
I don't expect anything from HTC anymore, just that they don't know how to make iPhone killers and charge too much for their devices.
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So do I. They don't even manage to make the HD work with BT hands-free kits...
Lazy79 said:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Camera\
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Should be somewhere there in Registry, just change 15 to 25 (not more..)
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Hmm... with 25 applied after recording a video, when playing that video the orientation of that video is reversed from the recording orientation that was made.
I reverted to 15 and now everything is ok again.
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Hahaha, this means that this particular dude from HTC also browses the XDA forums for his tweaks... Sad actually.
I don't expect anything from HTC anymore, just that they don't know how to make iPhone killers and charge too much for their devices.
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hey neo! i'm glad you responded, i was just about to pm you so you dont think too much of this 'new development'??
jessew
Nah, not really. If we want new shiny stuff on our devices, we should support the community in any way we can. That's where the good stuff comes from.
Thank you for your reply. I did play a film in fullscreen myself without lag, however this was indeed on a third party player (that you also have mentioned about). Right now, I don't have any further information to give you regarding file formats, codecs etc. I would however recommend you to search online for something like: "Video Playback SDcard Tune up". I'm sure you will find a useful article about video formats etc. HTC does not support or endorse third party software or links, therefore HTC will not supply with recommendations of useful third party solutions. I will get back to you if I get more information regarding 3D acceleration and future updated. Kind Regards XXX HTC Europe
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Hehe, so my damn TuneUP was finally discovered by HTC!
Maybe you can license it to them for use in future devices and make some big $$$
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Maybe you can license it to them for use in future devices and make some big $$$
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Yea, or get a free phone (big bucks, right?!?!)
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Please please recompile stuff for the new processor, ask Qualcomm for sdk / libraries, do something, damn it !
I have a PDA i use in my car only for GPS nav (MIO P350 - 400MHz Samsung) and it plays movies better, not only speed (benchmark on same movie 172% vs 142% on the Kaiser with the EXACT same settings) but also less tearing in landscape mode. Oh, and the price was 3 times lower (i know, i know, GSM, hardware keyboard, etc, etc. but the Kaiser is supposed to be THE BEST THING EVER, with a new generation processor... crap)
Again, please release a new ROM that does justice to the processor, or stop marketing crap...
You do have a choice to buy other brands... ??
I personally find the Kaiser great just about any way. Yes there are components that could have been better. There's no doubt about it. But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
All i'm saying is that the processor has a lot more to offer, and on paper it's great, but the way HTC released the Kaiser it's like buying a super-computer, the best on the market, and you run things on it without drivers (you know how Windows runs / looks without video drivers)
I'm sure it will get better over time while they work out the kinks. The Danish version was released without World Card Mobile, but they are aware of that and will post an update on the eclub forum when its ready.
I'm quite satisfied with my TyTN II.
I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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Then get rid of it. I am sure you can sell it on eBay for what you paid for it. I think it's the best thing on the market right now
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I'm coming back to this: The DirectDraw samples coming with Windows Mobile SDK don't even work !!! What are you smoking, HTC ? Give us proper drivers !
About the "crap" earlier: the "product" is crap, the parts it contains are some good, some very good and some(software) crap.
In this case the weakest link kinda ruins it for me...
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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I agree with you. It seems my Wizard OMAP 850(overclocked to 247) plays my 384kbps .wmv files better than my Kaiser... Shame. If by "tearing" you mean that the top half and bottom half of the vids skew sometimes when playing I also get that. Although I am not a expert I would say that the proc seems like it could be better optimized. Hopefully this will come about in future ROM upgrades. You can't blame HTC for wanting to capitalize on this. I mean people DID buy the crap out of it. They just better not leave us hanging. I hear the iMate Ultimates with the 500mhz proc fly.
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Finally, someone who used windows mobile devices before and knows what it's all about.
About selling: like i said, it's like buying a good computer but not having good drivers for the hardware... why sell a good piece of hardware ? Ask the vendor for good drivers !
been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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I agree, by now these devices should be easily able to outperform lesser devices. However, HTC hasn't done many tweaks to the underlying OS to make it a better user experience besides adding touchflo. Look at how well and fast the Treo 750 or 700wx run and all of the user enhancements.
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been using pda's for years inc original ce versions, and couldnt disagree with you more.
this device is awesome!
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At playing videos? I tend to agree with the OP... the drivers clearly aren't optimized for the hardware at this point. Given the specs, it should play videos better than pervious products, not worse.
the video part actually refers to direct draw mode, because there's nothing HTC can do about the other modes, it's raw processor power
my problem is with the system in general, i can see drawing when scrolling in program folder, which is using GDI, which is not optimized. I also see tearing (it's not VSync-ed).
Aaaand.... the cherry on top: i'm a programmer and this device doesn't support directdraw so good (ok, it's slow, i get it, but at least let me use it with back buffer...)
He called the MARKETING crap.
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.... But to call HTC product crap? That's just too much.
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Ahaa, someone else noticed that the software sucks : Qualcomm claims thier chip has hardware DirectX support, but our Kaiser doesn't:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745
btw: i'm not sure if Qualcomm lies or HTC is lazy, but something is really wrong here
HTC or Qualcomm or ATT or whoever should really address this. Watching .wmv(Microsoft's own codec for crying out loud) files is horrible. Horrible I say! I've tried it on 3 different Tilts. And for anyone to say it's not doesn't know what their talking about. Or has REALLY low expectations.
It's totally like the OP said. It needs video drivers...
Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
The Kaiser came out right after I bought my Wing. I would have bought the Kaiser -- seems like an awesome phone, but now I'm going to get some mileage out of my Wing.
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Has anyone tried other codecs with TCPMP? Curious if it's any better. Unfortunately I've got GIG's of .wmv files...
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I have tried .mp4s with Core Player, and with some tweaking, they play fairly smoothly, but I agree -- .WMV is frustratingly bad. I came from a Samsung i730, which handled all codecs encoded up to (and sometimes beyond) 700kbps with no problem.
I also seem to think the video recording on the camera side is suffering from these bad "drivers". I did a comparison and my TyTnI video is WAY less burry. Way less...
Shame. HTC you should really be ashamed. Or at least get to fixing it and release a proper ROM. Or is video not important?
Sold my hermes for this
It hasnt made a huge Difference accept 50 to 60 mb prog memory. camera is horrible like o2 IIi
Video slow
Well before I had Imate JAsjam thatone played wmv and other video files without a hitch, Comparing the speed to the Kaiser the looks like a device
from the early 90's
I want to convert some videos/movies to put on my kaiser, and would like to know what is the best format to use, and highest quality/bitrate i can use. I know the ipod can play 1500kbps mp4 perfectly, but it certainly doesnt work as well on a kaiser. Is there another format perhaps, that it can decode better with a high bitrate? Divx, etc...
So far ive tried mp4 at around 500kbps and it plays pretty much fine. and i synced a movie using wmp to 384kpbs and that works fine as well, but doesnt look so hot...
I'd say stay under or at 500.. until they update the graphics and video drivers, anything over wont play too well. I tested a 700 WMV Top Gear episode (love top gear ) and it was ripping and freezing like mad..
I transfered a 300 from my friends iphone to my tilt via wifi (which by the way is freaking cool) which was 1500kpbs, it was just sad to watch it try and play. I figured dual core 400mhz proc could handle it... Guess not till drivers come out.
OK, now I KNOW the Apple PA department are performing a dark war...
Its a POWER PPC!!! video play is a basic extra to all the other stuff an Ispudge can't do!!!
Get an Ispudge and throw you 'Kaiser' away and don't come on this forum if you are not happy (or have the knowledge to use it to its capability)!
Stop moaning!!
haha. i would never trade my kaiser for an iphone. Those things suck other then the video playback. I know what my kaiser can do, and thats why I love the thing. I'm not complaining about the kaiser in general, just wish it played video a little better.
Notice i didnt mention anything about actualy wanting an iphone
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OK, now I KNOW the Apple PA department are performing a dark war...
Its a POWER PPC!!! video play is a basic extra to all the other stuff an Ispudge can't do!!!
Get an Ispudge and throw you 'Kaiser' away and don't come on this forum if you are not happy (or have the knowledge to use it to its capability)!
Stop moaning!!
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Lets see - I paid 700 Bucks for this phone .... and you dont think that entitles me to want it to do what it is advertised to do right on the box? Why dont you take your HTC fanboy mouth and go back to kissing their butt. This forum is to discuss issues and as far as 99.9% of the community is concerned. The video playback and graphics performance in general is an ISSUE!!!.
Personally I love my Kaiser ... but I recognize its shortcomings as well.
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Lets see - I paid 700 Bucks for this phone .... and you dont think that entitles me to want it to do what it is advertised to do right on the box? Why dont you take your HTC fanboy mouth and go back to kissing their butt. This forum is to discuss issues and as far as 99.9% of the community is concerned. The video playback and graphics performance in general is an ISSUE!!!.
Personally I love my Kaiser ... but I recognize its shortcomings as well.
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Sorry to disagree but this forum is not to discuss YOUR personal gripe!, it was developed for the enthusiastic DEVELOPMENT of this equipment! and solving problems ourselves (technically, not OH I can't do it...let me sue!!!.
Get your facts in place first and come up to date with the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit (still ongoing) and find out why US does not have d3d and your phones were late in deployment. Blame the US not me pal!
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Sorry to disagree but this forum is not to discuss YOUR personal gripe!, it was developed for the enthusiastic DEVELOPMENT of this equipment! and solving problems ourselves (technically, not OH I can't do it...let me sue!!!.
Get your facts in place first and come up to date with the Broadcomm v Qualcomm lawsuit (still ongoing) and find out why US does not have d3d and your phones were late in deployment. Blame the US not me pal!
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Well as it has been pointed out previously to this thread - the law suit between Qualcomm and Broadcomm affects only the US. Given that HTC is not a US company, and in fact I didnt BUY my phone in the US I bought it direct from HTC. Explain to me how the lawsuit affects them developing drivers for the chip? Also Why should I have to solve the issue myself - am I not entitled to support? If you bought a car with a 300 HP engine in it and found out they didnt provide a drive shaft and you had to install one yourself ... does that sound like a good deal. This is no different. We bought the HW based on the press releases/specs all of which mention the qualcomm chip and its capabilities.
I didnt mention suing - I am in fact for the most part against litigation. I simply want either HTC/Qualcomm/MS (but mostly HTC) to step up to their responsibilities. Sometimes an LS is the only way to get companies to do that - but I for one hope it doesnt come down to that.
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This is no different. We bought the HW based on the press releases/specs all of which mention the qualcomm chip and its capabilities.
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Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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No - I am an end consumer. I shouldnt have to learn how to program driver code (which by the way I can do being a programmer of drivers under linux etc and a coder by trade - of course that would actually require HW specs which we also dont have - but back to the point).
Why in the name of hell should I be responsible for fixing this issue? To use the car analogy again. If you buy a car and its under warranty and the clutch breaks - should you have to learn how to replace its clutch or do you take it back to the dealer?
I know the chip is working as much as its allowed to - the problem is the allowed amount sucks, thats the goddamn issue. You dont hear me complaining about the GPS - I use my garmin software on it and couldnt be happier with it. This is about BAD DRIVER SUPPORT!!. Its no different to ATI or NVIDIA providing bad drivers for vista when it first came out. The community went nuts when everything that used to work well under xp stopped working well. Well quite frankly my graphic ssupport was better under my wizard and thats a 3 year old + phone now. What you see here is the community expressing its displeasure at bad drivers.
Oh and if you check the d3d thread you will see I am following it - And have added what little input I can given the total lack of communication from HTC. You can see in that thread that other windows mobile phones using the qualcomm chip seem to have 3d/graphics support, why exactly can LG ect manage it and HTC not?
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Have you actually looked and worked on this device at programming level or are you just one of the 'mob'??
Why do you think I am here??? The Qualcomm chip is working just as much as it is allowed to.!
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I could have sworn reading that it had 3d video drivers enabled listed in the specs.. maybe I read wrong
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No - I am an end consumer.
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Sorry didn't want to quote your whole message as it was a bit large but just took the relevant bit!!
As in the rest of your rant! you quote about buying a car!! If you bought a car, without test driving it first, how would the laws cover you in the US???
You are one of many who are jumping on this d3d lobby. If you dont like the phone, THROW IT AWAY!!! If you check (and I mean REALLY check)all adds for this device they are not claiming anything above what you have, you are following rumour) Don't moan about what you have spent on it as with anyone SENSIBLE enough to think WHY DID YOU PAY SO MUCH TO buy a phone that does not fulfill your requirements WITHOUT CHECKING what you want????
DOH!! You are embarrasing yourself...
http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_English_Manual_web.pdf
Check out page 219/220. See the supported video formats. Go ahead and try open a h.264 video in media player. The drivers cant even do the formats that they give in the user manual.
PS: A test drive has f**k all to do with the example I quoted. You can test drive a car and not have it break - but when it does should you be responsible for learning how to fix it? More to the point car manufacturers issue recalls to fix issues all the time. Even after a TEST DRIVE. I never said I didnt like the phone BUT IT HAS A GODDAMN ISSUE. Why can you not acknowledge that when 99.9% of the user base does. If you cant then just sod off and stop posting your htc fanboy crap in the threads. All you do is troll. I am out of this. You are the one embarassing yourself. So far you havent come up with a single valid argument - from the lawsuit to your rebuttal of my example.
hes not embarrasing himself.
you are just showing how much of an ass you seem to be.
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http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_English_Manual_web.pdf
Check out page 219/220. See the supported video formats. Go ahead and try open a h.264 video in media player. The drivers cant even do the formats that they give in the user manual.
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Again You are confusing HTC's quotation of WM6 OS of what it 'SHOULD' be able to do against what it 'CAN' do.... This has nothing to do with the Qualcomm chip and HTC as a whole, they are limited by the OS and its capabilities.
Check out my LinksysWVC54GC IP cam link thread. The downstreamed mjpeg video is excellent using TCPMP (OH BTW uses d3d!! as WM player in WM6 is still limited and can not!)
Go to basics and realise WM6 and its basic apps is still requiring major changes!!!
Soz if I upset, but just putting the facts.
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Bratag... this is *NOT* the "HTC Kaiser Consumer Support" forum. If you have a problem with HTC's Support, I suggest you contact them directly.
This forum is for people that have the phone and want to develop their own programs for it etc.
To use your car analogy; this forum is like Fred down the road, he's replaced the windscreen wipers on his own car, in his own garage, with bright flash ones that the car manufacturer didn't make. He believes that makes his car a bit better than when he bought it...
Just a short fact on the topic, I have a library of movies encoded at around 475 kb/sec at 320x240 that I've used on Archos Players, PPCs, 8525, and now Kaiser with TCPMP and they play and look perfect.
I would like the correct drivers as well to increase general video performance, the Kaiser just cuts it close right now as-is.
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This forum is for people that have the phone and want to develop their own programs for it etc.
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I whole heartedly disagree
So the "xda-developers > General Discussion > Development and Hacking" is for??
Or the "xda-developers > Kaiser > Kaiser Upgrading" ?
And why are people getting all over Bratag anyway? He didn't intend to flame anyone, which can not be said by some other members.
Back on topic, I would be interested in what people's experiences are with encoding settings that DO work. It does su<& that I have to use two or more different encodings, and it is definitely disappointing that I can't even play a video file without intervention that my $150 camera can record and play, but if we get back to discussing encoding/transcoding to some particular formats and settings, we can actually help each other instead of bashing.
So for WM6, it sounds like bitrate is best to be <500. Does the fomat matter? I have heard Divx and/or AVI. Has anyone tried any others? Can a difference be seen between them?
I find some of the Freeware transcoders to be very 'hit n miss' such as PocketDivX and Pocket DVD, unable to keep audio/video sync on large files.
If you have all the necessary codecs for WM player on your PC so they will play on it (for most dowladed DivX files that end in .avi you will need latest DivX codec and an AC3 audio codec) then just sync them to your phone and they should play quite well in Pocket WM player and even better on TCPMP with RAW selected!
i think you need to calm down - its almost as if you dont want your device to support 3d or accelerated surfaces - what is wrong with you?
I am making a link to the Corecodec page as it is supposed to be today that Corecoded would make an announcement on CES about their new player solving the video driver issue.
Will be easier to follow up betaboys posts over there refering to this solution.
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=640.0
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I am making a link to the Corecodec page as it is supposed to be today that Corecoded would make an announcement on CES about their new player solving the video driver issue.
Will be easier to follow up betaboys posts over there refering to this solution.
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=640.0
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Do you know which booth the vendor will be at? I am in Las Vegas right now and would like to stop by with my At&t Tilt and see what they have to offer.
Very intersting!
Seems that we have the same story happening again (it was allmost the same with the tytn I).
Can't wait to give a try
What A Good News !!
What time is that in gMT?
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What time is that in gMT?
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las vegas should be GMT -7 or so. Hopefully some reply from Corecodec's founder later tonight.
No idea which booth they have, you might check Corecodec on the exhibition listing?
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=504.0 :O
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http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=504.0 :O
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xmoo, that was "old news" I posted way back early October when I was not aware yet of the major issues with the video drivers
I thought that the problem was related to WMP at that time.
Since then, we all became much wiser and know that the coreplayer v 1.1 does not offers the solution (I am using it since October myself and FPS is still laggy in all tried formats - settings)
let's hopefully wait for some liberating news from Corecodec's founder Betaboy
I have my finger ready on the "download Coreplayer v1.2" link (which should be available soon , very very soon I hope)
Hey everyone! Any word on this? Does the CorePlayer 1.2 have a much improved video driver for us that works as a general driver? If so, I better shell out some $$$ for the player =).
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Hey everyone! Any word on this? Does the CorePlayer 1.2 have a much improved video driver for us that works as a general driver? If so, I better shell out some $$$ for the player =).
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I don't think so....I thought it only "solved" video problems. Not an actual system driver.
this is great news and all but the best news will be the release date so we can actually try it out...
Still waiting............
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357457
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Still waiting............
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No news yesterday on Corecodec.
Following the thread to the link above, I hope that Corecodec did not released "too optimistic" news.
A third party soft which renders vide better but slows down the whole phone by 2/3 is not a solution indeed.
let's just wait untill they announce their release and judge afterwards.
How are they going to announce the player at CES when they even have a booth at CES. They're not in the 2008 International Official Show Directory.
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How are they going to announce the player at CES when they even have a booth at CES. They're not in the 2008 International Official Show Directory.
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Link to the posting from the Corecodec founder :
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=596.0
And their announcement:
All.... in the upcoming version of CorePlayer Mobile v1.2 we have resolved the POOR video playback issues that the AT&T TILT users have experienced and I can say from first hand experience that the playback is pretty close to flawless ;-)
We are making an announcement at CES on Jan 7th on the released date of CorePlayer Mobile v1.2 that also includes advanced RTP/RTSP streaming and the much anticipated support for YouTube Mobile.
So now we have to wait till new version comes out?
Don't buy CorePlayer, Use TCPMP !
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Don't get any of your hopes up, CorePlayer will solve nothing for us:
First of all, what they "fix" will only work inside Coreplayer
And second:
http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=596.15
page 2, second post, blue one:
"ok... so let me clarify... so its a little of BOTH to be true in that... we _ARE_ using HW overlay with the qtv drivers for the color conversion and bilinear zooming and we are _NOT_ using the builtin mpeg4 hw decoder."
So they only fix the problem which made our kaiser slower (about 3 times slower) than all similar devices when using DirectDraw... you know the issue, we were going around it by using Raw Framebuffer in Tcpmp
What this means: they found a workaround for a bug in the Kaiser, they do not have video drivers, they do not have 3D drivers.
I wish it wasn't so... but it is
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Still waiting............
and yes we know that;s tmcp.
I like the fact that in core player forum they deleted the last post because it was complaining with the fact that they failed to deliver what they promised. Everybody was waiting for their self proclaimed solution to the problem to be announced during the CES on the 7th of January, but maybe they meant 2009 and not 2008. Whatever, i just hope that a better media player comes quickly so that we can forget all these lies from Betaboy and Core Player team. Don't promise what you cannot fulfill.
Please try this if you are suffering problems with video playback on your Kaiser (NOT VIDEO GAMES).
Go to the OFFICIAL DivX website and download the latest full package. Try out the DivX converter using the setting 'Mobile' (you can try it for a period then if you like it you can then purchase it).
This device has its faults but if you are not prepared to work around this you should not post on this developers site!
I can play any movie file over WiFi from my WLHDD2.5 in perfect rendition (for a PDA) after doing this with the basic TCPMP set to GDI playback.
JUST GIVE IT A TRY, you have nothing to lose!!!
EDIT..Use the .81 version of TCPMP if you can get it, buffer processing is faster.
Farsquidge said:
Please try this if you are suffering problems with video playback on your Kaiser (NOT VIDEO GAMES).
Go to the OFFICIAL DivX website and download the latest full package. Try out the DivX converter using the setting 'Mobile' (you can try it for a period then if you like it you can then purchase it).
This device has its faults but if you are not prepared to work around this you should not post on this developers site!
I can play any movie file over WiFi from my WLHDD2.5 in perfect rendition (for a PDA) after doing this with the basic TCPMP set to GDI playback.
JUST GIVE IT A TRY, you have nothing to lose!!!
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Again, we all know we can view videos at a good speed after having converted them. But our Kaiser should read them with no conversion at all.
We have enough solutions to convert videos, thanks for this one, but it is just one more ...
dizzy33 said:
Again, we all know we can view videos at a good speed after having converted them. But our Kaiser should read them with no conversion at all.
We have enough solutions to convert videos, thanks for this one, but it is just one more ...
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I can not assist the mentally blocked so please do not give negatives until people have had time to try it THANKS!!
One would like to ask where it is said that Windows Mobile plays un-converted files??? It is primarily designed to sync via Windows media player.(as is the iSpudge with its PC software)..All other video playback is user selected and not fully supported. No lawsuit here I'm afraid...
OH, and BTW, did you selectively miss this in the first post???
'This device has its faults but if you are not prepared to work around this you should not post on this developers site! '
deleted ....problem solved.... i am just too stupid lol
samlee860407 said:
hm....my kaiser cant play the file that i converted using divx ....
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If you used the OFFICIAL DiVx converter in the latest DiVx full package, it would play with any TCPMP! You have some setup problem there buddy...
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If you used the OFFICIAL DiVx converter in the latest DiVx full package, it would play with any TCPMP! You have some setup problem there buddy...
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yes...i just firgue it out that i cant double click the converted file and expect it to play @@
then i try to edit before you post...but then again i din click the post button...lol
anyway...thanks alot bro
the quality is good, just that nid to spend some time to convert
btw, Farsquidge, did you use core media player before?
samlee860407 said:
yes...i just firgue it out that i cant double click the converted file and expect it to play @@
then i try to edit before you post...but then again i din click the post button...lol
anyway...thanks alot bro
the quality is good, just that nid to spend some time to convert
btw, Farsquidge, did you use core media player before?
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No, I am stuck here with TCPMP until I get back to UK to purchase the new Coreplayer as my cred card wont work from the UAE online.
I am just trying to pass on any workarounds I find to others. I expect a massive factor of improvement when I get it but anything before that will also help others.
ah....massive improvement huh
is coreplayer really that good?
really wish to try it, only if i no need to pay 1st
but then the divx convertor is really easy to use, just that it takes time to convert
CorePlayer
samlee860407 said:
is coreplayer really that good?
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Definitely !
Cheers
hrb
samlee860407 said:
ah....massive improvement huh
is coreplayer really that good?
really wish to try it, only if i no need to pay 1st
but then the divx convertor is really easy to use, just that it takes time to convert
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Yep, it does!! But has patience been lost? We are developers... Not miracle workers.. Even iTunes takes full control of the other type of unit (COMPLETELY!) to convert...I think the fact we still have a factor of control on our devices to CHOOSE is befuddling people... If it was all fully auto then XDA would no longer exist!!!
ahh....hehe, good good
well...maybe coz i am converting prison break and stuff which is quite big in file....hehe
thanks all again
Farsquidge said:
One would like to ask where it is said that Windows Mobile plays un-converted files??? It is primarily designed to sync via Windows media player.(as is the iSpudge with its PC software)..All other video playback is user selected and not fully supported. No lawsuit here I'm afraid...
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Video??? I can't even get WMP to sync more than 30 songs before dropping the connection. It took me 5 nights of sitting there reconnecting every 90 minutes or so just to get 4GB of music synced up. I have to say, this is one job the iPhone handles WAY, WAY, WAY better. The whole MS thing is just sad and disappointing.
It's funny that everyone talks about how it is nice to be able to install 3rd party apps to make your device better. Yes, you can not yet install 3rd party apps on the iPhone, but the biggest point is, in many case you don't need to. The browser works great, chat works great, music playback works great, video playback works great, google maps work great, email works great, etc....
My suggestion for video on the Kaiser is, don't waste your time with it. I have wasted 10s of hours trying and it is just not worth it. I have tried 6 different encoders including DivX, Pocket Divx, Handbrake, 4 different file types and countless bitrates, framerates and codecs.
tbh,i would really wanted an iphone but there are some major flaw that why i din buy it although its my dream phone
1st, its not available in my place officially(only can get cracked version), no 3g, no mms,can edit word,excel and blah blah
and although i dont knw will i face the same problem when i am syncing songs, as i haven try yet
but no, you dont need to waste 10hours to get ur kaiser to play video
just downlaod tctm, install it in kaiser
download divx, convert it as the 1st post says so, then upload to ur device...done
less then 30minutes all done
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Video??? I can't even get WMP to sync more than 30 songs before dropping the connection. It took me 5 nights of sitting there reconnecting every 90 minutes or so just to get 4GB of music synced up. I have to say, this is one job the iPhone handles WAY, WAY, WAY better. The whole MS thing is just sad and disappointing.
It's funny that everyone talks about how it is nice to be able to install 3rd party apps to make your device better. Yes, you can not yet install 3rd party apps on the iPhone, but the biggest point is, in many case you don't need to. The browser works great, chat works great, music playback works great, video playback works great, google maps work great, email works great, etc....
My suggestion for video on the Kaiser is, don't waste your time with it. I have wasted 10s of hours trying and it is just not worth it. I have tried 6 different encoders including DivX, Pocket Divx, Handbrake, 4 different file types and countless bitrates, framerates and codecs.
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OK, BUT, please don't express your opinion until you have tested this yourself and posted any problems with it! Let others decide???
Many thanks..
That's a great idea, Farsquidge!
I know this topic has been covered extensively (see here), but all applications which provide help to the user are welcome.
A freeware alternative is available, too, which you may be interested in (and requires a bit of tweaking for us tech-inclined): http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/
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That's a great idea, Farsquidge!
I know this topic has been covered extensively (see here), but all applications which provide help to the user are welcome.
A freeware alternative is available, too, which you may be interested in (and requires a bit of tweaking for us tech-inclined): http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/
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I hope some can use this to move forward.
Best thing I have from you is the sig tag... Just taken it as my mother died 15/01/08 of cancer so have joined your group.
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I hope some can use this to move forward.
Best thing I have from you is the sig tag... Just taken it as my mother died 15/01/08 of cancer so have joined your group.
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I am so sorry for your loss. My mother had breast cancer year before last, and my grandmother before her. It's great to know, though, that our children may have no need to worry about such a devastating disease with the research our generations are putting into this area. God bless you, Farsquidge!
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I am so sorry for your loss. My mother had breast cancer year before last, and my grandmother before her. It's great to know, though, that our children may have no need to worry about such a devastating disease with the research our generations are putting into this area. God bless you, Farsquidge!
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Thanks, I have her in my heart always, and, as we were both from Yorkshire, England...she would say, 'If you don't mean what you say, I will tan your hide!!'
She was a pearl!!!
I use a product called "Wondershare DVD Ripper Suite" (has a ripper and a converter) and it has a nice batch feature as well. I have also had success with "SPB DVD" and "DVD to PocketPC" by a company called Makayama. "Ashampoo Shrink and Burn 3" does fine for me as well. Also, I have noticed that Windows Media Player performs some type of conversion/compression when syncing. For example, "Star Wars 3" is a 855 MB WMV file, but when I synced it to my device it was only 359 MB. However, when I transferred the original 855 MB file to my storage card using a card reader it was still 855 MB - what is Windows Media Player doing besides syncing?
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what is Windows Media Player doing besides syncing?
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It is probably doing its best to convert a video file (of which there are MANY formats) to the preferred WM AVI PDA format. If you do not have the corresponding CODEC in your PC WM player it will not even try..Everyone has to try to standardise their media format for the player designate. If you expect the file you have on your PC/Laptop to play the same on your portable device 100% without conversion then I am afraid you are living in cloud cuckoo land! The processor speed and video codecs are radically different for WM devices against full Windows machines. (irrespective of any driver omission before anyone starts!!)
Aspect Ratio is not only for screen playback... it is for what you expect from your device....
Coolsmartphone are doing a day by day review with a guy using it for a week. At least we'll find out about things like battery life!
days 1 and 2 are up, and u can ask quesions in the forum post for each day.
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/
Great review
Thx! Really Really nice review! Take a look ppl!
I for one have confirmed to buying this phone after watching this video. The video
showed that the keys are very responsive when dialing numbers, which is really important I think.
yeah, and you can ask him questions to answer in the next days review. If you can't be bothered to register to add a question, just ask here and i'll post it there.
I don't think he has been asked, what Version Tomtom Navigator he tried on it, and if this was delivered with the device or did he install it on his own?
lots of people have already asked that in day3..
Check here first:
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12471
Day 4
Day 4 has just been uploaded...
@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called new folder and though it showed up in the TouchFlo 3D app. However you should have MOVED the picture rather than COPYING it as the app will have picked up the original, or you should have seen the image twice. Could you re-do the test as a MOVE rather than COPY.
2. Could you try some games on the screen to see how they behave under VGA, try worms world party from jamdat if you can download the demo, and see if its easy to aim, you should have 6/7 steps between horizontal and vertical aim.
3. Using TomTom could you compare the calculating route time between two devices calculating the same route. Also brows the map on the diamond, and zoom fully out from street level to the whole of the map (UK or Europe) to let us see how quickly it re-renders the map.
Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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You need a media player that can utilise the hardware acceleration of the Qualcomm chipset, such as Core Player 1.2
posted!
btw did everyone notice in day 4, it seems all 5 UMTS bands are supported
Did they manage to put the correct antenna's in or maybe its just because its a test handset.
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@ someone1234,
Could you ask the following questions on my behalf, many thanks...
1. During your day 4 video you COPIED a picture into a subdirectory called ......
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Did anyone else notice the HORRIBLE video playback? I did. It looks just as bad as the Kaiser. WTF!?
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Yeah, but as imranbashir_uk said, Windows Media Player is not the best software to use. Does anyone know if the phone in these reviews has the same software as the version that will be sold? If it does, that video problem might put the most lazy consumers off getting it.
nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom, not for sale on it
some athenas were shipped with test roms, but that was only by compusa who were closing down i think.
but shipping what is their biggest release so far of 08, with great new enhancements without being complete would be utterly stupid [wait isnt that what happened with kaiser video drivers? ]
Rory
No that was test firmware only. It says so when he powers up the device. Also I don’t think the full firmware is going to be any better unless they can somehow hack windows media player to utilise the hardware acceleration of the chipset.
To visualise what I’m talking about think about windows just after a fresh install, the resolution is VGA, and the colour depth is only 16-Bit, its only after you install the drivers for your graphics card (Radeon) that you get to actually utilise the hardware.
In terms of the Diamond, Core Player 1.2 recognises the enabled graphics acceleration within the Qualcomm chipset and the software is able to fully utilise it.
yep and its worth paying whatever it costs because it utilised my athenas imageon too.. [i dont think that has drivers either]
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nope
havent u seen the splash screens, or video 1, it says test rom
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Yeah, obviously those would be changed (and yes, I did see them, so please stop treating me like a retard - why would I have asked that question if I had not seen them?), but I'm not familiar with how much these ROMs change between test and final versions. For some companies that change is very small, whereas for others (Planetside) there can be a lot of change.
Also, I've finished watching day 4 now, and I think the Touch Diamond did fairly well in the battery test. Obviously it lost, but it only used roughly 33% more battery power than the other phone and he was using them pretty heavily.
Won’t change that much unfortunately, most of HTC’s software is modular hence the reason it can be easily ported. The main difference I guess would be that the latest AKU of WM 6.1 will be incorporated.
If you think about it, its not in HTC’s interest to send out poor quality software to reviewers as most peoples judgments will be based on these reviews until they get to play with a mates version who was a early adopter.
Meh. Sendo sent out a phone to reviewers and subsequently went bust.
well another example is debug builds of all the exe's which spam logs with information about which functions are running, and contain extra structures to hold debug info. So you never really can be sure.
I'm sure that HTC will continue to tweak the rom with updates for a few months after release at the least.
Generally agree that they will continue to tweak the ROM, but would they really send debug builds to reviewers? Hmmm not too sure about that one...