My friend has a unbranded X1, but don't know if can be compatible for the 3G network in Canada or USA? Anyone knows? Or North American ROM needs to be flashed on to enable 3G compatibility with the Carriers in North American??
Thanks in advance for any inputs
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My friend has a unbranded X1, but don't know if can be compatible for the 3G network in Canada or USA? Anyone knows? Or North American ROM needs to be flashed on to enable 3G compatibility with the Carriers in North American??
Thanks in advance for any inputs
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This is a very vexed issue. Please read the thread on 850Mhz 3G connection.
The short answer is:
1) "unbranded X1" is irrelevant. Use Start>Settings>System>Device ID to find the actual device version, ie. X1i or X1a
2) if your friend is lucky and the Device ID is X1a, then the device is capable of connection to the US/Aus/S America/S Africa 850Mhz 3G band
3) if the Device ID is X1i, then no such luck. This is a hardware issue, not firmware
Both will connect to the 2100Mhz UMTS band which is commonly used in cities, so if your friend never ventures outside cities the X1i should work OK for 3G
I have a question on this, when SE 1st released info about X1, they mentioned that it's Quand band GSM, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS/3G 850, 900, 1900, 2100. Why when they released it, they had to make 2 versions to support different networks? I think that this is stupid, they can do that for branded phones but not for SE unbraded phones, exactly like HTC and the HD, Diamond and Pro. We pay a lot of money for these for so at least give us full functionality... especially that these phones are more of business phones, so it's expected that people travel with these phones....or am i wrong about that?
thanks
I have an X1i in the US an it works flawless on the AT&T network with 3G (inc. HSDPA!!!)
rwholden said:
I have an X1i in the US an it works flawless on the AT&T network with 3G (inc. HSDPA!!!)
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In what part of the USA are you?
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In what part of the USA are you?
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yeah that would be great to know.. Im in LA and i was looking to get one. I know that ATT 3G works both 850 and 1900, but depending on where you are there's one band stronger than the other.
Thanks for the info man.
I really appreciated.
Does anyone know what what band is Rogers 3G running on?
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This is a very vexed issue. Please read the thread on 850Mhz 3G connection.
The short answer is:
1) "unbranded X1" is irrelevant. Use Start>Settings>System>Device ID to find the actual device version, ie. X1i or X1a
2) if your friend is lucky and the Device ID is X1a, then the device is capable of connection to the US/Aus/S America/S Africa 850Mhz 3G band
3) if the Device ID is X1i, then no such luck. This is a hardware issue, not firmware
Both will connect to the 2100Mhz UMTS band which is commonly used in cities, so if your friend never ventures outside cities the X1i should work OK for 3G
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White_Hair said:
Thanks for the info man.
I really appreciated.
Does anyone know what what band is Rogers 3G running on?
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Please read and search before asking...
You answer is HERE (google search, first link displayed for "wikipedia rogers 3G": the band has always been there waiting for you to read it under "Services": Rogers 3G 850MHz) so you need the X1a, the X1i won't pick that band
Sorry to bother but this has been posted before (read and search before asking)
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yeah that would be great to know.. Im in LA and i was looking to get one. I know that ATT 3G works both 850 and 1900, but depending on where you are there's one band stronger than the other.
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I'm also on ATT in Colorado (Windsor/Ft. Collins area) and get 3G almost all the time. I've been all over the state and have got 3G service just about everywhere, only rolling over to Edge from time to time.
Oh and I've got an X1i.
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I'm also on ATT in Colorado (Windsor/Ft. Collins area) and get 3G almost all the time. I've been all over the state and have got 3G service just about everywhere, only rolling over to Edge from time to time.
Oh and I've got an X1i.
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Gr8 thanks for the info
yeah, I don't get any 3G in canada with my X1i.
I live in Vancouver BC, always in Edge.
I have had an occurence once, but only once! =[
I get HSDPA in the Dallas\Ft. Worth Area, and in Lawton, OK. Everywhere else I go I'm on Edge. And this is with a X1a on ATT.
ianl8888 said:
This is a very vexed issue. Please read the thread on 850Mhz 3G connection.
The short answer is:
1) "unbranded X1" is irrelevant. Use Start>Settings>System>Device ID to find the actual device version, ie. X1i or X1a
2) if your friend is lucky and the Device ID is X1a, then the device is capable of connection to the US/Aus/S America/S Africa 850Mhz 3G band
3) if the Device ID is X1i, then no such luck. This is a hardware issue, not firmware
Both will connect to the 2100Mhz UMTS band which is commonly used in cities, so if your friend never ventures outside cities the X1i should work OK for 3G
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Nobody in the US uses 2100MHz, AFAIK, and I'm pretty sure Canada follows the same frequencies.
1900, on the other hand, is supported by the X1i, which is used by AT&T, Rogers, and Bell.
The downside is that if you're unfortunate enough to use T-Mobile, the network uses 850MHz only, and you're stuck with EDGE.
man guy this is too simple to find and you open a thread for this??!!??!?! STOP CLOGGING THE FORUMS!!!!!
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Hi All
hoping you can give some advice here, I'm currently with vodafone Australia and looking at buying a diamond.
Currently they are available locally as the Telstra HTC touch diamond (competing network) or via grey import models.
I understand through numerous threads that there is no quad band model as yet and that telstra uses 3g on the 850mhz band, i think but am not sure that vodafone uses 2100mhz for 3g.
I'm confused as to which handset im better off with the telstra one or a grey import.
To make it more confusing I'm going to USA and Sth America, shortly and want to make sure it roams on 3g.
HELP!!!!
no-one even has an opinion?!?
After scouring the rest of the 'net it appears that;
telstra uses 850mhz hsdpa,
vodafone and optus uses 2100mhz umts,
optus will launch 900mhz hsdpa in the near future.
I gather from this that no matter which australian carrier network i use i will not be able to use one carrier or another does someone have any further insight on this?
I think I read on Whirlpool that the Telstra handsets should work on any network - except Optus' 900mhz.
Im with Telstra (work sim), so just went with the Telstra handset.
I've got a Virgin sim I could try in it if you'd like?
that would help . . . cheers
It cant do any harm... I guess my real issue is that I want to make sure I'm getting the highest possible data speeds in whatever country I'm in and I'm not sure what difference there is between the carrier frequency's being used. I get the general impression that only telstra has 7.2mps (theoretical) speed at present, but if i go with a handset that doesnt support 900mhz and i end up with 2100mhz am i missing out on vodafone hsdpa......
im consfused
I was in the same boat when trying to figure out which Diamond to get. I jumped ship and ordered a DIAM130 (Telstra ver.).
Its my understanding that the Optus 900MHz UMTS will be for use in regional areas, whereas 2100MHz for metropolitan. A quick search of the net also indicated that 2100MHz is the dominant UMTS band throughout most of the world, with the exception of the U.S. which uses 850/1900 I believe. So I figure the DIAM130 would be the best bet if you want some sort of 3G connection whatever country you may be in.
If I'm mistaken, can someone please correct me...
EDIT: Looking back at your posts, I'm not sure if you realise this, but the DIAM100 is 900/2100 MHz UMTS and the DIAM130 is 850/2100 MHz UMTS.
Yep, I think the Helstra one with 850mhz/2100mhz looks like the best bet. It would seem that all the carriers in Oz use the 2100mhz in the cities and 850mhz or 900mhz in rural areas.
The US and Sth.America seem to use 850mhz and Europe uses 900mhz/2100mhz.
The whole reason this came up was about 2 weeks ago I went into a Helstra shop and HTC had a marquis with their own staff, they actually stated do not buy a Helstra handset wait until October 1 when the other networks will have quadband handsets. I put this down to them not knowing what they were talking about.
I cant wait any longer though and I think I'm off to JB HiFi to pickup a telstra one, whirlpool forum users have been picking them up for between $750 and $800.
I bought my Diamond from JB (telstra phone bought outright) and I use it with voda prepaid.
I can access the GSM network fine and their 3G network as well. But I force my phone to use GSM only, apparently 3G drinks more battery power.
I am on the vodaphone network ( work). I bought a diamond from a H/K supplier & have never had anytrouble using the 3g network in any of the main capital cities.
Unless you intend to use 3g A LOT in the country areas of australia, then a presumably cheaper grey import DIA 100 will do the trick.
only would suggest that you upgrade to one of the great ROMS available on this site from the generous chefs!
sorry but i think telstra are ripping off the aussie customers with the 130 model.
I have a DIAM100, it works on all networks in Australia including Telstra NextG (yes it DOES work on 850MHz HSDPA). I currently use the phone on the 3 network which use 2100MHz and get very good speeds (in excess of 3.5mbps).
Hi poedgirl,
noticed your'e using an older radio version than whats currently available.
at the risk of telling you to suck eggs, i would suggest you try the 1.00.25.08 Radio rom as the increase in signal phone strength & GPS strength was unbelievable!
thats assuming you are located in Sydney
This Post in the ROMs section pretty much covers which models you can use or will need on the various AU networks.
There are 3 3G Network Frequencies in AUS
850 MHz (NextG) - DIAM130
900 MHz Optus - DIAM100, DIAM110, DIAM200, DIAM300
2100 MHz Optus, Vodafone, Three, Telstra(use Three's) - DIAM100, DIAM110, DIAM200, DIAM300, DIAM130
ALL Diamonds have the 2100MHz frequency!
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I have a grey import DIAM100 running on Three and it has not missed a beat.
poedgirl said:
I have a DIAM100, it works on all networks in Australia including Telstra NextG (yes it DOES work on 850MHz HSDPA)..
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just out of interest how were you able to determine this?
poedgirl said:
I have a DIAM100, it works on all networks in Australia including Telstra NextG (yes it DOES work on 850MHz HSDPA). I currently use the phone on the 3 network which use 2100MHz and get very good speeds (in excess of 3.5mbps).
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sorry to disappoint, I used to think the same, but see this and this You are right - it uses HSDPA, but only on the 2100 network, outside of that network the phone will show "E" for "edge" .(which is GPRS).
Thanks timn2087, that what I thought. I suspect the Telstra branding and web interface can lead you to believe you are on the Telstra NextG network, regardless of whether you are connecting with a phone capable of 850MHz or 2100MHz. My DIAM100 (Same hardware) on 3 behaves exactly as you describe when it roams onto Telstra GSM displaying "E" for "edge".
i bought the helstra one
well i just went for it, and bought the diam130. ive gone the hardspl, radio 05, swift rom. all seems to working.
got if for $760 outright at jb hifi pitt st mall sydney store. no stress haggle said to the guy whats the best price he said $800 i said how about $760 he goes "done".
thanks for all your help everyone
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Thanks timn2087, that what I thought. I suspect the Telstra branding and web interface can lead you to believe you are on the Telstra NextG network, regardless of whether you are connecting with a phone capable of 850MHz or 2100MHz. My DIAM100 (Same hardware) on 3 behaves exactly as you describe when it roams onto Telstra GSM displaying "E" for "edge".
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correct. The DIAM130 on Next G will show a 3G icon whenever it is on 850 Mhz, occasionally this icon changes to "H" HSDPA when a data connection is active.
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sorry to disappoint, I used to think the same, but see this and this You are right - it uses HSDPA, but only on the 2100 network, outside of that network the phone will show "E" for "edge" .(which is GPRS).
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Well, for one, the phone gets a HSDPA signal in Mandurah - where there is no 3 coverage (only ever get Telstra roaming there if you're with 3). Also, as others have said, if you are on 3's network, the network shows up as "3Telstra", which it does not on mine.
I haven't found any answers so I've decided to "ask the audience".
To my understanding the Rogers Canada network uses 850/1900 for it's 3G primarily 850. Is this true?
I haven't found a mention of a North American release date for the GSM Diamond. Anyone know the date? I don't expect it till around Christmas.
I'm looking at an Australian Diamond that uses the 850/2100 bands for 3G. Will the support of the 850 band be enough to function on the Rogers network or does the phone have to support both bands for 3G to function on the network?
only gsm 850 works on my diamond. i think its 1900 for 3g
I have an European Diamond which works on the rogers network but I get GSM/EDGE but to my horror no 3G
Looking around only on a few sites can I find any mention of what works and what doesn't the closest information I could find is from this link:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/843038.html
NextG phones are 850/2100 capable, so you'll be right on most 3G networks...
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WILL get UMTS 850 signal in Cingular 3G coverage areas in the states...
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850MHz UMTS coverage on Rogers in Canada, but you still can't get next g
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and they go back and forth so I'm not sure what to believe and I don't think I want to buy another Diamond just to find it won't work either.
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/Jama/585 has some interesting comments as well but I'm not sure what to believe.
Can anyone confirm or deny and of this?
The question is will a Australian phone with the 850/2100 3G radio function on the Roger network?
nosgop said:
The question is will a Australian phone with the 850/2100 3G radio function on the Roger network?
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I have the Australian version (850/2100 MHz) and it supports the Telstra 3G Network. Can't see why it wouldn't work on other 850/2100 MHz 3G network.
To my understanding the Canadian Rogers network is a 850/1900 network.
Does the phone need to support both bands or will one suffice?
Rogers Diamond
I had an EU/Asia Diam and I never manage to get 3G connection. Sold the phone and bought a Rogers branded diam and by default I see 3G connection all the time on the top network status. But now I'm thinking of going back to an EU/Asia version unless I can flash my Rogers branded diam with a better ROM.
Has anyone been able to connect to Tmobile's USA 3G network in Dallas TX? Anywhere else in the US? Any settings need to be changed?
Search is good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390575
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=417121
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390449
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403539
Search???? But it is some much better for the community to ask the question before searching.
Please close thread.
Before you start flaming, I suggest you read the question. Since you can search, I assume you can read...
The original question was about this service in Dallas TX, which according to multiple sources, the service was just launched on August 27.
Most posts available on Tmobile's 3G state the service is on the 1700 MHz (which the kaiser is not capable). However there are a few people that have stated it might also be in the 2100MHz band.
It is also possible that the Kaise is capable to hook to the 1700MHz band but not enabled by the radio rom. Take the Diamond for example, it was not supposed to support the 850MHz band...
Since Dallas service just started, it is possible 2100MHz is available.
Has anyone been able to prove Tmobile's 3G service is up an running IN DALLAS?
I stand corrected, kind sir. I jumped to a conclusion and was ignorant of the facts related to your specific part of the world. I am sorry.
Did you call TMobile customer service and ask the question? So none of the search results gave you any help. I guess wait and see if you get a reply. Good luck.
3g with tilt ?
smh
jayizzbakk said:
3g with tilt ?
smh
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I just got 3G here in little old York, Pa. I guess I don't understand your question?
I think what he wants to know if 3g data will work with an at&T branded tilt on tmobile U.S. and if so I would like to know how it compares to the edge network they were using
i think T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 and one band is for uplink and the other is for downlink.
unlike AT&T or Rogers who can use 850 and 1900 independantly for uplink or downlink.
first of all, tmobile sim cards are not 3G compatbile, therefore even the correct settings probably wont pick up any 3G signal...keep in mind that tmobile never updated simcards since its voicestream transition...i remember when AT&T went 3G, they had to issue 3G enabled sim cards....
And my Tilt has a 3G SIM but it's an ATT SIM.
you cant get on tmobiles network with an att sim
My understanding is that there are people who have the TP2 activated here in the US...
but 3g doesn't work since it uses a different band in EU
so...the million dollar question...
is this hardware or software issue and eventually fixable with a rom upgrade in the future?
thanks for your input
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My understanding is that there are people who have the TP2 activated here in the US...
but 3g doesn't work since it uses a different band in EU
so...the million dollar question...
is this hardware or software issue and eventually fixable with a rom upgrade in the future?
thanks for your input
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Since the hardware is very much like the Raphael hardware I would guess that the correct hardware needs to be in place for US 3G. I hope I am wrong since I have a euro version TP2 here in the states.
yeah...its looking like hardware...
It is a hardware thing. They are on different bands (Quad band and tri-band).
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It is a hardware thing. They are on different bands (Quad band and tri-band).
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I dont think it is even bands...my TP2 is quad band I believe and can not get 3G with AT&T.
Bands for my phone Quad Band 850/900/1800/1900
yah plenty of US ppl have them but the euro models only have 3g on 2100mhz (basically wifi???)
usa 3g is on different band...
the quad bands are for phone use (i think...but i'm a noob)
att 3g is 850.1900 tibble is 1700 and telstra is 850/1900
so if i understand it right...to gain 3g on different band besides 2100 (wifi/eu) you are looking at hardware
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but the euro models only have 3g on 2100mhz (basically wifi???)
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what does wifi have anything to do with this?
cmonex said:
what does wifi have anything to do with this?
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uh...lol...dont mind me
im just a nub
i should have said wcdma
astain hellbinger (im sure i mispelled that) has been home schooling me...
and he represents any knowlede i have tried to represent here...
forgive my crude interpretation
some of it is sticking though...lol
If you purchased a quadband unlocked TP2, you will never be able to get US 3G on it unless you can get the hardware modified (which in all likelihood, you can't).
If you have a TP2 with triband then it will either support AT&T (850/1900/2100) or T-mobile USA (850/1700/2100). A phone model will probably not come out that supports both T-mobile and AT&T 3G frequencies. This would require a quadband phone with (850/1700/1900/2100). A phone with all four of those frequencies has never been made.
EDGE will work on almost all carriers, world-wide, on a quadband phone EDGE will work on most carriers world-wide on a triband phone.
850 is mostly used for EDGE (both up and downlink). 1700/1900 are commonly used for uplink 3G. 2100 is commonly used for downlink 3G.
I hope that this clears things up.
As mentioned above, internal hardware is almost identical as the Raphael.
This thread gathered the most information for 3G Raphael in the US.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40
So probably hardware and no go although LTxda mentioned bricking his Raphael trying to get 3G working with Elite's team and cmonex, so maybe she as something to add !? =Þ
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If you purchased a quadband unlocked TP2, you will never be able to get US 3G on it unless you can get the hardware modified (which in all likelihood, you can't).
If you have a TP2 with triband then it will either support AT&T (850/1900/2100) or T-mobile USA (850/1700/2100). A phone model will probably not come out that supports both T-mobile and AT&T 3G frequencies. This would require a quadband phone with (850/1700/1900/2100). A phone with all four of those frequencies has never been made.
EDGE will work on almost all carriers, world-wide, on a quadband phone EDGE will work on most carriers world-wide on a triband phone.
850 is mostly used for EDGE (both up and downlink). 1700/1900 are commonly used for uplink 3G. 2100 is commonly used for downlink 3G.
I hope that this clears things up.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
I have recently buyed to a friend this phone, and I can't connect to my provider 3G network. Reading, I saw that it is because I have X1i, and I need X1a (I live in Argentina, South America).
Well, is possible to turn my X1i to X1a?
Please help!
P.D.: Sorry for my English.
Sorry, I don't think you can do that, since this is a hardware issue....But, I'm not too sure.
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Sorry, I don't think you can do that, since this is a hardware issue....But, I'm not too sure.
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You just need to flash a NAM (North American) ROM if you want to change it to X1A. You can check on the ROM section of this forum.
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You just need to flash a NAM (North American) ROM if you want to change it to X1A. You can check on the ROM section of this forum.
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no..
its a chipset issue, there is nothing you can do.
^^^ what he said....
there is no way, I sold my X1i and bought an X1a because I need my HSDPA.
The slower camera framerate doesn't make a diff, I don't take videos with my phone anyways.
what is the difference between Xi1 an X1a
and which one is the latest ?
Few Weeks Back I purchased X1i
and change the ROM to ENERGY ROM .. which was the best Stable ROM SO far.
please suggest
"what is the difference between Xi1 an X1a
and which one is the latest ?"
the cpu is the difference
non of them are the latests
x1i use qualcomm MSM7200a
which support the frequencies used outside of usa and
support 30fps video capture which because of a lawsuit from broadcomm
qualcomm can't offer in usa
x1a use qualcomm MSM7201A
which support the frequencies used inside of usa and
don't support 30fps video capture which because of a lawsuit from broadcomm
qualcomm can't offer in usa
I was just in the USA and I have an X1i. I could make calls just fine with it. If I have it correctly, the only difference is in 3G networks. The x1i uses UMTS 900MHz (amongst others) while in America (not sure if just north or both north and south America) they use the 850MHz band (amongst others). This, however, is a hardware issue that you cannot change.
Luckily, you'll still be able to use the other 3G bands, so you should still be able to get on 3G. Plus, both the X1i and X1a have the same quad band GSM Frequencies that means they are both capable of working on any 2G network in the world.
i have an X1i and live in the united states. i can never, ever connect to 3G, only Edge or HSDPA can be connected to. really it's fine, i'm on HSDPA the majority of the time, especially since i live and work in Los Angeles. and HSDPA is always blazing fast for me, especially at full reception......
I have X1i in Canada. Reflashing US rom makes it reports X1a, but 3G is still not available.
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i have an X1i and live in the united states. i can never, ever connect to 3G, only Edge or HSDPA can be connected to. really it's fine, i'm on HSDPA the majority of the time, especially since i live and work in Los Angeles. and HSDPA is always blazing fast for me, especially at full reception......
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HSDPA is 3g: GPRS is 2G, EDGE is improved 2G; UMTS is 3G and HSDPA is improved 3G.
X1a is 850/1900/2100 Mhz 3G, AT&T uses both 850 and 1900. X1i uses 900/1900/2100 3G.
This means if you are on AT&T you may not get 3G with X1i (depending on the frequencies in your area). If you are on T-Mobile in U.S. then it doesn't matter because they use 1700Mhz 3G and neither X1i or X1a will work on 3G, and they will perform equally well (except for the video framerate issue which has been discussed earlier in this thread).
If you are not in U.S. or Australia (They use 850Mhz also) than get X1i. If you want to be sure you will get 3G service in U.S. on AT&T than get X1a. I think Australian providers all use NextG which is 850Mhz so they will also use X1a.
This is HARDWARE difference. Changing software/ROM will NOT change these frequency differences.
I hope this ends this thread because this has been covered many times in many places, both inside and outside of XDA-Developers.
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HSDPA is 3g: GPRS is 2G, EDGE is improved 2G; UMTS is 3G and HSDPA is improved 3G.
X1a is 850/1900/2100 Mhz 3G, AT&T uses both 850 and 1900. X1i uses 900/1900/2100 3G.
This means if you are on AT&T you may not get 3G with X1i (depending on the frequencies in your area). If you are on T-Mobile in U.S. then it doesn't matter because they use 1700Mhz 3G and neither X1i or X1a will work on 3G, and they will perform equally well (except for the video framerate issue which has been discussed earlier in this thread).
If you are not in U.S. or Australia (They use 850Mhz also) than get X1i. If you want to be sure you will get 3G service in U.S. on AT&T than get X1a. I think Australian providers all use NextG which is 850Mhz so they will also use X1a.
This is HARDWARE difference. Changing software/ROM will NOT change these frequency differences.
I hope this ends this thread because this has been covered many times in many places, both inside and outside of XDA-Developers.
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yes i thought so, that's why i'm always confused as to how i can lock into HSDPA but never 3G. which is fine! it's just that i know i can get 3G in some areas i can't get HSDPA and can only get Edge, which is major slowage action...