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My conclusion is the 8525 upgrade is the end of september,( I know everyone already have wm6). T-mobile, sprint all have new wm6 devices. I believe it will be released before upgrade for 8525 cause of the demand for it. If not I'm thinking around christmas time frame if any.
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My conclusion is the 8525 upgrade is the end of september,( I know everyone already have wm6). T-mobile, sprint all have new wm6 devices. I believe it will be released before upgrade for 8525 cause of the demand for it. If not I'm thinking around christmas time frame if any.
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freeborock,
Please stop starting new threads with unsubstantiated information on when you think the Kaiser "might" be released.
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If so, could you let us know how the WIFI and phone perform?
Thanks
AT&T isn't big this side of the pond, AFAIK.
I do own an unbranded kaiser, and everything is fine, wifi and phone-wise.
Thank you.
How did you purchase it?
Is it possible to do so without being an AT&T customer?
I don't think AT&T are in Europe so you either buy the original HTC TyTN II without a contract or get the branded devices on T-Mobile etc.
Try Mobile Planet / Expansys:
http://www.mobileplanet.com/
Can't, I need a PPC without cameras
Due to corporate policy.
do you have to poke your eyes out, too ?
as i understand it, ATT sells a de-featured kaiser in US ?
Sorry I didn't realise there was a version with no camera!
You won't get an AT&T one in Europe I'm afraid
Something like that...
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do you have to poke your eyes out, too ?
as i understand it, ATT sells a de-featured kaiser in US ?
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Yes, they do. But AFAIK the only feature missing is the cameras.
In addition, I understand that AT&T have pre-loaded all sort of demo apps etc to ROM, which lower the amount of free memory, but I assume this is solved by installing the regular Kaiser ROM or any other cooked ROM.
I don't have any experience in this, so I'm slowly going over the many excellent posts here.
When at&t released the 8525 we also had a 8500 which was a cameraless version. Precisely why these exist in this context, I can't say. The Tilt's internal designation is the 8925 and I now see that an 8900 is available for order from our internal equipment catalog. I can see if I can get my hands on one for you if you like?
That would be very helpful.
What is the cost?
Thanks!
Hello everyone,
I'm debating on upgrading to a Kaiser in the very near future, and I was just looking for suggestions as to where people in the USA have bought their Kaisers. Whenever I do google searches, I find plenty of places that sell them oversees, primarily in the U.K. so my questions is, where are U.S. owners getting their Kaiser's from?
I have T-mobile service, and am not interested in the AT&T Tilt, which is apparently a version of the Kaiser? I'm looking for the full blown version of the Kaiser, with the GPS and whatever other goodies are included.
Thank you for your help,
IIRC, the only difference really between the Tilt and the Kaiser, is that the Kaiser contains a frontside camera.
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Hello everyone,
I'm debating on upgrading to a Kaiser in the very near future, and I was just looking for suggestions as to where people in the USA have bought their Kaisers. Whenever I do google searches, I find plenty of places that sell them oversees, primarily in the U.K. so my questions is, where are U.S. owners getting their Kaiser's from?
I have T-mobile service, and am not interested in the AT&T Tilt, which is apparently a version of the Kaiser? I'm looking for the full blown version of the Kaiser, with the GPS and whatever other goodies are included.
Thank you for your help,
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Uh, the Tilt has the GPS and other "goodies". If you wanna add stuff later or flash a new ROM, go to an at&t store and get one.
well, I would much rather get an actual Kaiser than a Tilt. That's why I was looking for feedback from American users who have Kaiser's and where to get them through American dealers. I would much rather order it nationally, than ordering one from oversees if possible.
try amazon.... thats the only place i can really think of...
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-P4550-II-...sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1202781885&sr=8-1
good luck
They only sell tilts in the U.S. Tilts are greatly cheaper than Tytn IIs. Only place you could get the phone you want in the U.S. is some black market.
Why would you want the Kaiser over the Tilt? You can't make video calls yet here in the states so the front facing cam is the only difference.
Not sure why you feel that you have to have the Kaiser. The only thing I'm missing is the front camera - which is a VGA cam meant for the video phone feature which you cannot use in the US. Played with the Kaiser before I bought the Tilt and decided the extra $500+ wasn't even close to worth it (you can find subsidized Tilts for well under $200 - got mine for $150 after rebate in early November). Obviously your decision to make, but I am not missing out on anything but the higher expense. I flash, I cook, I TomTom, I take pictures and video, I get HSDPA virtually everywhere I go.
Try AT&T Premiere and Egghead/Amazon for Tilt deals to help you compare against the Kaisers you find. FWIW.
ebay
a little surprised that there are about 5 replies and not one mentioned ebay.
wouldn't that give you the most options?
Just type "kaiser -tilt" on ebay which will ensure that no entry with tilt is shown (may also leave out some other kaisers but atleast will get you started). I did a search and 9 came up.
Good luck.
I got my Kaiser from an importer off of ebay. I was a very early adopter so I paid a lot for it, but I too wanted a real HTC Kaiser and not a ATT Tilt.
(you can find subsidized Tilts for well under $200 - got mine for $150 after rebate in early November).
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Are you meaning you can find it for $200 with a plan? Because I can't find it unlocked for less than about $350......
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Are you meaning you can find it for $200 with a plan? Because I can't find it unlocked for less than about $350......
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You don't need to buy it unlocked already. Those are scams since its free to unlock. Buy a Tilt, come here and unlock it for free. You'll need to read how when you get it. Use search too.
http://www.expansys-usa.com/
http://www.expansys-usa.com/p.aspx?i=151727
Never had a problem with them.
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Unless you're particularly averse to signing up for a new 2-year contract with AT&T, you can pick up a Tilt for really cheap.
Just ordered mine today for $54.99 (refurbished, w/ 2-year contract but only for the basic voice plan ~$40, using A&T coupon codes I got off the internet).
I paid $370 (including shipping) for my tilt. Bought from ebay. Then i unlocked and customized, etc.....
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You don't need to buy it unlocked already. Those are scams since its free to unlock. Buy a Tilt, come here and unlock it for free. You'll need to read how when you get it. Use search too.
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I still don't see any that are locked for cheaper than $300.....
duprade said:
Hello everyone,
I'm debating on upgrading to a Kaiser in the very near future, and I was just looking for suggestions as to where people in the USA have bought their Kaisers. Whenever I do google searches, I find plenty of places that sell them oversees, primarily in the U.K. so my questions is, where are U.S. owners getting their Kaiser's from?
I have T-mobile service, and am not interested in the AT&T Tilt, which is apparently a version of the Kaiser? I'm looking for the full blown version of the Kaiser, with the GPS and whatever other goodies are included.
Thank you for your help,
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Umm there's almost no difference between AT&T TIlt and Kaiser. TIlt has everything (yes, including GPS) but front-side camera (which u dont need in US, frankly).
If I were u, I'd dump T-mobile and switch to AT&T. I got a brand new (not refurb.) Tilt with 2 year contract for $150 USD. Can't beat that. Besides, I get unlimited HSDPA for $20/month (I get around 50-60 KB/sec where I work).
Got the Tilt from ebay shipped for ~$400. I asked my friend to get an unlocked code from ATT so it is free.
i agree with DarkDvr, ditch tmo, and get a tilt from at&t. i got a refurbed one for $150......the second camera is not worth that extra 400-500 imo. besides, if you really wanted that front camera........it may be possible to just plug one in, just like how some ppl were doing it with their 8525, but that all depends if the port is there on the tilt, i havent looked into that yet, so i dont know
Ive been with T-mobile for about 15 yrs.... so I don't want to just ditch tmo.
I don't know why I feel so inclined to buy an actual HTC than the AT&T Tilt... maybe it's a pride thing! Don't want my phone to have at&t all over it ... just HTC
What's up guys.
Well Unfortunately, but fortunately for others, I broke my HTC S710 screen so I am in need of an new cellphone. I am switching forum sections now hahaha.
I was looking to purchase this phone, as I heard with a few tweaks (ROM Flash, registry tweaks), it's phenomenal.
Where could I purchase this phone in Canada (internet or store or wtv). I know in stores, the price will probably be excessive, so I'm looking for stores online where you bought yours from!
Rogers is offer the NAM 3G version @$199 with 3yr contract. Check their web site.
Yea was about to get it, but 199$ is for new customers only...
For me they said if i wanted to get it, 349.99+tx/3yr... screw that
edit: it's all about finding the right person who's willing to do it
Hey everyone, It's been really interesting reading the comments here, especially regarding T-Mobile and their riduclous failure to release the phone properly. I have a question about my new upgrade to the TD2...
I am just finishing a contract with Orange - one of the reasons I went with them is because they always have the HTC handsets and I love them. I called up to ask if they were getting it in and told they didn't know. I then asked for my PAC code and the guy at retentions (whose job is to stop me leaving) asked me why. I informed him that I am extremely particular about which handset I get and T-Mobile have it whilst Orange don't. He then had the nerve to argue with me! He kept telling me that only Orange get HTC phones, it's an exclusive contract, etc. I calmly told him that it was an HTC phone that T-Mobile were getting but rebranded. Our conversation went something like:
"Why are you leaving Orange after 7 years?"
"Because I want the HTC Touch Diamond2 and you don't have it."
"Neither do T-Mobile."
"Yes, they do."
"No they don't." rolleyes
"Really, they do. It's called the MDA Compact 5."
"I'm looking at their website right now and it's not listed there"
"I know it isn't. But there are numerous press releases confirming it, not to mention I just spoke to them personally."
"Are you thinking of the G1?"
"NO. It's the HTC Diamond 2."
"Only Orange have HTC phones. It's exclusive."
...etc until I lost patience and told him that this was one of the reasons I was leaving Orange.
I have always been someone who attaches to a network directly rather than through a reseller, but I've discovered that some of these online places like MobilePhonesDirect do rather better deals for new contracts than the networks themselves do. I was thinking of the 18 month Combi 30 + WnW - the handset would be free which is better than T-Mob do themselves! (http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/HTC/b509/n447/p10957.aspx)
My question is, given that I'm giving up on 7 years-worth of loyalty bonuses, would it be better to go to T-Mob via MPD or go direct and pay more for the handset? Am I at any disadvantage from buying from a reseller?
Cheers for your help!
I left Orange aeons ago, after running with them for 18 months with my Tytn 1; their data packages were laughable then (4 pounds a month for 5MB) and although are better now, still pathetic compared to other operators. No idea why they don't sort out their attitudes towards data given the fact they carry internet phones.
Anyway, original question - a D2 off ebay is between £350-400; got mine for £380. I now have a 30 day rolling contract for £17 from O2 - 600 mins, 1200 texts, unlimited web. The maths doesn't support it really - you can get a D2 on a similar contract for £25 a month on a 24 month contract (£600 in total) - compared to my independantly bought handset and contract (£788 if carried for 24 months), I've shafted myself.
On the other hand, I was desparate for a new phone; I'd had a Kaiser for 18 months on T-Mobile (who 3 weeks ago said they would not be doing the HTC Diamond 2 (cretins for not knowing their Vario V is the D2)), and my credit checks wouldn't let me have the D2 on O2.
Also, this does mean I can get the next "must have" phone on contract instead of having to wait 2 years for an upgrade.
i got the touch diamond 2 for free on a 24month contract 600 minutes talk time any network and unlimited text any network for £25 a month its an O2 contract but arranged through i think it mobiles.co.uk just search for touch diamond 2 deals on google. Also first 7months are half price
Cool, thanks for the info. What I was wondering is if it makes any difference going through a reseller regarding upgrades. So, let's say I got an 18 month contract on T-Mobile via one of the reseller sites. Could I then call up T-Mobile and negotiate directly with them for a new contract and phone? And would it make a difference that I didn't originally go directly with them?
I had been a customer of O2 for 10 years when I decided to leave to get my mitts on a TD2.
The loyalty only goes so far so I wasn't too fussed to leave. I also had to jump networks to get the best deals from an online reseller (for some reason staying with the same provider yields much worse deals).
I had been on a £15pcm Simplicity tariff with the web bolt-on since my previous phone went out of contract.
I went with the 18 months T-Mobile Combi 30 + WnW plan from Mobilephonesdirect. Had it a month now and pleased as punch. A few advantages of going through a reseller (especially the mobilephones direct deal)
1 - The phone is unlocked and unbranded so when that Windows Mobile 6.5 goodness(?) is released as promised by HTC I won't have to wait and if in 17 months time I want to change provider then I can keep the phone and get a cheap SIM only tariff.
2 - The deals are more competitive. If I'd bought an unbranded TD2 outright and kept my O2 tariff I'd be paying over the odds compared to the "free" handset offered by MPD over the life of the contract. If I'd waited and gone with the T-Mobile version I'm pretty sure I'd be paying three figures for the handset.
3 - With MPDs £50 of accessories offer you can get a 16Gb card for £25 (Yes I know the fact that they charge £75 for it isn't the cheapest, but in real terms it still has only cost me £25 and I now have oodles of storage for MP3s, etc)
4 - My ongoing contract is directly with T-Mobile not MPD so I can start building some T-Mobile "loyalty"
TBH T-Mobile works better than O2 in some places and worse in others to the extent that I think they just about balance out. Just odd to get cut off in the car in places that weren't a problem and then be able to carry on in longstanding O2 blackspots!
My tuppence.
Niall
Informator said:
Hey everyone, It's been really interesting reading the comments here, especially regarding T-Mobile and their riduclous failure to release the phone properly. I have a question about my new upgrade to the TD2...
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"Only Orange have HTC phones. It's exclusive."
My question is, given that I'm giving up on 7 years-worth of loyalty bonuses, would it be better to go to T-Mob via MPD or go direct and pay more for the handset? Am I at any disadvantage from buying from a reseller?
Cheers for your help!
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Amazing isn't it... I bought my D2 from mobile phones direct and it's been a perfect experience so far. I actually ordered the phone on the day it came out and was absolutely amazed when it turned up next day, on a Saturday morning.
I'm on the Combi 30+ WnW and the account is with T-Mobile. It appeared on my existing T-Mobile account page on the web. I assume I'll start building loyalty with them again. The phone was free and there was £50 of freebies so bought 8GB card and car charger. ExpanSys charged £50 for the phone and no freebies.
It was rather amusing when I cancelled my old contact and got through to the inertible loyalty team. At least they were english. I tried to point out that I wasn't really leaving T-Mobile, just going sideways. And only did it because T-Mobile didn't (at the time) offer the phone.
So go for it!
Cheers, Rob.
I'm another happy MobilesPhonesDirect.com customer and the asnwer to your main question is yes: you will be a t-mobile customer like any other.
Tony
Wow! Thanks everyone so much for your responses, that's really helped me cement my choice. I really appreciate your feedback. On the strength of this I am going to purchase it on T-Mob via MPD as soon as my stupid PAC code comes through.
Thanks again!
Why not go through carphone warehouse and get the TD2 on orange
you wont loose your loyalty bonuses !!
i dont see what the issue is ?
carphone warehouse will do it for u on orange it will come unlocked to all netwoerks without the stupid operator branding. Am with orange and did mine at the carphone warehouse.
Good Luck buddy
There's no point me going through the Carphone Warehouse as they'd set me up with a new contract, which would defeat the point of having loyalty with Orange. For new contracts, T-Mobile definitely win with the TD2.
Having said all this, Orange did say they'll be launching the Touch Pro 2 soon, so there's always the option of getting that (hopefully free) then selling it on eBay and buying a sim-free TD2 instead. It never gets any easier to make choices, especially now that 18 months seems normal.
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What's the data plan like on Orange though?
When I was looking to jump ship and was looking at operators direct (as well as through resellers) I found Vodafone and Orange's websites to be almost cryptic as to what, if any, data bundles were included or available seperately.
Pretty useless when your wanting a phone that elevates itself to Smartphone status by virtue of it's many data using features!
When I bought via MPD I went with T-Mobile over the Voda offers purely for the better (and clearer explained...) data tariff. T-Mobile are certainly one of the more progressive operators when it comes to data, and who ever you get your TD2 from or through, be sure that to get the best from the handset you have a good voice AND data plan!
Though I have now learned that my last bill has £6odd on it for simply checking voicemail.......
Niall
A good point - Orange will throw in their data bundle if I stay with them, which at 500MB isn't as good as T-Mobile's 1GB but would be enough for my needs.
The question for me now is do I wait for Orange to give me a good deal and a Touch Pro I can sell, or jump ship to T-Mobile and risk ending up paying much more?
Decisions, decisions...
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Wow! Thanks everyone so much for your responses, that's really helped me cement my choice. I really appreciate your feedback. On the strength of this I am going to purchase it on T-Mob via MPD as soon as my stupid PAC code comes through.
Thanks again!
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Ohh I gave up trying to transfer my PAC code across. It just too much like hard work as I was going from T-Mobile to T-Mobile. The process was request PAC code from T-Mobile, obtain a PAYG SIM with another provider, give them the PAC code and transfer the number to PAYG. Wait a while (!) and then go through the process again to transfer back to T-Mobile.
Of course, each time you want that PAC code they bamboozle you with crap and you'd have to work through the retentions team. They kept going on about end periods, charges etc (T-Mobile this is).
I was expecting to end up without a number at all!
All of this must be complete bull**** as I can see BOTH my accounts on T-Mobile web page so they are on the same computer system with the same provider.
In the end, I simply emailed/text all my friends with the new number. That was far less hassle.
It's things like this that still give the mobile providers a really bad name. Ohh and the fact that I had go through this pain with an Indian call centre at the start and they failed to transfer me three times to retentions.
And to further add salt into the wound, I rang up when I first got my new phone in T-Mobile and they said "Ohh, you can't cancel until 17th June without a charge as that's when the contract runs out". So I duly created a task in Outlook on 17th June to cancel and they said "But of course, you've just paid for another month"...
Charletons the lot of them! ;-)
Cheers, Rob.
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Why not go through carphone warehouse and get the TD2 on orange
you wont loose your loyalty bonuses !!
i dont see what the issue is ?
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Because if they are anything like T-Mobile, this will be classed as a new contract.
Rob.
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A good point - Orange will throw in their data bundle if I stay with them, which at 500MB isn't as good as T-Mobile's 1GB but would be enough for my needs.
The question for me now is do I wait for Orange to give me a good deal and a Touch Pro I can sell, or jump ship to T-Mobile and risk ending up paying much more?
Decisions, decisions...
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I think T-Mobile on Combi 30+ wnk is unlimited, fair use...
Rob.
Both Orange and T-Mobile are "unlimited", but last I checked thir fair use policy was 500MB for Orange, 1Gb for T-Mobile. (And 200MB for O2, out of interest.)