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Not to start vaguely but I'm not very impressed. The interface is subpar; from both the touch standpoint and shortcut. It does seem to be better than IE, though.
please die. why would u feel the need to post this in kaiser? why not GENERAL on the site not kaiser..
cuboosh said:
please die. why would u feel the need to post this in kaiser? why not GENERAL on the site not kaiser..
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A mistake because I'm used to only browsing this forum. Way to overreact, dufus.
Is there a mod who can move it or should I repost?
Now Now Children. Play nice.
You got to try the Skyfire Beta? I've been on the waiting list forever.
Hows it run on your Kaiser?
JimmyMcGee said:
Now Now Children. Play nice.
You got to try the Skyfire Beta? I've been on the waiting list forever.
Hows it run on your Kaiser?
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If you mean specifically performance, I'd say it's quite acceptable so far. I don't have any hard numbers nor have I tried heavy video but it's pretty good in that regard. My gripes are mainly with usability. When I start the app (and it is an app you can't tab out of, must exit) it takes about 5-10 seconds to load and then begins in a "Featured" tab you can see from their screenshots. What it should be, in my opinion, is either an actual home page or my bookmark list. I couldn't care less about any of those featured tabs and resent being forced to default there. I can only bookmark a page I'm at right now, I can't edit the URL or add one in manually. I also can't rename bookmarks which means something like CNN becomes "CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather..." on the screen. Sometimes I want to pan the page by touch and it decides to zoom instead. It's not properly responsive to touch, at least not on my Tilt.
I'm uncomfortable with the fact that all my traffic is flowing through a third party's servers. I don't know these people from a hole in the wall and that is a LOT of trust to ask for. Do they really think I'll be checking my bank statement via their server? I'll switch to something like Opera 9.5 (if it ever comes out) because I just can't bring myself to sign into anything important via Skyfire.
actually I have been using it for the past week. To even compare it with IE is rediculous. The interface is clean and uncluttered. It works flawlessly. Literally almost ANY type of content works flawlessly....youtube videos, etc. I even went to Fox and watched their "on-demand" programming right on my Kaiser. I've been very impressed so far and this is only a beta I am using.
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If you mean specifically performance, I'd say it's quite acceptable so far. I don't have any hard numbers nor have I tried heavy video but it's pretty good in that regard. My gripes are mainly with usability. When I start the app (and it is an app you can't tab out of, must exit) it takes about 5-10 seconds to load and then begins in a "Featured" tab you can see from their screenshots. What it should be, in my opinion, is either an actual home page or my bookmark list. I couldn't care less about any of those featured tabs and resent being forced to default there. I can only bookmark a page I'm at right now, I can't edit the URL or add one in manually. I also can't rename bookmarks which means something like CNN becomes "CNN.com - Breaking News, U.S., World, Weather..." on the screen. Sometimes I want to pan the page by touch and it decides to zoom instead. It's not properly responsive to touch, at least not on my Tilt.
I'm uncomfortable with the fact that all my traffic is flowing through a third party's servers. I don't know these people from a hole in the wall and that is a LOT of trust to ask for. Do they really think I'll be checking my bank statement via their server? I'll switch to something like Opera 9.5 (if it ever comes out) because I just can't bring myself to sign into anything important via Skyfire.
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I was afraid it might be slow.
Yes that's my concern as well I don't like these Proxy One Like Skyfire. I'm not saying I run around wearing a Foil Hat But I don't like that it Goes from A to B via C. The more hand offs the more vulnerable I feel. Thats also why I ahven't picked a IM program yet. I want to know which are through their servers and which has direct connect.
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actually I have been using it for the past week. To even compare it with IE is rediculous. The interface is clean and uncluttered. It works flawlessly. Literally almost ANY type of content works flawlessly....youtube videos, etc. I even went to Fox and watched their "on-demand" programming right on my Kaiser. I've been very impressed so far and this is only a beta I am using.
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Im with you on this i have been using it for about a month now with little issues. Only problem i have is we now stay in an edge only area so its a little slow rendering some pages. I use it for surfing but still use IE if im checking my accounts. I think it's works very well. I have used opera's new beta and netfront and even in its current version i like the skyfire better. They are adding new features also according to the email they sent me.
Later
I have been a Windows Mobile user for quite some time. I was a lurker in these thread begining in the 2002 & then Blue Angel days. I didn't really start try to contribute until the Kaiser came around. By this time I had spent 2 years watching, learning & reading. I also still consider myself very much new to CE & embeded devices.
One of the biggest complaints, the highest number of posts revolve around program compatibility issues with roms, both OEM & chef prepared.
One of the things most overlooked is the effect that installed programs can have upon each other. But it's not just the apps themselves that can cause issues.
Did you know that apps can both work or not work depending on the order they were installed? Have you ever wondered why a certain program just works for most, but not for you?
Before jumping to conclusions & thinking it must be something that the chef did that prevents you from using that favorite application, think about all of the programs you install & realize that many of them have to interact with parts of the OS at the same time & each program affects both the system & registry & hence can also affect each other in turn.
I have seen suggestions from others, particularly Kyphur, suggesting you to start over with installs. This is good solid advice. Install a few, see that they work & keep a few notes on the order of installation & what has issues when.
One point often overlooked, is that the order in which you install programs can have a great & varied effect on what works & what doesn't.
For instance, I know that with some Dutty roms that my favorite SIP, Teksoft FingerTouch, will not work if I install it before SPB Pocket Plus. I haev issues with BlackBerry Connect many times if I don't install it as one of my first applications.
You need to remember, that these roms are written by many different people. The are partly written by the Manufacturer, partly by Microsoft, influenced by OEM's & carriers, altered by chefs & then you are installing a dozen programs written by at least that number of developers. That leaves a lot of variables in which something can very easily go wrong.
Know your applications, always install your priority apps first, & don't install a high number of apps manually without a reset. You are much more likely to have issues mass installing apps than you are when you install a few, soft-reset, test them out & then continue your installation process.
Today alone, I had 6 messages about programs not working. For a few of these I installed the same rom, & after changing the installation order, I had no issues.
There are too many variables in these systems & their programs to think you can just install everything the same & always have it all work. Sometimes you need to take a little initiative & try something new, a different way.
The same can be said for Auto installers, UC & Shashimi. Installation order can make a difference. Now hopefully I get a few less messages about this, LOL, yeah right.
Great post and contribution as always. I just wonder how many people will actually read this.
My thoughts exactly as I happened to be online during Leo's Diamond v.1 feeding frenzy and the day the TyTn II update came out. Then reading the follow up soon later. Such as wait a minute, this is crap. It doesn't work with Igo , It doesn't work with HHC and on and on. Like Leo or HTC was supposed to load every obscure piece of kit ,to make sure that all of you could load your phones with garbage and they will still work as smooth as day one.
A little prethought and common sense go a long way. Well said GSLEON.
Edit: And congrats AllTheWay on the promo.Well deserved
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Great post and contribution as always. I just wonder how many people will actually read this.
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I read it makes sense too
-McMex
Great post! Now to get the noobs to read...
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This is good solid advice.
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It most certainly is. I didn't know this info before. Thanks GS.
i've read it
footnotes please? lol j/k
Seriously great post how many will read. Make sticky!!!
thanks for the post
Great information GSLeon (as usual). That's why I prefer clean/lite ROMs, and installing the apps myself. I didn't know the reason - just noticed I had less (ie no) problems doing it my way. Now I know why!
This is also basic troubleshooting... This is exactly why when you come to a thread asking for help (particularly cooked roms) the first question the chef will usually ask is:
What all have you, or what do you have installed...
Most chefs wont even begin to consider YOUR issue a problem until this base has been covered. Installation of programs is the #1 cause of issues when dealing with the billion variable cooked roms.
My best advice is to actually spend the time knowing your programs, know what they depend on, know what goes where (kinda like sex ed). If you want everything to work straight out of the box without any fine tuning then your probably in the wrong place!
Excellent Post!!!
Thanks for the info GSLEON!!!!
I have had my Tilt since Oct 07......having never owned a Windows based product ever before I read this forum like is was war and peace.....also never creating a thread just searching, searching, searching!
I have ran into this before and have a word doc with the order to install when flashing anew
Thanks for the great post and all of your help in the past.
I agree with most of what you're saying GS except for one instance that is messing with me. I jus bought a TyTn II to replace my water damaged Tilt. I bought it here from the U.S. but the box says Singapore. I flashed the WM6.1 update and everything is cool except for the HTC weather. This is a HTC application and they should have gotten it right b4 releasing the Rom. Things that come STANDARD with an OEM ROM should automatically work. All the 3rd party stuff that you said I do agree with. Now, anybody know how to fix this little issue?
Well said! Consider myself as wery fresh on CE, this can probobly be repeated to the even more advance user as it is easy to forget that every brick plays a part on how the device acts. When I am starting on a new rom the first 2-3 days goes to the setup, alot of testing and hard resets. Its easy to forgett the fact: what worked yestoday on duttys rom does not automaticly work today on Laurentius26 (or any other chefs) rom.
http://www.pandora.com
It's by far the best customizable web radio that I've found. I've gotten 7 or 8 good stations all trained up (it works like Tivo's suggestions, which you can vote thumbs-up or thumbs-down to, and learns as you go), and on QuickMix it's like my ultimate radio station.
So I'd love to be able to take it with me on my new Tilt.
It's basically just a Flash player in a browser, but from all my Googling it appears to be pretty difficult to get working.
Anyone have any luck with it?
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Raketemensch
Have you tried Skyfire??? Seems like it will be the only browser that allows this interface as of now
I have been waiting on someone to help port it to the Kaiser..really love pandora.com
I used to have a motivation to play about with this as i was a big Pandora fan... but then they blocked access outside the US and bothering to find a decent US based proxy to bounce it through just seemed like too much hassle...
Would be good to hear if a PDA version worked now (i never managed to get it going in the past) - it might inspire me to start bouncing traffic about a bit more!
I love Pandora. I listen frequently on my PC. They currently have 16 AT&T phones with the ability to listen. I don't know what it takes to get this to work but I want it too!
I was on a quest to get this working once but never found a solution. If someone knows how, please come forward!
I guess Pandora requries Flash 8, and we've only got Flash 7 available.
So now that they have an iphone pandora app, will that facilitate the migration of that tool to WM? Let's not mention the giant crap that pandora just took on all WM users by putting out an iphone app after years of neglecting the mobile world.
This outta do the trick
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330351
but that's for last.fm
nothing for pandora.com???
man.... i dun get why they write code for 16 diff phones from diff manufactures and not write 1 for the windows mo os....
As you said Pandora, and Last.fm are completely different, and while last.fm has one advantage over pandora in that they have comedy on there, pandora still has them beat hands down...... I just don't get how pandora is going to put out an app for ONE phone... I was thinking before the iphone app that the networks were legally keeping them from releasing a mobile app to keep the traffic off the network but now that's been blown out of the water.
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but that's for last.fm
nothing for pandora.com???
man.... i dun get why they write code for 16 diff phones from diff manufactures and not write 1 for the windows mo os....
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Any update on this?
I see there's little new information regarding www.pandora.com on the Tilt. Is there a widget somewhere or perhaps a registry change to allow this to work?
pandora for windows mobile is here
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http://www.pandora.com
It's by far the best customizable web radio that I've found. I've gotten 7 or 8 good stations all trained up (it works like Tivo's suggestions, which you can vote thumbs-up or thumbs-down to, and learns as you go), and on QuickMix it's like my ultimate radio station.
So I'd love to be able to take it with me on my new Tilt.
It's basically just a Flash player in a browser, but from all my Googling it appears to be pretty difficult to get working.
Anyone have any luck with it?
Thanks,
Raketemensch
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pandora is here at last for windows mobile and works great fast clear streamin even in poor service areas
heres the link http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=48458&highlight=pandora
I just switched over to Android (rls11 of Incubus's great build) from WinMo 6.1 a few days ago. I love the snappy and slick interface. Web browsing is easier and I like the Market. One thing I'm sorely missing, though, is the use of Notes. I loved being able to whip out the stylus and just write/draw whatever the heck I want. It comes in handy when playing party games where I use it as an impromptu scratchpad to keep score.
Afaik, android is developed for capacitance based touchscreens, so I may be out of luck. Does anyone know of any comparable apps for android where using the stylus is encouraged?
Also, phone-as-modem. Or as WinMo called it, Internet Connection Sharing. Is there equivalent functionality in Froyo?
I love the UI of Android, but I may have to switch back. Please don't make me go back.
did you look in the marketplace? There are tons of note taking apps, many of them are free.. I use AK notes as it allows you to create widgets on your desktop of previous notes.
I did look. I must've downloaded nearly ten of them. None allowed freehand input using the stylus. All needed text input via the on-screen keyboards. After the 7th one or so I got frustrated and decided to just ask here, hoping to save time. does AK notes allow input with the stylus?
I know exactly what you're talking about, I loved that app too..
Honestly not sure if you can type notes with the stylus.
Did you try evernote not that I have checked yet
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as for the phone-as-modem, use PdaNet, it's worked perfectly for me so far, although you have to buy the paid version to be able to type passwords I.E. Email
i have not tried pdanet. I don't like the idea of preinstalling a program on my puter for it to work. I was hoping that there was something that i just did not know about. as for the notes program, i found some sketching programs, but this pales in comparison to Notes. still looking. The lack of phone-as-modem is a deal-killer. I travel a lot and my phone is the only source for internet. Even if I were to settle with pdanet, afaik, it does not work on the distribution of linux that i have. I hate to say it, but i may have to reflash to WinMo.
The lack of Notes, i could live without, but phone-as-modem is essential. I may start a new thread on this, if I haven't found anything yet.
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i have not tried pdanet. I don't like the idea of preinstalling a program on my puter for it to work. I was hoping that there was something that i just did not know about. as for the notes program, i found some sketching programs, but this pales in comparison to Notes. still looking. The lack of phone-as-modem is a deal-killer. I travel a lot and my phone is the only source for internet. Even if I were to settle with pdanet, afaik, it does not work on the distribution of linux that i have. I hate to say it, but i may have to reflash to WinMo.
The lack of Notes, i could live without, but phone-as-modem is essential. I may start a new thread on this, if I haven't found anything yet.
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Easy tether is what I use and it works great.
Hello All,
I have two small App Idea's that I want to implement on the Windows Phone 8 platform. The problem is I'm a little unsure where to start for resources.
The issue however is that for all the Dev resources MS has given us, they mostly start at weird points and has no or little impact on where I want to, or figured one should start. So stuff like, setting up a DB, or Using an Azure Server etc.
If not that, most other help I've found have been off point starting as well. XDA's own vids start off with OAuth etc, which are all great, but I'm not even near there yet for what I want to do.
Most other guides, like even MS's own recent JumpStart videos all hop and skip over certain things. So you're following along (Or I'm trying to) and they jump forward, skip tasks and pull out pre-done code so I assume I need different foundation before I can jump in at their stage.
So, I have my idea of what I want to do, buttons, calculator, lists. But I don't know how to start from some basic things. And I am a little reluctant to jump in to what they have for WP7 cuz I don't want to use anything that's been deprecated.
Thanks in advance for any and all help.
Check out LinkedIn. I started a group a long time ago for Windows Phone developers and enthusiasts. It's filled with programmers, Microsoft people, and there's lots of good references and people to ask.
McHale said:
Check out LinkedIn. I started a group a long time ago for Windows Phone developers and enthusiasts. It's filled with programmers, Microsoft people, and there's lots of good references and people to ask.
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Thanks for the reply, any specific link to this LinkedIn... I gotta admit, I never thought of LinkedIn as a place for help in this kind of thing...
As an update though, I already have started on the app I had in mind and now have some specific "How-do-I" questions, but undure where to post these. Thanks again however.
Here's the group. There are some pretty active members who are programmers.
http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=124767
-Mc
As weird as it may sound: I would suggest you get a beginners book on programming C# on the Desktop. That way you should learn to program from the ground up and get a solid foundation on how the language works (classes, properties, attributes, events, etc.)
Everything else later on is different libraries you will use. That is what most of the introductory videos are about. They show you which classes you use for certain functionality, how you properly wire everything up so it works together.
When you have the basics of how C# works (and most current programming languages like Java but also Objective-C or C++ share the same concepts although there are differences) the best way would be to start with a small project and ask questions when you get stuck or first have a look at StackOverflow if the same question has already been asked and answered.
Teaching someone how to program from the ground up in a forum only rarely works in my experience. But the previous poster might have had different experiences.