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ThunderHawk,Skyfire,Opera mini Alternative?

Ok we've all seen Thunderhawk,Opera-mini and the famous/infamous Skyfire (why no europe yet? grr)
Anyways, these browsers aquire your requested page on a proxy server at some location, render it there and send you whats basically an image of that rendering. That's all nice and all but in some cases Country locked services wont work on a proxy server in another country. E.g. Opera-mini's proxy seems to be located in Norway, so lets say your using a service like Pandora mobile (not that I do is US locked) you cant see it on your phone because it thinks your in Norway.
There are other services that act weird when you want to proxy them.
So back to my point. Is there any software out there that lets you do this on your own server/home PC? i.e something that can download a webpage, render it and sent it on in a mobile readable way

I've been using UCWeb lately. It doesn't render pages well all the time, but it's fast as hell. It's great for news, etc. and there is a .cab for both Smartphone and PPC.

jagnet said:
So back to my point. Is there any software out there that lets you do this on your own server/home PC? i.e something that can download a webpage, render it and sent it on in a mobile readable way
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I don't think you're going to get that unless someone on XDA makes it. Companies like Opera and Skyfire Labs aren't going to let you choose your proxy because they'll use those stats for targeting ads towards you. They can say they won't all they want but that's really hard to believe seeing as tho that's how they can make money off of free products. Letting your use your own server or (even worse in their eyes) your home pc disconnects that revenue stream.

jagnet said:
So back to my point. Is there any software out there that lets you do this on your own server/home PC? i.e something that can download a webpage, render it and sent it on in a mobile readable way
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Besides the ones you mentioned? No, there isn't. You could write your own, I assume that in Linux it wouldn't be too hard to write a program to render a page, capture an image, and then send it somewhere. However, you would have to write your own browser software for the PPC. Chances are, anything you came up with would be a lot buggier and less feature rich than something like Skyfire.
The inherent limitation of "re-rendered" mobile browsers is speed. Chances are, Skyfire's servers and internet connection are a whole lot faster than your home PC's. If you want speed, use Opera Mini or Opera Mobile.

i use pie but i switch between netfront and both versions of opera(not mini) depending on what i'm doing.most of my usage stays with netfront though.

Jozer99 said:
Besides the ones you mentioned? No, there isn't. You could write your own, I assume that in Linux it wouldn't be too hard to write a program to render a page, capture an image, and then send it somewhere. However, you would have to write your own browser software for the PPC. Chances are, anything you came up with would be a lot buggier and less feature rich than something like Skyfire.
The inherent limitation of "re-rendered" mobile browsers is speed. Chances are, Skyfire's servers and internet connection are a whole lot faster than your home PC's. If you want speed, use Opera Mini or Opera Mobile.
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Hmm sounds interesting. Pity, my programming experience isn't great for Linux or WinMo.... But with the imminent release of Android on a HTC (any day now we're led to believe) perhaps some one will develop such a system? It'd be nice.
I even wouldn't mind paying a developer for just such a system
As for connection speed at home, not a problem, I have a 20-50Mb cable and 100Mb fibre connection . Also at the rate DSL and cable speeds are increasing these days (at least in cites) I don't think connection speed would be a major issue.
Another nice idea for skyfire,opera etc would be localised proxy servers.

Unlimited web access : what to do ?

Hi,
I subscribed to an unlimited web access (not emails) with my kaiser.
What would you do with this ?
Which software using the web would you install ?
(for example weather app,...)
Thanks
david

Obvious answer would be to browse the internet whenever you wanted. There are several weather programs out there ranging from SPB to the plugin in HTC Home and find the one that suits you best (not a big weather fan but i just use the HTC Home one when i want to find out anything about the weather).

Thanks
Of course, web browsing is one of the use I like
The weather soft is installed, it was an example ; it was the kind of software I did not install before in order to avoid network fees...
But now, I can install whatever I want using the network, I do not care ;-)

You can get GoogleMapMobile and use your GPS like all the time, while being in your country . No need of GPS software.

Couple of network dependent apps I like are;
Skyfire (browser, currently in beta) renders pages really well, and supports java, flash, silverlight, etc for the 'full web experience'
Microsoft Live Search or Google Maps (I prefer Live Search for it's additional enhancements including voice command)
MSN Messenger
Skype

mjcalvey said:
Couple of network dependent apps I like are;
Skyfire (browser, currently in beta) renders pages really well, and supports java, flash, silverlight, etc for the 'full web experience'
Microsoft Live Search or Google Maps (I prefer Live Search for it's additional enhancements including voice command)
MSN Messenger
Skype
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Argh I envy you having Skyfire.. I didn't get into the beta program, any chance you could send me a copy to try out?? Not a chance if it's keyed I guess, but if not I'd very much appreciate it ;-)
I condone Google Maps as an excellent program for use on the Kaiser if you have unlimited nets, I use it as free GPS navigation software. Excellent because if you want to find a contact's address you can look it up straight from Google Maps.
Also, Opera Mini is THE browser to use if you aren't lucky enough to have Skyfire. It decimates PIE in page load times as (like Skyfire) web content is compressed at the server side before being sent to your phone, and the interface is intuitive and easy to use. No flash unfortunately, but for reading news sites, browsing xda-dev (of course) or any other generic web use it's perfect.

I got into the Skyfire beta yesterday using phelps8 as the code. Haven't used it too much yet, but impressed so far.

Yeah to sign up;
http://www.skyfire.com/sign-up/ and enter the code phelps8
Good luck.

Skyfire is the best browser out there, and it is Free!!. like google maps Skyfire has a working street view.

I also have weather panel with weather local and US maps (radar and clouds) updating every hour for two cities! it's unlimited internet!

szdavid said:
Hi,
I subscribed to an unlimited web access (not emails) with my kaiser.
What would you do with this ?
Which software using the web would you install ?
(for example weather app,...)
Thanks
david
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Just as a matter of interest, why subscribe to an unlimited plan if you didn't already know if you needed it?

QuickOffice, Documents to go or MS office??

Hi,
Can any body tell me that where i can get these given above applications for read and edit word, excel etc ms offices file in g1 phone .. or suggest any other free application for my google g1 phone with i can read all ms office documents..
thanx in advance

Google is your friend..
Go to the Dataviz web site, they have 'Docs to go' for the G1.
"...a limited-time introductory price of $19.99 (regularly $29.99.) "
Quick office also have "Quick office for Android"
"...$20.00"
Both are available from the Marketplace your G1.
Sorry no freeware....

You can't edit in Quick Office!

gadgetwizard said:
Google is your friend..
Go to the Dataviz web site, they have 'Docs to go' for the G1.
"...a limited-time introductory price of $19.99 (regularly $29.99.) "
Quick office also have "Quick office for Android"
"...$20.00"
Both are available from the Marketplace your G1.
Sorry no freeware....
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I remember when I had my BlackBerry and upgraded to the 4.5 OS, Docs to Go was included free as part of the OS applications.

SatanR1 said:
You can't edit in Quick Office!
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Then a process of elimination leaves you with Docs To Go.

Has anybody tried it? Bit of a challenge to buy it since paid apps aren't available in Canada, so before I go to the trouble, does DTG support any real document formats, like ODT, or is it strictly limited to microcrap?

lbcoder said:
Has anybody tried it? Bit of a challenge to buy it since paid apps aren't available in Canada, so before I go to the trouble, does DTG support any real document formats, like ODT, or is it strictly limited to microcrap?
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I bought it. No, at this time, it is not as good as the Palm or other version, but it works. I use it to read and edit my MS Word documents. I also used it to open a Excel document, but that really doesn't matter to me too much.
Just for you, I tried, it said it cannot open because it is not a valid MS Word 97-2008a.

Thanks for checking. Guess they won't be getting any money from me.

You know they will end up making google docs. One day.

Or you can use Shead Spreet app....I think it will read in excel data.

TimSykes said:
You know they will end up making google docs. One day.
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I agree... they need a mobile version BADLY!!!! The funny thing is, I believe Google docs. works with Windows Mobile and not Android. That is more of a browser thing but still. Its just plain stupid!!! And why does the Sapphire have a pdf viewer and the G1 doesn't?! It's about time for another RC update so JF can return to do work his magic.

gadgetwizard said:
Then a process of elimination leaves you with Docs To Go.
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I been thinking about getting that one. How well does it handle larger files (lets say ones larger than 1-2 MB?)

Google docs is pointless since it depends on a network connection. It also puts potentially security sensitive information out of your personal control (which is almost always against the rules when dealing with other people's data).
TimSykes said:
You know they will end up making google docs. One day.
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I believe they would need to make a offline Google docs app, kind of like the offline gmail app they built.

GDocs now on the marketplace. Not made by google, but looks like it has on and offline support. I am downloading it now. oh and its free.

Well tested it out, and does not work well at all, but it in early beta I think it said .21 So it has time, But at least someone is working on it.

just updated and works a bit better, It will not pull down info from the web, and update info from g1. But will not update data back down to g1. only way to is to delete doc off the phone and re download it.

sino8r said:
How well does it handle larger files (lets say ones larger than 1-2 MB?)
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I have docs to go, and it isn't even really noticeably slower opening 2+MB files. It handles them just fine. I even threw a 7MB doc file with embedded images at it, no problem.

I just had a look at that and it has a *very very* long way to go. Its basically worthless and I don't expect it to go anywhere near far enough to actually be useful. I suspect that it was whipped together in about a half hour. All it is is a text editor, it downloads the TEXT from your google doc and stores it in an sqlite3 database file. No formatting or anything. It doesn't even save the odt file to local. I seriously doubt that the author has the skills to develop a full word processor.
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just updated and works a bit better, It will not pull down info from the web, and update info from g1. But will not update data back down to g1. only way to is to delete doc off the phone and re download it.
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DELETE!!!!!!!!!

Credit Card transactions over Winmo Internet

Hello all,
I am curious as to how secure the various browsers are on Winmo 6.1 are.
I'm currently using Opera Mini as my main browser but also have Internet Explorer and Opera.
I'm thinking of using mainly for ordering goods over the internet or checking my bank account details...is this wise with Winmo??
Is there any difference between the 3 browsers for security. I tend not to use Skyfire as I'm led to believe that details are sent to their servers first...is this true with other browsers too.
Thanks in advance for any help

Opera Mini also connects through Opera's servers to compress the web pages you view, while Opera Mobile and Pocket Internet Explorer both directly connect to the web site's server.
Personally, I'll only use browsers that use direct connections, but that's just my opinion.
Concerning security in general, as long as you're browsing SSL-encrypted sites ("https" instead of "http") you'll be fine.
However, if you're connecting through Wi-Fi networks, especially unsecured ones, you can never be sure who's listening in on whatever you're doing on the Internet. Basically, even in this case you should be fine when using SSL-encrypted sites, although it's possible for an attacker to fake the security certificates. In this case your browser will alert you that something may be wrong with the certificate though, which usually isn't the case on a legitimate web site.

Thanks for your answer...
I had a feeling that Opera Mini may have been similar in it's working to Skyfire hence I have until now only used that for browsing and posting on forums such as now.
I will in future use either Opera or IE for any kind of purchasing or banking transactions...
Cheers

EdIting excel word and other q's

Can't use the search with an itouch.
Long time wm user of ten years trying to jump to android.
Is there a native app to edit excel or word on the n1?
Is there an rdp client? There must be vnc if not. VPN IPSec or other?
Any apps out there to map and browse ms network drives?

Googledocs or "Documents to Go" (chargeable).
Cheers!
Lodger

Googledocs ??? Where ??

Googledocs ??? Where ??
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Sorry, only just seen this....
Try "Gdocs" in the Market...
Bit limited I think, but free...
Cheers!
Lodger

The web version works too( in a limited way.)

larsdennert said:
Can't use the search with an itouch.
Long time wm user of ten years trying to jump to android.
Is there a native app to edit excel or word on the n1?
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No but there ought to be. I use gdocs which is decent and free. And I have documents to go which only views docs but I purchased the second docs to go app to unlock document editing which ive had a favorable experience with. As far as I know those are the two options for editing documents...I think docs to go (editing version) was $20 when I bought it but may be cheaper now. I've used it maybe 5 times to edit docs and its worth it to me.
Also I've even edited docs remotely on my laptop and my desktop with phonemypc ($10 I think), one of my absolute favorite apps and I'm pretty picky about what apps I keep....