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Just a though/suggestion

Im sure this may have been discussed, but has it ever crossed anyone one's mind that ITJE and TTran team up for a rom? I think it would be interesting.

That would be a conspiracy. There'd have to be a magic bullet in there somewhere.
Actually if those guys got together, they could Rule the World.
**Its like Way too Dangerous!

I'd imagine it'd be hard to actually team up to make a rom as for creating the files n etc.
As far as i've noticed if cooks find a way to imporove a rom in any was they post it so other cooks could ise it too, so i guess thats sharing/teaming up in a way.

Lol something like too many cooks in the kitchen?

2 iron chefs in the kitchen would rule, i think...id like for ITJE and TTran to chime in.

In Germany there is a slogang:
Many cooks will smash the soup.... = ugly.
Every cook has his own style ...
and that makes cooking and "eating" interesting.....
just my 2 cents

papamopps said:
In Germany there is a slogang:
Many cooks will smash the soup.... = ugly.
Every cook has his own style ...
and that makes cooking and "eating" interesting.....
just my 2 cents
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agreed, we need diversity, we need options. sometimes I might not have liked what Itje did so can always go to ttran or vice-versa. Im sure they help each other anyways, for advice and what not. Either way, last time i checked there isnt much room for 2 chefs to work on 1 file. requires a lot of testing and debugging. Something only the creator can figure out.
Good imagination however

We all learn from each other. I think it would be hard to work together, because if it's anything with how I make ROMs, it would be a huge mess instead of something better. But as it is, we PM each other and give each other fixes and such.

Everybody is a cooking master these days?

Pretty wierd, Itje has been in-active for a couple of days (probably due to easter) and all of a sudden everybody is "releasing" roms like its there speciality?
And when i read these threads and somebody askes a simple thing as "are you putting youtube in it?" i see answers like "it is pretty hard to get youtube up and running, i dont know how to do that"..
Is this something everybody wants to see? Imo cooking/releasing roms should be done only by people who have the knowledge and knowhow off everything.

FalkenX said:
Pretty wierd, Itje has been in-active for a couple of days (probably due to easter) and all of a sudden everybody is "releasing" roms like its there speciality?
And when i read these threads and somebody askes a simple thing as "are you putting youtube in it?" i see answers like "it is pretty hard to get youtube up and running, i dont know how to do that"..
Is this something everybody wants to see? Imo cooking/releasing roms should be done only by people who have the knowledge and knowhow off everything.
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If they want to try to cook, why not?
It's only a win-win situation
They learn more & have more experiences and maybe they'll even getting better than Itje

very very succinctly put..
jerpeleas kitchen is very very simple to use.
and is perfect for creating that "personal rom"
unfortunately, whats happening is what often happens, and is that everyone suddenly decides to throw out that personal rom for public consumption.
now i think its great that people are trying things out, but i do think, ladies and gentlemen that you should keep your experiments a bit more "internal" at least till you understand what you're doing a bit better..
please??

fards said:
very very succinctly put..
jerpeleas kitchen is very very simple to use.
and is perfect for creating that "personal rom"
unfortunately, whats happening is what often happens, and is that everyone suddenly decides to throw out that personal rom for public consumption.
now i think its great that people are trying things out, but i do think, ladies and gentlemen that you should keep your experiments a bit more "internal" at least till you understand what you're doing a bit better..
please??
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Agreed. Glad to see more cooks or more people willing to learn to cook. But sad to see lots of them either unfinished, or not tested fully w/ lots of bugs here and there. And I don't see any unique features/characteristic/fixes among most of them since all are based on the same kitchen without going into details to learn and create.

In other words, people, if you wanna try to cook your own roms thats your own choice, but stop the posting on the forums if there arent any new feautures/bug fixes in it.

alway nice to see more people cooking.
but like myself i cooked a rom with jerpelea's kitchen.
i twisted and turned allot over and made it to my personal favors.
but i won't release for public just because it is to my own taste and i know that allot of peoplehere have different choises and willings.
it's great that cooking is made easy for everybody but if you don't have the real knowledge like our first timer chefs keep it for yourself and enjoy it as much as you can!
but hey..
that's just me

The word is not "cook" kids: it's READ and SEARCH.
Spread the word
I cook
You cook
He cooks
She cooks
We cook
You cook
They cook
But jerpelea is the biggest cooker of them all !!
Been cooking since january over WinMo 6.5, nothing worth sharing yet... until jerpelea uploaded his kitchen and I solved 6 weeks of problems in 6 minutes:
I eagerly read all 49 pages of his suggestions/tips, and included a couple of his packages into my own recipe, now I can fire the oven

knaplullig said:
alway nice to see more people cooking.
but like myself i cooked a rom with jerpelea's kitchen.
i twisted and turned allot over and made it to my personal favors.
but i won't release for public just because it is to my own taste and i know that allot of peoplehere have different choises and willings.
it's great that cooking is made easy for everybody but if you don't have the real knowledge like our first timer chefs keep it for yourself and enjoy it as much as you can!
but hey..
that's just me
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yup I've been cooking my own for a while now, but I've never released one.. mostly as I do it to learn more..

ive made 6.5/manila2 roms but havnt uploaded them because of this whole situation.
I do think however its better that ppl make their own roms and learn more about their phones then being a drone to somone else.
Its too bad that some in the past ruined it for some to truelly learn what needs to be changed in some cases. because alot of cooks are protecting their roms. so disecting their rom to see whats really in it is a bit harder then normal.
not speaking down to itje or about him. but if we were able to truely dissasemble his rom we could find out why myfaves doesnt work.
but cooking my own rom i got myfaves working but using jerpelea kitchen i get dumb little bugs

FalkenX said:
but stop the posting on the forums if there arent any new feautures/bug fixes in it.
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That's not what I mean. But I wish new cooks instead to rush out a buggy rom (especially for 6.5 which is still beta and still with lots of issues w/ X1), could spent more time in clean up and bugfix, then release an tested and quality rom. It just a waste of time of you and your users if your rom is too buggy to be useful. Or released roms w/ features/softwares w/ bugs and issues that you don't have idea how to get them fix.

I kinda like to see all the new ROMS out. We went from 1 or 2 to a bunch. Granted there are a lot of buggy ROMS and people should do a lot more searching and more beta testing but being one of the new cooks i can see the reason for trying to release it. Some people use there phones completely differently that you do so i would think that others would find bugs that you don't. I know when i released my lite rom there were issues that i never even thought of trying so i had like 5 versions in like 2 weeks.
Most people don't add new features because a lot of the stuff is hard to come by in my opinion that is. They just release a different take on the programs and features.
I dunno just my take....

shadowmike said:
Its too bad that some in the past ruined it for some to truelly learn what needs to be changed in some cases. because alot of cooks are protecting their roms. so disecting their rom to see whats really in it is a bit harder then normal.
not speaking down to itje or about him. but if we were able to truely dissasemble his rom we could find out why myfaves doesnt work.
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I am not sure if this is his true intention. But you got to understand this is the side effect that the Bepe's kitchen he use (which is a lot more effieicent and easy to manage, and I start to use it as well since my V3.x series).
In fact, Itje is very generous in sharing what he could share in the Chef sharing thread, or his own threads w/ the helps from Fards, Akp99 (man, how come I don't have such an helpful team???). All you need is search, or ask the right man.

I have seen the same thing..
I welcome new chefs..its all good, but as said before, its not the "real" work of chefs, its more a "Ikea" sollution, buy/get the kitchen parts..put it together and use it at home...
And as jack said, please guys keep making roms..its cool..but rather then releasing roms that others has made (Jerpelea) try to make one from scratch...
I must also admit with this new wave of chefs, it also keeps getting very annoying that many of the new rom makers keep sending pm's, e-mails and adds me to msn. It didnt bother me at start, but now Its getting pretty frustrating.
And I am not even allowed to say no, they keep on coming asking for everything I know, everything I got..and if I say no, im a cocky mofo who wants to be the topchef all by himself..etc etc
I have to be rude, and I have to put ppls requests down. If not, I would not have time to do make new roms, because I was personally guiding everyone else.
That IS NOT why im here. I have no interest at all beeing a teacher...I can share stuff, but then I also like to get something back (not talking donations here) and that is a more respectful tone, specialy when I decline helping.
But, I try to point ppl in the right directions..telling them what to look for or where to find a thread with the stuff they need..usually that is not enough...cause they keep coming back asking what to look for....
But then I dont reply, because if you cant find it, then you can find another hobby..and that I dont back up on..
I have been searching this forums, so many times for new stuff, to learn new things, and I STILL DO.
I help if I can, I share when I can..but dont add me to msn to ask for cooking help. Cause you wont get it..sorry.
I know this post can be considered a bit off topic..but then again, its not..cause that is whats happening "behind the scene" of all the new "chefs"
Im sorry if this offends anyone..and im sure there is ppl among the new guys that are gonna get way better then me in this...after all, its just a hobby

I dont like ppl dissambling my roms
I tried for some time to have open roms..damn I even left in the rgus, so ppl could dump the rom and recook for personal use..
But what they didnt know was that I hid some small codes in the base of the rom
So when suddenly new roms started popping up..from ppl claiming it was their own work...can you guys guess what I found in the roms???? nahhhh..guess one more time
Then I made some "rules" Do not recook and release my roms, or I will protect them...
To bad..it still happened...
So I locked my roms, and if ppl dont like it...I dont care

Oh please don't take what ive said the wrong way. I understand the reasoning behind it.
not to be that guy but i still get the files i need from ur rom. like new images for replacement of the old green highlights.
but i also respect your work to not release anything as i understand how time consuming it is.
as i used to skin for psp's and windows mobile 6 and 6.1 standard neo and sliding panel home screens.

I have to say I've been reading this thread with particular interest, as I could be considered one of the "chefs" Itje is talking about as I recently asked him to point me in the direction of how to create ROMs. I personally found in all the custom ROMs that I tried several different little tweaks or something that I didn't use and wouldn't use and all I can say to people is, unless you've created a new TF3D or something HUGE then don't publicise ROMs - Once i eventually learn how to create on, I will simply use it just to create a ROM that is PERFECT for ME - and then I will work on creating something spectacular!
And that's my 15minutes of fame for the day
Nirave
P.S. I've just re-read the post and there is no hidden meaning in what I said regarding asking Itje! I know it sounds like there is, but there's not !

I'll open it out a little more: If anyone can help a long-time reader, small-time poster (ME!) and point me in the direction of how to create a custom ROM I'll be ever grateful
thanks
nirave

nirave said:
I have to say I've been reading this thread with particular interest, as I could be considered one of the "chefs" Itje is talking about as I recently asked him to point me in the direction of how to create ROMs. I personally found in all the custom ROMs that I tried several different little tweaks or something that I didn't use and wouldn't use and all I can say to people is, unless you've created a new TF3D or something HUGE then don't publicise ROMs - Once i eventually learn how to create on, I will simply use it just to create a ROM that is PERFECT for ME - and then I will work on creating something spectacular!
And that's my 15minutes of fame for the day
Nirave
P.S. I've just re-read the post and there is no hidden meaning in what I said regarding asking Itje! I know it sounds like there is, but there's not !
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dont worry, im not aiming at any person...but its a typical thing...its the same over and over again...same way

I dont see any problems in all these new roms. If there is nothing special, people wont be interested so that the "problem" will be solved by itself.

itje said:
dont worry, im not aiming at any person...but its a typical thing...its the same over and over again...same way
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Yes, I'm an Ikea cook, as Itje said. I'm only ever after a bare-bones ROM with whatever XIP\SYS improvements updates may provide.
I once published one of my "Ikea assembly" efforts for my earlier Eten X500, acknowledging the base was from PDAVIET, and was inundated with requests, complaints etc etc. So now I just use these Ikea efforts.
Question: does anyone know why official ROM updates seem never to use NETCF3.5 over v2.xx ?
V3.5 has been available for well over 18 months now

The "best" ROM?!

I'm thinking of update my ROM on my TyTN II.
But I really don't know what ROM to use.
Should I go for WM6.1 or WM6.5? If I use WM6.5, would the Kaiser get slower than WM6.1?
And it would be great to have a ROM that is more "fingerfriendly" than the orignial ROM, so I don't need to use the stylus for everything. I know i don't have to use it, but if the icon's where larger and so on, it would be so much easier =)
It would be great if some of you guys that have a little bit of knowledge at this area, just replied what ROM you like best and a link where to DL it =) Screens would be great =)
I've searched the forum, but every damn ROM says: "This is the best ROM ever made" hehehe... Yeah right, that makes it so much easier for me, and the other noobs on the forum
Thanx for any replies
//phjott

you should try each one, look it descriptions / pics and stuff, if you think is all you need, then thats the best rom for you

I know what you mean, but there are millions of ROM's out there. So I just wanna hear what ROM's people at XDA uses and likes the best.
I can't try each one, that's impossible. And I'm pretty new to PPC, so i don't know what to look at.

Here is a list of all the best roms with details and screen shots. The list also includes links.............http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
Look at the screenshots and the content list, pick one you like and flash. If after a wekk you don't like that one, flash the next one on the list.

phjott said:
I know what you mean, but there are millions of ROM's out there. So I just wanna hear what ROM's people at XDA uses and likes the best.
I can't try each one, that's impossible. And I'm pretty new to PPC, so i don't know what to look at.
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There are not millions, there might not even be a hundred.

denco7 said:
Here is a list of all the best roms with details and screen shots. The list also includes links.............http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378
Look at the screenshots and the content list, pick one you like and flash. If after a wekk you don't like that one, flash the next one on the list.
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Thanx alot =)
ChumleyEX said:
There are not millions, there might not even be a hundred.
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Just a figure of speak boy, I know there are not millions.. It was just to make a point =)

But I still want to now what's the best choice of WM6.1 and WM6.5?
I want the best performance =)

Without me sounding like a a** best ROM discussions are against the forum rules.
I'm sure that stands here too, thats why you getting satiricle answers as there is no best ROM "so many variables on what people like & want" flash and you will find what you like which is what we all do.
Good luck in finding best ROM
p.s check peoples sigs that will give an idea

Thanx alot for quick replies! This is really a helpful forum =D
I've managed to succesfully flash my ROM now
Now my Kaiser is running: [Aug 4th][PDACorner] Ultimate-X2.V9 -23017|M2D|CHome|Enhanced Version
And I'm very pleased with that ROM, after checking it out for a couple of hours now But I have a problem, and that is the norwegian letters on the hardware keyboard does'nt work =( What do i need to do to get them to work? Tried to search the forum, but can't find a solution =/
Edit: I solved the problem with some simple reg.edits..
//phjott

Incomplete ROMS, are you serious?!

So I was trying to help my little brother get a custom ROM from XDA so he can enjoy his Wing. Well, ends up half of the chefs out there create roms without important features. For example, no MMS. Ok, so maybe you can get away with that since you can download Arcsoft and install it afterwards. However, question remains, why don't the chefs include Arcsoft already in their roms like they used to on XDA with the MDA, etc?!
So fine, no MMS, install it later. How about required functions? For example NO CAMERA SOFTWARE!?!? Are you serious chefs? I mean I know you take out things like ringtones, carrier bloat, etc, but CAMERA?! Now, the MDA, when a chef took out the camera it was because THEY WERE REPLACING IT WITH A BETTER CAMERA SOFTWARE.
What gives XDA?! I am noticing this in other ROM threads for other phones. Even some of the latest phones have this issue too. Rhodium roms missing landscape mode?! It's a Rhodium, it has both landscape and portrait!
Either way, so fine, you want to make these roms available to the public. No problem. Ever think about creating a TEST ROMS section INSIDE OF XDA ROMS?!
So another example. One section for "INCOMPLETE BETA SUPER TEST ROMS" and another for "The phone should still be able to use all hardware on it with this ROM" section. How about that for a little more clarity?!
I can't beleive what's happened to beloved XDA. Shame. Big shame.

Weeeeelllllll......not to sound super preachy....but you do realize that you are getting all of this FOR FREE right? Most of the time the reason that commericial programs aren't cooked into ROMs is because they are just that, commercial. AFAIK we could get in MUCH more trouble if we included a bunch of commercial stuff in them. I know that the Wizard has TONs of ROMs with built in stuff that is commercial, I used to be a cook over there, and in my opinion the reason for that is because there is so much crap in that forum that the mods and such arent going to look at every ROM for illegal crap, whereas in this much smaller forum here for the Herald we have fewer members and fewer ROMs but I think like 2 or 3 mods, so they have less to look at and more time to do it.
Long post short, you get this stuff for free...at the most what cooks ask for is a donation, ROMs as they are no matter what are technically illegal piecs of software, and at any time if Microsoft REALLY wanted to they could have XDA shut down without another word..so basically, if you don't like it-cook your own ROM with what you want already in it or stop complaining!
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Every people cooking ROMs tries to cook the way the most useful for his/her device, and test some apps or abilities from the ROM.
And as you've read, they share their ROMs "for free" so that you can enter here, search, and download the ROM you want, flash it and play with it.
Nobody sells anything. There's no agreement to sign. There's no compromise except the wish to make things well - to every chef's taste.
You don't like this chef, this cook, this dish, then you are free to change restaurant. People is here to discover, develop, and share ideas. If you like stock ROMs with all the features, then get one of them.

The best you can do is to write a factually comment into the thread, where you have downloaded the ROM. This is the right way, to get an answer. But don´t insult the cookers. Here are kitchens presented, so that you can make it better for your own, if you want.

chillax
MMS is a carrier specific issue. Roms atleast for this fone aren't carrier specific... Yea this stuff is free and you'll have to use a little elbow grease to get it workin in the way u want. If you want a specific app cooked into your rom be it commercial or not cook it in yourself, just be careful of rammifications if you share your rom with the public. Kitchens are not rocket science, just grab on and slam into it head first

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Weeeeelllllll......not to sound super preachy....but you do realize that you are getting all of this FOR FREE right? Most of the time the reason that commericial programs aren't cooked into ROMs is because they are just that, commercial. AFAIK we could get in MUCH more trouble if we included a bunch of commercial stuff in them. I know that the Wizard has TONs of ROMs with built in stuff that is commercial, I used to be a cook over there, and in my opinion the reason for that is because there is so much crap in that forum that the mods and such arent going to look at every ROM for illegal crap, whereas in this much smaller forum here for the Herald we have fewer members and fewer ROMs but I think like 2 or 3 mods, so they have less to look at and more time to do it.
Long post short, you get this stuff for free...at the most what cooks ask for is a donation, ROMs as they are no matter what are technically illegal piecs of software, and at any time if Microsoft REALLY wanted to they could have XDA shut down without another word..so basically, if you don't like it-cook your own ROM with what you want already in it or stop complaining!
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I understand, trust me. I don't think you are preaching. In the days when I first got my Wizard (MDA) the roms did not require much addition of software. You could choose a rom and the chef would do more work in letting you know about the rom. ie: Missing this, missing that, has this, has that...etc. I came across two ROMs in particular that did not mention such things to me and was shocked about it.
After further reading the posts in the ROM Chef's thread, I discovered that the chef did not care that the needed app was not working and had asked all users to just download an older build of the ROM instead of trying to get a functional ROM shared.
Now I understand that apparently XDA came under great legal threat from several companies about their roms/software being released here for free(whether or not it left the phones without critical functions). For this reason, to remain alive, XDA had to comply by these rules and just let the chefs make the ROM itself and anyone willing to put up with not having a phone or camera or keyboard or touchscreen working on their phone would test the ROMs out and figure out how to get critical functions back by themselves because it would destroy XDA if the ROMs had this software included.
Back then it was considered hard work simply downloading/burning a ROM that a Chef made, but these days you even have to install the basic function apps yourself if you want to participate. Hopefully it doesn't get much worse than that. I really want my Touch Pro 2 to have an XDA ROM running on it in the near future with WM 6.5 and enjoy butter smooth, reliable operation.

afn691 said:
You don't like this chef, this cook, this dish, then you are free to change restaurant. People is here to discover, develop, and share ideas. If you like stock ROMs with all the features, then get one of them.
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nothing more i can add ...

Need a standardized way to compare ROMs

With hundreds (guessing) ROMs now posted for the TP2 is there a way to get a gauge on which ones are better at what things. WITHOUT LOOKING AT EVERY ROM POST. I want to upgrade from 6.1 but every post ROM I have looked at seems to have some caveat about this or that not working (GPS, MMS, etc.). Its very difficult to contrast and compare the different ROMs. Maybe we can develop a form that devs can complete when uploading a ROM to give a clear, concise, and standardized view of the features and caveats on their ROMs. This would make it much easier to decide which one to use.
Thanks to everyone that has ever posted a meaning message to this forum.
EDIT: I am not complaining about the caveats. This is about the information that we need to know about the ROMs available. I want to make an informed decision on which caveats are acceptable to me. Sorry if it reads poorly.

Yeah most cooked roms dont have near to polish of a stock rom. However, most of these guys build these roms for basically free. The "scene" is drivin by its member so if you want something done that noone else is doing you should work to make it happen yourself. Its not like your a customer and get to complain...
Good idea for sure tho.

Great
Thats a great idea I hope that it happens.

I know what you mean, and I agree with you to a certain extent. When I first came here, I was totally confused and bewildered by the number of different ROMs. There's certainly no way you can read the whole thread for each ROM, there's way too much.
I think you'll find the ROMs are a lot more stable than you think. If you want to stick with stability, I'd go with Sense (TouchFlo3D) 2.1, not 2.5. But that still gives you plenty of choice. Have a look at some screenshots, see if there's one that looks nice to you and seems to contain the features you need, try flashing it and see how you go. If you don't like it, you can easily change and flash a different one.
Or another approach is to look at the threads which seem the most "popular" and try one of those, banking on there being a lot of people to help you, in the same situation, and that "so many people" can't be wrong ?

Jaykno said:
Yeah most cooked roms dont have near to polish of a stock rom. However, most of these guys build these roms for basically free. The "scene" is drivin by its member so if you want something done that noone else is doing you should work to make it happen yourself. Its not like your a customer and get to complain...
Good idea for sure tho.
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Whoo Dude... back off. Im not complaining about anyones work. Nor am I knocking ANY of the work done here. This is simply a feeler to see if the cooks would be up to it standardizing the info about their work and if its a good idea or not. Notice I said "Maybe WE can develop...", that includes me.

Good Idea
I think u right there. The cooks are done a fantastic jobs their to provide us with such amount of their free time and fabulous ROMS. However, each cook choose a different orientation for their ROM, i mean some want to have max free mem, others go for esthetics, etc etc.
It would be nice if we can have a sort of specs (hmmm well i hope u get the idea here) that we can check to know which type of ROM it is, which is working or not and so on and so on.

If I created a list (word or excel) of all features and functions of the TP2 then had the cooks complete them for the ROMs and send them to me. I could then compile them all into a database that would display ROMs side by side with a feature list checkbox table. (No sense making the cooks do alot of initial data entry... that stuff sucks. ) We could then make direct comparisons of each one. All they would need to do is keep me updated with the latest ROM info and I can keep the DB updated. Once the feature list is stabilized I could turn on the feature where they could be able to update the info themselves.
I don't mind doing the development of this if the cooks are up for this idea. I can't cook a ROM but I can code a db/website.