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The video created by Kaiser is terrible!
Look into the example in this thread. Those people were just walking, normally.
And the video result is really bad, blurry on movement.
Did I do something wrong?
maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
No, there is no configuration like that.
I can only choose "video mode" and resolution.
No frame per second setting.
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maybe there is a configuration section where you can set it to 25/30 frames per second¿...
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With what kind of device are you comparing it to?
Another cameraphone that performs better, or a real video camera?
I have zero expectations from any cameraphone. They all have abysmal quality, it's a fundamental reality with the compromises in optics and sensor size needed to keep the phone portable.
I think you do something wrong...
Show in THIS Thread and you will see what a Video can look like. The Video there are very ok to good in my opinion..
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Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
something is wrong you have 3fps in that video
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Entropy512, I dont compare with other device and dont expect a very good quality. But I compared with the one created in this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328201
Like mentioned by SKSAustin.
As far as configuration, if you look into the camera, there is nothing special there, no fancy or detailed configuration.
You can only select resolution, which in this case I use 320x240.
So, I still cant figure out why the video was so bad.
It could be, because of the "indoor" situation, not enough light? Then the autofocus was not fast enough.
I have not tried outdoor btw (will do today).
But still, if that is the case, then it sucks!
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Doesnt resolution = quality?
I tried a quick video last night (poor indoor lighting conditions) and i got exactly the same result - so hopefully it's merely because of the poor lighting.
I'll make some other vids and post them when i can!
This is very bad... but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
Great, i can't open MP4s anymore! Quicktime comes up with:
-Error -2401: an invalid sample description was found in the movie.
lame!
Ok, I can confirm that this kind of bad video is caused by the indoor situation.
This morning, I created outdoor video something like in the other thread and it is nice.
See in the attachment.
Glad it was not a problem with hardware!
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This is very bad, but at the same time very funny to watch. They move like Akuma in Street Fighters...
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Yeah...that's great...
So, anyone with a little photographic background/experience could have thought up the explanation for your 3fps problem....: in low light the frame rate goes down like the shutterspeed on a regular photocamera would.
Sounds perfectly normal/plausible to me
Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
mhg2000 said:
Ihave the device and I would give the following scores to the camera:
Close up Mode : 9/10
Pictures :8/10
video : 8/10
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
you may want to check to make sure you do not have multiple other programs running when you go into video mode (memory crunch may slow performance)
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Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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I think the N95 took great pics too, but do you think it's fair to compare the two? I think it's more fair to compare the E90 to the Tytn 2 as I think these two devices have more relations, than a multimedia device like the N95
Certainly, TyTn II is not for you
I have not and will not try N95, even though the camera and video might be better (obviously, because N95 is 5 MP), because simply Symbian is not my preferred Mobile OS.
Oh btw, I cant live without built-in qwerty keyboard ... that's all.
HBK said:
Based on what?
I am visiting this forum looking for info on the TyTNII, as a replacement for my Nokia N95. I like the form factor of the TyTNII a lot, but things like the camera is really, really bad, when you are used to the N95.
The frame rate of the N95 is 30 fps in full vga resolution, meaning 4x the res of the TyTNII, and it doesn't drop to 3 fps just because of lower light levels. Besides, the still photos of the N95 is years ahead of the TyTNII, so if the latter one scores 8-9/10, I guess the N95 scores 20/10...
This is actually very sad for me, because I have been looking forward to the TyTNII since the first info was leaked, but now I am not so sure I want one after all, for this and a few other reasons. Hopefully a new ROM will fix some of these issues.
If you are going to tell me 'it's just a phone', then obviously you haven't tried the N95. It really goes a long way to replace your normal digicam. Nice to only have to carry a single device, and obviously the future.
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1. The N95 really isn't a multimedia device. It's an advanced smartphone with extremely powerful hardware, but that label doesn't sell It does just about everything the TyTN II does, only lacking the qwerty and touch screen. Screen size is about the same and the resolution is identical. I prefer the Microsoft OS over S60, but that is my personal preference and I must admit that S60 have some very strong points over WM (and vice versa, of course).
2. I don't need the qwerty, but that doesn't mean that TyTN II isn't for me. Previously I have owned the Magician + a few MS smartphones and latest the Mio A701, so WM is by no means new to me. A few months back I got the feeling that it was time to replace the A701 and with TyTN II nowhere in sight, really I could see no WM device being a serious competition to the N95. So I got the Nokia, my first mobile of that brand for about 5 years
So, with the TyTN II now in the hands of normal users, I decided to have a look at this site for info and unfortunately it looks like even TyTN II can't compete evenly with the N95 on all points. All is not lost, though, if the compression algorithm is updated to something less destructive. I do believe the cam hardware of TyTN II is better than the current software, which can only be a positive thing. So HTC, bring on the first firmware update, please
Am I the only one here complaining of the very bad video quality taken with the Kaiser (TyTN II) apparently caused by the low frame rate ? I don't think so, because I've heard few other people complaining of the same thing....
I just want you guys to either raise your voice or suggest a solution... I used to take much better videos using older HTC models, and the Kaiser supposed to be doing better than those older models, not worse....
Check out the following YouTube clip to compare the Kaiser to Nokia N95..... What a shame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz9lqEATEA0
Yes, its utterly useless. The 8525 was better. Why?
wow striking comparison. there's got to be a way to up the FPS via the registry...
I tried changing both the fps and bitrate in the registry but see no improvement.
I believe it will require software or driver update through HTC... I hope they are aware of it.... guys we have to email HTC so they will be aware of it (if they are not already)
Yup, this is a hard/software problem; no known player works at a decent speed.
I wonder if you can disable the autofocus of the camera and make the video quality better?
The front facing camera does not have auto focus and it shoots much better video.
Bummer. This was a major selling point to me and I have yet to get decent quality.
I haven't done much encoding, so I thought it was my bad on the encode side.
So even with TCPMP/Core Player and optimal encode settings, it's still bad? People have been saying sling player works well, is it because they stream at a low frame rate?
EDIT: Doing a bit more research, seems some people have gotten decent performance...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298126 (but on Wizard)
Here is some hope for it being just an encoding/settings issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336063&highlight=video (Page 2)
from another forum
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/htc-...5/93396-video-performance-recomendations.html
But this seems to suggest there is some firmware work to be done before any "real" improvement can take place.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339173&highlight=video
And here, the recommendation is the .7x TCPMP (should be the right one under the Kaiser CABS sticky)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336433&highlight=video
Seems there is quite a bit of competing info on this. Can anyone confirm settings that work? If so, please post details of player/settings/encoding rates/codec/ etc. Maybe there is a sweet spot that will make do until a firmware update can be had (if this is even a possible fix).
This thread is pertaining to video -capture- quality, not playback.
Yes, good catch. Playback also seems to be disappointing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339173&highlight=video
I wonder if there is any relation.
I cant get the frame rate on my TyTN 2 much above 9 FPS with my Slingbox. Are are and how are people getting these 25 plus frames per second????.
Matt.
Someone please change this thread title to "Low Video Capture Quality" please. lol
Hi,
Been 2 months now i have my TyTn II, looking at XDADev, i was able to answer all the questions i had but ... i still don't understand why when i record videos, sound quality is really low (8khz), and why when i use HTC sound recorder, i can go up to 44khz.
I have looked at all camera options, only found audio on/off, what im missing here?
Thx in advance.
Yes, I noticed that too, I tried to record a small video during in a classroom, and you can't understand what's being said through the video. The person was 15 meters away and speaking out loud.
Maybe there are some registry tweaks that can be changed?
ovkhan said:
Hi,
Been 2 months now i have my TyTn II, looking at XDADev, i was able to answer all the questions i had but ... i still don't understand why when i record videos, sound quality is really low (8khz), and why when i use HTC sound recorder, i can go up to 44khz.
I have looked at all camera options, only found audio on/off, what im missing here?
Thx in advance.
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HTC seems to use the same low-quality setting with all its models. It's the best to forget using it as a video camera altogether. Or, if you really need a phone with a decent, high-quality video camera, get the Nokia N95 or the N82.
Menneisyys said:
if you really need a phone with a decent, high-quality video camera, get the Nokia N95 or the N82.
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Can't agree more.. Every device has its +ve's and -ve's and you have to decide what you really want from it.
The day someone comes out with the 'Perfect' unit, all others will be out of business and nobody will be able to sell any new models!!
We could wish it as a New Year's resolution but I don't think it will happen from any company...
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all (and let's hope the New Year will bring us WM 6.1 with good Qualcomm drivers!!)
Hi everyone,
I've been using my Universal (O2 Exec) for a few years now and think its great.
I do watch quite a lot of video on it, as does my 1 year old !!!
I was trying to decide either to upgrade to a Stellar (Kaiser) or Orbit2 (Polaris) but hearing about the video issues has put me off.
My only prob with the Exec is its size (not that it has got bigger since I purchased!)
Any thoughts or alternative devices with similar specs to those 2 above would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Sam
Maybe I should have said I'm using Pocket DivX Encoder to enocde to avi and BetaPlayer to play (never got round to updating to TCMP)
Sam
Firstly, there are no driver issues with the TyTN II.
Secondly I have had my TyTN II (Kaiser) now for 3 months with no major issues at all.
I watch movies on my device regularly. Just make sure that they are encoded for QVGA and you're fine. I use PocketDIVXencoder and TCPMP but now I use CorePlayer and it's much better.
I watch Youtube videos which I download. Just make sure you have the FLV plugin for TCPMP and you're away. I watch many music videos this way.
Honestly, go ahead and get the TyTN II with a good Mugen 3000 mAh battery.
There very clearly are driver issues with the Tytn II - or at the very least, video performance is well below the expectations of many users (particularly those with experience of previous devices) - hence the Class Action thread and many hundreds if not thousands of complaints all over the web.
I like my Tytn II, I think its a very good device, but then I don't watch much video and I'm not really bothered about its quality. When I do watch it, or use the camera, I generally do notice the poor performance. Despite the 400mhz processor and general snappiness elsewhere, this device does struggle to display fluid video without jumping frames and "tearing" across the picture.
If you're used to watching a lot of video the Tytn II (or any of HTC's other Qualcomm 7200-based handsets like the Polaris etc) almost certainly will dissapoint, and you'll end up pining for your Exec instead. You'd be better off to wait either for the supposed fix from HTC - which was supposed to have been released in March but has now gone extremely quiet - or another model altogether.
As I said, this is coming from someone who's owned a Tytn II for five months and is generally very happy with it.
Boinng said:
There very clearly are driver issues with the Tytn II - or at the very least, video performance is well below the expectations of many users (particularly those with experience of previous devices) - hence the Class Action thread and many hundreds if not thousands of complaints all over the web.
I like my Tytn II, I think its a very good device, but then I don't watch much video and I'm not really bothered about its quality. When I do watch it, or use the camera, I generally do notice the poor performance. Despite the 400mhz processor and general snappiness elsewhere, this device does struggle to display fluid video without jumping frames and "tearing" across the picture.
If you're used to watching a lot of video the Tytn II (or any of HTC's other Qualcomm 7200-based handsets like the Polaris etc) almost certainly will dissapoint, and you'll end up pining for your Exec instead. You'd be better off to wait either for the supposed fix from HTC - which was supposed to have been released in March but has now gone extremely quiet - or another model altogether.
As I said, this is coming from someone who's owned a Tytn II for five months and is generally very happy with it.
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I will second this comment to the T. Love my phone...wish they would fix drivers...but don't do a ton of multimedia with it.
Since you're using an O2 Exec I'm assuming your in a Triband area. Why not consider the HTC P6300? I would if I could do triband. I'm all for the larger screen and especially if you watch a lot of video on it. I also think that uses the Samsung 400 chipset which does video better I believe. You can however get video playing "good" on a Kaiser/Polaris but you have to jump through a lot of hoops to find that sweet spot of codec/bitrate/player happiness. I think TCPMP .81 does video pretty decent. I think a lot of it has to do with how you initially have encoded the video for your phone. But without any tweaking the video playback especially in Windows Media Player can be pretty bad.
I have no problems with my TyTn II, i bought one from o2 a couple weeks back, i use TCPMP to play videos and its worked flawlessly...
Its fast enough, i watch alot of videos via HSDPA and have no problems at all, not too sure what people are moaning about
if you had a previous capable pda (eg: htc hermes/TyTN) then the video issue will be a problem for you.
Is there a way or tweak to get the camera to record at VGA or WVGA @ 30fps? I have a 14 month old daughter and im constantly taking pics of her for the familly ect and noticed that when recording video the framerate is very laggy or slow motion like. The iphone 3gs records great video quality and the N1 has better specs so id assume higher frame rate on record is possible with the N1 also.
Any thoughts anyone?
Thx Guys!
buy a video camera?
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buy a video camera?
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People trip me out some time with there smart remarks.
If you like carrying around multi devices good for you. I have a stand alone camera that does video record ect but my camera is not ALLWAYS on me.
The same way the Nexus is good for multi media such as mp3 / and watching videos but I dont go buy a PSP or ipod touch for that I use my phone. The point of the high end phones these days is to try to limit carrying multi devices on you at all time.
With all the hacking / ports / tweaks going on just wanted to know if 30fps video record was possible. If you dont know how or dont know what im talking about please do reply with BS. Thanks.
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People trip me out some time with there smart remarks.
If you like carrying around multi devices good for you. I have a stand alone camera that does video record ect but my camera is not ALLWAYS on me.
The same way the Nexus is good for multi media such as mp3 / and watching videos but I dont go buy a PSP or ipod touch for that I use my phone. The point of the high end phones these days is to try to limit carrying multi devices on you at all time.
With all the hacking / ports / tweaks going on just wanted to know if 30fps video record was possible. If you dont know how or dont know what im talking about please do reply with BS. Thanks.
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i don't think he was in a bs kinda tone. hard to tell on forums
you'll thank yourself later for using a higher quality camera (dedicated camera) of any kind for videos one day. proud parent here, know whatcha mean about wanting to capture the cool 'new' moments.
now then, as far as recording, i'll bet there are settings you can change for it someday. right now the video quality is pretty darn good. just dumped a couple of videos from mine today. frame rate is quite good, picture clarity good, fps decent.
IF YOU FIND an app or way to up the settings, PLEASE update this thread in your original post.
Yeah, Im not trying to come off negative to anyone. I have a decent standalone camera that can take great pics and video a 10mpiexel cam with ful vga record. With phones tho its so MUCH MUCH MUCH more conveient to beable to snap a picture and have that picture allready able to send as MMS / Email / Up Load to facebook ect...
With the standalone camera I have to take mem card out - load to card reader - copy pics to mem card on my nexus - ect...
Just too many steps. When I had an iphone 3gs for a lmited time I was amazed at the video recording quality from a cell phone.
Now with the nexus with specs better then iphone I dont see why we cant get full 30fps at WVGA or VGA res. With 1ghz CPU and 5mpxl that should be possible right out the box. Seems like its definetly possible and im all for the ability to carry less devices.
it would be great if we could get 30 fps on the nexus. my under powered n97 does 30 fps and its video quality is a step up from my nexus for sure. kinda disappoints me that the video quality isn't just as good as my previous phones.
the moto droid (with lower specs) can do 30fps with some hacking... im sure its some setting in the rom that we can change
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-hacks/19647-increase-camera-video-quality.html
HTC Desire with similar hardware does 30fps.
I don't know if it's HW or SW limitation, though. Did anyone try to record video on Desire ROM and can verify the actual fps?
Well, the Desire ROM allows for WGVA recording. I do not know about all the fps stuff, but I do know that I am recording in WGVA.
You should be able to by modifying the camera driver in the kernel and the build.prop. I'll look into this when I have the time, but I found the line that should control frame rate. A commit says that not all cameras are stable at 30fps, but how's that ever stopped us?