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We have some ppl here who can cook up roms like crazy, so I thought I would ask here. I have been wanting a PLAIN windows CE (preferably 6.0) rom for my wizard. Plain CE runs a lot faster, and is a lot more usefull then wm ever will be. From what I can tell with all my studying, Ce should work with all of the wm5 drivers, and the only part that ppl are unsure of is the phone stack. CE 6 has the phone stack built in, and that should solve that problem.
CE would give the phone a more "windows" look, with a more useful desktop and start menu. Please let me know if anyone here thinks they would like to give it a try.
sounds cool to me
first of all, windows ce 6 is the upcoming photon, that isn't due to be released until early 2008. WM5 is wince 5. crossbow will probably be wince 5.2.
Secondly, I doubt that what you're asking for is even possible. The way I understand it is that wince is the kernel, the core, that windows mobile is running. You can not have the one without the other...
Yes... Yes... Yes... and no....
Many hundreds of devices run CE alone. I am very familliar with the different versions of CE. WM5 is currently CE 5.1. I understand that CE6 would be a step up, but CE6 could possibly be easier seeing as the phone stack is built in. CE5 (or 5.1) could probably function with the phone stack ripped from wm5. As for your last comment, WinCE is the operating system, while Pocket PC (or WM) is the shell that is chosen. It adds a today screen, start bar (if you can call it that) and a few addons that add bulk and slow down the device. They are used to make the devices look a little more user friendly at the cost of speed. Many devices come with CE that is packaged with a standard CE shell instead of a Pocket PC shell.
http://www.gizmondoforums.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=3571
That page has a picture of a device running just plain CE with a standard CE shell (minus the menubar and the window, that was done with a desktop screenshot manager, so the actual thing wont have those)
The gizmondo was always designed as a CE device.
Windows Mobile is Windows Mobile, based on the WinCE, but not just hiding WinCE. Windows Mobile is a superset of WinCE. Certainl devices that don't need the Windows Mobile interface etc can run on pure WinCE, and certainly do. But preparing a new kernel/gwes is more then just flicking a switch and reverting back to the WinCE desktop shell. You need Platform Builder and a full BSP to make a custom image.
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Interesting discussion. It would be good if there is a quick way of getting a pure CE performance at a flick of a button.
So, WM5 is like WinXP, which does not just hide the DOS like Win95 did.
Darkrift said:
We have some ppl here who can cook up roms like crazy, so I thought I would ask here. I have been wanting a PLAIN windows CE (preferably 6.0) rom for my wizard. Plain CE runs a lot faster, and is a lot more usefull then wm ever will be. From what I can tell with all my studying, Ce should work with all of the wm5 drivers, and the only part that ppl are unsure of is the phone stack. CE 6 has the phone stack built in, and that should solve that problem.
CE would give the phone a more "windows" look, with a more useful desktop and start menu. Please let me know if anyone here thinks they would like to give it a try.
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did you read on the WIKI for instructions on cooking one's own ROM?
Windows Embedded CE 6.0 Test Kit
available for download :
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...bcbe-9fff174acaf5&displaylang=en#Requirements
Actually, no... windows mobile is more like windows 95. The operating system is CE, and the "extended GUI" (plus some apps and settings) are PPC. Windows XP is the operating system, and does not run on DOS, but it comes with a "DOS" addon (not really dos, just a way for oldschool ppl to cope with the change). I have personally worked with some ppl that are able get plain CE running by tweaking with dll's and other **** in the rom, but the problem is, this is more tweaking and less cooking. I know CE can run on these devices without windows mobile (well, the phone part MIGHT cause a roadblock) but im asking the cookers if there is a way they can create a TAILORED way of doing it other then overwriting system files (tested that on my axim, and was a long painfull process that barely produced results).
I must admit that I'm intrigued... I wouldn't mind trying this out if it ever became available.
If you are a true power user, you would love a plain CE device. Just as an example, a friend of mine did some dll editing for my axim and made it so i could run the CE version of word instead of the pocket version, and there was an immence different. Also, on CE, the windows are draggable like on XP. Folders work properly like they should. Seeing how CE uses less resources, its amazing how much more it can do. PPC is for the person who wants simplicity and easy to use PIM. Ce is for the person who wants a small computer that can do just about anything that a full sized computer can do. I know this task wont be easy, and thats why I am not trying it myself. I just figured that someone here with tons of experience would be up to the challenge of taking a CE image file (they can be found all over, including ms.com's site) and trying to build a working rom for the Wizard out of it.
yeah i'm intrigued too.. i'm all for this. would love CE on my qtek 9000.
and why?
it would finally give me true real native VGA... with good icons and native support...
IE6.0... good GUI and a lot more cool stuff.
i'm just spoiled i guess...
Windows Mobile CE 6
is there anywhere where u can evaluate the Windows Mobile 6 Software? i heard you can get it from the Microsoft Website.. anyinfo would be appreceiated.
i think wce 6 need for all!
i hope u creat it?
thanhk for support!
sorry i'm vietnames!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...47-6e06-4a0c-8cac-ca7d4c09cb56&DisplayLang=en
This is the only thing you can get so far! Check it out
Please keep in mind that this is for Windows CE 6.0.
Windows Mobile 6 != Windows CE 6.0
is this for the wizard? kinda looks like its a big file for a Mobile Device
no, this is NOT for a wizard, and no, its NOT windows mobile. IT is CE 6 and it is very different. Running it on a wizard would be nice, but wont be easy. I already started a thread on here asking someone to play with the idea of building a CE (5 or 6) rom for the wizard, but didnt get much positive responses. CE is the base operating system and Windows Mobile is the shell (outer face that you see).
looks like this request bit the big one.... i take it its safe to assume that nobody here is up to the challenge (why is it that ppl will try to get linux running on a wizard, but not windows ce, which is just the same operating system without all the pretty junk?)
where i can get windows vista for my pda2k
with Helmi_BA_WM2k5_AKU_3.5_v.1.4
please help>>>>
any supervisor can help....!
please help
any one please.........!!
Windows Vista for Blue Angel? Hmmm I think that Vista is for PC-s. How ever we will soon(I hope) Windows Mobile Crossbow 2006, Read a little m8. If you wish Vista skin u can find it on this forum. Search
Soul Train
thanks but i hope any of the supervisor , tell me where i can download it
the latest version of wm5 can be found at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287448
and we dont provide any link for downloading windows vista here.
imatrix said:
the latest version of wm5 can be found at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287448
and we dont provide any link for downloading windows vista here.
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thanks but
i have this version im asking about windows vista
b_a_m said:
thanks but
i have this version im asking about windows vista
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I dont want to let you down, but there is NO versions of WINDOWS VISTA available for BA and all PPCs, at least for this moment. The reason getting you confused may be the themes/skin created by Wisbar Advance. Do you know this wonderful software for our PPC World?
Vista...
Open your tomtom soft type "Vista" then search,
may you find...
What about Vista...
can you tell something?
is that skin?
is that Mobile Operating System?
Is that interface theme software plugin or program ? such as 'Wisbar'
Or what?
If you want MS Windows Vista...
Goto wwwdotmicrosoftdotcom
I don't fun with you that's true.
But here you can ask about only Windows mobile based systems,
I think that must be...
thx.
Why do all of these people think that vista is for pocket pcs? I've already had to explain it to one guy.
Upgrading to Windows Mobile 6.5: We know of a few phones that will be upgradable from 6.1 to 6.5, and Microsoft is clarifying this position a little. Mainly in that if they meet a minimum hardware standard — 128MB RAM, 400 MHz processor — they may be available for an upgrade. But that's still up to the partners (read: Manufacturers/carriers) to choose to do so.
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See:
http://www.wmexperts.com/microsoft-gives-more-marketplace-details-themes-upgrades-65
It would be AWESOME if we can upgrade to windows mobile 6.5, and so be able to use marketplace. We need 128MB RAM and 400MHZ processor, which means our Diamond should be suitable for 6.5!
Doubt it, but unofficially; yes we will get 6.5 on our phones. But we will not thank HTC for that.
Well yes, ofcourse we will be able to receive 6.5.
But i hope HTC will make it official for Diamond users. But i dont think that will happen...
I hope so too, but let's be honest: if it wasn't for the good folks here at xda-devs, our phones would be pretty mediocre. So I don't see it happening officially. But I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.
The Touch Diamond does not conform to the WM 6.5 specs, HTC are not allowed to release it for the Diamond.
Perhaps we should start an online petition to get HTC to bring WM6.5 to the Touch Diamond officially.
Windows Mobile 6.5 MIGHT be available for Diamond!
Yes it will be.. but some advanced featured will be unavailable..
Regards
shae marks said:
Windows Mobile 6.5 MIGHT be available for Diamond!
Yes it will be.. but some advanced featured will be unavailable..
Regards
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which features do you mean?
I thought no hardware Start key = No WM 6.5?
Funny that the previous generation phones had hardware Start/OK then they stopped putting them on after the iPhone came out.
slick69 said:
I thought no hardware Start key = No WM 6.5?
Funny that the previous generation phones had hardware Start/OK then they stopped putting them on after the iPhone came out.
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It is handy to have the Start Key but that is not a showstopper. Having said that I do miss the many hardware buttons that were available back in the days of Hermes.
I believe the MS home key is required to allow htc to put wm6.5 on their devices. So I don't think there will be any official upgrade for the diamond or any phone that doesn't have this key. Also MS wants to change the name 'smartphone' to windows mobile phone :S Don't think this applies to the Diamond though but still..
What I'm still wondering is if tf3d2 will be available on the HTC update of wm6.5 on the diamond2..
this would be awesome to have 6.5 on my phone
xzces said:
I believe the MS home key is required to allow htc to put wm6.5 on their devices. So I don't think there will be any official upgrade for the diamond or any phone that doesn't have this key. Also MS wants to change the name 'smartphone' to windows mobile phone :S Don't think this applies to the Diamond though but still..
What I'm still wondering is if tf3d2 will be available on the HTC update of wm6.5 on the diamond2..
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I heard this too, but then practically no phones would be able to upgrade, and wouldn't the dude in the quote at the start have mentioned that?
Diamond and WM 6.5
I think any hardware key can be set as Windows Key, it's simply a software setting; it needs only mapping it in the ROM.
The new phones is coming with full touch screen, Microsoft is very stupid to pretend a special hardware key!!!!!
bye
TheJackall
Can we have it WinMo 6.5???
http://www.zune.net/en-US/products/kin/default.htm?Mnthly&c7hero
no unless someone ports it?
kin is not a windows mobile or even windows CE based device
it's just a generic os phone made by sharp which ms oem and skin and let interface with zune software to get some mobile news press untill they are ready with their windows phone 7 devices
you can't port software from such a platform (or lack of same) to ours more then you can iphone apps
Rudegar said:
kin is not a windows mobile or even windows CE based device
it's just a generic os phone made by sharp which ms oem and skin and let interface with zune software to get some mobile news press untill they are ready with their windows phone 7 devices
you can't port software from such a platform (or lack of same) to ours more then you can iphone apps
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Kin is based on Windows Phone 7 or some lite derivative of it so its based on CE7.
How can we move forward by continuing what we were used to do with WM6.5 on WP7 & HD7
I have just purchased HD7 and was expecting to move easily from WM6.5 on my previous diamond to WP7.
One of my reasons why I am buing a windows phone device is that all my history of work for more than 10 years was stored on windows mobile... It is true that I find some difficulties when upgrading, but there is always a way to upgrade and take with you your old staff...
Here is a surprise ...
This was a chat that i made on microsoft official Website...
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-How can we move forward by continuing what we were used to do with WP6.5 and work with WP7?
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DESCRIPTION:
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-Ok it seems that i will regret buying my new HTC HD7 that operates Windows phone 7.
-I have my own software that i purchased for windows phone 6.5 and i have no idea if I am able to install these softwares on windows phone 7.
-I use these software in my work and the backup softwares that i was used to for getting back all my contacts and SMS's... If anyone have a solution for this please reply and help the windows phone users.
-I beleive I am not the only one suffering from the same problem.
-Is Microsoft asking us to go and buy again the same softwares just for the reason of being windows phone 7?
-Ok, let us think forward, I will buy the new windows phone 7 apps but I want to be sure that these apps can also work on windows phone 6.5 so that i can continue building up by taking my old personal files and continue.
-I don't think it is a good idea to restart from scratch again...!
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REPLY: from Joel Ivory Johnson
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Cutting straight to the conclusion, Windows Phone isn't a form of Windows Mobile and has no compatibility with it. You can't use your Windows Mobile software on it.
If you want to see the full reasons behing the break away from Windows Mobile for a consumer solution you will want to watch the 15 February 2010 announcement from the Mobile World Congress for what was then called "Windows Phone 7 Series" (by Joe Belfiore and Steve Ballmer). The best way I can summarize it is that Microsoft couldn't provide the user experience they aimed for while retaining backwards compatibility. With the shrinking marketshare of Windows Mobile among consumers it would appear that the lost of past investments was already a shrinking concern (after all as users moved to Android and iPhone they were separating themselves from the past software investments. So no matter what it is bound to happen).
So Microsoft designed a new operating system for consumers and Windows Mobile (now called Windows Embedded Handheld) is still around as an enterprise solution and evolving in it's own direction.
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WoW... it was really shocking ... Now microsoft is asking me again to forget about my work in the last years...
I am ordered to push the button and restart or else i will be outdated...
does anyone have a suggestion ?
Now, I will not only think of changing my operating system, I'll think of changing my whole life and go to any other company that would respect people efforts over the years... And i have nothing to sacrifice this time, by anyways I will lose my previous work...
Thanks Microsoft for wasting 10 years of my life... (I started to work on windows mobile since this old i-mate 2020, anyone remember?)
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NOW:
-What do you think? -Any suggestion? -Any work arround? -Should we go back?
Move on, adapt to changes. I think Microsoft did a good thing starting from scratch. I mean.. if there was no Windows Phone 7 you would have either moved to Android, iOS, Blackberry or Symbian(Which is as good as dead by now). Then you would have had to start all over again with everything unless you wanted to use an archaic phone with an even more archaic OS.
As a good rule of thumb, it's always beneficial to do some research on what you are purchasing before you go ahead with the purchase.
As you have found out, Windows Mobile 6.5 is nothing like or even related to Windows Phone 7 (aside from the similarities in the name). Applications from Windows Mobile are not compatible with Windows Phone, and the same is true the other way around.
If you like Windows Mobile 6.5, you should stick with it. You'll be safe in knowing you will always have the latest version of Windows Mobile and won't ever have to upgrade your software again.
If you switch to Windows Phone 7, you switch to a brand new (version 1.0) platform. Kinda like switching from a PC to a Mac. So you'll be buying and building new apps for your new platform and will have to find ways to work with the new platform. You'll find that both Windows Mobile 6.5 and Windows Phone 7 have their positives and negatives, and you just need to figure out what works best for you and stick with it.
You remember moving from 3.11 -> Win 95, Win 98 -> XP, and XP -> Vista... Win CE -> WM5
Now it is WM6.5 -> WP7...
Microsoft always do the same...
Don't you remember some good staff you had on your Win98 that you miss now?
I am an Engineer, I was used to use multiple engineering softwares that creat special file formats. Also some general softwares like GPS Tracking software, Graphic Calculators, and more...
Now Microsoft dicovered that it is out of the competition due to Android OS, and Iphone. So instead of holding its previous clients who where Using there PPC for real business applications and paying lots on cash for doing this, Microsoft decides to go with the easy trend. Some funny games, some animation, BUT WHERE IS THE CORE?
Now Windows Phone 7 looks to me like any simbian device with "MS office" (thanks god, they did not throw it away)
Where is the origen of "Windows =(multi-tasking)"?
does anyone believe that a windows os doesn't have multi-tasking? doesn't have file explorer?
sooo weired ...
I was a fan of Microsoft I always say those competitors are far away from what a PPC was made for...
Now I am shocked, even Microsoft is taking the easy way...
AmgAdly said:
You remember moving from 3.11 -> Win 95, Win 98 -> XP, and XP -> Vista... Win CE -> WM5
Now it is WM6.5 -> WP7...
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And this is where you misunderstand. Your progress chart is kinda off.
Win 1.x -> Win 2.x -> Win 3.x -> Win 95 -> Win 98 -> Win ME (end)
Win NT 3.x -> WinNT 4 -> Win 2000 (end)
Then the Windows consumer kernel and the Windows NT kernel were combined to create Windows XP.
Win XP -> Win Vista -> Win 7
The above are three separate lines of products but they happen to share the same brand name. Windows ME was the last of its product line. Upgrading from the Windows ME line to XP was a rather turbulent experience as it broke support for many hardware devices and offered little support for older software (though of course, there were always ways to make it work).
As for the Windows Mobile and Windows Phone lines.
... -> WM 6.0 -> WM 6.1 -> WM 6.5
WP7
Windows Mobile 6.5 and below are not part of the Windows Phone 7 line of software. They are two separate software product lines. Though they share similar names, which is a marketing tactic (a failed one I might add), but that's where the similarities end.
A sentiment shared by most people in the industry (and most consumers), Windows Mobile was (is) a dead platform and could not succeed any longer in its current form in this modern market. So its development has ended, and a new product was created called Windows Phone 7. WP7 is built from scratch, and because of that, it does not have all the features that the 10+ year old Windows Mobile product has. Given time, Windows Phone 7 will become an even better mobile platform than it currently is, but until then, if you are not happy with the kinds of things Windows Phone 7 brings to the table, then by all means switch to something else that does, or stick with Windows Mobile.
You bring up points that countless others have brought up before, and your complaints will yield no results, so its rather useless to complain. Not to mention, it is rather unfair to compare a product less than a year old to a product that has more than 10 years of development time. Of course Windows Mobile has got more features. That's just common sense.
What kind of a business tactic involves supporting a 10 year old product that doesn't cut it anymore? In this modern day of smartphones, the game has changed, so Microsoft needed to change with it.
So you are right, PPC is made for a different type of person, and Windows Phone 7 is not PPC, not even close.
You're a little off on your chart as well.
Win2000 is NT5.0. XP is NT5.1. They should be listed on the same line.
Just sayin'.
Thank you all for your reply...
As you mentioned, we should move forward... There was a nice PIM backup software that we used to backup our SMS's and contacts...
Is there any news about a new version to work on WP7 and use the Backup files we created on WM6.5 to be restored on WP7?
or any fix to run PIM backup software (in compatiblity view) (run as WM6.5 app) on WP7...?
We need to go forward and at least keep some backup of our SMS's ... right?
Thank you!
prjkthack said:
And this is where you misunderstand. Your progress chart is kinda off.
Win 1.x -> Win 2.x -> Win 3.x -> Win 95 -> Win 98 -> Win ME (end)
Win NT 3.x -> WinNT 4 -> Win 2000 (end)
Then the Windows consumer kernel and the Windows NT kernel were combined to create Windows XP.
Win XP -> Win Vista -> Win 7
The above are three separate lines of products but they happen to share the same brand name. Windows ME was the last of its product line. Upgrading from the Windows ME line to XP was a rather turbulent experience as it broke support for many hardware devices and offered little support for older software (though of course, there were always ways to make it work).
As for the Windows Mobile and Windows Phone lines.
... -> WM 6.0 -> WM 6.1 -> WM 6.5
WP7
Windows Mobile 6.5 and below are not part of the Windows Phone 7 line of software. They are two separate software product lines. Though they share similar names, which is a marketing tactic (a failed one I might add), but that's where the similarities end.
A sentiment shared by most people in the industry (and most consumers), Windows Mobile was (is) a dead platform and could not succeed any longer in its current form in this modern market. So its development has ended, and a new product was created called Windows Phone 7. WP7 is built from scratch, and because of that, it does not have all the features that the 10+ year old Windows Mobile product has. Given time, Windows Phone 7 will become an even better mobile platform than it currently is, but until then, if you are not happy with the kinds of things Windows Phone 7 brings to the table, then by all means switch to something else that does, or stick with Windows Mobile.
You bring up points that countless others have brought up before, and your complaints will yield no results, so its rather useless to complain. Not to mention, it is rather unfair to compare a product less than a year old to a product that has more than 10 years of development time. Of course Windows Mobile has got more features. That's just common sense.
What kind of a business tactic involves supporting a 10 year old product that doesn't cut it anymore? In this modern day of smartphones, the game has changed, so Microsoft needed to change with it.
So you are right, PPC is made for a different type of person, and Windows Phone 7 is not PPC, not even close.
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I'm quoting this because this is just about the best explanation I have seen so far. Honestly, this should be at the top of every WP7 related page on this forum. This is very well thought out, and articulated version of what I keep screaming everytime I read/see the same stuff.
"Quit cryin!" Get over it or move to Android (which IMO is Windows MOBILE 7+)
You're not going to cry MS into reverting back to WM6.'whatever'. So you can roll with it or move and roll in another direction.
You can keep backups of your SMS messages by utilizing Microsoft MyPhone (WinMo 6.5), which syncs your texts to your live account.
Unfortunately, no way to get those texts to your WP7. But you can always look at them.
http://myphone.microsoft.com
jimbonics said:
You're a little off on your chart as well.
Win2000 is NT5.0. XP is NT5.1. They should be listed on the same line.
Just sayin'.
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I separated Windows 2000 from XP because it is considered that Windows 2000 was the end of the whole "business-only" Windows platform (at the time 2000 was released, ME was also not far behind, so it was still billed as the separate "consumer" and "business" platforms), even though it was technically the first hybrid kernel Windows platform. It was only when XP was released that it was considered the first of the consumer/business hybrid platform. So therefore I think that warrants it to be part of a separate line on its own since its all been based on XP's whole hybrid mantra since then.
So yes, on either line, technically, it'd be correct. Haha.
The best indicator of whether something is good and valuable is the equipment price. At the beginning of the HD7 was very expensive and no one knew what it is WP7. After several months, it appears that it is better to give the phone to be utilized than to sell it on ebay. Nice phone on which you can do a little.