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TyTn II, Touch Cruise or wait?

Hello,
I'm really hesitating, any advice welcome.
I presently have a 8310 and my main uses are Exchange ActiveSync, internet browsing (long commutes) and SMS.
I would like a new 3G WiFi phone with a bigger screen, if possible faster, and GPS would be cool.
The TyTn II seems almost perfect but I hear the batteries are limited, it is not that fast & there are 3D problems. So I guess there will be a TyTn III, but when?
The Cruise seems cool, but is it easy to write small text messages?
So really the question is, TyTn II, Cruise or wait?
Thanks,
Cedric

If they could get the TyTN II Radio chip & the video preformance to work I would say TyTN II.
Or else Touch Cruise.
But the Cruise looks ugly :O

I would wait for the Touch Cruise II.

eddythepeddy said:
I would wait for the Touch Cruise II.
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Thanks.
Which issues do you see with the present Touch Cruise?

I would stay away from HTC products altogether. Unless customer service is not important for you and you enjoy companies treating you like s*** after you've paid their products dearly..

I exchanged 4 TyTN IIs (ATT Tilt version) before finally getting one without a problem. I almost even went back to the original TyTN (ATT 8525).
So I say wait for a new release.

ericc191 said:
I exchanged 4 TyTN IIs (ATT Tilt version) before finally getting one without a problem. I almost even went back to the original TyTN (ATT 8525).
So I say wait for a new release.
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Tilt sucks anyway

I would go for the Cruise. Texting without a physical keyboard is not that important anymore with the invent of innovative soft keyboards (SIP's) such as the Cooket's TouchPal and the PCM keyboard.
Presently I have the TyTn II and I find myself using the slide out keyboard less and less and most of the time I am using Cootek's Touchpal for example this message.

srmz said:
I would go for the Cruise. Texting without a physical keyboard is not that important anymore with the invent of innovative soft keyboards (SIP's) such as the Cooket's TouchPal and the PCM keyboard.
Presently I have the TyTn II and I find myself using the slide out keyboard less and less and most of the time I am using Cootek's Touchpal for example this message.
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Yes, I posted about this yesterday as well. I am leaning towards selling my Tilt and getting the Cruise when it comes out, but it really depends on whether the touch screen is better. If it the same as the Tilt (not sensitive enough for scrolling and swiping plus prone to unintentional taps), I'll stick with the Tilt.
My post...
Touch screen features on Kaiser vs Elf/Cruise
Not that I am really disappointed with the Kaiser, but I have been wondering as of late if the Crusie might be a better fit for me. All things considered, internally the two are pretty similar with the only additional feature of the Crusie being FM radio, which I would probably use.
Externally, the Cruise goes SANS keyboard in favor of the touch screen. In keeping with the touch screen design, it has far fewer buttons over all and has a slight size advantage.
So looking at it, the package is pretty attractive, seems less prone to mechanical wear and tear and I find myself wondering if I could do without the slide out keyboard. I am pretty good with the block recognizer, and in cases where I might use a keyboard, some of the adaptations of the iPhone soft keyboard seem like they would be a decent alternative for my relatively light keyboard use.
Getting down to it though, I am a bit concerned I would be disappointed with the touch screen, and if the touch screen does not work well, I would definitely rather have the keyboard.
So my question is if anyone has some hard facts on the differences between the screen technologies. does it work like the iPhone where it responds only to touch, not to inadvertant tabs while in you pocket or in the case?
Can anyone can provide a "hands on" comparison between using the touch features on the Kasier, vs using the touch features on the Cruise. Or given that the Cruise is pertty new, is the Elf screen technology exactly the same such that trying one out would give me a good indication of how the Cruise would work?

xmoo said:
Tilt sucks anyway
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why, because you were lucky enough to pay more for your version?
anyways, i say get the tytn II now, as the anticipation and wait for it took a long time to materialize, and its replacement hasn't really leaked yet even. the kaisers and tilts i've seen and had were definitely problem-free.

Thanks for all the inputs.
Seems that the screen keyboard works good enough to replace a hardware one.
I'll have a look at the Polaris when it is available and if it's not as ugly as it looks I'll go for it.
Otherwise I'll wait for a Touch II, which I hope will have a decent processor, Wifi, 3G+, GPS and who knows perhaps a VGA screen

I'm sorry, WHAT? let's try some logical deductive reasoning... okay?
jgermuga said:
Yes, I posted about this yesterday as well. I am leaning towards selling my Tilt and getting the Cruise when it comes out, but it really depends on whether the touch screen is better. If it the same as the Tilt (not sensitive enough for scrolling and swiping plus prone to unintentional taps), I'll stick with the Tilt.
My post...
Touch screen features on Kaiser vs Elf/Cruise
Not that I am really disappointed with the Kaiser, but I have been wondering as of late if the Crusie might be a better fit for me. All things considered, internally the two are pretty similar with the only additional feature of the Crusie being FM radio, which I would probably use.
Externally, the Cruise goes SANS keyboard in favor of the touch screen. In keeping with the touch screen design, it has far fewer buttons over all and has a slight size advantage.
So looking at it, the package is pretty attractive, seems less prone to mechanical wear and tear and I find myself wondering if I could do without the slide out keyboard. I am pretty good with the block recognizer, and in cases where I might use a keyboard, some of the adaptations of the iPhone soft keyboard seem like they would be a decent alternative for my relatively light keyboard use.
Getting down to it though, I am a bit concerned I would be disappointed with the touch screen, and if the touch screen does not work well, I would definitely rather have the keyboard.
So my question is if anyone has some hard facts on the differences between the screen technologies. does it work like the iPhone where it responds only to touch, not to inadvertant tabs while in you pocket or in the case?
Can anyone can provide a "hands on" comparison between using the touch features on the Kasier, vs using the touch features on the Cruise. Or given that the Cruise is pertty new, is the Elf screen technology exactly the same such that trying one out would give me a good indication of how the Cruise would work?
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I'm going let comments above stand for themselves as I present some real facts for consideration:
Tilt/kaiser/tytn II: screen sensitivity is adjustable and may be calibrated bilinearly with the apropriate software through the rom, or during field test mode.
- processor is 2x as powerful as the touch.
- 4x amount of ram & 2x the amount for rom, AND can handle larger sd cards that the elf.
ELF's digitizer is the very same as the kaiser but based on multi-point user interface, which was in final stages of delopment/testing when kaiser was released. it's predacessor (8525/hermes) had the same screen as the 8125/Wizard.
the tilt is quick both using it's own IE App or to tether s the conection for a pc or laptop.
look at the raw specks and capabilities hands down, it's not even questionable, tilt overpowers the touch period. it's a fact, plain and simple. the only purpose for the elf was htc's knee jerk response to the iphone, before they knew what horrendous disasters the iphones were going to become.
seriously, I've field tested all the PDA phones for cingular/att plus a few others including touch. touch was designed around an interface. focused on ensuring the interface thread priority superceeded all else... good for apearance, nothing else.

I have two Tilts and one Kaiser.
I have had no problems with them.
Maybe I am not as demanding as other people.
The Tilts are running Dutty's HTC Hybrid Final as is the Kaiser.
Have tried all the new ROM's but always come back to it.

Wait for a new release or, if the size / weight isn't a problem, get a HTC Universal. I think the Tilt will be only worth the price if and only if the 3D / video drivers are fixed - in no way in its present state. (Of course, if you won't want to play back movies / play games at all, this won't be an issue for you.)
Alternatively, you might want to consider getting the Nokia N95, particularly if you're into multimedia and don't necessarily need touchscreen / thumbboard - you'll love it with the new, v20 firmware. It's just lovely: lightweight, very fast, is Next Gen N-Gage compliant, has 3D hardware acceleration, has the best multimedia features (built-in, stereo speakers, built-in even UPnP support and a decent A2DP implementation - much better than that of the Tilt / Kaiser) and knows a lot "out of the box", even w/o installing third-party apps.

djblu said:
I'm going let comments above stand for themselves as I present some real facts for consideration:
Tilt/kaiser/tytn II: screen sensitivity is adjustable and may be calibrated bilinearly with the apropriate software through the rom, or during field test mode.
- processor is 2x as powerful as the touch.
- 4x amount of ram & 2x the amount for rom, AND can handle larger sd cards that the elf.
ELF's digitizer is the very same as the kaiser but based on multi-point user interface, which was in final stages of delopment/testing when kaiser was released. it's predacessor (8525/hermes) had the same screen as the 8125/Wizard.
the tilt is quick both using it's own IE App or to tether s the conection for a pc or laptop.
look at the raw specks and capabilities hands down, it's not even questionable, tilt overpowers the touch period. it's a fact, plain and simple. the only purpose for the elf was htc's knee jerk response to the iphone, before they knew what horrendous disasters the iphones were going to become.
seriously, I've field tested all the PDA phones for cingular/att plus a few others including touch. touch was designed around an interface. focused on ensuring the interface thread priority superceeded all else... good for apearance, nothing else.
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That's a good comparison of the TyTN II to the Touch, but I think he was asking about the Touch Cruise? Same CPU and memory, etc. How is typing on the touch screen for a short SMS?

My device, Axim X51V, is quite a fast one, or this is my impression about this kind of CPU's. Touchpal made me feel I was using a 200MHz OMAP.
So after a few tests in which I've seen it doesn't do much I've uninstalled it quickly. Sorry, but there are better alternatives, so I won't stick to something inferior.
If anyone needs to know, I'm currently using FTPRO, it's simply the best KB so far, you can download the CAB Attached and give it a try. More details on www.fingertouchpro.com
Ciao!

Cedricm said:
Hello,
I'm really hesitating, any advice welcome.
I presently have a 8310 and my main uses are Exchange ActiveSync, internet browsing (long commutes) and SMS.
I would like a new 3G WiFi phone with a bigger screen, if possible faster, and GPS would be cool.
The TyTn II seems almost perfect but I hear the batteries are limited, it is not that fast & there are 3D problems. So I guess there will be a TyTn III, but when?
The Cruise seems cool, but is it easy to write small text messages?
So really the question is, TyTn II, Cruise or wait?
Thanks,
Cedric
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If you were getting into this a little earlier in the year i would tell you to get the tilt or htc kaiser hands down.... (same phone).
But since you are just now looking, and the HTC Diamond and HTC Touch Pro are right around the corner....I personally would recommend waiting to see what they are about. Then, watch some youtube videos, read some ACTUAL reviews from people who have the phone (not companies who review the phone). If you still want it then, buy one of those.
Many of the current devices out have issues, or flaws, that won't or SHOULDN'T exist in the upcoming series of phones. The Diamond specifically appears to have resolved most of the problems we see with our Kaiser/Tilt's.
So... my suggestion, wait it out for at least another month or so... IF you can.
Oh, and there's always the iphone 3g, and yes i'm totally 100% serious. It's a nice little gadget (even if everyone on this forum is in denial about it and hates them for some reason).

Are you going to upgrade to Sony XPERIA X1?

A simple enough poll.
Are you going to upgrade from your Kaiser to the Sony X1?
Personally I love my Kaiser, it is by far the best phone I've ever had. My only problem is the screen resolution.... Now bring along the Sony Xperia X1 and have it pretty much functionally the same as the kaiser and the larger screen resolution and you have an awesome phone.
What right now could beat the X1, the TyTN III, but it's not anounced and unlikley to be this year.
So personally I can't wait for the X1.

Definitely not, though my kaiser is not perfect, i dont think a X1 would be. i've been using Sony's laptop, cell phones, mp3,etc in the past, but everytime there are some unacceptable designs fault like easily broken buttons and leakage on machine body. They just put their efforts on design, without testing carefully the components!

it would be better to ask this question when the device is in the wild and people have had a change to review it,
it could be a lemon for all we know

andaroo said:
it would be better to ask this question when the device is in the wild and people have had a change to review it,
it could be a lemon for all we know
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That's true, but and a real but, if it is pretty much the same as the Kaiser, with the higher resolution, slighly faster processor and graphics drivers (which I doubt really HTC want to fix for the kaiser) then this will be a killer phone.

Can we have another option please? Something along the lines of:
No, I'm not touching another device made by HTC, no matter who they're working with.

I like to try new gadget. So, for me, definitely I'm going to upgrade to Sony Xperia X1. If it's not going to be that good, I'll be back to my Tytn II.

It's really too soon to say, it looks good from this distance, but until there are real world reports on performance etc it's not possible to judge. I'd like it to be a killer device that I could upgrade to with confidence, but my previous experience of both SE and HTC tells me to wait.
It's still possible that this phone will only be a minor improvement on the Kaiser, and the Kaiser itself may still be improved in the meantime (through the work going on here, if not at HTC).

If I didn't have the Kaiser I would buy the X1 no doubt about that - but for my use there just isn't enough new stuff under the cover to make me go away from the Kaiser...

Oh yes please!!!!!
I will definitely check it out closer to launching but from what I have seen up to now I don't see any reason that I would not take it. I use to be a SE fan before I got into ppc's. I was looking for OS freedom, that is why I started with WM devices. I liked my Wizard and after almost 2 weeks can't find fault with my new Kaiser. Deep down I'm still a SE fan though.
Can't wait for launch date :

Not sure...I really like the larger screen and the buttons on the X1 as they are spaced out.
It also seems to be lighter/thinner which would be a plus.
But hopefully when the release WM7.0, it will make the Kaiser UI much more friendly and interactive.
None of this is confirmed and this is just a mockup, but it looks really sharp: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Windows-Mobile-7-0-Preview-or-Simple-Mockup-75751.shtml
For the most part though I really like my Kaiser

vip3r69 said:
I will definitely check it out closer to launching but from what I have seen up to now I don't see any reason that I would not take it. I use to be a SE fan before I got into ppc's. I was looking for OS freedom, that is why I started with WM devices. I liked my Wizard and after almost 2 weeks can't find fault with my new Kaiser. Deep down I'm still a SE fan though.
Can't wait for launch date :
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I heard that the actual release date will be in 2009 Feb

You all know that this is Sony Ericsson right?? I will get it when I have the money and the time
Also no that was a typo.

its made by HTC
apparently

belon_cfy said:
I heard that the actual release date will be in 2009 Feb
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SE have confirmed that was just a mistake on their website, the release date stands at H2 - meaning anytime between July and December this year.

i just went on the sony website and watched their commercial. Its the crappiest commercial to advertise the phone. Its 6 seconds of the phone in action, and the rest is flying paper airplane.
I cant decide whether I want it or not. if it has all the things kaiser does, then yeah, but otherwise most likely not.

In theory it has all that the Kaiser has, plus a higher resolution screen. The really killer difference though is the size and weight - it really is a LOT smaller, and a lot more pocketable, while still retaining that full qwerty etc.

Boinng said:
In theory it has all that the Kaiser has, plus a higher resolution screen. The really killer difference though is the size and weight - it really is a LOT smaller, and a lot more pocketable, while still retaining that full qwerty etc.
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The most important feature is the keyboard. Sure that's why we all have the Kaiser right...
Size is important, but too small and you can't type. You'd end up with a Treo/ Blackberry/ Samsung type keypad and I can't stand those buttons, way too small.
In saying that though, the thickness is really important, it would be great if it was a lot thinner, but again if you go too thin you get into that area that samsung have been pushing. Have you tried out their D900 phone, just way too thin, pain in the a*s to press those keys.
Also weight. Kaiser is definatly the heaviest phone i've used, but I don't find it that bad. I thought it was going to be way to heavy, my old eTen m600 a lot lighter, but really I don't mind it at all.
A bit lighter, a bit smaller, a lot thinner, with the bigger screen, the better keyboard layout and we have a winner.
I can't wait to see the phones out in 2010!

As a long standing HTC user I have been happy with the MDA Vario III overall but the display problems and poor quality camera (slow screen refresh etc) have been a BIG disapointment. The poor response from HTC has been even worse and what appears to be a complete lack of customer service has really
put me off them!
I am certainly looking forward to checking out the XPERIA X1 in the flesh..
Sony have generally delivered a good solid handset in the past and the battery life and camera are often excellent too. As long as they get the whole package to come together and the initial feedback is good I will consider letting my Vario III go.
The only issue for me will be that I am currently only 5 months into a contract with T-Mobile so I will need to get a SIM free or go for a second contract. Oh the price we pay for technological advances!
Zippyioa

Rather than listen to the hype, I'd need to see it and test drive it.
It's gotta be head and shoulders above what the Kaiser has to offer, because I'm not the type of guy to upgrade just to have the latest.
Good thing my last HTC device was a Blue Angel and not a Wizard or Hermes, or I'd still be using it

personally i dont really care HOW much of an upgrade it is from TytnII to X1...of course it'd be nice if all the problems of the tytnii be fixed in the x1 but i just like to try new phones...so i will try out the x1...if i dont like it..worst case is go back to the tytnii...so no lost

It's pretty obvious now what the specs of the Tytn III are going to be...

Now that we know the specs and looks of the new Raphael device, which is the successor of the Titan(mogul) line (which is the clone line of the Tytn line), we can already guess the specs of the Tytn III, to a high level of accuracy.
So, in essence, the Tytn III is going to differ from the Tytn II, in that it will have a VGA screen (still 2.8"), and will feature a slicker design where the front surface will be one plane (like the cruise), probably with pointy corners, smaller depth and lighter weight.
Hardware video acceleration is still an unknown.
That's basically it.
Is it enough for an upgrade ?

vga alone is enough for an update for me. Also HTC said they would never again not include video drivers for their future phones. if this is true I'd be more than happy to give them another go.

There's still too many unknowns at the moment, I don't think it's possible to judge just yet. The all important drivers will be a major, major issue for some - this device could be absolutely stunning in performance, or it could be just a small increase on the Kaiser (if at all), we just don't know.
I think, after what happened with the Tytn II, a lot of people will be waiting for real world comprehensive hands-on reports before they consider an upgrade. Too many people got their fingers burnt on what they assumed would be in the current model.

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Also HTC said they would never again not include video drivers for their future phones.
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Did they, really?? All I remember is an offish, wooly statement to the effect that undisclosed future devices would probably be more video-centric, I don't remember any solemn promises about what all future phones might have. The way you word it makes it sound as if HTC were actually apologetic or admitted fault in some way, and that's certainly not the case!

We also can't rule out the possibility that if the Tytn III comes with a video driver, than it will be possible to port it to the Tytn II.
The Tytn II with hardware video acceleration will be a totally different device too...
The 2.8" screen is a *tiny* screen. I'm not sure how much VGA is going to add to the overall experience on such a tiny screen... but on the other hand, video acceleration is going to be a big thing.
I'm simply annoyed that I'm going to spend money on the Tytn III mainly to get a feature I should have gotten with the Tytn II - hardware video acceleration. This is just not fair.
If the Tytn III does not come with the driver, there is no way I'm upgrading though.

HTC is a bunch of douche bags. They have either forgotten or never understood how to deliver on cutomer needs. If the TyTNII adds video acceleration (which is still a big question mark) and VGA it will not imo be a worthy upgrade. I just paid $700 for this TyTNII! Honestly, I think ppl need to get out of the mindset that we need to let HTC nickel and dime us to death with little upgrades and big disappointments. I might have to wait a little while until 2009, but I want my next device to be based on the Nvidia APX 2500. Look into it, that chip is sick. Hopefully I will be able to say "bye bye" to HTC for good.

Noam23 said:
Now that we know the specs and looks of the new Raphael device, which is the successor of the Titan(mogul) line (which is the clone line of the Tytn line), we can already guess the specs of the Tytn III, to a high level of accuracy.
So, in essence, the Tytn III is going to differ from the Tytn II, in that it will have a VGA screen (still 2.8"), and will feature a slicker design where the front surface will be one plane (like the cruise), probably with pointy corners, smaller depth and lighter weight.
Hardware video acceleration is still an unknown.
That's basically it.
Is it enough for an upgrade ?
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I think the big question is, would anyone buy another htc device again... frig, I'm still waiting for the proper video drivers for the tytn 2!! and the problem with the video drivers is not going to be solved once they come out, the big problem facing htc is that we had to wait how friggin long to get them!!!
anyway, if apple comes out with a iphone with everything people want (the iphone 2, or 3 ... maybe 4), htc will end up making nothing but low end cell phones to just survive... keep an eye on htc's stock the next time a new iphone comes out.
So to answer your question, no I'd never upgrade to another htc unless they get their sh*t together. ...would be great if htc gave us fools that bought the tytn2 a trade in / upgrade!

any idea when it might be out?

It will probably get announced at the beginning of May, with the rest of the new HTC devices, and be released at September, same as the Tytn II and I.
So to answer your question, no I'd never upgrade to another htc unless they get their sh*t together. ...
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margatenj,
They will never release drivers for the Tytn II, it will not be economically wise for them to pay the fees retroactively, for a soon to be a discontinued model. Many people who never bought HTC before will love to buy the Tytn III with video acceleration drivers. It is going to be a huge hit for newcomers who don't know or don't care how HTC fu%@ed up their customers in the past.
And let's admit it, some of us current owners will happily upgrade to the Tytn III, even if the only difference will be the inclusion of hardware video drivers. It's not like you lose all the money on the current Tytn II, you ebay it, but there is still going to be some $400 difference...

my guess is that Tytn III will be almost identical to sonyericsson Xperia.

You have to understand that the Titan and Tytn lines are identical. The Tytn III will look identical to the Raphael.
I'm willing to bet money on this (if anyone wants to lose his money, that is).

Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
The resolution thing would be nice though....Excel sheet really need more screen estate

VGA screen and no drivers..... o dear.... o no.... imagine the speed.. probably 4x slower than the kaiser.

Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
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I don't want to wach movies on my Kaiser, nor do I want to play 3D games.
All I ask is that once I open the hardware keyboard, the screen will shift from portrait to landscape, *instantaniously*, at all times.
Without hardware video acceleration, this is impossible.

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I don't want to wach movies on my Kaiser, nor do I want to play 3D games.
All I ask is that once I open the hardware keyboard, the screen will shift from portrait to landscape, *instantaniously*, at all times.
Without hardware video acceleration, this is impossible.
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Sure you don't.... but my guess is that the other 90% of geeks over on this board DOES want all that....which isn't very realistic.
And IMHO it's neither realistic to expect an instant (as in 0,000 seconds) switch of orientation from an OS that has gotten almost as big as Windows98 over the years... I think a lag of about two seconds is at least acceptable and realistic for a device that was developed throughout 2006.
I do agree that every thinkable technical advance is very welcome. And in case of forthcoming VGA devices also very neccesary to keep that lag acceptable...
As for the geeks; get an iPhone...a PSP...or whatever...
And since your location nor device is disclosed from your profile....i must just assume your using a crap ROM...maybe get another?

And since your location nor device is disclosed from your profile....i must just assume your using a crap ROM...maybe get another?
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I'm using NoThrill's 6.1 ROM for my Kaiser. One of the fastest ROMs available.
Yes, sometimes the lag is 1 second or less, and at other times it's more.
This frigging lag causes me many times to skip opening the keyboard altogether if the message isn't long, and just type with the stylus.
Hardware video acceleration provides a totally different experience than software acceleration. Try to use your desktop computer with software video acceleration and tell me how you like it, even for the most basic things like rendering 2D images of the interface.

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This frigging lag causes me many times to skip opening the keyboard altogether if the message isn't long, and just type with the stylus.
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Then i guess everybody has quite a different treshold of what to define as an anoying lag.... Personally, i never ever use the onscreen keyboard, i always use the hardware keyboard and keys, and to me the rotation of about 1,5 secs is perfectly acceptable
To me the TyTN II has all i could need for the foreseeable future, and new devices with VGA are nice (aspecially for browsing and office apps), but in no way worth an upgrade. Just plugged in an 8Gb card today , and i'll get WM 6.1 as soon as the official one is there, and then i'll keep running this until 2010 or till it dies...

Moaske said:
Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...
The resolution thing would be nice though....Excel sheet really need more screen estate
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...Im pretty cool with the II Even watching TV through Slinbox is ok enough for me. It'd be nice if the III went onna diet and slimmed down some and had some more onboard memory but how much more is that gonna cost me?? Still it's one powerfull little device..IMHO

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...Still it's one powerfull little device..IMHO
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Amen! brother...

Low resell value (2nd hand prices) of Diamond?

Hi all,
Just picked up an as-new Diamond for only £180, and I am pretty chuffed. But this makes me wonder, why is the second hand price of the Diamond so low? This phone hasn't even been available en mass for 6 months, and is still the latest model. I would have thought it would be more like £250 second hand rather than £180?
Thoughts?
Oh it is a very nice upgrade from the Polaris by the way Slimmer and loving the VGA screen. Just that the battery isn't really up to it.
Thanks.

At a guess probably because the Touch HD and X1 are around the corner.....

X1 I can understand.
But HD is targetted at different customers surely?
Slim/style = Diamond (used to be Polaris)
Keyboard = Pro (used to be Kaiser)
Fully featured = HD (used to be Athena???)

suggest you have a close look at the Touch HD...I think you might find that its way superior specs (including screen acerage, SD card, battery!) outway the downside of a slightly bigger device
....my humble opinion of course
er, btw, never seen a modile phone/PDA hold its price for more than 3mnths...only as good as the next released model

I think the resale price is determined by one key factor ... the Diamond is a bit crap

All it takes for the price of the Diamond to drop is for people to visit these forums. I mean come on, why wouldn't the price drop when they all overheat and most of them have screen/display issues?

As already mentioned, the fact that the HD is in the pipeline will be having an impact, plus many people are selling because the Diamond wasn't what they had wanted or hoped for. I've heard more than one story outside of this forum.
WM is a bit of a shock to be honest compared to the reliability and functionality of a Nokia - or even the iphone. IMO, HTC haven't helped things by rolling out a set of half-finished software which manages to suck while pushing the hardware a little too hard.
I'm talking about TF3D here, with its poor, inflexible homescreen and badly limited program launcher. It's unable to display landscape so they decided to disable landscape mode entirely and I just don't believe that the photo contacts tab was originally intended to display just 15 people. Then there's the dialer bloatware (with its handy pocket-unlocking feature) and the bugs in the implementation of Opera!
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with my Diamond now that I've flashed, re-flashed and gone with 3rd-party today plugins. I love what it can do given its compact size but I know many people will have been disappointed and that will inevitably knock down the resale price.

Have anyone regretted buying HTC Diamond 2?

Any reason?
Because I'm planning to get one, looking for some feedbacks and advices.
Is in dilemma between HTC diamond 2 and HTC touch pro 2

Nope. LOVE IT!

Hi!
I can only speak for my self, but I totally love the device. If I had to choose a different device, it would have been the TouchHD, with one of the new cooked ROMs that almost makes the HD into a "large" diamond2
I guest that some would like a hardware keyboard, but after installing FingerKeyboard 2.1 the need for a HW keyboard is totally vanished.
Regards,
PK

I did regret initially when i got the device as i was moving from iphone. The sensitivity was an issue. But now i totally adore it.. So many mods, themes and apps available for diamond 2. I am so used to the phone now

Sheldon Cooper said:
Any reason?
Because I'm planning to get one, looking for some feedbacks and advices.
Is in dilemma between HTC diamond 2 and HTC touch pro 2
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i had the same dilema.
There are some pros and cons, from my p.o.v., regarding TP2, and the first is price. Does it worth 100 e. (at least)? Only for kb, no. For the screen, yes, but then we have THD, wich is bigger! What remains? Super-extra feature: conference bla-bla... no thanks, i don't need that. Anything else? Oh, camera... 5 vs. 3 Mp., so worse. And no radio.
One more: now vs. "soon".
I choose NOW.

No regrets here

Hi there,
I also love it! There is only one thing I miss from my former Kaiser and that's the Scroll-Wheel for "one-hand" usage just operated by the thumb.
I hope to get the Zoom-Bar replaced for scrolling, though.
Regards,
JTGBDR

Me tooshort battery life. soft speakers.even tweaks etc dont improve that much

Really love the improvement from the Diamond I had before. Some outstanding apps. og programs

No regrets here. Love it to death. Will make babies with it.

TD2 is the best yet from HTC IMO
LUV IT!

I must say I have no regrets buying my Diamond 2,
But there are some minor ignorances that I encountered,
But I am sure either HTC will fix them, Or you are able to tweak them.
The not so good radio reception (in some countries with some providers) will need a new radio by HTC
The not rotating applications can be fixed by a minor tweak aswell.
One thing I seriously can't stand is the incompatibility with games )
Like Guitar Hero 3, it installs great, but doesn't start (Trial by Microsoft)
Although I think if the developers of the game would put in some effort, It would work in no time.
But that's just my opinion
I hope that you enjoy whichever phone you buy
- Jeutie

no regrets at all.
Would buy it again. and again and again :-D

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No regrets here. Love it to death. Will make babies with it.
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LOL, same here
However, this device is most suitable for POWER USERS (meaning: you love tweaking and installing new stuff on your device). If you need a phone for calling, SMS, e-mails and a little browsing, the iPhone 3G beats the diamond2 due to it's amazingly sensitive screen and UI.
Touch Pro2 is for business users. You get a keyboard, hence it's gigantic.

No regret at all, for me it is the best WM device at the moment, and currently I prefer WM over other mobile OS (do not like symbian, WebOs not here yet, Android not ready imho (and should be installable on the TD2 anyway), and I can not stand Apple policies (much more closed than microsoft starting from an opensource OS? yuck!)
I just have compared TD2 against HD, TD1, TP1 and Omnia this WeekEnd (visited a tech supermarket that add all the phones on demo to play with), and no question, the TD2 win hands down: best form factor, design and screen compared to the others. Some people may have other preferences, but the for me the TD2 hit the sweet spot: small enough, with a screen big enough and the highest resolution (and no need to go further - I would never have though to have to say it, being a resolution freak, but WVGA for 3.2 inches really is enough).
The things I would fix if I had to design the TD3 (HTC, are u hiring? ;-) ) would be more physical inputs (side wheel, more buttons, trackball maybe), slightly larger screen by reducing the borders, battery with higher capacity if possible keeping the device the same size, led flash (more for flashlight than for pics LOL), and digital compass.
Ho yes, and a different, scratch-resistant grippy back, with the possibility to use integrated flip screen cover à la Samsung Touchwiz ( http://www.letsgomobile.org/en/review/0076/samsung-f480/page3/ ). This is an excellent idea imho, the right balance between thin device and good screen protection...
And a proc that can record and play [email protected] H264 video without using more juice that the MSM7200a ;-)
Possible imho with the current technology at a price not much higher than the TD2, but then HTC would kill its upgrade revenues...
Waiting for this perfect device, the TD2 is the best approximation right now ;-)

Sheldon Cooper said:
Any reason?
Because I'm planning to get one, looking for some feedbacks and advices.
Is in dilemma between HTC diamond 2 and HTC touch pro 2
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I love my Diamond2 - had it from the day it was released in the UK. Before, I had the S710 which was a great little device but was a bit too early, didn't have 3G. I went for the Diamond2 as I think I spend more time surfing, reading news etc. on it compared to typing. That said, because it's a much more usable device, I am finding myself typing more - especially as got internet email from work.
It would be perfect but I have the following little gripes:
I don't like the way you have to answer the phone by sliding the bar. I just can't get the hang of it and tend to end up cancelling the call.
I wish it had some form of flash - but the photos it does take when the light is good are excellent. The widescreen is an interesting mode
For some reason, it starts running really slowly after a while. For example, the rather cool animation effect when flipping through text messages becomes much slower. As does whizzing up and down the list of emails. I suspect this is a problem with Garmin XT as it does seem worse after using that program. Powering down and back on fixes it.
The battery takes a long time to charge when used in a cradle. The cradle has both USB power and data (I'm aware USB alone is slower charge). The device runs very hot during charging. When ActiveSync is running, it keeps the display/device running and I suspect it's discharging almost as fast as it's charging. Shame it can't run of pure mains power when plugged in and charge the battery separately.
There aren't enough cool apps to make it really complete with the iPhone! Where's the pouring beer and fishing game apps???
Cheers, Rob.

Some slight compatibility issues put aside (since I'm a total smartphone & ppc noob) I simply love this one!.
It does irritate me that some stuff really needs to be a special version (like coreplayer, which I've tried over and over again, but only the 1.2.5 buil 4506 would actualy install and run) But in the end, you only need one version anyway. Just hope it is the newest version....
It'll probably be fixe when new roms come out. Diamond 2 is quite a new piece on the edge...

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No regrets at all. Absolutely love mine. I take mine on picnic lunches to the beach. Just me and the D2.

I've upgraded from Touch Diamond 1 and I have no regrets... Way better than TD1.

The only thing i miss is the metal frame and stylus off the Diamond 1