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Hello everyone.
I know i have very few posts. This is mainly due to the fact that i have never owned a PDA yet!!!! but.....
I am so interested in buying a KAISER
I appreciate that there are loads of threads regarding the driver issue, but could we start a new thread. I have been browsing the threads on the numerous new Qualcomm devices and i can not find a 'where the hell are we at the moment' type thread.
What i propose is that we start a thread, where only the people trying to the figure the problem out and come up with a work around can post therefore keeping everybody upto date regarding were they intend to go or were they are with there current developments.
What do you guys think about it.
I'm sorry if this seems odd but i really want to buy a KAISER when i can upgrade in FEB, and I am losing my marbles constantly checking every thread under the sun that mentions about the drivers. Maybe we can delete some threads or merge some together. I dont know what will work best, i just think it would be a good idea to have all the information in one thread rather than several with loads of other posts in them.
Once again sorry if this is **** idea!!!!!!!!
I just made a new topic concerning them but posted it in the wrong forum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1873852&posted=1#post1873852
I have lurked here a bit, originally joining a while ago to see what was possible with my XDA, but got rid of it before becoming very active. Now I am back with a WING and prayer, and technicaly still qualify as a NOOB.....
Here are my thoughts on the NOOB issue.
1. This is like a big party that we NOOBS just crashed. We show up and complain about the music, or the booze, when in truth we ought to be damn glad we are at the party at all.
2. There is an answer to almost every question buried somewhere in these forums, and if you cannot or will not search for it, then you are in the wrong place. This includes other phone model forums by the way. Don't search the Herald forum only ad then give up if there is no answer. Dig into other HTC forums and you will be surprised how many of the issues you have are already covered there.
3. This may be a personal belief, but it really pisses me off to see people encounter 1 bug and post that the ROM sucks and they are reverting. I view our collective roles as beta testers. Don't stop at 1 bug- actively seek out as many as you can so the next ROM is that much closer to perfect. I have a major issue with the ROM I am using now, but I reflash it and dig deeper anyway.
4. You will and should get flamed (or at least warmed up) for posting questions that have been answered 100,000 times before including in the post right above yours. The Chefs in the forum spend hours or even days and months cooking up these ROMS for our benefit. They are not paid to do this, though they should be (and Ihave sent donations to several). The point is, we can all spend 30 minutes going through the forum reading it all to see if the issue we have uncovered is already discussed before posting a question.
5. If you want the most out of this site, spend some effort, not only searching, but documenting. Posting you have a crash is not helpful unless you can add information like what other programs you installed (card or device), what you did to the create the issue, and how to recreate it. Then the ROM Chefs can more quicly cook up solutions.
6. Credit those who help or provide. It is human nature to appreciate being thanked or recognized- see my signature? Without those three names my Wing would be chained to the T-Mobile default ROM. Oh yeah, while on the subject- DO NOT SELL anything from this site.
Just my 2 cents....
Yes you are right.
We all started as noobs and now we yell at noobs.
BUT MAYBE the noobs from today are a little different to noobs in earlier day??????
I READ 1 year without any posting NOT EVEN when i got something to work. BECAUSE it didn´t matter if I posted. Because it was useless at all.
There are so many people out there working really hard - they don´t need another "damn i want it in red not green...."
There was a time when everyone believed each other... When the cook stated "I will find a solution" then everyone waited for this. and didn´t mentioned it again and again...
BTW I will close the thread. WE don´t need another OFF topic "How2discuss"
I wrote an announcement in HOW2.... and maybe we can start working on devices again and not on generel human beeing problems. The world is getting worse...
BUT your statement should be read by everyone!
IT is good and it is quite good to see people thinking the same....
Thanks
Hello there. I am seriously considering buying this phone and was wondering whether I should or not. Basically all the reviews are saying the same thing: that it has a lot of features that are well implemented, but it's way too slow. I was wondering just how much the tweaks and the available cooked ROMs sped things up, because I really, really want this phone.
Also, what apps from WM5 work on this device? I'm not really sure because of the VGA screen. Does PocketIRC work? What about PocketMusic? I know some applications work and others don't, I'd sort of like to know which, though :/
That information is all available in other topics. You are number #3213423 to post a topic whether he should buy it or not. We cannot decide for you. Read the possibilities yourself and make a decision. This thread, unfortunately like many, is completely useless.
i'll advice you to buy it only if you promise never to post again before you search and read all useless posts (like yrs) and reviews (full of them here and on the internet) that were written on subject. best advice: try google "diamond reviews" (so simple...)
if you don't agree with the above, than buy a polaris and go pest the polaris forum
Well that was completely rude. I decided to ask instead of searching through the hundreds of thousands of posts on this forum before I finally maybe found what I wanted. This is an GENERAL Diamond forum and people can ask whatever questions they want here, whether you choose to answer it is up to you.
Also I have done tons of research, about as much research as someone would do before they're about to shell out $600 for a phone, but the reviews don't really tell you how much cooked ROMs and tweaks help, do they?
If you pricks don't want to help me, fine. I'll ask on another, friendlier forum.
if you''l only be willing to use yr head. go to the "diamond ROM development", there are 7-8 threads with cooked ROMs. read them. usually there is one post regarding the ROM and lots of posts with comments on the ROM. read! you have even benchmarking with all ROMs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640
too lazy maybe?
If you pricks don't want to help me, fine. I'll ask on another, friendlier forum.
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now that you teached us how not to be rude please don't slam the door on yr way out.
coisman said:
Also I have done tons of research, about as much research as someone would do before they're about to shell out $600 for a phone, but the reviews don't really tell you how much cooked ROMs and tweaks help, do they?
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If you'd really done tons of research you would know that cooked ROMs really do help. That loads of software is available and that the phone is found brilliant by many users. Questions about battery, GPS etc are all easy to find. And as I've mentioned, you are not the first with these questions. You just had to look for a similar topic and you would also get the answers.
Whether or not you should buy it is completely personal. No one can enter your mind to have exactly your standards.
If you pricks don't want to help me, fine. I'll ask on another, friendlier forum.
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No need to get rude now...
coisman said:
Well that was completely rude. I decided to ask instead of searching through the hundreds of thousands of posts on this forum before I finally maybe found what I wanted. This is an GENERAL Diamond forum and people can ask whatever questions they want here, whether you choose to answer it is up to you.
Also I have done tons of research, about as much research as someone would do before they're about to shell out $600 for a phone, but the reviews don't really tell you how much cooked ROMs and tweaks help, do they?
If you pricks don't want to help me, fine. I'll ask on another, friendlier forum.
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Hmm - and that friendlier forum will probably ALSO have a rule that you should search before asking (and wasting everybody's time). Try reading this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=221545
Good luck in your new forum.
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Good luck in your new forum.
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He's back already. Within 6 minutes of his last post in this useful topic he decided to get a Diamond. Quick decider. Wonder how het got all those questions answered without this topic. I mean, it is só hard to find on this forum whether a cooked ROM helps or not!
coisman said:
This post is kinda old but I'll post my discovery.
Tigaduacellular.com is selling the Touch Diamond for the amazing price of $543! International shipping is only $15, I'm definitely getting one.
http://tigaduacellular.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=29803
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2415861&postcount=173
Some people...
Diamond + Cooked or last stock rom = WONDERFUL !!!!
I have had qtek 100, htc trinity ,htc elf, htc niki and it is the best over all in all domain (except battery life but that will be solved with new battery)
flash it
this will make you happy.....
annd will make a good phone even beter!
As a member for some time, I have seen many people post looking for advice on which ROM might best suit their needs.
Typically the response is anything from a small flame to a raging inferno. The most common response from the learned people here is for the OP to "try them all."
Well, I am finally fed up with those lame and rude responses. You see, there is absolutely nothing wrong with soliciting advice from those who have tried things and ergo have more knowledge and experience. That is why "user reviews" are so important. Think about it, have you ever asked a salesman about a product or do you just try them all? Do you eat everything on a menu, or do you ask the waiter what's good... what would best meet your needs? If you are a normal person, you ask if you have questions!
Also, there is much made about creating different threads asking for the proper advice. Well, the very nature of the request requires a new thread. Each OP might have a different set of preferences that are unique. To use the waiter example: "I don't like salty and greasy foods. I do however like light foods. What would you recommend?" You see how asking for advice has a certain individual and unique set of components?
Some people have told the OP to search and read up on all the ROMs. Well, unless your Einstein or have made ROMS your passion, no sane human can even begin to digest all the information. Some ROMS have hundreds of pages in their thread. One ROM might be a novel to itself. Some people simply don't have 40 hours to read up. Worse yet, those who do have the time, won't have a clue as to which ones to invest it in. Seriously, there are a LOT of ROMs.... with new ones being released almost daily. Unless you live here, you cannot learn about them all.
I think a fair solution would be for the fine people here to focus a bit more on creating a sticky thread of User reviews. However, it has be quite organized and kept current. There is nothing worse than sifting through a couple dozen pages in one ROM thread just to find out the bugs never were addressed in that release, rather the author issued a new separate release.
In conclusion, I think that until ROMs have a better system for Peer Review, which can be easily understood by visitors, people should lay off those seeking advice. Actually, people should be more than willing to be of help and not be so quick to blow the OP off. As for the ROM reviews, I suggest a new sub-forum for just that. It would go a long way to servicing all parties; those who seek advice, those who don't want to see it in these sub-forums, and those who want to help by giving reviews.
Well that is that.
Nice words and I partly applaud, however, you also have to see the other side. Let me reply by copying a user complain and the mod's reply out of his guest comment:
ashleyhall said:
Can I just comment that closing this thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443839
...is simply ridiculous. As the owner/moderator of a large internet forum myself, my moderators and I actively encourage discussion and the airing of personal views - if someone asks an opinion, you expect responses based on personal opinion, otherwise what is the point of a forum?!!?
Absolutely ridiculous, bad moderation, pathetic infact, very disappointed...
Regards, Ashley Hall
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Ashley,
Thank you for your opinion. The Guidelines for the Kaiser Section were not invented by me solely and for no reason.
The reasons most Kaiser Mods discourage this type of thread, is these threads not only can create hard feelings between chefs but has been known to lead to all out flame wars
If you want to know peoples personal opinions on ROM, you are more than welcome to ask these questions in the ROM thread.
Also, the Kaiser forum is very active and placing peoples opinions of ROMs in the ROM Thread, where the chef can see and respond to such opinions, is more helpful to the community at large.
This guideline was not created to stop person opinions and speech. But to lead to a better organized Forum Section.
Thanks,
Jimmy McGee
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As you see, it is not always easy to justify a thread, especially not if you're talking about a forum with the size of XDA Developers. If people think they want a review of the particular ROM, why not asking directly in the THREAD of that ROM?
"If people think they want a review of the particular ROM, why not asking directly in the THREAD of that ROM"
That only works if you want a review from a SINGLE ROM.
If chefs have that fragile of an ego....
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... If chefs have that fragile of an ego....
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As you now can see for yourself, this is where flaming begins - exactly the reason why threads like that are mostly not welcome!
I definitely think there's room for a single, stickied "ROM discussion" thread. People always have opinions, and it'd give people a place to vent them. The reason there's so many clutter-y "WHAT ROM?!" threads is because there's nowhere to ask that question, and new users have no real reason to understand how repetitive that question IS because all the threads get closed and deleted.
Simply telling them "you can't ask that!" makes it awfully tricky for new users, since they often don't even know WHAT they're looking for. By keeping a "ROM discussion" thread around, they might be able to at least get an idea of what people like about different ROMs. Heck, even if the place turns in to a pit of snarky vipers, it'll at least serve as an example of why people don't like ROM comparison threads!
The problems with just directing people to the ROM threads are thus:
1. Most ROM threads consist largely of bug reports or feature requests from long outdated versions of the ROM, so the information isn't really relevant.
2. Some (not all!) chefs are better at creating their ROMs than they are at describing them -- making it awfully hard to get an idea of what the author was "going for."
3. This makes it even LESS likely that some of the small, less popular ROMs will get noticed because the most popular, most updated threads are the ones that get bumped onto the first few pages.
4. ROM threads generally do not (and should not) contain information comparing different ROMs. This is, however, useful information -- if there's two ROMs claiming to be the "fastest and lightest," for example, users should be able to make their observations about those claims.
There's ALWAYS going to be a chance of getting people's hackles up and of some folks getting defensive of upset. At the same time, there's MORE chance for some chefs to get appreciation for what they've done, there will be a better starting point for folks new to this whole ROM business, and I think there's even a chance that the ROMs themselves will be improved because chefs might be able to keep their eyes on the rest of the "scene" better.
My 5 cents as a veteran noob.
First of all: This site is free to use. Lets keep it that way, by accepting the rules.
I think we have to realize, that this is not a service organization. This site is created by developers for developers.
Yes, it would be nice, if we could get answers quickly, but that is not the purpose of this site. Help - About: XDA
If you want to make this site a better place, Go Here!
A review-thread might be a great idea, but nothing is keeping you from creating another site for this!
So, you want a brand new ROM doing this, and this and that!
Well, so did I. And by trying different ROMs, I now realize, there are no shortcuts.
No matter how cool a ROM looks, there is always one thing about it you don't like.
One example: The new Manilla 3D looks incredible cool. Even if it is slow, I might still be using it, if it wasn't for one little thing that I just can't live with; The 3D "People" tab is very cool, but it is a pain to scroll through one contact at a time. I find the 2D version so much better.
You just have to try for yourself, what works for you and what don't.
Bottom line: To get the ROM that makes you most happy, you've got to make flashing your phone a hobby.
Read the stickies. Start flashing. Stay cool.
Happy hunting
I know this thread is closed, But I wanted to add to the statement of mine that was quoted earlier in this thread.
If you are going to get an objective Comparison or "Reviewed ROMs Thread" That would mean the reviewer would need to be unbiased. In order to do so they would have to flash EVERY version of EVERY ROM that was released. A difficult proposition at best.
I, like most people, will try a few and then Stick with one I find I like. There might be a better one that I haven't tried yet. But that's the fun of this Forum.
There was at one point a ROM Reviews thread. That thread was never closed. As it gave unbiased comparisons between ROMs. Something Impossible to get from just creating a thread saying "What's the Best?" Well ultimatly, "BEST" depends on your tastes.
The ROM review thread gave The features and bugs of a ROM and gave you a pretty clear pictures of the difference between the ROMs, All with the same "spin" from the same guy. By having the same "spin" from the same guy, you can grasp better which ROM is right for you. The effect of Me telling you what I like best and Junner Telling you their favorite is it has different "spin." Also, I may not have tried the ROM Junner recommended.
In the END the ROM Reviews thread died, because it was alot of work. And I believe we have even more ROMs available now!
So you can see why Best of ROM threads serve no purpose then to take up space. With the vast size of XDA's membership, you're not going to get a lot of worth out of a few vocal Fans of a certain chef's offerings.
Which is faster, jacs her rom with a partition, or maxismas new 1.8?
oh my god
seriously another one already?
THIS IS HOW MANY "BEST HERO ROM" THREADS HAVE BEEN COMMENTED ON SINCE OCT 1ST
NOTE: THIS IS THE LIST IN Q&A ONLY
DOESN'T INCLUDE OTHER SECTIONS, WHICH I KNOW HAVE MORE
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=570739
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=570209
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=570307
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569933
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568338
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567503
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562567
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566623
if this does not provide you with adequete information on what ROM to flash, then flash them all and see for yourself
Hello im new here but i have to put my two cents in on this one.
If so many people are interested about which roms are best then why not run a "favorite rom thread"
I'll bet it would do really good.I know i would like to hear what other people have to say about their favorite roms.anyway it might keep down to just one thread instead of people starting new ones all the time.
8255daw said:
Hello im new here but i have to put my two cents in on this one.
If so many people are interested about which roms are best then why not run a "favorite rom thread"
I'll bet it would do really good.I know i would like to hear what other people have to say about their favorite roms.anyway it might keep down to just one thread instead of people starting new ones all the time.
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ORRRRRRRRRRRR new people could do their research on a rom, read the threads, and then flash and determine for themselves.
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ORRRRRRRRRRRR new people could do their research on a rom, read the threads, and then flash and determine for themselves.
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well i think reading what people have to say about their favorite roms in a dedicated thread is more interesting and adds more to the board than not doing it at all.
people are gonna have to research and flash in the end no matter what.why not talk about it?
Because every rom will react differently with different phones, which is why people need to find out what works best for them. Devs already have recommended settings on their first post.
I think the whole point of the layout of xda is to not single one dev out as godlike with their own section, no polls for best, and to let the threads live their own life.
even so...there already is a favorite rom poll/thread... search for it. i remember seeing it and no one uses it
Just flash ROMs and see which one you like best. It's what I did.
I've thought about using my blog / site waiting for a purpose to do a series of personal reviews of various ROMs for my G1 but I don't know if it'd be worth it with so many Android sites out there. Seeing questions like this quite a lot makes me want to try but it depends on demand. Time is not an issue as I have a lot of it spare currently.
Thing is, most people only try out one ROM because they get recommendations from someone else. In the end, one ROM gets propagated above all the other cuz no one else has the guts to try out all of them...