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Ladies vs Men

Thought about this and wanted to ask. If folks feel this is not appropriate then feel free to say so in a kindly manner and we can have the thread removed. Please do not respond to just bash or make offensive comments.
I'm in the technical field and there have been more women joining in. Curios as to how many ladies out there that are flashing their phones?
This is not public and shouldnt show anyone who they are. I will only post after 5 days the results.

i believe the majority of members on this board are men... however, alot more women are starting to surface and are eager to flash and help out... maybe the female members can help smack down the god complex some of our male members seem to have

I Am Woman -- Hear Me Roar!!!
LOL!! Yes, I'm a FEMALE geek and proud of it. Some of you already knew that, though (like Shogunmark, meschle, Dr. P. and vijay -- among others)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I've flashed my Wizard with more ROMS than Quaker's got oats. For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
I used to just build desktop systems for myself, my family and friends, but then I got my Wizard and found this forum and I've become an INCURABLE addict. I just HAVE to have the newest ROM that hits the forums.
I don't think you'll find any of my posts asking about how to do something because I don't want to look like a "dumb female". Rather, I spend a LOT of time reading and learning so I know how to fix something ahead of time.
Now, I'm do a lot of reading on programming languages and coding. Sometimes, I think I'm in over my head with it, though. But, the only way to learn is to read and by "hands on" experience. So, I'll wait til the Kaiser comes out to buy it and start applying some of the stuff I'm learning to the Wizard when it won't matter if I muck it up. . .

This is fantastic. Glad you posted Newbie2. Wish other ladies here would follow suit. Like to see the ladies win this cause the men are slacking by just veiwing and not posting.
Thanks for voting Newbie2...

newbie2 said:
LOL!! Yes, I'm a FEMALE geek and proud of it. Some of you already knew that, though (like Shogunmark, meschle, Dr. P. and vijay -- among others)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I've flashed my Wizard with more ROMS than Quaker's got oats. For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
I used to just build desktop systems for myself, my family and friends, but then I got my Wizard and found this forum and I've become an INCURABLE addict. I just HAVE to have the newest ROM that hits the forums.
I don't think you'll find any of my posts asking about how to do something because I don't want to look like a "dumb female". Rather, I spend a LOT of time reading and learning so I know how to fix something ahead of time.
Now, I'm do a lot of reading on programming languages and coding. Sometimes, I think I'm in over my head with it, though. But, the only way to learn is to read and by "hands on" experience. So, I'll wait til the Kaiser comes out to buy it and start applying some of the stuff I'm learning to the Wizard when it won't matter if I muck it up. . .
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Totally agree with you, I am also a female and now reading hard on this forum to make my first cook rom for my lovely hermes

??? 3 female posters. only 2 women in the poll total so far.

bbobeckyj said:
??? 3 female posters. only 2 women in the poll total so far.
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Is it really that surprising? Male geeks seem to be vast majority....

I've never seen a good looking woman that is geak (technique interested)..so...now im wondering..
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Bram87 said:
I've never seen a good looking woman that is geak (technique interested)..so...now im wondering..
ROFL
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. . . probably 'cause we're too busy tweaking our phones (and picking up after the MEN) to care how we look. LMAO!!!

Going have to disagree here. I've been in meetings and worked closely along side with several women that were very attractive. I work at the photonic layer and some of these women are truly geeks. (Never judge a book by its cover)
I forgot to mention the rules, lowest number wins
There have been 438 views on this thread thus far. Tells you who all is just browsing and willing to participate
Bram87 said:
I've never seen a good looking woman that is geak (technique interested)..so...now im wondering..
ROFL
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3 women?? What the hell?? Men rule! We're the elite!! Ha!

newbie2 said:
LOL!! Yes, I'm a FEMALE geek and proud of it. Some of you already knew that, though (like Shogunmark, meschle, Dr. P. and vijay -- among others)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I've flashed my Wizard with more ROMS than Quaker's got oats. For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
I used to just build desktop systems for myself, my family and friends, but then I got my Wizard and found this forum and I've become an INCURABLE addict. I just HAVE to have the newest ROM that hits the forums.
I don't think you'll find any of my posts asking about how to do something because I don't want to look like a "dumb female". Rather, I spend a LOT of time reading and learning so I know how to fix something ahead of time.
Now, I'm do a lot of reading on programming languages and coding. Sometimes, I think I'm in over my head with it, though. But, the only way to learn is to read and by "hands on" experience. So, I'll wait til the Kaiser comes out to buy it and start applying some of the stuff I'm learning to the Wizard when it won't matter if I muck it up. . .
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Fair play!

Girls geeks have their non-physical sexiness. I like girls with BIG phones (e.g. HTC series, SonyE P900 series, etc) makes looks more sophisticated rather than just face and dress. And girls talking Linux and programmings are sexy in a way.. probably it makes them looks smarter I like smart girls.

mikechannon said:
The only thing I wonder about is why some women want things that men have just because men have them. That was the old 60s/70s feminism - we want what men have. Since then the movement grew up and now in the main it is more about women going for the things they want, whether or not these are things men do or want.
So I worry about your statement :
"For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better."
Who gives a sh** about whether a man can do it or not, it's whether you want to do it or not that matters.
As a famous feminist Germain Greer once said "comparing ourselves to men serves only to demean us and make us look weak, as if we looked up to men and strive to be as good as they are. More to the point is whether we can achieve the things we want to achieve without reference to men at all"
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I remember the "power struggle" of the Women's Movement back in the late 60's and early 70's, since I was just graduating High School at that time. So, some of that propaganda has stayed with me over the years. But I'm afraid the old adage of "A woman has to work twice as hard to achieve twice as much to be considered half as good as a man" is still the norm in the business world, unfortunately. And you still hear the assinine gossip about any woman that actually WORKS her way to the top SLEPT her way to the top. While women have made great strides in the business community in the past 30 years, it's still considered a "man's world" out there.
But to put your anxiety about my statement to rest -- I do it to prove to MYSELF that I can do it -- because I WANT to do it. And I actually was echoing the "brand" put on me by some of my co-workers about being a "female geek". A geek is a geek is a geek -- doesn't matter whether they're maile or female. It's like I've contracted some type of communicable disease. But when THEY have problems, guess who they come to?? LOL!!
I'm an independent spirit and actually my worst fear is ever having to depend on ANYONE for anything. So, I've learned to learn to do for myself. And -- at the end of the day -- I can honestly say I've done all I can do and feel good about what I accomplished. . .

newbie2 said:
A geek is a geek is a geek -- doesn't matter whether they're maile or female.
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That is somewhat not true, sex does play a part in certain (not all) things/situations. Take Lara Croft, of Tomb Raider, for example, I don't think the game itself will be a hit if you have a muscle guys doing all those little moves "Action girls" are still currently not a norm yet, and hence made them unique, so does girl-geeks. Guy-geeks are usually marked as 'geek', while girl-geeks may be marked as 'intelligent'. Same goes with a guy on certain subject, girl-cooks are 'nice', while guy-cooks are sexy. Guy-presidents are.. *yawn*.. girl-presidents are WOW.
And I remember this from a movie..
Men with grey hairs are sexy, women with grey hairs are just old.
Women with breasts are sexy, men with breasts are ....
ps: Hanmin's law.. nice Lets tag the geeks

women are the backbone of the world
men have highly easy to mutate y cromosoms
and a stable x cromosom
women have 2 x so if 1 is bad they got the other
evolution is in mutation which is the Y cromosom so this is where we adapt
so
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547675.stm
would be bad for human kind
less small mutation to adapt our spieces
men are in general more extreme then females
their IQ curse is more flat meaning they are more present in the
extreme high iq and also in the extreme low iq
both places extremes where people dont
prosper
being in the middle where most women reside is
the backbone of the world really

Rudegar said:
women are the backbone of the world
men have highly easy to mutate y cromosoms
and a stable x cromosom
women have 2 x so if 1 is bad they got the other
evolution is in mutation which is the Y cromosom so this is where we adapt
so
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547675.stm
would be bad for human kind
less small mutation to adapt our spieces
men are in general more extreme then females
their IQ curse is more flat meaning they are more present in the
extreme high iq and also in the extreme low iq
both places extremes where people dont
prosper
being in the middle where most women reside is
the backbone of the world really
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i bet that makes a great pick up line.. lol

mikechannon said:
@rudegar
Mmm. well since women aren't the backbone here at XDA-Dev, then by your case that must be because XDA-Dev is at one of the male extremes. Either very low or very high IQ. Maybe we should let newbie2 decide the answer!
Mike
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Let's just say I've seen both ends of the spectrum on here and leave it at that.
And -- just so you don't think I spend ALL my time on here and don't do anything else, at the present I'm multi-tasking. . . have a chicken in the smoker for supper, doing laundry, AND setting up my new GPS software.

newbie2 said:
For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
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What about flashing Linux on your phone ? AFAIK no man has done it yet
PS. Hm, wizard may be a tough choice for linux.

cr2 said:
What about flashing Linux on your phone ? AFAIK no man has done it yet
PS. Hm, wizard may be a tough choice for linux.
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Maybe there is a missing (harware) link, like the SonyE P900 phone??

E-mail HTC your decision to boycott them here!

Dear dissatisfied HTC Customer,
Before reading this, remember I am NOT encouraging you to boycott HTC. But I think most of you, who are going to do that, are really knowing what your reasons are.
As For me it really seems that we paid for something that HTC did not provide, I think we all have seen great dissatisfaction and complaints here on the forums, which some of us are unable not to agree with. Some people even culminate the dissatisfaction simply by ending the customer relation with HTC.
I figured it would be nice to see how badly did their Kaiser backfire, and the way they handled their customers with this. So please, if you feel that you have had enough and are going separate ways with HTC, use the below link to inform HTC about your decision. Also remember to tell them why you chose to do so. Remember to add that you are talking about Kaiser. And also remember to tell them that you most likely won’t be recommending HTC devices to anyone, and will probably do your best that no-one gets screwed like you did, if you feel like that. That should teach them a lesson!
Also after doing that report back on this thread! So we get to see how it affected their customer base in this forum and hopefully even more widely, a bigger picture. With some math we can speculate what was the damage for them. Hopefully this will help them also to see what they did, and see it would have been everybodys benefit if they did things right at the first place.
Below are the links to inform HTC about your decision. You probably best to aim the e-mail to their "customer service"!
European ex-customers:
http://www.htc.com/europe/CS_Mail.aspx
North American ex-customers:
http://www.htc.com/us/CS_Mail.aspx
Latin American ex-customers:
http://www.htc.com/la/CS_Mail.aspx
Asian ex-customers:
http://www.htc.com/tw/CS_Mail.aspx
Middle-East and African ex-customers:
http://www.htc.com/mea-en/CS_Mail.aspx
The reason why I find this really important is that, we really need to get the information on their face. That is where petition signing and things like that fail! I bet after receiving few thousand of this kind of e-mails the information will be passed to the persons concerned. That will not probably help us, but prevent them repeating what they did. Link to this thread would also be good on any other HTC/Kaiser related forum, so we get a collection of all dissatisfied ex-customers overall.
Sincerely Yours,
Henry
Ultimately dissatisfied HTC-EX-customer
ps.
you are still "allowed" to use your current HTC devices the best way you can imagine, since most of us paid a good price for it! For me that would be a paperweight or as a "viviparous lizard's tail".

I just informed HTC-europe that I will never be their customer again! I WONT!
Edit.
Actually, what I did say was, I will boycott them until the justice has happened in this case. Too bad it seems that will never happen. But that will give them at least a little reason to do back the bad things they did to us. They would get me back!

Done.
I am in charge of mobile devices and syncing with Exchange for a 2500+ employee company. I had started migrating people to s620's but have since moved them to HP iPAQ Messengers until a non-HTC device comes out that fits our needs.
So, while I'm not buying any more, I'm making sure nobody at the company (even personal purchases) are HTC.
-Mc

sent to http://www.htc.com/sea/CS_Mail.aspx
hope others will follow........

Sent message to the North American link.

Boycott? Wow.. dunno but I'm very happy with my phone, ATT Tilt, it's an upgrade from my last smartphone/ppc (VOQ Professional Phone) which actually I still have and would still be using had the company not gone out of business, and well the phone doesn't have bluetooth, wifi or a camera either... if it did have those three things I've still be using it now really even if the company went under...
I don't get the Boycott though.. are people REALLY that unhappy with their phones? sure I see lots of complaints about things but I see that with EVERY phone on the market today, there IS NO perfect phone out there and never will be because someone will find something wrong no matter what...

dampeal said:
Boycott? Wow.. dunno but I'm very happy with my phone...
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Please do not go offtopic too much! I understand that there are A LOT of arguments why the Kaiser could be alright as a mobile device, but that is not the point here. The point is that any person has the right to boycott what ever company for any reason he/she finds worth it. I'm collecting that info here NOT DISCUSSING whether the device is worthy or not. Made up my mind already.

I admire the resolve of all that are willing to stand by thier principles. Personnaly, the choice of my next phone is limited to what my carrier has to offer as by buying from them, I get a large discount.
As my carrier is T-Mobile UK, that means my next upgrade will probably be a HTC device (maybe vario 4) for around 100gbp as opposed to a none HTC device from a store for around 400gbp.

When I first signed up for this forum I thought it was for developers and people who knew a lot about ppc's. I soon learned that this forum contains more friggin whiners than a daycare. Everyday someone posts something regarding video drivers, hating htc, or just writing stupid ****. To the OP, I am not directing this towards you, but I don't think developers or people who joined this forum for learning purposes want to hear about emailing HTC with others decision to boycott.
Hmmm, maybe I should start a thread "Email HTC your reasons why you love their devices here!"
Get a clue and understand these threads are not needed but we appreciate your participation and do not take anything personal because its directed at many people.

redbandana said:
When I first signed up for this forum I thought it was for developers and people who knew a lot about ppc's. I soon learned that this forum contains more friggin whiners than a daycare. Everyday someone posts something regarding video drivers, hating htc, or just writing stupid ****. To the OP, I am not directing this towards you, but I don't think developers or people who joined this forum for learning purposes want to hear about emailing HTC with others decision to boycott.
Hmmm, maybe I should start a thread "Email HTC your reasons why you love their devices here!"
Get a clue and understand these threads are not needed but we appreciate your participation and do not take anything personal because its directed at many people.
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Lol... I agree...I will never say never... If HTC launched a TyTN II killer I'd probably get it..If will never buy a Kaiser again though if it helps

redbandana said:
When I first signed up for this forum I thought it was for developers and people who knew a lot about ppc's. I soon learned that this forum contains more friggin whiners than a daycare. Everyday someone posts something regarding video drivers, hating htc, or just writing stupid ****.
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That's strange. Because when I visit http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=376, I see that there are four sections: one for discussion about accessories, one for discussion about software, one for discussion about ROMs, and this one for general discussion.
I notice that the developers tend to hang out in the software and ROMs sections, and that this general discussion forum is for general discussion.
Do you not have access to all four sections?

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When I first signed up for this forum I thought it was for developers and people who knew a lot about ppc's. I soon learned that this forum contains more friggin whiners than a daycare. ..
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Damn, don't know how to say this, remaining my relaxed tone.. but..
Don't you honestly think that this is the single BIGGEST community online using our beloved kaiser devices. Hopefully this does not come out of the blue for you, but there is something frikkin' wrong with the device we have bought.
There was 2 reasons for you why this kind of a threads easily pop out in GENERAL forums like this. Some people still want to get something in exchange for their money, not just crap.
Boycotting is useful, and it's the most powerful tool that single user can do against a company, which screwed him up without doing anything illeagal. This is where this forum could be helpful, here we have the people together. And if we complain together, maybe one day something gets done. Compare this to the situation between damn yankies and north korea for example. "Let's not give them what they want until they do what we want." Expect no nukes for the korea. You get it?
I feel sad that most of the people just accept the **** that big companies throw at you. I don't, A LOT of people won't accept that. Also, I'm completely sorry that I distracted you from your development work. Made you open this thread and whine about me whining.
And remember, this is nothing personal, there are a lot of you wankers out there whose fav hobby is to complain to n000bs and anything that.. that happens to annoy them at the time being. Then comes the bigger whiner, who whines about the whiner who whines about the whiner and that one is whining to whiner by the way.
You get the point? That there is a difference whining to other users and whining to wrong doers, who steal you money and feed you mouthful of poopi.

My message ... Europe Customer.
Drivers for Kaiser? No?
Then thank You, I will find my next device somewhere else, where I will really get what I paid for.

rakdoll said:
Damn, don't know how to say this, remaining my relaxed tone.. but..
Don't you honestly think that this is the single BIGGEST community online using our beloved kaiser devices. Hopefully this does not come out of the blue for you, but there is something frikkin' wrong with the device we have bought.
There was 2 reasons for you why this kind of a threads easily pop out in GENERAL forums like this. Some people still want to get something in exchange for their money, not just crap.
Boycotting is useful, and it's the most powerful tool that single user can do against a company, which screwed him up without doing anything illeagal. This is where this forum could be helpful, here we have the people together. And if we complain together, maybe one day something gets done. Compare this to the situation between damn yankies and north korea for example. "Let's not give them what they want until they do what we want." Expect no nukes for the korea. You get it?
I feel sad that most of the people just accept the **** that big companies throw at you. I don't, A LOT of people won't accept that. Also, I'm completely sorry that I distracted you from your development work. Made you open this thread and whine about me whining.
And remember, this is nothing personal, there are a lot of you wankers out there whose fav hobby is to complain to n000bs and anything that.. that happens to annoy them at the time being. Then comes the bigger whiner, who whines about the whiner who whines about the whiner and that one is whining to whiner by the way.
You get the point? That there is a difference whining to other users and whining to wrong doers, who steal you money and feed you mouthful of poopi.
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Well i certainly dont complain to n00bs unless there are threads similar to this. I should just ignore it for this point forward because we both have our opinions and neither is right nor wrong. Here is just a sample of what I do for n00bs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394543&highlight=stuck+bootloader
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2228402&highlight=redbandana#post2228402
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2228280&highlight=redbandana#post2228280
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394657&page=2
and then some.
However, I do bash n00bs when there are posts bashing HTC. Sorry to offend you in anyway.

^^ I understand your frustration and i share similar sentiments with you. A similar thread was posted yesterday(you can find it on page 2) and the day before yesterday on the ROM dev. forum. It gets annoying after a while, thats all.

redbandana said:
Well i certainly dont complain to n00bs unless there are threads similar to this. I should just ignore it for this point forward because we both have our opinions and neither is right nor wrong. Here is just a sample of what I do for n00bs. ... . .
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Alright, It seems really we just happen to have our personal opinions, which we are completely righteous. I must admit I totally see your initial point, how this forum is built over the dedication of people who simply love to learn new things. It is totally frustrating nowadays to see people just complaining, without doing a **** about the real issues. I hope I didn't do exactly that, by starting this thread. The real reason to that is just, I would love to scare the **** out of HTC, make them see that they will go down if they don't respect us the way they should.
I do recognize what you stand for, and I must say there must not be anything that I wouldn't share with you. The thing that started this, must be that I have always been a man who stands behind his words, at least most of the time, and I assume the same from others. That includes all the big companies, groups and individuals. It really makes me sad to see where this world is going just because the only thing that matters to people is money. Huge corporations, sucking all the money they can, that's the end of people trying to provide just themselves.. no.. they want all that they can get. In the end, the one who pays the costs is dudes like us.
I honestly also didn't mean to offend anyone, and if it seemed so, I truly apologize. So in the end of the day, it seems like we are alone, with our Kaisers, trying to get the best out of it. So let's just keep on tuning it, until we are happy. That seems to be the initial purpose of this whole place's existence.
really sorry for my funny use of english, you native speakers must be laughing your asses off. But me not native, me from land of the barb-backed fishes. :|

I'm sure this awesome online community only makes up about less then half (if even) of tilt/kaiser/etc owners. There are many people that own this phone because they need it and never go online to mod it. Out of that assumed half I would say a 10th read what is posted or understand a single thing about this phone. That leaves a large number of people who think their phone is "crap" because you tell them it is. Yes I would like to see the phone be faster but I don't think it's crap nor do I think HTC has screwed me over. I don't seem to remember any stats that they released in regards to video or any other performance. Do you? Where are their benchmarks they advertised that weren't acheived by our lovely devices? If you can show them to me then I, and all of my friends will sign your wish list, but until I see them I will just think that everyone is butt hurt over an assumed performance loss.
HTC in my opinion has done something about this. Is it good enough to truely unlock the power of the Kaiser? No, but was it something rather then nothing? Do any of you know the cost of the video driver per unit? No, then how can people claim they paid for something they didn't get. How do you know it wouldn't have been another $50 that would have been tagged on. From what was advertised I will say I got 100% of what this phone was supposed to do.

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From what was advertised I will say I got 100% of what this phone was supposed to do.
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This is strange opinion ..
because: when I bought the phone, I was thinkin buying the BEST phone in the market. Multimedia experience with keyboard.... Check the price and compare it to other older models if you know what I mean!
If I know it sooner I'd rather choose MWG, or iULTIMATE.. FOR SURE
I don't really care about support after market
But this laggy thing gives me s*it..... the fact that THIS THING DOESN'T have this BEFORE MARKET and they are HIDING THIS FACT!!!!
No multimedia experience only headache if you used it almost every time WITH touch screen... if... u know what I mean... do you??? or u just using it for modem only????
...bump

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This is strange opinion ..
because: when I bought the phone, I was thinkin buying the BEST phone in the market. Multimedia experience with keyboard.... Check the price and compare it to other older models if you know what I mean!
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+1 Chumley I also go alot on the support forums for the iPhone, because my wife has an iPhone. If you were new to the iPhone you would think that it was the biggest piece of crap around. Thats all that is there is whining and complaining about how it doesn't work, Apple sold us a piece of crap . Here is a petition, let's put Apple out of business. As with all other forums a very vocal MINORITY of people who for whatever reason are having trouble with there phones.
Don't even get me started with the " Check the price, I thought I was getting the best " consumer strategy. I am just glad you don't buy my groceries.
I love my phone ,it does everything they told me it would do.It makes phone
calls, it schedules, MS Office is great, web access is great, I have push email, My gps works great etc... etc.....etc. Do I care that it doesn't have a Nikon D40 inside, do I care that I can't play WoW on it , do I care that I can't watch you tube all day at 3G on a battery charge? No ! This isn't what they promised me and this isn't what I bought my phone for.
Bottom line is, there are a million people out there that are perfectly satisfied with their HTC product. But we never hear from them. They are the silent majority. We here have to put up with thread after thread after thread because the vocal minority thinks we care that they bought a phone they don't like

STOP *****ing about Video Drivers. Who care. The phone is fine. You are forgetting that it's a PHONE! Be glad they added alot of extra stuff you can't find in a majority of phones. I have never had a problem watching videos and movies on my phone. Seriously.. geez

Rant about stupid people

WDF is up with retarded people moving on from small nokia's to the fuze and other ppc phones? They have no idea what they're doing! I mean come the fk on! One guy doesn't know how to transfer ringtones from his storage card to his /windows folder! I was just on the aee tee n tee forums. I mean FFS! Don't buy something you are not capable of handing! Is the world full of that many retarded/stupid people? They buy something that they are not fully capable of understand/using and then they complain about how bad it is. People are such idiots..

LOL! I've been thinking the same thing. I always thought I had the best of the best, which included all the extras I've got on it. But, when I see a f'n 12 year old girl T-X-T'n her mutha f***'n BFF on her brand new Touch Pro, I say WTF!!!!

I will make a general statement here....
People should be tested and then licensed before they are allowed to breed.

I HATE seeing people with expensive electronics... THAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE!
Whether it be a Diamond, or even a Touch, it just isn't right. Especially like MacBooks, MacBook Pros, Vaios... ugh. "How do I install an app???" GAH!

an old wize man once said, "Never Believe a noob when he says "it didnt work !" "

derekwilkinson said:
I HATE seeing people with expensive electronics... THAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE!
Whether it be a Diamond, or even a Touch, it just isn't right. Especially like MacBooks, MacBook Pros, Vaios... ugh. "How do I install an app???" GAH!
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Completly agree mate!!

Kraize said:
WDF is up with retarded people moving on from small nokia's to the fuze and other ppc phones? They have no idea what they're doing! I mean come the fk on! One guy doesn't know how to transfer ringtones from his storage card to his /windows folder! I was just on the aee tee n tee forums. I mean FFS! Don't buy something you are not capable of handing! Is the world full of that many retarded/stupid people? They buy something that they are not fully capable of understand/using and then they complain about how bad it is. People are such idiots..
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I don't agree with you and think that really you are just fed up with the noobs asking (in our opinion) questions that have rather simple answers just because they didn't take the time to search for the answer themselves. We have all been NOOBS at one time and had to figure out how to use our devices ourselves one way or the other. I myself only moved to a WM device a year ago (Previously had a Nokia 6620). The biggest difference was that I did tons of reading, research and soon discovered that there was so much more my device could do and learned how to customize by device. The point is, Everyone who gets a new device has to learn how to use it somehow. We just have to have some patience and try to help them learn how to use these forums so that they can teach themselves. It doesn't serve any purpose to be rude and call all these new WM device owners "retards" "Stupid" "Idiots", or to assume that they don't know how to handle these devices. They are still learning as we all did at one point.
Really if you are that annoyed with them then don't help them out. Just ignore the posts. Starting a thread like this doesn't serve to help this community. Isn't the purpose of this community suppose to be to help each other out though cooperation, sharing what we know about out devices with others, so that they can later help out other noobs themselves. It kind of defeats the purpose of this forum to constantly flame the noobs whenever they have a question and really if we don't try to help them by pointing them in the right direction, we are not being productive members of this community ourselves.
I'm not a programmer and will never pretend to be one or even understand anything about programming, so I can't contribute to this community that way; however, I can still contribute by helping other people understand the basics of their devices, solve / work around some of the quirks of their devices. You never know who you might be helping - one of these noobs my be a great programmer who after learning how to use their device and work around the devices short-commings, figure out how to improve on things themselves and share with the rest of us or write a really cool new app to share with the rest of us.
if you check out point # 8 and #9 by Administrator Peter Poelman here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=221545
this basically says it all.
8. Stay cool
Think of this as a on-line temple. A sacred place, dedicated to collaboration, learning and collective wisdom. Don't shout and try not to get angry. Maybe the world should adhere more to the basic filosofy of Internet protocol design: "Be strict about what you send, and liberal about what you receive". This forum has people from all countries, cultures and levels of mental maturity. This means that no matter what you're like, you'll have to adjust to people that are most definitely not like you. But on the other hand, try to be gentle with people, even in the event they're not gentle with you. It will gain you many reputation points if you help to keep the peace.
9. Help others if you can
OK, you can post that message now. If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping eachother, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
Take Care
Rod

@Rod.
No. Not really. I'm cool. I know we were all noobs at one time or the other, but I myself do not remember asking questions such as those. It could be some are naturally talented in technology. But I'm just saying, don't buy things that you don't know about. I tend to know things inside out before I even buy it.

i think what kraize is saying is bull at the end of the day we slag off noobs because they dont kno how to use the devices and wish they knew how to but because no one will tell them how theyll never become wiser if this goes on then the next generation of ppc user will be screwed because they been treat with contempt and told they shouldnt use these devices these people could be the next rom and software developers if they have the passion and apply them selves
so really they are not idiots theyve just been let down by a bunch of eletists who used to love teaching new things, but have lost the passion due to snootines or whatever

Kraize said:
@Rod.
No. Not really. I'm cool. I know we were all noobs at one time or the other, but I myself do not remember asking questions such as those. It could be some are naturally talented in technology. But I'm just saying, don't buy things that you don't know about. I tend to know things inside out before I even buy it.
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Hi Kraize. I fully agree with you that it is best to learn as much about a device before you buy it. Everyone should do this for anything they buy - Car, TV, Stereo, Computer, etc... I don't buy anyting until I have done some thorough research on the item - read reviews etc... to make sure it is a good device. I admit that I still didn't know much about WM devices when I purchased mine, only read reviews and certain web sites and asked lots of questions at the store where I purchased it. (but even the Rogers store clerks can't tell you about the full potential of these devices**They just don't know the devices they sell that well). I have to say though that if it wasn't for this forum, I wouldn't have learned as much about my device as I had. Keep in mind, I didn't start any NOOB threads asking silly questions. I joined in March 2008, but had been visiting this site since December 2007 after I purchased my device and learned as much as I could just searching, reading, searching more, reading and reading and reading and experimenting. I origianally only joined this community so that I could download some of the cool apps that have been developped by the other members here, but then found out that I can actually help others with what I had learned. To this date, I still have not started a single thread asking a question. I only PM'd one individual with one NOOB type question (asking about the difference between the touch Elf and touch Vogue ROM's ) as I could not find this information in my searches. (thanks to TheChampJT for answering this for me).
With this said - I won't say for sure that I won't ever feel the need to start a new thread asking a question, and I hope that if the time comes, people are understanding and either offer constructive answers or point me in the right direction.
What I would undertand ranting about, would be ranting about the ones who join this community and don't even try to find the answers for themselves or they do one search and don't dig deep enough to find their answers. Most answers are already out there but they just don't want to bother. I have spent many hours searching and finding my own answers, so I know it is possible and to see others not even try really burns me. I understand why they have questions, I had them myself, but for goodness sakes, if you have a new device and don't understand how to use it to it's full potential, then you have to do some reading and learn how to use it. Don't just immediately expect others to give you step by step instructions on what to do. Even if someone did do this, you wouldn't even understand how to use the device still since you didn't do it yourself.
It's all part of the adventure - learning how to maximize your device and understanding it and everyone deserves a chance to have this. Those who want an immediatlely easy to use and set up device - should get an IPhone

@ Everyone.
I'm trying to say here that I'm not dissing those who want to learn about the devices. I'm dissing those who are lazy and non-appreciative about it. Like a lot of other people, I've been a lurker for this site for a very long time. A couple years in fact. But those people that just ask things and wonder things without even reading the manual or typing it up on google dissappoint me. Btw. I've never really said anything about this site. I meant like on the AT&T forums. Too many people don't know a thing. I feel that CS and reps in stores feel the same way when retards come in asking how to turn on the phone (Beleive me, it has happened. In front me my eyes when I was buying the fuze).

hotrod pming is fine i have asked question by opening thread got flamed and understood but at the same time i was overjoyed with the few users who helped these peole dont need flaming they need teaching and its our right as winmo users to help them
I have a dream that one day this communtiy will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all mobiles are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former mokia owners and the sons of former motorola owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that my three little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the OS on there mobiles or there ability to flash a rom but by being able to ask a question this wonderful of all sites and not get flames
I have a dream that one day, down in XDA, with its vicious Senior members, with its policy having its lips dripping with the words of "NOOB" and "READ THE WIKI" in such a nasty way. that this will all end and we can teach so they to can teach the ways on winmo

Or when you check the comments on freewarepocketpc before downloading and see tons of idiots asking for installation instructions. On the other hand WM phones are being marketed more and more as entertainment devices. It's not a f'n iPhone!
But a cab file? Google dammit! It's so damn simple!
Here's my rant (not quite sure if it's off topic, but it's ranting about stupid people):
Context: Our router failed. After a week of saying I was wrong and trying every random solution from the internet, my father finally admitted (claimed he knew it all along) that the router was broken and got us a new 110$ b/g/n router. We are 3 in the house and we only surf the web, no BitTorrent or anything fancy.
-Your father got a new router and it's working perfectly
-Nice!
-It's an N router
-But our computers don't support n, what's the point? There are 40$ routers that do the job
-Ours do, it's going to be way faster.
-Actually, I doubt so. Our router is already faster than the internet connection itself, there's a bottleneck.
-Yes but it's an n router, it's faster
-No, it can't be faster, we already topped the possible speed with our previous router. It's not like we were a dozen using the same connection to share file accross a football field. Another D-Link 524 would have done the job.
-You don't understand, it's faster, it's the new technology.
*goes back to work*

This thread is not going any where.. It's going to cause some flaming and such

ather90 said:
an old wize man once said, "Never Believe a noob when he says "it didnt work !" "
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this is probably one of my favorite quotes if ever read

you just have to look at the diamond threads
how many " phone bricked" threads are started
i will always try to help
but its suprised me how many are try to do thing that they haven't a clue about what they are "trying" to do
....or won't even take 5 mins to read a 1st post on a tread telling them what to do.

Mmmmm Its a shame, maybe a MOD wanna be here
I think that here are many **** people that dont read his own post... this Thread is embarrasing and ****s up all the forum... SENIORS and... saying this kind of things... its a real shame fellows, that needs to read again the threads many people pm me by msn real lost mens telling me men! I brick my phone... and i just help them... thats all!
Expensive, cheaps, guys, old men, are the same just need to have experience but y'all screw up that hope.
GOD you are so Tough and I think the champ must be some more quite.

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I think that here are many **** people that dont read his own post... this Thread is embarrasing and ****s up all the forum... SENIORS and... saying this kind of things... its a real shame fellows, that needs to read again the threads many people pm me by msn real lost mens telling me men! I brick my phone... and i just help them... thats all!
Expensive, cheaps, guys, old men, are the same just need to have experience but y'all screw up that hope.
GOD you are so Tough and I think the champ must be some more quite.
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Hmmmmmm........
I keep reading this line over,
+ Que PPC said:
I think the champ must be some more quite.
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and over,
+ Que PPC said:
I think the champ must be some more quite.
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and over again!
Maybe I'm the only lost one, but WTF are you saying, and further more, about me?

Easy men easy...
WTF what? I saw your post numbers... your star (ten EUR donate) your Avatar and I saw a Guy that likes to help people... but nop he is tire about helping idiots.... but.... Does it makes any sense? is not my problem man!... just be a little more relax... with that tongue men! be cool... flamming threads arent welcome anywhere, well in www.apestan.com you can post your fury about XDA n00bs.
Thats all.

+ Que PPC said:
WTF what? I saw your post numbers... your star (ten EUR donate) your Avatar and I saw a Guy that likes to help people... but nop he is tire about helping idiots.... but.... Does it makes any sense? is not my problem man!... just be a little more relax... with that tongue men! be cool... flamming threads arent welcome anywhere, well in www.apestan.com you can post your fury about XDA n00bs.
Thats all.
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I understood your post, but am confused at the take on me referring to a REAL LIFE person. I think you should read my post again. No mention of xda users in it, in fact I've found myself to be helpful here, and hope there are some that would say the same.

XDA sociolgy report

Hey all, this probably will sound weird but I have to do a sociology report on a community of individuals and I chose the XDA forum. I choose this community because of how the majority of us have probably never have and never will see one another, yet we interact as if we’ve known individuals personally. At least that’s my observation lol. So any information, comments and help is greatly appreciated.
So here are a couple of questions I’m looking to answer.
1. Why and when was the site started?
2. Who started the site?
3. How are admins and mods chosen?
4. (For anyone who chooses to answer) why do you frequent this site instead of others?
Thank you Wroigo

wroigo said:
4. (For anyone who chooses to answer) why do you frequent this site instead of others?
Thank you Wroigo
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Because this is the best site in the hole WWW dedicated to HTC devices!!
Much more better ROM´s have born here than in MS

wroigo said:
1. Why and when was the site started?
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The answer is in the Forum and in the Intro. Some aspects of the devices were not clear and there were no answers from the manufacturers or the carrier brands that put other names on the devices.
2. Who started the site?
3. How are admins and mods chosen?
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I think you better ask this to the Moderators. As some of the questions seem to be private, you better should ask them via PM or interviewing them personally. Remember some of the things here posted lay over the thin line between legal and alegal (I would not say illegal), so some people won't answer to you if they don't know you.
4. (For anyone who chooses to answer) why do you frequent this site instead of others?
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First, I found the best solutions. Now, I began to cook and to share my small experience, so that I think it's my way to give back to the Universe everything I could "obtain" coming to this site.
Thank you Wroigo[/QUOTE]

mikechannon said:
Some clues:
The Creator, sometimes known as The Big P and boy do we need one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4241019&postcount=1
The Wonder Years - See, that's Kevin right there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4636060&postcount=2
As for the sociology of Fora, sometimes I think a forum or the Net in general is like a kind of shell, a cocoon if you prefer in which people behave differently than they would if they met face to face. Some will behave in an extremely polite way, constantly apologising fror their lack of knowledge. Others do the opposite, flame , criticise, use rude language and seemingly look for arguments. In other words behaviour shows a wide an often more extreme range of behaviour than in direct contact relationships.
It's very like the difference between how pedestrians behave compared to the way folk behave when driving.. If someone walks past you in the street it does not matter - but if a car speeds past you on the motorway, well that testosterone kicks in and you speed up and try to overtake the son of a gun. And as you re-overtake you may deliver some rude hand signal and the battle is on. (If you and that guy had met as pedestrians you might be all sweetness and light, but in your car, well, your remote, protected and show more violent behaviour. So it is with internet fora, they give anonymous people a shell, a hidden identity from which they can be more rude and agressive than normal or on the contrary more meek and pathetic than normal. Sociologically speaking the internet forum is a safety valve that allows extreme behaviour to go relatively un-punished. What's a ban, well nothing really, there are hundreds of fora, but if I should swear and flame with real people face to face, well, I would be sacked from my job and possibly locked in jail. It is freedom of expression without the normal constraints of societies norms and values. Having said that, a complete free-for-all would be anarchy (look at the Dev and Hacking Section) and this is why at least a little Moderation is needed.
..... and that's what good old XDA-Devs does for you ....
Mike
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Sorry about my lack of knowledge but why do you sound like a dim-witted rake?

4. (For anyone who chooses to answer) why do you frequent this site instead of others?
Because I like to compare my life to losers and people with IQ's below 125

I've Pm'ed a couple of the mods and admins but haven't recieved any response. and thanks for replying guys a little info beats no info

can we stop these whatsapp threads/spams plzz!

every time I login theres a new whatsapp for this and that. Put it under one thread or something. itd getting pretty annoying!
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I feel ya. There are a lot of threads that need to be either linked or deleted. But XDA has turned into a thanks troll.
Can't even get relative information without scrolling through pages of trolls.

+1

That's why am using xda only in emergencies or when bored...
It used to be good ages ago, but nowerdays it for the masses and they are stupid.
Don't know the search function, post bull****, make it hard to get usefull information.
Stupid is spreading like Islam...
Maybe a bad comparison but that's how it is.
Even sammobile stopped leaking because of stupid people
Google made SD cards useless officially because of stupid people causing too many problems
Good series got cancelled because of being intellectually too demanding for the masses
...
I would pay 100 bucks for a forum with minimum IQ entry
Maybe it's far fetched and idiotic but it's getting worse and worse faster than ever before
Mods don't care... their job is to keep all happy... masses of idiots make tons of clicks -> better 4anking -> more money

Just remember this is a place where the uneducated can get helpful information. We all used to be uneducated at one point. We are here to help each other. If there was a group with only Albert Einstein's, what good would it be if you didnt share with the rest. Granted people do ask the same questions over and over but come on does it really piss you off that bad. I still think it's a dumb idea to give out your phone number to complete strangers so they can intant message you in the wee hours of the night. That sound like a group for geniuses.

Flyer.michael said:
That's why am using xda only in emergencies or when bored...
It used to be good ages ago, but nowerdays it for the masses and they are stupid.
Don't know the search function, post bull****, make it hard to get usefull information.
Stupid is spreading like Islam...
Maybe a bad comparison but that's how it is.
Even sammobile stopped leaking because of stupid people
Google made SD cards useless officially because of stupid people causing too many problems
Good series got cancelled because of being intellectually too demanding for the masses
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I would pay 100 bucks for a forum with minimum IQ entry
Maybe it's far fetched and idiotic but it's getting worse and worse faster than ever before
Mods don't care... their job is to keep all happy... masses of idiots make tons of clicks -> better 4anking -> more money
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I understand your frustration. Also, using Islam as an example is definitely a bad one. Please try to be be careful as to not cause offence.

jonahtriangle said:
Just remember this is a place where the uneducated can get helpful information. We all used to be uneducated at one point. We are here to help each other. If there was a group with only Albert Einstein's, what good would it be if you didnt share with the rest. Granted people do ask the same questions over and over but come on does it really piss you off that bad. I still think it's a dumb idea to give out your phone number to complete strangers so they can intant message you in the wee hours of the night. That sound like a group for geniuses.
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Asking the same questions over and over isn't the only problem. There's also more people complaining about very small things, or trolling if you will. "Why doesn't it have x, or y, or z?" Even if it's not really a problem at all. Of course people come here uneducated, and they want to learn. That's great. If everyone could just be more polite, or modest, the community would be so much better. Some people on here are acting like they're twelve years old.

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Asking the same questions over and over isn't the only problem. There's also more people complaining about very small things, or trolling if you will. "Why doesn't it have x, or y, or z?" Even if it's not really a problem at all. Of course people come here uneducated, and they want to learn. That's great. If everyone could just be more polite, or modest, the community would be so much better. Some people on here are acting like they're twelve years old.
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This is true I would have to agree. I'm not sure it warrants doing a whats app thread that possibly the same kids are joining and will later ask stupid questions in that group.

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