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Leaving TyTN II & leaving HTC FOREVER

Hi Guys,
This is probably the best PDA forum. HTC should pay all you guys for creating this great forum for its overrated mobile.
TyTN II was the most $ I have ever spent on a mobile. With the price I pay, I could get a decent dual core laptop. But I wanted all things in one gadget and the news on TyTN II prior to its launch have made this mobile my dream mobile.
I was weary of the slow CPU speed. But after reading Qualcomm's specification of its CPU, that it is a dual core chip, I forced myself to believe that it will be faster than my old PDA that runs on Intel PXA270, 416MHZ. Unfortunately, I was mislead.
Sure, the TyTN II is stable, but I need to wait for 1-2 secs for it to register my command and than to react is totally not acceptable, especially I paid so much $ for it.
As for the Video, the first time I experienced, at best, the still moving pictures from an avi file had caused me great concern that my TyTn II is faulty. But now we all know that that phone is working under perfectly fine condition. Seriously, who has time to encode avi file down so that it can be viewed on TyTn II. I brought this phone to assist me and make my life more convenient, not the opposite.
So finally, I am trading in this phone at 64% of its original price (I have only used this phone for 5 months) for either Asus P750 or Gsmart MS800. I have ordered both of these new phones with the store for inspection and to make my final decision.
I am also frustrated with its inability to record telephone calls, which is one of necessary function for my job. I have spoken to a HTC sales and he told me that it is for privacy reason that they have make such a restriction. This is a load of BS. All large phone companies such as Nokia, SE, LG, and Moto have such a function.
Hope that I will also be able to find a native forum as good as this for Asus P750 or Gsmart MS800.
AND, I will never (during my time on earth) buy another HTC phone again... and I will certainly spread the word to all my friends not to buy any HTC phone either. HTC is good at make its first time customer its last time customer.
Guys, seriously, do you still believe that there is hope for the video driver or video improvement for HTC???

Get a life. Good luck with your new phone. Maybe they will have the video drivers you are looking for. We need to make a Sub Forum called "People Who ***** About HTC Products and Video Drivers"

goodbye, enjoy your new phone
honestly if anyone is tired of their kaiser, pls just sell it and leave, no need to whine about it or say goodbye. we really wont miss you at all.
all of us still holding on to our kaisers may be stupid from ur point of view, but we are all trying to make it work, hence the name xda-developers, not xda-whiners. if you dont like ur kaiser, sure you are entitled to your opinion, but ppl who choose to stay, dont really care, so just sell of your phone, piss off, and dont bother anyone. we dont really care to know what you feel about your device

well thx for telling us how u feel but we dont really care...its not like we're gonna follow suit cuz of u...research or try it out before u spend "so much $" on it...and whether new drivers are coming...who knows maybe or maybe not...this phone being not suitable to u doesnt mean it sucks or its bad in any way...just go get ur phone which suits u best...and live on

well... what more can I say..?
bye bye...

FYI, it's 'wary', not 'weary'. Good luck.

Seems like you want someone to sympathize. Pick one of the following responses:
1. Awww poor baby. There there.
2. I'll join you in abandoning HTC products.
(disclaimer: meh)

Good luck. and hope you can find the right PDA.

Tell it Wayne...
One whiner less....
This is nothing personal, but people are tired of new whining threads... plz just go and leave us alone with the whining.
If your friends belive the $ you talk it's their problem. Noone here cares if your friends like HTC or not. It doesn't matter for most if HTC sales some phones less or not. I still dont geht the point of such threads...
U think HTC will read this? U think it gets better if you buy a new one? Sry but every phones has it's issues... everything... here it is a video driver, other phones als cheaply manufactured, some have other bugs. There is nothing perfect. So wake up! The world is unfair.

Guys I am sorry but there is someone who tells us what he is doing now.
I believe HTC will never release the new drivers and at least they should see that people are selling the device now and will buy other brand in the future.
HP h4150 (best device I ever had)
Magican (it was fantastic but not that fast as the h4150)
TyTn1 (was ****)
Trinity (same **** like TyTn1, color pealing blahh blahh. but at least smaller)
now this stupid Kaiser (good device but not ready for the market)
I have bought 4 devices from HTC and only one was that what I am expecting to get.
And now you Guys are blaming him because he tells in a open letter what he will do?
Nice one!

HTC cheaters
I agree with the first post of this thread.
lot of people are addicted to flashing roms (me too), the fact that Kaiser is a disaster will never be acknowledged bec we have paid good amount for this and we refuse to give up or accept the facts. Till how long, will this go on. when will HTC be made to change their attitude, an attitude of taking consumers for granted, show me any hardware of their's which is perfect, either the speaker or camera will let u down. people who have criticized the first post should realise that people didnt go out to buy a phone with bad camera, speaker and display issues. Fact is we all have been duped by HTC. and if people here think things can be solved by xda everytime so lets buy htc, then its not right. I hope someday XDA dev manufacture a great phone , probably it will be the perfect phone.

gqstatus0685 said:
Get a life. Good luck with your new phone. Maybe they will have the video drivers you are looking for. We need to make a Sub Forum called "People Who ***** About HTC Products and Video Drivers"
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Unnecessary! It's a forum for people to voice their opinions and thats all he was doing. Fine, if you don't agree with his post, thats up to you but it's like my parents used to tell me "If you don't have anything nice to say.... don't say anything at all"
This is kind of one of the reasons why I try not to post here too much. Too many people all wanting to jump down someones throat when they disagree with a post, r the reason for posting. It's not just here, it's the same with any forum you go to. It's sad really.

Even though you think he's whining, it doesn't get better with the negative answers you give him. He just tells us he's made a choice.
The rudeness to him in the following posts is not worthy of an xda-developer.
Stay friendly.

viewedit said:
I agree with the first post of this thread.
lot of people are addicted to flashing roms (me too), the fact that Kaiser is a disaster will never be acknowledged bec we have paid good amount for this and we refuse to give up or accept the facts. Till how long, will this go on. when will HTC be made to change their attitude, an attitude of taking consumers for granted, show me any hardware of their's which is perfect, either the speaker or camera will let u down. people who have criticized the first post should realise that people didnt go out to buy a phone with bad camera, speaker and display issues. Fact is we all have been duped by HTC. and if people here think things can be solved by xda everytime so lets buy htc, then its not right. I hope someday XDA dev manufacture a great phone , probably it will be the perfect phone.
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Ag, shamepies,
Maybe HTC will provide live feeds from Mars too.
Or maybe better yet, a device that will record your blood pressure and hot & cold running water at the same time!
Oh, maybe even better, a device that will also double as a BMI scale and also have a built-in HIV monitor and blood-group detector!!!
Grow up!!
This has truly become the Cheese & WHINE forum!!!

MACkjam said:
Ag, shamepies,
Maybe HTC will provide live feeds from Mars too.
Or maybe better yet, a device that will record your blood pressure and hot & cold running water at the same time!
Oh, maybe even better, a device that will also double as a BMI scale and also have a built-in HIV monitor and blood-group detector!!!
Grow up!!
This has truly become the Cheese & WHINE forum!!!
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What is YOUR contribution to xda-developers exactly?

even if i dont't mind if anybody has a kaiser, sells a kaiser, buys a kaiser or sleeps with his kaiser, i think such threads might not be useless.
if many people make it clear that they leave HTC and why they sell their phones maybe HTC realizes that their way to treat customers was wrong.

rhov23 said:
What is YOUR contribution to xda-developers exactly?
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Firstly, I've helped a few people here and there. Secondly I've been here a little longer than you even if I haven't posted much.
And yours???

MACkjam said:
Firstly, I've helped a few people here and there. Secondly I've been here a little longer than you even if I haven't posted much.
And yours???
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Well length of membership really isn't anything to go by, I could have signed up to be a member yesterday and could be a total guru (im not though )
Look, lets just play nice ok? Its a public forum for people to publish their opinions. Lets not turn this into yet another bashing thread.

foobar1977 said:
Well length of membership really isn't anything to go by, I could have signed up to be a member yesterday and could be a total guru (im not though )
Look, lets just play nice ok? Its a public forum for people to publish their opinions. Lets not turn this into yet another bashing thread.
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Agree. Thanks

MACkjam said:
Firstly, I've helped a few people here and there. Secondly I've been here a little longer than you even if I haven't posted much.
And yours???
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Made iTask, and made a lot of skins for various programs.

Rant about stupid people

WDF is up with retarded people moving on from small nokia's to the fuze and other ppc phones? They have no idea what they're doing! I mean come the fk on! One guy doesn't know how to transfer ringtones from his storage card to his /windows folder! I was just on the aee tee n tee forums. I mean FFS! Don't buy something you are not capable of handing! Is the world full of that many retarded/stupid people? They buy something that they are not fully capable of understand/using and then they complain about how bad it is. People are such idiots..

LOL! I've been thinking the same thing. I always thought I had the best of the best, which included all the extras I've got on it. But, when I see a f'n 12 year old girl T-X-T'n her mutha f***'n BFF on her brand new Touch Pro, I say WTF!!!!

I will make a general statement here....
People should be tested and then licensed before they are allowed to breed.

I HATE seeing people with expensive electronics... THAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE!
Whether it be a Diamond, or even a Touch, it just isn't right. Especially like MacBooks, MacBook Pros, Vaios... ugh. "How do I install an app???" GAH!

an old wize man once said, "Never Believe a noob when he says "it didnt work !" "

derekwilkinson said:
I HATE seeing people with expensive electronics... THAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE!
Whether it be a Diamond, or even a Touch, it just isn't right. Especially like MacBooks, MacBook Pros, Vaios... ugh. "How do I install an app???" GAH!
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Completly agree mate!!

Kraize said:
WDF is up with retarded people moving on from small nokia's to the fuze and other ppc phones? They have no idea what they're doing! I mean come the fk on! One guy doesn't know how to transfer ringtones from his storage card to his /windows folder! I was just on the aee tee n tee forums. I mean FFS! Don't buy something you are not capable of handing! Is the world full of that many retarded/stupid people? They buy something that they are not fully capable of understand/using and then they complain about how bad it is. People are such idiots..
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I don't agree with you and think that really you are just fed up with the noobs asking (in our opinion) questions that have rather simple answers just because they didn't take the time to search for the answer themselves. We have all been NOOBS at one time and had to figure out how to use our devices ourselves one way or the other. I myself only moved to a WM device a year ago (Previously had a Nokia 6620). The biggest difference was that I did tons of reading, research and soon discovered that there was so much more my device could do and learned how to customize by device. The point is, Everyone who gets a new device has to learn how to use it somehow. We just have to have some patience and try to help them learn how to use these forums so that they can teach themselves. It doesn't serve any purpose to be rude and call all these new WM device owners "retards" "Stupid" "Idiots", or to assume that they don't know how to handle these devices. They are still learning as we all did at one point.
Really if you are that annoyed with them then don't help them out. Just ignore the posts. Starting a thread like this doesn't serve to help this community. Isn't the purpose of this community suppose to be to help each other out though cooperation, sharing what we know about out devices with others, so that they can later help out other noobs themselves. It kind of defeats the purpose of this forum to constantly flame the noobs whenever they have a question and really if we don't try to help them by pointing them in the right direction, we are not being productive members of this community ourselves.
I'm not a programmer and will never pretend to be one or even understand anything about programming, so I can't contribute to this community that way; however, I can still contribute by helping other people understand the basics of their devices, solve / work around some of the quirks of their devices. You never know who you might be helping - one of these noobs my be a great programmer who after learning how to use their device and work around the devices short-commings, figure out how to improve on things themselves and share with the rest of us or write a really cool new app to share with the rest of us.
if you check out point # 8 and #9 by Administrator Peter Poelman here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=221545
this basically says it all.
8. Stay cool
Think of this as a on-line temple. A sacred place, dedicated to collaboration, learning and collective wisdom. Don't shout and try not to get angry. Maybe the world should adhere more to the basic filosofy of Internet protocol design: "Be strict about what you send, and liberal about what you receive". This forum has people from all countries, cultures and levels of mental maturity. This means that no matter what you're like, you'll have to adjust to people that are most definitely not like you. But on the other hand, try to be gentle with people, even in the event they're not gentle with you. It will gain you many reputation points if you help to keep the peace.
9. Help others if you can
OK, you can post that message now. If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping eachother, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
Take Care
Rod

@Rod.
No. Not really. I'm cool. I know we were all noobs at one time or the other, but I myself do not remember asking questions such as those. It could be some are naturally talented in technology. But I'm just saying, don't buy things that you don't know about. I tend to know things inside out before I even buy it.

i think what kraize is saying is bull at the end of the day we slag off noobs because they dont kno how to use the devices and wish they knew how to but because no one will tell them how theyll never become wiser if this goes on then the next generation of ppc user will be screwed because they been treat with contempt and told they shouldnt use these devices these people could be the next rom and software developers if they have the passion and apply them selves
so really they are not idiots theyve just been let down by a bunch of eletists who used to love teaching new things, but have lost the passion due to snootines or whatever

Kraize said:
@Rod.
No. Not really. I'm cool. I know we were all noobs at one time or the other, but I myself do not remember asking questions such as those. It could be some are naturally talented in technology. But I'm just saying, don't buy things that you don't know about. I tend to know things inside out before I even buy it.
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Hi Kraize. I fully agree with you that it is best to learn as much about a device before you buy it. Everyone should do this for anything they buy - Car, TV, Stereo, Computer, etc... I don't buy anyting until I have done some thorough research on the item - read reviews etc... to make sure it is a good device. I admit that I still didn't know much about WM devices when I purchased mine, only read reviews and certain web sites and asked lots of questions at the store where I purchased it. (but even the Rogers store clerks can't tell you about the full potential of these devices**They just don't know the devices they sell that well). I have to say though that if it wasn't for this forum, I wouldn't have learned as much about my device as I had. Keep in mind, I didn't start any NOOB threads asking silly questions. I joined in March 2008, but had been visiting this site since December 2007 after I purchased my device and learned as much as I could just searching, reading, searching more, reading and reading and reading and experimenting. I origianally only joined this community so that I could download some of the cool apps that have been developped by the other members here, but then found out that I can actually help others with what I had learned. To this date, I still have not started a single thread asking a question. I only PM'd one individual with one NOOB type question (asking about the difference between the touch Elf and touch Vogue ROM's ) as I could not find this information in my searches. (thanks to TheChampJT for answering this for me).
With this said - I won't say for sure that I won't ever feel the need to start a new thread asking a question, and I hope that if the time comes, people are understanding and either offer constructive answers or point me in the right direction.
What I would undertand ranting about, would be ranting about the ones who join this community and don't even try to find the answers for themselves or they do one search and don't dig deep enough to find their answers. Most answers are already out there but they just don't want to bother. I have spent many hours searching and finding my own answers, so I know it is possible and to see others not even try really burns me. I understand why they have questions, I had them myself, but for goodness sakes, if you have a new device and don't understand how to use it to it's full potential, then you have to do some reading and learn how to use it. Don't just immediately expect others to give you step by step instructions on what to do. Even if someone did do this, you wouldn't even understand how to use the device still since you didn't do it yourself.
It's all part of the adventure - learning how to maximize your device and understanding it and everyone deserves a chance to have this. Those who want an immediatlely easy to use and set up device - should get an IPhone

@ Everyone.
I'm trying to say here that I'm not dissing those who want to learn about the devices. I'm dissing those who are lazy and non-appreciative about it. Like a lot of other people, I've been a lurker for this site for a very long time. A couple years in fact. But those people that just ask things and wonder things without even reading the manual or typing it up on google dissappoint me. Btw. I've never really said anything about this site. I meant like on the AT&T forums. Too many people don't know a thing. I feel that CS and reps in stores feel the same way when retards come in asking how to turn on the phone (Beleive me, it has happened. In front me my eyes when I was buying the fuze).

hotrod pming is fine i have asked question by opening thread got flamed and understood but at the same time i was overjoyed with the few users who helped these peole dont need flaming they need teaching and its our right as winmo users to help them
I have a dream that one day this communtiy will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all mobiles are created equal."
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former mokia owners and the sons of former motorola owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that my three little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the OS on there mobiles or there ability to flash a rom but by being able to ask a question this wonderful of all sites and not get flames
I have a dream that one day, down in XDA, with its vicious Senior members, with its policy having its lips dripping with the words of "NOOB" and "READ THE WIKI" in such a nasty way. that this will all end and we can teach so they to can teach the ways on winmo

Or when you check the comments on freewarepocketpc before downloading and see tons of idiots asking for installation instructions. On the other hand WM phones are being marketed more and more as entertainment devices. It's not a f'n iPhone!
But a cab file? Google dammit! It's so damn simple!
Here's my rant (not quite sure if it's off topic, but it's ranting about stupid people):
Context: Our router failed. After a week of saying I was wrong and trying every random solution from the internet, my father finally admitted (claimed he knew it all along) that the router was broken and got us a new 110$ b/g/n router. We are 3 in the house and we only surf the web, no BitTorrent or anything fancy.
-Your father got a new router and it's working perfectly
-Nice!
-It's an N router
-But our computers don't support n, what's the point? There are 40$ routers that do the job
-Ours do, it's going to be way faster.
-Actually, I doubt so. Our router is already faster than the internet connection itself, there's a bottleneck.
-Yes but it's an n router, it's faster
-No, it can't be faster, we already topped the possible speed with our previous router. It's not like we were a dozen using the same connection to share file accross a football field. Another D-Link 524 would have done the job.
-You don't understand, it's faster, it's the new technology.
*goes back to work*

This thread is not going any where.. It's going to cause some flaming and such

ather90 said:
an old wize man once said, "Never Believe a noob when he says "it didnt work !" "
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this is probably one of my favorite quotes if ever read

you just have to look at the diamond threads
how many " phone bricked" threads are started
i will always try to help
but its suprised me how many are try to do thing that they haven't a clue about what they are "trying" to do
....or won't even take 5 mins to read a 1st post on a tread telling them what to do.

Mmmmm Its a shame, maybe a MOD wanna be here
I think that here are many **** people that dont read his own post... this Thread is embarrasing and ****s up all the forum... SENIORS and... saying this kind of things... its a real shame fellows, that needs to read again the threads many people pm me by msn real lost mens telling me men! I brick my phone... and i just help them... thats all!
Expensive, cheaps, guys, old men, are the same just need to have experience but y'all screw up that hope.
GOD you are so Tough and I think the champ must be some more quite.

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I think that here are many **** people that dont read his own post... this Thread is embarrasing and ****s up all the forum... SENIORS and... saying this kind of things... its a real shame fellows, that needs to read again the threads many people pm me by msn real lost mens telling me men! I brick my phone... and i just help them... thats all!
Expensive, cheaps, guys, old men, are the same just need to have experience but y'all screw up that hope.
GOD you are so Tough and I think the champ must be some more quite.
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Hmmmmmm........
I keep reading this line over,
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I think the champ must be some more quite.
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and over,
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I think the champ must be some more quite.
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and over again!
Maybe I'm the only lost one, but WTF are you saying, and further more, about me?

Easy men easy...
WTF what? I saw your post numbers... your star (ten EUR donate) your Avatar and I saw a Guy that likes to help people... but nop he is tire about helping idiots.... but.... Does it makes any sense? is not my problem man!... just be a little more relax... with that tongue men! be cool... flamming threads arent welcome anywhere, well in www.apestan.com you can post your fury about XDA n00bs.
Thats all.

+ Que PPC said:
WTF what? I saw your post numbers... your star (ten EUR donate) your Avatar and I saw a Guy that likes to help people... but nop he is tire about helping idiots.... but.... Does it makes any sense? is not my problem man!... just be a little more relax... with that tongue men! be cool... flamming threads arent welcome anywhere, well in www.apestan.com you can post your fury about XDA n00bs.
Thats all.
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I understood your post, but am confused at the take on me referring to a REAL LIFE person. I think you should read my post again. No mention of xda users in it, in fact I've found myself to be helpful here, and hope there are some that would say the same.

People bricking thier phones and tablets

I must say to the people who brick thier phones and tablets... shame on you!
You dont read or follow full directions before doing something, or you really arent techincal minded and cant admit you shouldnt be doing these things to your phones/tablets. and then go and brick them.
Now this isnt the problem I have (i fell bad for those who have).
My problem is with the people who then lie and call up the maker of the phone and make up some bull to get a new one, or return it to the store and lie to get a new one.
YOu people are the reason why more equipment makers wont lower thier prices and wont open thier systems up to people who accually know what they are doing.
You make it more expensive on everyone. I read post after post of people who return thier phones/tablets they have bricked for new ones. post after post of people just buying every tablet in site to "TRY IT OUT" and then return them before the dead line.
YOU people are why these things are so exspensive.
MY local best buy I kid you not had more tablets and ipads as open box buys then they had new ones. salesman told me all people are doing is buying screwing with them for a few days and then returning. then no one wants the open box ones because you dont know what people did to them.
Grow up if you break something its your fault not the manufactures why should they replace it? if you dont want something DONT BUY IT!!! dont buy it with the intention of playing with it then returning it thats just wrong.

You are one hundred per cent correct.
I'll use your thread as a bit of a chance to vent, this is not directed at you and apologies in advance
I am sick and tired of God-damn kiddies popping up here, loading software onto their phones, cocking it up because they haven't done the reading or just have no f*cking idea, then demanding a f*cking walkthrough on how to pull themselves out of the sh*t step-by-step, or as you stated (and worse) returning their devices to get a new one, driving up prices and promoting manufacturers to lock their devices up tighter and tighter. It's an absolute disgrace.
So many users these days seem to have a God complex, an over-bundance of self-righteousness and an expectation that they deserve everything on a bloody silver platter.
Never ceases to amaze me that these idiots are willing to try everything posted here at the drop of a hat without waiting for bugs to pop up or even seeing if it bricks a device. Everyone wants the best right now, and then wants top-notch support to go with it. Just because it f*cking looks pretty.
Motorola have the right idea. Lock everything up tight, offer the option of unlocking, and void the warranty immediately. That's a damn good business practice. Keeps Developers happy (they can start work immediately without all the unlocking/S-OFF bullsh*t), and, you would think, would make people think twice about what they're doing before they unlock their bootloaders. Still doesn't seem to work this way though, hey?
It's for this reason I have absolutely no problem with manufacturers locking their devices. It's a dickhead deterrent. Doesn't phase a good Developer, but the idiots and general masses (myself included) are stuck, and they don't have to replace our phones because we didn't read or didn't understand, or wanted the best without doing anything to deserve it.
Noone wants to take responsibility for their own actions. If a Dev's ROM doesn't work for someone, all of a sudden it's the Devs fault. Nevermind they didn't read the instructions, FAQs and whatever else may have been there. Christ I saw someone create a thread to demand a step-by-step walkthrough and download of ADB just before. What the f*ck? More importantly, what the f*ck are you doing here without doing any reading or research at all?
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Again mate, my apologies. I just agree with you, and I like the fact you've got 20-odd posts and 4 thanks already. You can have another one for your troubles!

The biggest issue I have is when a dev. writes an unlock code for a newer phone and it gets released to the public, freeing that phone from being locked down, but also opening it up to a whole slew of idiots that should't be allowed to have a miniUSB cable in their home.
I can honestly say that I have NEVER bricked a phone. I will say I have had issues come up, but never enough to consider the phone an expensive paperweight.
Currently I am working on porting the Android 1.6 rom from the Dream G1 to the HTC Raphael, a perfect example of software being the main contributor to sales volume.
The Dream has less RAM and NAND memory, less keys on the keyboard and a lower resolution screen than the Raphael, but since it has Android installed it sold quite a bit more than the more feature-laden Raphael.
If I brick the Raphael there's no big loss, It was a free phone...
I tend to cover every aspect when looking into cooking or building roms and anroid installs, unlike most who will flash their phone with something completely wrong for their device.
To any of the "kiddies" reading this, RESEARCH your device, RESEARCH the phone you're about to flash it to and RESEARCH known problems after install so you don't post flames to the OP of the ROM/build! Most good cooks will post known problems with their ROMs' and even tell you if you need to flash a different radio or not.
I hate seeing 300+ replies to a ROM posting... Most of the info is in the FIRST or SECOND post, unless otherwize stated by the OP.
(I needed to rant... sorry if I offended anyone)

PoXFreak said:
The biggest issue I have is when a dev. writes an unlock code for a newer phone and it gets released to the public, freeing that phone from being locked down, but also opening it up to a whole slew of idiots that should't be allowed to have a miniUSB cable in their home.
I can honestly say that I have NEVER bricked a phone. I will say I have had issues come up, but never enough to consider the phone an expensive paperweight.
Currently I am working on porting the Android 1.6 rom from the Dream G1 to the HTC Raphael, a perfect example of software being the main contributor to sales volume.
The Dream has less RAM and NAND memory, less keys on the keyboard and a lower resolution screen than the Raphael, but since it has Android installed it sold quite a bit more than the more feature-laden Raphael.
If I brick the Raphael there's no big loss, It was a free phone...
I tend to cover every aspect when looking into cooking or building roms and anroid installs, unlike most who will flash their phone with something completely wrong for their device.
To any of the "kiddies" reading this, RESEARCH your device, RESEARCH the phone you're about to flash it to and RESEARCH known problems after install so you don't post flames to the OP of the ROM/build! Most good cooks will post known problems with their ROMs' and even tell you if you need to flash a different radio or not.
I hate seeing 300+ replies to a ROM posting... Most of the info is in the FIRST or SECOND post, unless otherwize stated by the OP.
(I needed to rant... sorry if I offended anyone)
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This.
Firstly, good luck with your project. I have an old Raphael here so if I can be of help testing or whatever, let me know.
Second, you're exactly right. If you do the research, the issues you run into generally aren't overwhelming, and because you've read you already know what to do if you run into them. It's the kids that come in with their new toy, try and flash **** and **** it up, then expect the whole forum to bend over backwards to provide everything they need to fix their f*ck up. If they'd done what they should have done in the first place, we wouldn't be having this conversation!

First off let me say thanks for the support on my forum topic. I was a "noob" as well at one time. Heck we are all "noobs" with each new rom,tablet,sdk,phone,o.s. that hits the streets as each one has its own set of issues and work arounds.
For example when I went to root my dell streak 7 I read up on it, I read about all the options and how they worked , looked for what problems others had, if it was even a good option for me at the time. Then i took what seemed the most popular option and what seemed to work best for others. and while reading up on the process i came across the adb stuff as mentioned before.
I was like holy crap whats all that I have to do. Well at least I have a back ground in modding and computer repaires going back years so I have the means to understand what i am reading.
But like mentioned before most of these people have no idea what adb is or how to set it up or even use it, they just jump right in with the first half ass'd wrote tutorial that useually leaves a set out and bingo they brick thier device.
Then go and return or send it in for replacement jacking up the cost for everyone else.
All I can say is read read read read read read read oh and READ some more before you go and think your a hacker and mess with your 500 dollar phone or tablet. then go cry and want a free replacement when YOU screw it up.
IM not perfect I bricked the hell out of a nook color BUT If you calm down go on the net and look chances are someone else has done the same thing and the information is out there to undo it just like i found and now my nook is all happy.
IT is very rare that these devices are UNFIXABLE almost 98% of any thing you do to it can be undone if you dont have the knowledge to undo what you have done then you should not be messing with it in the first place period.
and if you have screwed it up dont go run to the store or the warrenty hot line with a bag full of lies. Cowboy up and take the blame dont expect others to bail you out and put even more ecnomic hardships and tighter lock downs on the rest of us becasue that is all your doing.
On the lighter side LOL please excuse my grammer,puctuation,spelling and so forth I get so into my posts sometimes I dont pay any attention lol. Then when I se the post I go wow I look like an idiot but a lazy one I dont bother to fix it .

sorry, but you are completely wrong. This is absolutely not how market works.
The price is not calculated and is not at all based on how many of devices get broken - which is how they are classified.
If all, then on contrary, the price may be reduced to reflect percentage of returned pieces. But again there is no dependence here.
Moreover, those devices will get reused, and will add on statistics to show problem with flashing, based on which they may try to make flashing more easy and foolproof. Yes maybe they'll decide to close some holes and make it more difficult to customize, but they might also decide to loose security here a little.
Look at HTC, you probably would agree they know about custom rom reflashing and I would say they even pulled some ropes to make it possible or easier.
It's market again, people who put custom ROM in their phone are more like pda freaks, specialist and their friends know them as such and when buying a phone asks them for opinion. So it's good for them to keep us, pda freaks, happy and allow us to tamper with their phones to be so.

Agree 110% that users should read, read, read and ask questions to be sure they fully understand what they are doing and the consequences before trying modifications. They should be held responsible for their actions. Hard-working developers waste far too much time bailing out fools from their own foolishness.
There should be far more posts like in this thread all over the internet.

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sorry, but you are completely wrong. This is absolutely not how market works.
The price is not calculated and is not at all based on how many of devices get broken - which is how they are classified.
If all, then on contrary, the price may be reduced to reflect percentage of returned pieces. But again there is no dependence here.
Moreover, those devices will get reused, and will add on statistics to show problem with flashing, based on which they may try to make flashing more easy and foolproof. Yes maybe they'll decide to close some holes and make it more difficult to customize, but they might also decide to loose security here a little.
Look at HTC, you probably would agree they know about custom rom reflashing and I would say they even pulled some ropes to make it possible or easier.
It's market again, people who put custom ROM in their phone are more like pda freaks, specialist and their friends know them as such and when buying a phone asks them for opinion. So it's good for them to keep us, pda freaks, happy and allow us to tamper with their phones to be so.
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Hum ... maybe you are right but maybe you are wrong. let me tell you my opinion of why I think you are wrong.
You say that all these returned devices that people jack up dont affect the market but somehow help the numbers?
OK I myself and most other people I know, if you go into a best buy lets say for the sake of argument and they have 2 tablets on the self One is brand new never been owned sealed up at 299.99. and the other is 10% off (I thinkthat is thier standard drop for open box) open box buy. what one are you gonna chose? knowing what people do with these things I dont know about you but to me the 30 bucks savings isnt worth the hassle of returning it when it doesnt work or to find out someone monkeyed with it. And i feel i am not alone and why there are so many open box buys sitting around on shelves.
Walmart doesnt restock returned tablets or phones doesnt matter if they are working or not they return everything to the manufacturer.
Manufacturers by law cannot resell a used item as new it has to be listed as refurbished.
so where do all these refurbished tablets go??? I dont see them. does anyone here have one? No they go to sleasy civic center electronics shows for resell at nearkly full retail and who buys them? no one at that pric people would rather have a new one. not to mention by the time the refubished junk makes its rounds to be resold its outdated and everyone wants the new thing.
Dont believe me there are stil factory refubished sega dreamcasts for sale on the internet... thats like form what 12 years ago.
all this material sitting arund DOES affect the prices we pay manufactures cant have 300 million in feurbished items sitting arund unsold with out it affecting its bottom line. so who pays for it... we do with higher prices.
also with that many items comming in defective they know which ones were hacked and messed up and which ones where manufacturing defects. when you get 100's of millions in loses do to people messing around with and screwing up your product YES you will lock it down more to make it harder.
Lets put this into a laymans terms.. lets say you own and run a chair store yes all you make are chairs. this month you made 100 chairs. well lets say 50 of them came back for refunds because people used them as something to stand on and broke them. so now your company is running at a greater then 60% loss. not only are you out the retail money for the chairs, your out the labor, the material, and the cost of now doing something with all the broken chairs. whicj included fixing them and then resellig them on a secondary market for less then the original retail. at this point your out a wad of cash and no body wants to buy your once broken chairs.
OK so now how do you go about correcting the problem you have keep people from breaking your chairs so you get less returns and there fore have a better bottom line so now you have to buy stornger wood, stronger glue, and make a more robust chair that people cant break.
all of this drives your costs up and profits down so what do you do?? Thats right you increase the cost of the chair.
You maybe right I dont think I have any idea how a market works.

i agree, just like real life, things come with inscructions for a reason.
i mean, if you buy a peice of furniture from ikea...well, good luck even with the inscructions (i flipping hate ikea, to many parts to assemble)
but the point is, they are there to show you what do to, i managed to read them, and i got my skyraider (i want to flash to a 2.3 rom, but, due to bugs and reading alot of them are glitchy, gonna hold off on that for a while.

I'm not gonna lie, I bricked my first Android phone, However.. HTC Replaced the internals Not everyone that does this is a noob, it only takes 1 mistake or 1 panic to they do something and it breaks Mine bricked flashing a radio (I had read no instructions) I saw the phone with a triangle on when it rebooted and was like ahh?! Have I broke it and ripped the battery out.. Which did infact break it However rooting etc. where to even download the tools needed you have to read through very simple step by step instructions which are HARD not to do exactly as said Then maybe I don't see how people end up breaking them

I have issues with these noobs wanting one click, exploits for everything and then when you.. (okay, I) suggest maybe, they actually learn, how to do it by long division...ie the "long way"...I get told to "get with the times" and "I, don't need too"....No?, well don't come crying to, me when something goes, wrong....I'll be too busy playing around on MY device....THAT ACTUALLY WORKS....
Sent using two tin cans and some string.....

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I have issues with these noobs wanting one click, exploits for everything and then when you.. (okay, I) suggest maybe, they actually learn, how to do it by long division...ie the "long way"...I get told to "get with the times" and "I, don't need too"....No?, well don't come crying to, me when something goes, wrong....I'll be too busy playing around on MY device....THAT ACTUALLY WORKS....
Sent using two tin cans and some string.....
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Damn right. You tell someone to go and do the 'hard' work themselves, all of a sudden these pr*cks step up and have the nerve to call you out. I'm sorry, but this place needs assholes, and lots of them. Kiddies will never learn if they're spoon-fed everything. Nothing teaches you something quicker than a smack on the ass.
I don't see anything at all wrong with calling out n00bs and serving a few idiots, provided it's done civilly. You'll always upset some people, but you can't be all things to all people, and I'd much rather be thought of as an asshole here and do my bit to cut down the bullsh*t, than sit idly by and watch this place die.

I can see it over in the desire hd forums too(and i bet it's the same situaion on other forums too). There are more and more people who are too stupid to read one of the guides in the dev section. We have dozens of threads on how to downgrade/ s-off. And these aren't just for the lulz.
Everyday we get tons of new threads like "HALP MEH I HAZ NO TAIM TO READ TEH GUIDES SO PLIZ HALP MEH UNLOCKING MAH PHONE!!!!!!!!!" or "I NO HAS READ GUIDE AND I NOW ONLY HAS WHITE HTC SCREEN!!!!11"...
It seems that they haven't even clicked one single time on the Dev-section before creating a new thread about a bootloop or anything else.
And last but no least: the search button.
It's the same story again. The forum is full of questions that were answered like a billion times in the past.
Guys, when will you realise it? It takes some effort to make our phones working as we want them to. And the most important thing to do is reading. Read the guides some users put a lot of effort in. Read them to understand your device better and read them just to hit the Thanks Button on the bottom of the guide.
Sent out of my Free Candy Van.

MacaronyMax said:
I'm not gonna lie, I bricked my first Android phone, However.. HTC Replaced the internals Not everyone that does this is a noob, it only takes 1 mistake or 1 panic to they do something and it breaks Mine bricked flashing a radio (I had read no instructions) I saw the phone with a triangle on when it rebooted and was like ahh?! Have I broke it and ripped the battery out.. Which did infact break it However rooting etc. where to even download the tools needed you have to read through very simple step by step instructions which are HARD not to do exactly as said Then maybe I don't see how people end up breaking them
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because noobs think they can do everything in one-shot and end up getting bit on the ass
plus one rom i had to go back and wipe it 4 times before it finally booted back the startup loop
so, trial and error and paitionce also is important.

Babydoll25 said:
I have issues with these noobs wanting one click, exploits for everything and then when you.. (okay, I) suggest maybe, they actually learn, how to do it by long division...ie the "long way"...I get told to "get with the times" and "I, don't need too"....No?, well don't come crying to, me when something goes, wrong....I'll be too busy playing around on MY device....THAT ACTUALLY WORKS....
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no, those aren;'t noobs, those are lazy people. they think technology will be instant...no, sorry never will, people get new tv's and think that everything will be setup out of the box, sadly this is why they have techs who have to come out and set the thing up for you because you were too ****ing lazy to take 30 minutes to an hour and do it yourself and save a buttload of money.
and how I rooted and got my roms on there? i read inscructions.....and Cvbcbcmv's video :/

Oh you poor OP. When will you learn?
Everyone was born unique. Therefore, everyone who was born falls on a different spot on the normal IQ curve. For everyone who is smart, quiet, listens to instructions, and respectful, there will be one d1ckwad on the other end of the equation (stupid, noisy, jumps the gun, and douchey).
From my experience, I know that I can only pray for these people and get the heck out of the dev section unless I need a new ROM.
But, all said and done, don't be discouraged by these id10ts, and continue to believe in humanity, or at least in me. I have never bricked my Desire, and the one time I was >< this close to bricking it, I knew what I did wrong and was prepared to fully accept the price of my stupidity. I have also read the instruction manual that came with my phone end to end (barring the index pages, anyway).

sakai4eva said:
Oh you poor OP. When will you learn?
Everyone was born unique. Therefore, everyone who was born falls on a different spot on the normal IQ curve. For everyone who is smart, quiet, listens to instructions, and respectful, there will be one d1ckwad on the other end of the equation (stupid, noisy, jumps the gun, and douchey).
From my experience, I know that I can only pray for these people and get the heck out of the dev section unless I need a new ROM.
But, all said and done, don't be discouraged by these id10ts, and continue to believe in humanity, or at least in me. I have never bricked my Desire, and the one time I was >< this close to bricking it, I knew what I did wrong and was prepared to fully accept the price of my stupidity. I have also read the instruction manual that came with my phone end to end (barring the index pages, anyway).
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Correction. Three dickwads

juzz86 said:
Correction. Three dickwads
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If XDA have this button called "follow", I'd click on it right now.

sakai4eva said:
If XDA have this button called "follow", I'd click on it right now.
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Cheers mate.
Unfortunately, some clowns are even beyond prayers. Look at how many threads there are for the f*cking Photon 4G. You'd think someone would have a look first, hey?
I don't want to be a Senior Member anymore. I want my user tag to be 'Ban Hammer'. Then watch me go!
Juzz86 - Ban Hammer
EDIT: Nice t1ts

The quote is funnier when you finally get the innuendos.

We are not easy to please

I only joined XDA in October. I use it a lot though due to an unswerving flash addiction.
I see this kind of message a lot in rom threads: 'Hello! I love your rom! It's by far the fastest I've used on XDA. The thing is, the clock is 0.0000000000000000000000000001% off center, and until this bug is sorted out I can't use your rom as my daily driver.'
Are we all getting too picky? It's a bit like saying 'well, thank you for the offer of a free Ferrari, but I don't like the color of the cigarette lighter so for now I'll carry on walking to work.'

Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do.
Don't let that evil person make you lose composure, just remain cool and remember all the other people who thanked you for your work and appreciate you doing it for them.
Those people who complain over the little things on a rom complain about everything in their life, and are never satisfied with the way things are going, and are too much of a hassle to please as all they will do is complain some more. Eventually they will just goto another rom and complain there as well.

kmx said:
Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do
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Nice analogy, especially has I've worked in retail most of my life. I sometimes feel that the ROM and kernel devs deserve a bit more than the demands they receive. Another favourite of mine is when I'll be reading a thread and someone will randomly say 'no good, no immersive' and nothing else.
Then again, I've barely been here 5 minutes!
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Paradelle said:
I see this kind of message a lot in rom threads: 'Hello! I love your rom! It's by far the fastest I've used on XDA. The thing is, the clock is 0.0000000000000000000000000001% off center, and until this bug is sorted out I can't use your rom as my daily driver.'
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But on the other hand they are using commercial software they have to pay for which is full of bugs and where they are used as beta-testers for the first releases...
But I have to confess, that Microsoft improved over the last couple of years compared to let's say, ehm, windows ME

It only gets worse from here. I hate to say this, and I don't mean to tar everyone with the same brush, but compared to iOS and WP users, Android users are some of the most egotistical, demanding, self-entitled, and utterly immature tech audiences out there, and a lot of users on XDA are even more-so. Most don't give a rat's ass how the development pattern goes, what XDA is for, or the fact that no one is being paid to contribute (there's also a special kind of full-retard XDA user that thinks donations are some sort of contractual payment).
You won't get anywhere trying to reason with these people, as they don't think they're doing anything wrong. It's a losing battle, let them be, and if you really want to, drop your favorite dev at least a thank-you note (if not a donation) in his XDA inbox, letting him/her know you personally appreciate the work being given to you at no cost on someone else's free time.
The longer you spend here, the more you'll be able to split the idiot users from the users who have true respect for this place.

That's another small reason I'm still on the stock ROM. I had to root and found a few tweaks to fix a few legit problems and awesome mods and I'm happy. But I really needed a stable well running phone and got one that I can easily tweak no problem.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using xda app-developers app

kmx said:
Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do.
Don't let that evil person make you lose composure, just remain cool and remember all the other people who thanked you for your work and appreciate you doing it for them.
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Why was I satisfied with the Samsung's Note battery series and disappointed with the Nexus line's?
Sent from my Nexus 5

dicecuber said:
Why was I satisfied with the Samsung's Note battery series and disappointed with the Nexus line's?
Sent from my Nexus 5
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OP, this is an example of a post to not bother responding to. All it takes is to look at his posting history; "dicecuber" spends most of his time either criticizing the Nexus 5, or posting completely irrelevant "questions" in threads that have nothing to do with them (i.e., he asked in the Nexus 5 Singapore thread "can you chew gum in Singapore").
People that respond to this sort of post only enable it to keep happening.

kmx said:
Have you ever worked Retail before?
You get tons of people who like what you have to offer and appreciate it so they keep coming back, then you have the people who think the world should revolve around them. The people who believe you owe them something for no apparent reason and the people who like to complain just to complain. They are the ones who sometimes try to act nice but complain over the smallest things and try to pull a fast one on you.You really have to either have patience with them or just completely ignore them because they think you have nothing better to do than to serve their needs/wants. But don't let them take advantage of your hard work and dedication to what you do.
Don't let that evil person make you lose composure, just remain cool and remember all the other people who thanked you for your work and appreciate you doing it for them.
Those people who complain over the little things on a rom complain about everything in their life, and are never satisfied with the way things are going, and are too much of a hassle to please as all they will do is complain some more. Eventually they will just goto another rom and complain there as well.
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And you complain about people who complain, if no one complained about anything what a terrible world it would be.

My motto is nothing happens if you don't ask. You don't have to be rude while asking, but if there is something bothering you, speak up. I don't see a problem with trying to perfect your experience. Say I use ROM X, but there's a certain feature in ROM Y that I love. Asking ROM X to include the feature from ROM Y isn't the end of the world. At the very least you'll get a no which may or may not come with an explanation as to why.
I don't believe never being satisfied is a negative. I believe it helps you strive for more which in turns helps you progress. I may be happy, but I'm not satisfied. For me, being satisfied means to accept things as they are and no longer push forward. I'm not saying being satisfied is a bad thing, rather I believe both being satisfied and not being satisfied are both good. Everyone ticks at their own pace, no need for us to all conform.
As for your example, everyone is different. Some people have OCD, through no fault of their own. Something as small as the clock being off centre can throw people off. As long as they aren't being rude, I see no problem in them pointing it out. Regardless of how insignificant the issue may be for you personally, the fact remains it is an issue. Bugs can't be fixed if no one reports them.

LiquidSolstice said:
OP, this is an example of a post to not bother responding to. All it takes is to look at his posting history; "dicecuber" spends most of his time either criticizing the Nexus 5, or posting completely irrelevant "questions" in threads that have nothing to do with them (i.e., he asked in the Nexus 5 Singapore thread "can you chew gum in Singapore").
People that respond to this sort of post only enable it to keep happening.
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i like you :highfive:

I just read on here some guy said he donated and what he was going to get for it. Like the dev owed him something.

jelle2503 said:
I just read on here some guy said he donated and what he was going to get for it. Like the dev owed him something.
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What's his name?
Anybody who's down for donating w/o knowing where his funds are going is someone I'd like to know.

welcome to xda.. things used to be different... long, long ago...

SOHKis said:
welcome to xda.. things used to be different... long, long ago...
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I agree. I don't know if people do this anymore but the bounty threads always end in drama. Users think a donation is more than that; a legal binding financial commitment. So when a dev doesn't come through they rage or threaten. They forget the definition of donations.
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Paradelle said:
I only joined XDA in October. I use it a lot though due to an unswerving flash addiction.
I see this kind of message a lot in rom threads: 'Hello! I love your rom! It's by far the fastest I've used on XDA. The thing is, the clock is 0.0000000000000000000000000001% off center, and until this bug is sorted out I can't use your rom as my daily driver.'
Are we all getting too picky? It's a bit like saying 'well, thank you for the offer of a free Ferrari, but I don't like the color of the cigarette lighter so for now I'll carry on walking to work.'
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You are not alone with those thoughts.
Over the years XDA has grown from a site made up of just developers, to a site comprised of more users than developers.
With the increase in users comes more non-development posts.
It is a balancing act to keep XDA focused on development and the non-development chatter to a minimum.
I am no going to close this thread.
If anyone has any questions or comments please PM me.
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can we stop these whatsapp threads/spams plzz!

every time I login theres a new whatsapp for this and that. Put it under one thread or something. itd getting pretty annoying!
:silly:

I feel ya. There are a lot of threads that need to be either linked or deleted. But XDA has turned into a thanks troll.
Can't even get relative information without scrolling through pages of trolls.

+1

That's why am using xda only in emergencies or when bored...
It used to be good ages ago, but nowerdays it for the masses and they are stupid.
Don't know the search function, post bull****, make it hard to get usefull information.
Stupid is spreading like Islam...
Maybe a bad comparison but that's how it is.
Even sammobile stopped leaking because of stupid people
Google made SD cards useless officially because of stupid people causing too many problems
Good series got cancelled because of being intellectually too demanding for the masses
...
I would pay 100 bucks for a forum with minimum IQ entry
Maybe it's far fetched and idiotic but it's getting worse and worse faster than ever before
Mods don't care... their job is to keep all happy... masses of idiots make tons of clicks -> better 4anking -> more money

Just remember this is a place where the uneducated can get helpful information. We all used to be uneducated at one point. We are here to help each other. If there was a group with only Albert Einstein's, what good would it be if you didnt share with the rest. Granted people do ask the same questions over and over but come on does it really piss you off that bad. I still think it's a dumb idea to give out your phone number to complete strangers so they can intant message you in the wee hours of the night. That sound like a group for geniuses.

Flyer.michael said:
That's why am using xda only in emergencies or when bored...
It used to be good ages ago, but nowerdays it for the masses and they are stupid.
Don't know the search function, post bull****, make it hard to get usefull information.
Stupid is spreading like Islam...
Maybe a bad comparison but that's how it is.
Even sammobile stopped leaking because of stupid people
Google made SD cards useless officially because of stupid people causing too many problems
Good series got cancelled because of being intellectually too demanding for the masses
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I would pay 100 bucks for a forum with minimum IQ entry
Maybe it's far fetched and idiotic but it's getting worse and worse faster than ever before
Mods don't care... their job is to keep all happy... masses of idiots make tons of clicks -> better 4anking -> more money
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I understand your frustration. Also, using Islam as an example is definitely a bad one. Please try to be be careful as to not cause offence.

jonahtriangle said:
Just remember this is a place where the uneducated can get helpful information. We all used to be uneducated at one point. We are here to help each other. If there was a group with only Albert Einstein's, what good would it be if you didnt share with the rest. Granted people do ask the same questions over and over but come on does it really piss you off that bad. I still think it's a dumb idea to give out your phone number to complete strangers so they can intant message you in the wee hours of the night. That sound like a group for geniuses.
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Asking the same questions over and over isn't the only problem. There's also more people complaining about very small things, or trolling if you will. "Why doesn't it have x, or y, or z?" Even if it's not really a problem at all. Of course people come here uneducated, and they want to learn. That's great. If everyone could just be more polite, or modest, the community would be so much better. Some people on here are acting like they're twelve years old.

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Asking the same questions over and over isn't the only problem. There's also more people complaining about very small things, or trolling if you will. "Why doesn't it have x, or y, or z?" Even if it's not really a problem at all. Of course people come here uneducated, and they want to learn. That's great. If everyone could just be more polite, or modest, the community would be so much better. Some people on here are acting like they're twelve years old.
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This is true I would have to agree. I'm not sure it warrants doing a whats app thread that possibly the same kids are joining and will later ask stupid questions in that group.

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