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How come we haven't seen a wave of aftermarket double DIN android based radio replacements yet? Android seems like the obvious platform for a new head unit. Foxconn should be able to hack the Moto Xoom's guts in to something within a week. Its even called the Xoom! Come on Mazda. All it needs is some custom sound processing and maybe an external GPS hook up and your car would be a million times more awesome. Forget an extra $2k for Sync or OnStar, you could buy a $5 app to steer your car with your phone!
Sorry that got a little rant-y there but does anyone know of any manufacturers working on this?
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How come we haven't seen a wave of aftermarket double DIN android based radio replacements yet? Android seems like the obvious platform for a new head unit. Foxconn should be able to hack the Moto Xoom's guts in to something within a week. Its even called the Xoom! Come on Mazda. All it needs is some custom sound processing and maybe an external GPS hook up and your car would be a million times more awesome. Forget an extra $2k for Sync or OnStar, you could buy a $5 app to steer your car with your phone!
Sorry that got a little rant-y there but does anyone know of any manufacturers working on this?
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You sir, have just earned your first thanks for posting this. We seldom see noobs posting something useful as a first topic, and here is proof that you are not all bad.
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I've been thinking about the same thing, maybe we can just hack it in like a car XBMC? Any car nut think that this will be possible?
Ya this would be awesome. I seriously wish everything I use ran android, including my toaster
Swyped via my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO
twiz0r said:
Ya this would be awesome. I seriously wish everything I use ran android, including my toaster
Swyped via my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO
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One day, I'm gonna retire and build an entire networked house. The moment I stop snoozing my alarm, the toaster will start, the coffee machine will start, and everything else will start.
Then I'd bang my wife and drink sucky coffee, but it'll be worth it.
This could in theroy be VERY possible. Id work on it for my truck but i dont have near enoughbfunds, time, or equipment.
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Hmm... maybe with a discarded tab, a bluetooth controller/keyboard, and plugged into your car battery?
I'm liking these ideas. Integration is good and we could have Android in almost anything, controlled by our phones. Keep the ideas coming
DirkGently1 said:
I'm liking these ideas. Integration is good and we could have Android in almost anything, controlled by our phones. Keep the ideas coming
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Erm... I would think that only certain non-safety-critical stuff be controlled via Android. Like the entertainment system. I don't want my Android to FC the braking application, nor would I like the Accelerator app to have a memory overflow.
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Hmm... maybe with a discarded tab, a bluetooth controller/keyboard, and plugged into your car battery?
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With some kind of regulator/switch to keep from raping the battery when you turn the car off
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in most countries it is illegal to even watch a dvd or TOUCH your GPS now...
android in the back seat maybe... but then just get a tablet and bluetooth the sound....
I have been wondering the same thing and had searched Google extensively a few weeks ago. There is one really simple single-DIN with a tiny teeny screen that runs Android, but I want a double-DIN with 7" LCD and built-in navigation.
Perhaps the problem is the open-source nature of Android? Big companies like Pioneer, JVC, Sony, Kenwood, etc. very much want to keep their products as closed as possible. I know Pioneer is kind of like Apple, they use custom chips for everything. I have an AVIC-Z3 navigation HU, and I think the only way anyone knew it uses a Hitachi SH4 processor is by disassembling the code. All the chips are Pioneer branded with Pioneer part numbers on them.
Of course, that begs the question of why no Chinese company has come up with an Android HU. After all, it's free and far cheaper for them to use than having to write a crappy proprietary OS or using Windows CE as many do.
It's too bad there aren't any hackers in the car navigation scene. If people can figure out how to boot Android on WinMo devices, I'm pretty sure the same skill set would work on car navigation as most run Windows Automotive (WinCE).
Oh, and there do exist a few double-DIN Car PCs that normally run XP. I don't know where to actually buy one, but something like that could easily run Android. The fact that they will use an x86 processor is no biggie considering Android apps all run in the Dalvik VM.
Thanks for the thanks...I think?
Anyway I'm working on this project for my BMW. BMW's from the mid 90's to the mid 00's have a serial bus that controls all entertainment functions (volume control, mode, HVAC). It's been throughly hacked with most of the codes available around the internet. I'm designing a hardware interface based on the sparkfun IOIO (which isn't actually in production yet) to talk to the bus with samsung tab. It should replicate all stock functionality plus all of what can be done with android. And the tab fits in the stock location! Of course, it'll only work with the previous generation of BMWs so there is still room for an all purpose solution...
As for stock stereos, Chevrolet is supposed to partner with google to put android in the new Volt. Maybe that will spurr a wave of awsomeness.
Just spotted these when sourcing for an double din player.
Here you go people:
http :// cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GPS-CAR-TRUCK-ANDROID-INTERNET-REMOVABLE-Tablet-RADIO-/280686274902?pt=Car_Audio_Video&hash=item415a34a956
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How come we haven't seen a wave of aftermarket double DIN android based radio replacements yet? Android seems like the obvious platform for a new head unit. Foxconn should be able to hack the Moto Xoom's guts in to something within a week. Its even called the Xoom! Come on Mazda. All it needs is some custom sound processing and maybe an external GPS hook up and your car would be a million times more awesome. Forget an extra $2k for Sync or OnStar, you could buy a $5 app to steer your car with your phone!
Sorry that got a little rant-y there but does anyone know of any manufacturers working on this?
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Well seems like someone has come up with something. If you have a BMW/Audi/Merc you can get a Dynavin replacement head unit that runs android
http://www.dynavin.com/index.php
I'm not sure how customizeable it is but its out there.
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Well seems like someone has come up with something. If you have a BMW/Audi/Merc you can get a Dynavin replacement head unit that runs android
http://www.dynavin.com/index.php
I'm not sure how customizeable it is but its out there.
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Wow, nice find! Would be nice to have this in an old Fiat Panda!!!
TRusselo said:
in most countries it is illegal to even watch a dvd or TOUCH your GPS now...
android in the back seat maybe... but then just get a tablet and bluetooth the sound....
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It's legal in the great free America
boborone said:
It's legal in the great free America
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Although texting is (and should be) illegal.
I used to work with a girl and she used to drive me home at night and she had one of the first gps units... it looked like a little tv and sat on the dashboard. A cop stopped us and yelled at her for "watching tv" while driving....
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Well seems like someone has come up with something. If you have a BMW/Audi/Merc you can get a Dynavin replacement head unit that runs android
http://www.dynavin.com/index.php
I'm not sure how customizeable it is but its out there.
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damm, i want one of these. awesome find!
Been looking for something like this myself for the past 2 months. I've found a similar product (pretty much the same dynavin unit, only this one is for sale ) and it's mounted on a Rover 75 which kinda' gives me a bit of hope that it's not BMW/Merc/Audi only (I own a 2004 Passat). It's a bit too expensive for me atm but maybe someone else is interested (and has the funds to actually get it). You can also add a rear view camera and it integrates nicely with the steering wheel controls (at least that's what they say).
http :// autogpsdvds.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59&product_id=135
I am very tempted to buy it but this would be my first head unit and I really want it to be an Android one (I've been really pleased with my Android phone so far). Any advice would be really appreciated. Also, how much does it usually cost to have it installed?
I was excited to get my Chromecast today, but not excited after testing some of the apps. I can use Netflix fine without issue, but all other apps have severe audio choppiness. For the sake of testing I moved the CC to my Vizio TV and tested the various apps and had no issues. My issue seems to be specific to my JVC LT-46P510 TV.
Anyone have any ideas on a fix? I checked for a firmware update, but nothing. Hoping someone has an answer out there.
I've heard of problems just like this. Other cases were signal issues. Use the extender that came with the cc and make sure the power is plugged into the wall and not a USB on the TV. If this doesn't work you might want to think of moving g the router if possible.
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I've heard of problems just like this. Other cases were signal issues. Use the extender that came with the cc and make sure the power is plugged into the wall and not a USB on the TV. If this doesn't work you might want to think of moving g the router if possible.
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Appreciate the response. I am currently using the extender and on USB power. As for the router it is about 1 foot from the CC.
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Appreciate the response. I am currently using the extender and on USB power. As for the router it is about 1 foot from the CC.
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In that case, try moving the Chromecast and router farther apart. Too close/strong is also not good for signal strength - the whole constructive/destructive interference thing.
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In that case, try moving the Chromecast and router farther apart. Too close/strong is also not good for signal strength - the whole constructive/destructive interference thing.
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I guess my question would be, why does Netflix work perfectly then and the other apps have the audio issue? The video play fine for all apps.
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I guess my question would be, why does Netflix work perfectly then and the other apps have the audio issue? The video play fine for all apps.
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It's up to the individual app as to what it points Chromecast to, then it's up to the provider (or site) as to what format is delivered. Seems Netflix is delivering audio in a format that is problematic for your equipment. HDMI supports a few different audio formats as well as sampling rates and bit depths.
Sent from a device with no keyboard. Please forgive typos, they may not be my own.
I would also check the input settings on that TV as well...Some TVs allow you to select which format to expect Audio over HDMI in/
I have the opposite problem. Netflix is all jacked up like Alvin and the chipmunks underwater while other apps are fine.
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Did some app specific testing this morning with some additional info/results. Out of the apps I have installed here is a list of the ones that are working correcting and the ones that are not.
Apps with Choppy Audio:
BeyondPod
Pandora
Vevo
Google Movies
Google Music
YouTube
Apps Working Correctly:
NetFlix
Revision3 TV
RedBull TV
I am hoping a developer or someone with greater knowledge can chime in. I did check JVC's website and no firmware available. I also checked the settings for the input and found nothing for adjusting input audio.
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I am hoping a developer or someone with greater knowledge can chime in. I did check JVC's website and no firmware available. I also checked the settings for the input and found nothing for adjusting input audio.
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Well you say the device works fine on other TVs right?
That suggests it isn't the CCast that is the problem...
Only thing left to blame is the TV. I would suggest calling JVC support.
One thing I noted from your Manual specs is the TV only supports PCM. I'm going to guess this is a very old TV as far as HDMI standards go.
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Well you say the device works fine on other TVs right?
That suggests it isn't the CCast that is the problem...
Only thing left to blame is the TV. I would suggest calling JVC support.
One thing I noted from your Manual specs is the TV only supports PCM. I'm going to guess this is a very old TV as far as HDMI standards go.
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TV was manufactured in 2010. I suppose that could be old in HDMI standards.
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TV was manufactured in 2010. I suppose that could be old in HDMI standards.
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Sadly, it might be. My Sony TV is 2009 and it doesn't support DLNA Video - only Pictures and Music. Not that I'd really use its interface for that anyway, but you get the point.
Manufacturers tend to lag behind the release of a standard since it takes time to design a product, acquire licenses, and bring it to market. The times when they are chomping at the bit to be first (or at least current), you get stuff like the early 802.11n "draft" hardware that didn't always get updated if there was some hardware limitation.
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TV was manufactured in 2010. I suppose that could be old in HDMI standards.
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It's less about what year the TV was made and more about how old the design is and what technology they decided to include.
Sometimes to keep the price down they use older circuitry and outdated CPUs since they are cheap to buy at the time,
Sometimes it's all about how much time they spent on the Settings programming, and protocol support.
Still say that a call to JVC would be the best option, Just be sure to tell them that you have no problems with your unit in other areas and DO NOT under ANY circumstances tell them anything they can use to say NOT OUR PROBLEM!
Don't mention things like Signal Strength of WiFi or anything but the fact that it doesn't work with their TV but works with all the others.
Give them even an inch to say it's not our fault and you will get no help.
Hopefully your will not be the first call they get if it is a model wide problem and maybe they will come up with a firmware update to fix it.
Sounds like I am almost S.O.L.
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Sounds like I am almost S.O.L.
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No just that it maybe time to upgrade your TV or that there maybe something wrong with it that you hadn't noticed till now.
I would even try another input just to see if it's just a matter of a bad one.
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No just that it maybe time to upgrade your TV or that there maybe something wrong with it that you hadn't noticed till now.
I would even try another input just to see if it's just a matter of a bad one.
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Only had the TV about 2 years. I did open a ticket with JVC, though have done that in the past for another issue and never heard a word from them. Poor technical support. Will see what happens with this one.
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Only had the TV about 2 years. I did open a ticket with JVC, though have done that in the past for another issue and never heard a word from them. Poor technical support. Will see what happens with this one.
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The only way to get good results from tech support is to call them and keep them on the phone until they have a decent answer....
Most of the time that means getting past the guy reading from the idiot test menu that tells you the shut off or power down the unit blah blah blah....
Normally I wouldn't blame the TV but you said the unit works fine on others but not the JVC.
The only other option I can think of is to buy a cheap Audio Amp that has at least two HDMI Inputs and plug the CCast into that and let the Amp feed the TV. Then at least your gaining some capability for the money you will be spending.
I would never buy a JVC TV (I tend to stay away from Panasonic these days as well).
Samsung is the Monitor leader along with Phillips. Samsung actually makes a lot of the LED Panels the other brands use.
Asphyx said:
The only way to get good results from tech support is to call them and keep them on the phone until they have a decent answer....
Most of the time that means getting past the guy reading from the idiot test menu that tells you the shut off or power down the unit blah blah blah....
Normally I wouldn't blame the TV but you said the unit works fine on others but not the JVC.
The only other option I can think of is to buy a cheap Audio Amp that has at least two HDMI Inputs and plug the CCast into that and let the Amp feed the TV. Then at least your gaining some capability for the money you will be spending.
I would never buy a JVC TV (I tend to stay away from Panasonic these days as well).
Samsung is the Monitor leader along with Phillips. Samsung actually makes a lot of the LED Panels the other brands use.
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Don't be afraid to politely ask for your case to be escalated.
I still remember when Sony support was adamant that I unscrew my Clie NX80V's stylus to push the reset button on the back... The NX80V's stylus didn't unscrew and its reset was on the side, pushable by the non-unscrewing stylus. I humored them and pretended to unscrew it.
You could also get an off-board decoder that will "dumb things down" to PCM, but for what you'll usually pay for that, you get a better deal getting the amp with it.
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Don't be afraid to politely ask for your case to be escalated.
I still remember when Sony support was adamant that I .....
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LOL the Beauty of being in Broadcast...I would just call up my Broadcast rep who would have the Consumer guy who worked on the unit development call me back!
Yes don't be afraid to ask to be escalated to a higher level tech. They are available but usually only get them when you confuse the ell out of the guy who originally answered the phone by talking tech way over his head! LOL
Well Sadly I have yet to find a solution to my issue. I pretty much have a Chromecaset where only the Netflix app works on my JVC TV. Not going to upgrade my TV just to get Chromecast to work. Back to a Roku I guess.
If you could request -- or righteously demand -- any custom Moto mod, what would it be?
( Try to stay within the boundaries of physics and reasonability... That being said, legally or morally questionable is totally legit).
I personally would love a mod with a 6300mAh (or greater) battery extension that also housed the following ports: 2x USB 2.0, 1x stereo 1/8", 2x microSD.
It sounds like a lot, I know, but I figure if they can pack those damn 7-in-1 flash media adapters into a 2"x3" chunk of plastic, why couldn't they do it in a mod with some extra battery love?
What about of a mod with IR blaster, one or two more SIMs support, one more microSD slot and wireless charge support all-in-one?
Since of my info, it should be doable...
enetec said:
What about of a mod with IR blaster, one or two more SIM support, one more microSD slot and wireless charge support all-in-one?
Since of my info, it should be doable...
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Oh drats, i totally didn't think of an IR blaster, yeaaaah that would be nice! ( > *.* )>= ~ ~ ~ ~ {[~~ TV ]}
Some_Donkus said:
Oh drats, i totally didn't think of an IR blaster, yeaaaah that would be nice! ( > *.* )>= ~ ~ ~ ~ {[~~ TV ]}
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Eheheheh... Having had a Griffin before, I had more time to think on this!
They could call it Geez-MOD... :laugh:
(I've saw something about a project for a 4 SIMs mod some time ago, but never heard nothing more to date... )
I found it... What we need. Battery pack (like 2300mah) combined with this. >>> http://androidpimpreviews.blogspot.com/2016/08/blog-post_7
Some_Donkus said:
I found it... What we need. Battery pack (like 2300mah) combined with this. >>> http://androidpimpreviews.blogspot.com/2016/08/blog-post_7
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"Does not exist."
I would love to see an output or something on the mod to use it as a VR headset to the PC. That would be intuitive. Might need some coding to it and an official update to the mods app by Motorola, but would be a nice addition of "gimmicks" motomods bring.
Woops . Try this. http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G145457216438
Hi people I'm new. And happy to be here.
I appreciate all the work xda do, and I hope to learn from the community.
So please bear with me for making foolish comments.
Now my option for a mod is something like a wireless charger, flip cover case with a headphone jack.
If some more battery power can be added fine.
But this will be a case ft a headphone jack= best phone ever!!!
yeah, having a headphone jack would be useful, ive been burned several times forgetting that dang dongle!
I slide-out gamepad, to mimic the Xperia Play. Motorala's current gamepad is not travel friendly at all.
I always loved the way my Moto 360 turns into a little bedside clock when you put it on the charger. What if we had a Moto Mod dock you could put your phone on to charge and turn your phone into a little bedside clock. Maybe it also shows notifications on one side and have a clock with the weather forecast on the other.
Honestly i know it was talked about but it appears the project was a huge scam but why not take the edgemod as seen on indiegogo at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/edge-mod-supercharge-your-moto-z#/ and combine it with Dual Sim Support, some of motorola's devmods look like they could easily make that happen.
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Honestly i know it was talked about but it appears the project was a huge scam but why not take the edgemod as seen on indiegogo at https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/edge-mod-supercharge-your-moto-z#/ and combine it with Dual Sim Support, some of motorola's devmods look like they could easily make that happen.
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It ended as a scam?
I would llike to see moto mod with project ARA
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It ended as a scam?
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yes when you read the comments that "Company" deleted every trace of them selves and absconded wit the donations, even people who were selected to receive the "Beta Mods" said they never got em
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yes when you read the comments that "Company" deleted every trace of them selves and absconded wit the donations, even people who were selected to receive the "Beta Mods" said they never got em
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Great!
I have the experience and most of the know-how to make a board for the stuff suggested... I've built bread boards before, and even custom programmed eprom chips before for custom audio rigs. I've dabbled with raspberry pis... Maybe after Xmas bonus I'll put down the money to buy the motomod Dev kit and see what I can do. The boards and modules won't be the difficult part. Building the exterior form factors to make it actually end-user friendly will be another story.
If (big if) I can get a few boards made that work exactly as intended with their respective modules, I'll see about the next step. This kind of stuff is way more in my wheelhouse than mobile programming.
I have many ideas but one would be a battery mod which accepted AA batteries. So instead of an internal sealed battery it could be sold without batteries and then just add the AA batteries and it would be working for emergencies.
Multi-mod
Kind of thick, but I think it may be worth the bulk
2000mAh bonus battery - reasonable, IMO
3.5mm port on the bottom, IR blaster on the top, a full size USB A port on the left, a full size HDMI port on the right. Plug in monitor, keyboard, and mouse with a USB hub for an instant desktop, or plug into a TV to mirror the screen. Obviously, things like plugging in USB gamepads for multiplayer phone gaming, plugging in a microphone and MIDI controller to use with FL Studio Mobile, etc, are fair game.
Slide it down for a 5 row keyboard. Out of the sides of that comes a flat gamepad with four shoulder buttons, four main action buttons, a d-pad, start and select buttons, and two clicky PSP-style flat sliding joysticks. It can wrap around the keyboard to create something like a Nintendo DS but with a keyboard instead of a second screen, or can wrap around the phone while the keyboard is hidden to give you a PS Vita-like setup.
Essentially, the point is to turn the phone into a pocket laptop. Need to work, but your laptop is nowhere near? Boom. Want to get your game on without touchscreen controls getting in the way? Boom. Want to plug in a scanner via USB and preserve priceless family photos dating back centuries? Boom.
If I were to prototype this myself(which I unfortunately lack the skills and funds for), I'd imagine it would come out costing about $180, with profit margin thrown in. Here's how I figure.
rPi Zero for ports - $15
Scrap PSP and four small buttons for game controller - $50
Keyboard - $30
Requisite connectors - $10
Plastic case (probably would have to have these custom 3D printed in bulk or simply get a 3D printer) - $5-ish
New 2,000mAh li-ion battery: $20
Cost to me: $130
Profit per unit without considering other overhead like work time or having to buy a 3D printer: $50
Honestly, the more I go on typing this, the more I want to check out how to actually make something like this.
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Kind of thick, but I think it may be worth the bulk
2000mAh bonus battery - reasonable, IMO
3.5mm port on the bottom, IR blaster on the top, a full size USB A port on the left, a full size HDMI port on the right. Plug in monitor, keyboard, and mouse with a USB hub for an instant desktop, or plug into a TV to mirror the screen. Obviously, things like plugging in USB gamepads for multiplayer phone gaming, plugging in a microphone and MIDI controller to use with FL Studio Mobile, etc, are fair game.
Slide it down for a 5 row keyboard. Out of the sides of that comes a flat gamepad with four shoulder buttons, four main action buttons, a d-pad, start and select buttons, and two clicky PSP-style flat sliding joysticks. It can wrap around the keyboard to create something like a Nintendo DS but with a keyboard instead of a second screen, or can wrap around the phone while the keyboard is hidden to give you a PS Vita-like setup.
Essentially, the point is to turn the phone into a pocket laptop. Need to work, but your laptop is nowhere near? Boom. Want to get your game on without touchscreen controls getting in the way? Boom. Want to plug in a scanner via USB and preserve priceless family photos dating back centuries? Boom.
If I were to prototype this myself(which I unfortunately lack the skills and funds for), I'd imagine it would come out costing about $180, with profit margin thrown in. Here's how I figure.
rPi Zero for ports - $15
Scrap PSP and four small buttons for game controller - $50
Keyboard - $30
Requisite connectors - $10
Plastic case (probably would have to have these custom 3D printed in bulk or simply get a 3D printer) - $5-ish
New 2,000mAh li-ion battery: $20
Cost to me: $130
Profit per unit without considering other overhead like work time or having to buy a 3D printer: $50
Honestly, the more I go on typing this, the more I want to check out how to actually make something like this.
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A prototype with all working features wouldn't be the hard part of any of this... the hard part would be the physical engineering of making it "compact" and pocket friendly. Not just 3-d printing, but you would eventually have to get in there with some rebound steel strips and such to make the "Slide" out sections slide properly... but fortunately, in the world we live in, if you had a working prototype (no matter how fugly and un-pocketable) some company is likely to buy it from you. A company that actually has the manufacturing resources to build all the nitty gritty mechanical parts.
I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech. I'm actually disappointed to see how xda gave this phone "the best phone award". Companies are toying with us and as a oneplus fan I'm really sad to see them continue this despite the complaints of many over the 6T. I just just bought a 5T myself because of this (6 has a notch so went for the 5t). I fear that in the future there will be no option for those who want a headphone jack. And even worse, no charging port.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
I wanted to create a poll but I don't see an option on the app, so I will just ask these questions. Let me know what you think.
Aren't you worried that the next models will ship with wireless charging only?
Is that what we will see in the future?
Would OP join this crazy trend?
PS: I'm posting on the OP forum since what I wanna discuss here is what will happen in the future and what do you guys think OP will do about it.
Technology is changing, rapidly and over and over again - part of this change is the move from wired headphones to wireless ones, another one is the trend to curved displays (which I don't crave), the omission of notification LEDs and probably also the trend towards wireless charging (which I actually find convenient).... I doubt it'll leave out the USB port because you would neither get an option to transfer data via OTG nor would be able to recover the phone when something is broken - but who knows
IMO Oneplus is following where the market is going. We could hope and argue that it could very well be the other way round, but the volume is not with us few tech enthusiasts but with the broad masses and the trendsetter presently is not Oneplus (which I would wish to be otherwise)....
You do realize the OnePlus 6 has a headphone jack right?
Phones without ports are the future. Within a few years you can powercharge your phone wirelessly. Would be better for all of us. And btw invest in a good pair of wireless headphones mk3 sony are very very very good.
for music - use audio players like astell kern, fiio etc. Its just a talk about your money, if you can afford it. But. About bezelless screens, its all very disapointing. Personally, i'd like to back to 16:9 screens, like 5 and 3t was. Oneplus is no more phones for geeks, its for beauty bloggers, HA
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I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech.
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But it did adapt to us. We humans (not me specifically until this phone) bought these phones without a headphone jack for 2 years. Didn't touch sales numbers. So the market adapted, one less hole to waterproof, and room to save costs on circuit noise reduction, integrated DAC+AMPs etc.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
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exaggeration to get your point across
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
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subjective opinion
but yeah I mostly agree with everything else, I hate trends.
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You do realize the OnePlus 6 has a headphone jack right?
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Sorry a typo.
Didn't get the 7/6t for the jack. Didn't even considered the 6 because of the notch (considering the 5t is just one step below the 6 i'd rather not have a notch).
I'll edit my first post
bartjeh1991 said:
Phones without ports are the future. Within a few years you can powercharge your phone wirelessly. Would be better for all of us. And btw invest in a good pair of wireless headphones mk3 sony are very very very good.
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Most troubling is not charge time but not being able to use your phone while charging. Plus I'd like to see how we would root a phone without ports...
s3axel said:
Technology is changing, rapidly and over and over again - part of this change is the move from wired headphones to wireless ones, another one is the trend to curved displays (which I don't crave), the omission of notification LEDs and probably also the trend towards wireless charging (which I actually find convenient).... I doubt it'll leave out the USB port because you would neither get an option to transfer data via OTG nor would be able to recover the phone when something is broken - but who knows
IMO Oneplus is following where the market is going. We could hope and argue that it could very well be the other way round, but the volume is not with us few tech enthusiasts but with the broad masses and the trendsetter presently is not Oneplus (which I would wish to be otherwise)....
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Wow just noticed the led thing. So glad I still have it.
Considering the new trend of not repairing broken stuff (ehem apple ehem) I worry that could extend to the rest of the market and end up killing the usb. But good point.
Your last point is very valid. But what I always liked about oneplus is that they didn't follow most trends. Instead they relied on community feedback (ofc ppl in forums is mostly geeks). Don't get me wrong. As a company that is probably the right strategy. I just wish they had like a second phone for us fans of the opo.
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Phones without ports are the future. Within a few years you can powercharge your phone wirelessly. Would be better for all of us. And btw invest in a good pair of wireless headphones mk3 sony are very very very good.
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by harnessing the kinetic and heat energy of you body?
even photon beam charging?
ive been questioning why we havent advanced in battery tech in a while... we are using hundreds (some would suggest thousands) of year old tech to power on our phones
Pawer8 said:
I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech. I'm actually disappointed to see how xda gave this phone "the best phone award". Companies are toying with us and as a oneplus fan I'm really sad to see them continue this despite the complaints of many over the 6T. I just just bought a 5T myself because of this (6 has a notch so went for the 5t). I fear that in the future there will be no option for those who want a headphone jack. And even worse, no charging port.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
I wanted to create a poll but I don't see an option on the app, so I will just ask these questions. Let me know what you think.
Aren't you worried that the next models will ship with wireless charging only?
Is that what we will see in the future?
Would OP join this crazy trend?
PS: I'm posting on the OP forum since what I wanna discuss here is what will happen in the future and what do you guys think OP will do about it.
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I personally have used wireless bt headphones and now true wireless earbuds Jabra elite are amazing for years. Who wants cords when working out for starters. Second I don't understand the outrage over not having a headphone Jack. You spend 7-800 on bleeding edge tech but want to use wired headphones? Backwards to me. And honestly get used to it. It's not going away. Wireless everything. For me it's cloud, bt, wireless charging, casting, nfc file transfers etc....
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souless poet said:
I personally have used wireless bt headphones and now true wireless earbuds Jabra elite are amazing for years. Who wants cords when working out for starters. Second I don't understand the outrage over not having a headphone Jack. You spend 7-800 on bleeding edge tech but want to use wired headphones? Backwards to me. And honestly get used to it. It's not going away. Wireless everything. For me it's cloud, bt, wireless charging, casting, nfc file transfers etc....
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Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.
I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.
virtyx said:
by harnessing the kinetic and heat energy of you body?
even photon beam charging?
ive been questioning why we havent advanced in battery tech in a while... we are using hundreds (some would suggest thousands) of year old tech to power on our phones
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Hahah true. But also there have been improvements on battery tech. It's just that there have been no big changes. The main problem is that to store more energy you basically need to start looking at more exotic materials that at the same time are more dangerous to handle.
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Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.
I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.
Hahah true. But also there have been improvements on battery tech. It's just that there have been no big changes. The main problem is that to store more energy you basically need to start looking at more exotic materials that at the same time are more dangerous to handle.
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now to just find an minuscule sized nuclear reactor encapsulated by a moscovium infused gaseous-ring enforced with a vibranium outer casing, then i think we would be set.
Well I have 3 pairs of headphones ranging from 100 to 200 quid so it's not about money.
I've tried bt headphones but they are a pain in my opinion. You have to charge them and sound quality is not as good. Tho I must say that in the car the 5T does seem to have better quality than the 3T over bluetooth but still can hear it struggle.
Never have had an issue. My Sony over the ear wireless sound amazing. My Jabra sound quality is amazing as well and I have to charge the case once every two weeks. I mean we are living in a world where we have to charge our laptops and tablets and phones...don't think having to charge headphones is a deal breaker. Now again it's about preference. I'm good w not having a headphone Jack. Didn't use it when I had a phone that did. To each is own.
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You don't see us using vinyl records, feather with ink, or a wired telephone connection today do we? So, stop yapping about things you don't like, if you don't like change, then go back to your Nokia 3310. If people don't accept change like the headphone jack, or USB C port, then why would people still buy them? It's like the 90hz screen, once you have it, you don't wanna go back. Don't talk trash about things that you haven't tried.
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You don't see us using vinyl records, feather with ink, or a wired telephone connection today do we? So, stop yapping about things you don't like, if you don't like change, then go back to your Nokia 3310. If people don't accept change like the headphone jack, or USB C port, then why would people still buy them? It's like the 90hz screen, once you have it, you don't wanna go back. Don't talk trash about things that you haven't tried.
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I have tried bluetooth headphones... Don't like them. They are heavy and need recharging. And batteries go bad with time.
It's hard to beat the comfort of a headphone that weighs half as much.
And yes many ppl use vinyl just so you know....
This trend took off thanks to apple fanboys.
What good things do we get by trading in the headphone jack?
Larger screens with notches? Or maybe popup cameras that will fail in a couple years?
It's not like they are trying to get the phones smaller...
About tastes there is nothing written and it is very difficult to please everyone equally.
Before they removed the Jack 3.5, I no longer used it, so I do not care.
For the usb-c to charge and sound, it would bother me a lot to remove it, because I do not like to lose the possibility of having cable sound input even for the C and even less be forced to have another device to charge? And I'm home? I think that is not possible ....
I do not like the drop noch either, but I prefer it to frames ... and the worst is the curve edge! Please! What is it for? To play reflexes ??? To lose screen? Life is curved? Yes, of course, when I play football when I get to the line, the ball falls into the void suddenly ... yuck! regards
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I do miss the headphone jack, but only because I have some really nice wired headphones that I would like to connect to my phone on the odd occasion because that's where all my music is. Saying that, 99% of the time I'm using my Jabra Elites. If needed, I can get a music player as a separate device to get my audio nerd on, whilst I admit I would rather have one device. But I'm not shlopping around a big set of headphones around with me all the time. That's not going to happen. Nowadays any decent set of wireless IEM's compete well with wired IEM's. I don't think they will get rid of ports altogether, just because what happens when it bricks. You always have to be able to physically connect up.
If you want to use wired headphones with your phpne, the OnePlus usbc dongle sounds about the same as the phpnes with the 3.5mm port. If you want true fidelity, you should try the digital audio players that was mentioned in a reply above. If you really want good quality playbacknon yoir phone, the only options are true USB-C DAC/AMP or bluetooth receivers like Fiio Q5S
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You don't see us using vinyl records, feather with ink, or a wired telephone connection today do we? So, stop yapping about things you don't like, if you don't like change, then go back to your Nokia 3310. If people don't accept change like the headphone jack, or USB C port, then why would people still buy them? It's like the 90hz screen, once you have it, you don't wanna go back. Don't talk trash about things that you haven't tried.
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I think you are being too harsh. You may not realize but Vinyls quality of sound beats CD quality any day. When was the last time you had the luxury of listening to a clean vinyl? Ok, enough about the vinyls. I think what OP is trying to say is limiting the choices. I personally, would not care if phone does not have a phone jack as long as there is a similar model with a jack option. When you buy a car, besides many other available options available under different package and price points, you STILL have an option to buy stick or automatic transmission. Some of the innovation being made under the banner of "technology and advancement" is simply a marketing hype. Smartphone sales are way down if you look at any year to year data, so manufactures have to market the latest and greatest technology whether you need it or not.
So OP is not talking about trash, you need to be open-minded and think outside the narrow box. Here is a quote from Steven Spielberg:
Technology can be our best friend, and technology can also be the biggest party pooper of our lives. It interrupts our own story, interrupts our ability to have a thought or a daydream, to imagine something wonderful, because we're too busy bridging the walk from the cafeteria back to the office on the cell phone.
Steven Spielberg
Gr8man001 said:
I think you are being too harsh. You may not realize but Vinyls quality of sound beats CD quality any day. When was the last time you had the luxury of listening to a clean vinyl? Ok, enough about the vinyls. I think what OP is trying to say is limiting the choices. I personally, would not care if phone does not have a phone jack as long as there is a similar model with a jack option. When you buy a car, besides many other available options available under different package and price points, you STILL have an option to buy stick or automatic transmission. Some of the innovation being made under the banner of "technology and advancement" is simply a marketing hype. Smartphone sales are way down if you look at any year to year data, so manufactures have to market the latest and greatest technology whether you need it or not.
So OP is not talking about trash, you need to be open-minded and think outside the narrow box. Here is a quote from Steven Spielberg:
Technology can be our best friend, and technology can also be the biggest party pooper of our lives. It interrupts our own story, interrupts our ability to have a thought or a daydream, to imagine something wonderful, because we're too busy bridging the walk from the cafeteria back to the office on the cell phone.
Steven Spielberg
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Thanks. That was a perfect analogy.
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If you want to use wired headphones with your phpne, the OnePlus usbc dongle sounds about the same as the phpnes with the 3.5mm port. If you want true fidelity, you should try the digital audio players that was mentioned in a reply above. If you really want good quality playbacknon yoir phone, the only options are true USB-C DAC/AMP or bluetooth receivers like Fiio Q5S
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To be honest I could live with a phone with 2 usb-c. Just buy... 5 adapters and use some heatshrink to secure them.
As I'm writing this I'm using both the usb and the jack on my phone.
That wouldn't be too crazy would it?
Pawer8 said:
I'm sad to see that people are accepting the death of the headphone jack. We (humans) create tech therefore is tech that should adapt to us, not us to tech. I'm actually disappointed to see how xda gave this phone "the best phone award". Companies are toying with us and as a oneplus fan I'm really sad to see them continue this despite the complaints of many over the 6T. I just just bought a 5T myself because of this (6 has a notch so went for the 5t). I fear that in the future there will be no option for those who want a headphone jack. And even worse, no charging port.
To me the next logical step in this crazy trend is to get rid of the usb-c port. And seeing how well people are accepting the removal of the headphone jack I fear they will have no trouble in doing so.
And yes I get it the jack is quite big and limits screen size. But let's face it, it is really annoying to tap the edges of the screen by accident, which gets worse with these bezel-less phones, so please don't try to convince me.
I wanted to create a poll but I don't see an option on the app, so I will just ask these questions. Let me know what you think.
Aren't you worried that the next models will ship with wireless charging only?
Is that what we will see in the future?
Would OP join this crazy trend?
PS: I'm posting on the OP forum since what I wanna discuss here is what will happen in the future and what do you guys think OP will do about it.
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While I mean no offense to you, I think people who trash talk phones without headphone jacks just want something to complain about. The headphone jack isn't gone. Just use an adapter. There's your headphone jack as an option if you so desperately need it.
Sure, it's a half an inch long cord, but there's the absolutely perfect solution to your problem.
I know you're going to reply to this by saying "But it's so inconvenient! It would be so much more convenient if it was built in! I'll lose the cable!",
You can either use an adapter, hook it onto the end of your wired headphones so you don't lose it, or you can not have a headphone jack at all, and make posts on an anonymous Internet forum about how disappointed you are.
Technology nowadays is extremely powerful, and it's honestly a pretty amazing marvel of engineering and skill. A little lightweight rectangle that can access the biggest archive of information known to man, and you just kind of gripe about some port that you can reattach if you really wanted to? Or the size of a screen? If the screen is too big, get a smaller screen!
I really do apologise if this comes off as rude, but it seems really really trivial to me. The tech world can't cater to your every whim, and if you really want it to that bad, get a phone with a headphone jack and a smaller screen.
To me, your post just gives off a really, entitled sort of vibe. Again, no offense meant towards you.
Hi
I wonder if some features of the Note 10+ could be ported to the Note 9
I believe that the features that dont depend on different or addicional hardware could be ported
E.G.
- Double tap to wake on system options (that wont mess up AoD)
- S Pen features such as Handwriting recognition or others (not the gestures part cause they depend on some addiocional hardware on the Note 9 S Pen, and also... they´re just weird *...)
- SuperSteady Video and Night Mode on front camera would be nice but i´m suspecting that those features might require different or addicional hardware
- Samsung DeX on Windows would also be nice to have...
These are a few of the features i would enjoy on my Note 9
What you guys think?
Do you believe that is better to make the upgrade?
Or you agree that some of the new features of the Note 10+ should be updated to the Note 9 from Samsung itself?
What features would you like to use on your Note 9?
RSGI
* - If you dont mind looking like Harry Potter while taking a picture outside... go ahead and upgrade
Have upgraded but I agree, a lot of the newer features are mostly software...
After the hoo-haa of the Note 10 release, probably 3 - 4 months away, the Note 9 should get a few of these features (those not dependent on the new hardware anyway)..
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.
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If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.
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This is typical of all mobile device manufacturers. As that is the only way the can make a profit. Also all modern electronics are designed to fail within 2 years.
iceepyon said:
This is typical of all mobile device manufacturers. As that is the only way the can make a profit. Also all modern electronics are designed to fail within 2 years.
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Hey, I'm with my S5 since start of 2015 and it's still working fine Gonna upgrade to the 512 N9 tho.
ultramag69 said:
Have upgraded but I agree, a lot of the newer features are mostly software...
After the hoo-haa of the Note 10 release, probably 3 - 4 months away, the Note 9 should get a few of these features (those not dependent on the new hardware anyway)..
If not, Samsung is guilty of forcing you to upgrade simply for their financial gain.
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Forcing? Seriously? What an entitled generation! Samsung pays for that software to be developed. You can pay for it too! They aren't forcing you to do anything. Profit is good. It drives innovation.
koragg97 said:
Hey, I'm with my S5 since start of 2015 and it's still working fine Gonna upgrade to the 512 N9 tho.
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My old Note 4 N910C is working perfectly as well. However recently I have been having issues getting a decent signal with HK Cell Providers, which is what forced me to upgrade to the Note 8.
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Forcing? Seriously? What an entitled generation! Samsung pays for that software to be developed. You can pay for it too! They aren't forcing you to do anything. Profit is good. It drives innovation.
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I would pay them to use the features on my Note 9.
But I will never buy a phone without headphone jack and a punchout hole.
I'd really like the screen recorder software on the note 10+ to be ported to the note 9!
I recieved my note 10+ yesterday and its really not impressing me. It feels a little off for some reason. Maybe because the power button being on the left side? I can't quite place my distaste for this phone.
I find my fingers getting in the way of the camera quite easily. And the front facing camera, not sure if I'd ever get use to that. Every time I make/recieve a call all I see is that camera about to goto my ear and it feels like my ear is about to be violated by a doctor with a telephoto stethoscope?
Enough of that though! Yes, the screen recorder definitely needs to come to the note 9.
Shad0wsabr3 said:
I'd really like the screen recorder software on the note 10+ to be ported to the note 9!
I recieved my note 10+ yesterday and its really not impressing me. It feels a little off for some reason. Maybe because the power button being on the left side? I can't quite place my distaste for this phone.
I find my fingers getting in the way of the camera quite easily. And the front facing camera, not sure if I'd ever get use to that. Every time I make/recieve a call all I see is that camera about to goto my ear and it feels like my ear is about to be violated by a doctor with a telephoto stethoscope?
Enough of that though! Yes, the screen recorder definitely needs to come to the note 9.
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You can get native screen recording with good Lock using the nice shot module.
Isn't it a bit like you would have to buy a new PC every time windows comes with a new feature or something?
Anyway, I can search handwritten notes and also extract text, so I think Note9 already has Handwriting recognition? Maybe it's build in the the Note app itself?
Chaos Engine said:
I would pay them to use the features on my Note 9.
But I will never buy a phone without headphone jack and a punchout hole.
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I agree! Neither would I. I'll use a Note9 for as long as possible, and if Samsung doesn't smarten up, this will be my last Samsung. No headphone jack was a retarded Apple idea that Samsung follows like lemmings off a cliff.
gruuvin said:
I agree! Neither would I. I'll use a Note9 for as long as possible, and if Samsung doesn't smarten up, this will be my last Samsung. No headphone jack was a retarded Apple idea that Samsung follows like lemmings off a cliff.
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To be fair Samsung has been following Apple for a long time.
dave678 said:
To be fair Samsung has been following Apple for a long time.
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Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.
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Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.
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The curved display, while a little annoying, isn't so bad, you can get used to it --- my only huge complaint about it is that it makes cases a nightmare because you can't physically reach the edges of the screen thanks to the design of most cases... (Although arguably if you don't drop the phone you really don't need a case today thanks to the super-hard gorilla glass, I'm just paranoid from so many years of " just look at the phone to hard and it'll get a scratch" --- the one and only feature that flip phones really were a better design)
Also, I think I saw somewhere that one version of the Note 10 actually loses the SD card once again in favor of dual SIMs instead... (though that could be for specific markets where it's more popular like Asia)
I agree on the headphone jack - I actually spend considerable money on good headphones (both my main PC headphones and my phone headset are Sennheiser) because you simply cannot get the same quality from Bluetooth yet (not to mention that is one more device to remember to charge --- though when/if they could get charging as quick as the Spen I'd forgive that, I'd even give up longer listening times if I could just hold the headphones against the back of the device for 30 seconds to get an hour of listening time)
And here's a disturbing thought --- Is the removal of the headphone jack just a step towards removing ALL wired peripheral support? I mean we have wireless charging now, and wireless headphones/headsets, not to mention wireless keyboards/mouse and wireless displays (albeit with slow refresh time and/or high lag) so arguably they could "justify" removing the USB port as well to claim "now it's 100% sealed so it's more waterproof!" while, in reality, making it that much harder to root the phone (and conveniently making wireless peripherals "only work best with Samsung brands" like the Samsung's wireless earbuds)?
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Yep. No replaceable battery. No sdcard. But they brought back the sdcard, then brought in the dumb curved edges. Removing the headphone jack goes too far. I won't buy another Samsung if I cannot connect my headphones.
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Move on, who uses wired headphones anyway? It is more and more as cliche.
Burgscheinkerkdeiktraast said:
Move on, who uses wired headphones anyway? It is more and more as cliche.
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Lots of people use wired headphones. And lots of people are not buying devices because they lack a 3m5mm audio jack.
But, Go on and toe the line for device manufactures though, who are simply doing this the cut costs and make waterproof certification easier.
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Lots of people use wired headphones. And lots of people are not buying devices because they lack a 3m5mm audio jack.
But, Go on and toe the line for device manufactures though, who are simply doing this the cut costs and make waterproof certification easier.
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Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...
Jammol said:
Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...
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OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.
Jammol said:
Well it's not like if technology shouldn't advance. I'm not saying the Jack has to go right now, but at some point it will need to. Could you imagine if digital cameras today still required a roll of film to use in some way?
Now instead of buying a roll of film, you buy an sdcard. Instead of buying wires, you buy wireless. Instead of using fax, you can now email.
All advances my friends, all advances. And yes a company has to cut cost because....
Say it with me...
"All businesses are in the business of making money!"
Hey look at it this way though. At least the phone comes with wireless Airbuds that IT can charge. Now that's tech! I can't charge any other damn thing in my house without plugging it in, yet that thing can charge music transporters?!
Think about that for a second...
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How idiodic to compare going from film to SD cards.. a clear improvement,both in terms of speed and reusability.
While on the other hand going from wired headphones with no audio quality loss,no batteries to recharge, and most importantly, NO BATTERIES TO RECHARGE.
Wireless headphones are useless for many people, including those who ride streetbikes and put headphones I. While riding. Good luck getting wireless headphones to fit under a helmet without turning your ears Into Swiss cheese, and hopefully you don't go out for more than 4 hours at a time, otherwise, no music 4 u!
It's not an "advancement". You don't need to remove the headphone jack to have the ability to use wireless headphones.
Say it with me one more time.... The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack is just a way for companies to cut costs and make waterproof certification easier. It has nothing to do with "technology advancing". It's the same reason that only the note 4 had a IR blaster and then they stopped that. It was an incredibly useful feature that was cut to make more $$$. Samsung is doing it's best to put me on a xaomi or huwaie phone. Currently they seem to be the best phones on the market when you look at features vs price.
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dave678 said:
OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.
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But, but, my phone has a 98% screen to bezel ratio! It's certainly better!
dave678 said:
OEM's put headphone jacks on phones back in the days of the flip phone. Now everyone is just copying Apple becasue it's so trendy. The jack will never be obsolete lol. Sure, IR and a jack connector are “old tech”. The launch date of the tech is not the relevant factor. What matters is whether these technologies remain in installed use. Most PA systems, projectors, TVs, air cons etc installed and in use in hotels, meeting rooms, schools, clubs and so on use these technologies.
So if you want to interface with them, you need those technologies.
I just love it when all these bleeding edge people with their bleeding edge gizmos discover that it takes an old fuddy-duddy with a proper ‘workhorse’ phone to be able to get the projector switched on before business can commence.
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Bober_is_a_troll said:
How idiodic to compare going from film to SD cards.. a clear improvement,both in terms of speed and reusability.
While on the other hand going from wired headphones with no audio quality loss,no batteries to recharge, and most importantly, NO BATTERIES TO RECHARGE.
Wireless headphones are useless for many people, including those who ride streetbikes and put headphones I. While riding. Good luck getting wireless headphones to fit under a helmet without turning your ears Into Swiss cheese, and hopefully you don't go out for more than 4 hours at a time, otherwise, no music 4 u!
It's not an "advancement". You don't need to remove the headphone jack to have the ability to use wireless headphones.
Say it with me one more time.... The lack of the 3.5mm headphone jack is just a way for companies to cut costs and make waterproof certification easier. It has nothing to do with "technology advancing". It's the same reason that only the note 4 had a IR blaster and then they stopped that. It was an incredibly useful feature that was cut to make more $$$. Samsung is doing it's best to put me on a xaomi or huwaie phone. Currently they seem to be the best phones on the market when you look at features vs price.
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But, but, my phone has a 98% screen to bezel ratio! It's certainly better!
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Why do I get the idea that neither of you took my post for the sarcasm sections that it had.??? Well it is somewhat difficult to portray over text with giveaways. ?
Well I guess I have to be serious about my post then.
First guy, Dave, cool man, yes those technologies are everywhere, the systems advanced to where they got so that they can be utilized everywhere. Wireless tech is advancing as well. BMW has a car that can be charged wirelessly. Think of all the other tech that could be charged wirelessly in the future. Or what other advancements they can make based off that tech. Wait, why am I even talking about this? None of the TVs in my house have RGB connectors, and they said that's the best visual experience we could get. Now we have wireless 4k.
As for the troll guy, I am starting to think you might be the troll. Or you're just really hotheaded. You started your reply with calling my comparison idiotic. And you want an intelligent response from people? Nowhere in my post did I use inflamatory or disrespectful language, but in this one you'll get the feeling.
The point of my post was to show a logical reason for killing the headphone Jack. I even stated it shouldn't be killed right now, but no, you decided to skip over that first opening slice. I went on to agree with you on the fact that yes, they are doing it to cut cost. Hence "all businesses are in the business of making money!" Cause you know, people like money and companies have people in them. A shareholder's goal is to make as much money as possible so that the company keeps making money. Yes cut costs to save money. Hey look I was still agreeing with you.
You all sound like a bunch of old folks who don't like change. If you don't like the direction a company is going, buy some shares and be on the board of decision makers. If not, don't buy their devices. Or....go make your own.
Things will change with or without you, so either accept it or continue to feel bitter about old tech, yes OLD TECH, I SAID IT!!!
I need to stay off the internet at night. I seem to get into some weird stuff.
By the way, while y'all are *****ing about the 3.5mm headphone jack and missing it oh so much, Flynt Michigan STILL doesn't have clean water fam. STILL!??
TALK ABOUT LACK OF ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY!