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Forgive me for cross-posting, BUT: it seems this is a REAL big issue for many users...
We're looking for a way (=tool/app) to disable GPRS data only in order to avoid roaming data connection costs (from 0,50 up to 2,00 euros/MB) while keeping the chance to connect to GSM networks (if needed) for roaming calls.
If anyone will pop out with a working solution for that issue, there's already a number of us ready to donate in order to contribute/reward the author(s)!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419804
Why not just force it to 3G only?
NuShrike said:
Why not just force it to 3G only?
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You're right (I was editing my original message), but it would be desirable to keep the chance to connect to GSM networks (if needed) for roaming calls otherwise we loose connection and voice calls functionality in areas serviced by TIM with which H3G has a roaming agreement...
Should not be a big issue to make something like that, however...
Why wouldn't HSDPA be available while roaming? I have HSDPA here while roaming as well... :/
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Why wouldn't HSDPA be available while roaming? I have HSDPA here while roaming as well... :/
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It very much depends on operators' agreements!
In Italy H3G has a "national" roaming agreement with TIM: whenever an H3G customer is out of H3G signal coverge, the phone is allowed to switch to the TIM network, BUT the only data connection available is GPRS, not UMTS/HSDPA!!!
This causes our phone bills get bigger and bigger at an incredible speed...
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This causes our phone bills get bigger and bigger at an incredible speed...
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That's the first time I think GPRS has been referenced to as 'incredible speed'
Point taken, though.
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That's the first time I think GPRS has been referenced to as 'incredible speed'
Point taken, though.
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LOL
Tis a sad but true point
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That's the first time I think GPRS has been referenced to as 'incredible speed'
Point taken, though.
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Guys,
the "incredible speed" is related to how fast the bill grows, not to the GPRS data connection speed...!
UP!.......
I recently installed the eOS 4.888.FiRe ROM on my Tilt and it has been working nicely. I noticed some additional settings that weren't available to me when I was using the stock HTC ROM. What is "HSDPA" and "AGPS"? And will it cost me to leave these turned on? I notice when I turn on HSDPA, I see a an "H" icon at the top rather than the usual "3G" icon.
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I recently installed the eOS 4.888.FiRe ROM on my Tilt and it has been working nicely. I noticed some additional settings that weren't available to me when I was using the stock HTC ROM. What is "HSDPA" and "AGPS"? And will it cost me to leave these turned on? I notice when I turn on HSDPA, I see a an "H" icon at the top rather than the usual "3G" icon.
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what is google???
anyways simple answer:
hsdpa is a form of data connection which is faster than 3g.
agps stands for assisted gps. it is same as normal gps except that agps uses a server to cut down on the time to requires to get ur location using gps.
both won't cost u anything extra but ur carrier does need to support them for u to be able to use.
Thank you. I just wanted to know if they both won't cost me anything extra. You never know these days with Cellphone companies. I turned on both HSDPA and AGPS. So far my calls have been going through just fine and my navigation software continues to function normally.
How do I know if my carrier (AT&T) supports HSDPA and AGPS? I hate having to call customer service to ask so I'd rather ask here.
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Thank you. I just wanted to know if they both won't cost me anything extra. You never know these days with Cellphone companies. I turned on both HSDPA and AGPS. So far my calls have been going through just fine and my navigation software continues to function normally.
How do I know if my carrier (AT&T) supports HSDPA and AGPS? I hate having to call customer service to ask so I'd rather ask here.
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I used KaiserTweak to set my phone to HSDPA. I am an AT&T user. It's worked fine. No additional charges. I don't use AGPS so I can't respond to that part of your question.
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I used KaiserTweak to set my phone to HSDPA. I am an AT&T user. It's worked fine. No additional charges. I don't use AGPS so I can't respond to that part of your question.
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Thanks for your response. I just use it for voice calls anyway. Do you see any improvements? Or is it specifically if you subscribe to a data plan? And do you also see an "H" icon at the top rather than a "3G" icon?
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Thanks for your response. I just use it for voice calls anyway. Do you see any improvements? Or is it specifically if you subscribe to a data plan? And do you also see an "H" icon at the top rather than a "3G" icon?
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HSDPA has to do with you data connection, so unless you have a data plan you really won’t see the benefit.
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what is google???
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Google
n. company that was founded in 1998 at Stanford University by Larry Page and Sergey Brin and serves as a search engine on the Internet
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v. (Computers) search for data on the Web using the search mechanism Google; search on the Internet for particulars relating to new or likely to be girlfriend or boyfriend
HSDPA doesn't cost anything to activate, but if you are on a restrictive tariff it is a lot easier to run up over usage charges.
In the UK you need to usually be paying at least £30 a month to have the unlimited mobile broadband and e-mail. I would personally check your contract before you let the HSDPA run loose.
Rob
As mentioned multiple times, neither HSDPA or AGPS will cost you anything. You will know if you are in an area that has HSDPA because of the H icon. If it goes back to 3G then ATT does not have HSDPA in that area. If it goes to E then you are back on Edge. As also was mentioned, neither of these have any impact on your phone calls. HDSPA = Data and AGPS = using the cell towers or the internet to help you lock on your GPS location quicker.
And yes, if you had used google to search for this you would have probably got a better explanation in a less amount of time.
Is there a way to force HSDPA? I have it enabled (using advance config) & rarely does it connect to it, uses Edge majority of the time.
if the place you are present have poor hsdpa support it
roam to other network types
would you rather have it loose connection ?
+1 on what Rudegar sad, also its BTS who decide for you when HSDPA should kick in. If you are in area you will recieve.
So theres no way to force the connection?
I had three bars earlier when connection & worked awsome, now Im on edge & fights to get 10kbps down. Ive noticed this in the cities Im in often like Roanoke,VA, Atlanta, Montgomery,AL, Virginia Beach, Detroit.
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So theres no way to force the connection?
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It's just like if you have a 56 kbps modem - remember those antiques from only 10 years ago - there's no way to force a higher connection speed without unreliability and connection drops coming into the equation. Maybe it's time to trial another network (perhaps with a pay as you go sim) and see how their offerings compare.
Where in Va Beach? I live in Va Beach and get HSDPA pretty much everywhere i go.
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Where in Va Beach? I live in Va Beach and get HSDPA pretty much everywhere i go.
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Like I stated above its the base station who opens up for you when you download or stream. You are not in HSDPA constantly as it does not enable until you do the above.
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Like I stated above its the base station who opens up for you when you download or stream. You are not in HSDPA constantly as it does not enable until you do the above.
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]I think that'll be very network provider dependent because where I live its always HSDPA irrespective of whether a data connection is present. Depending where I travel to, I have had cases where the connection drops to 3G but then as soon as I initiate a data connection it jumps up to H and I've had further cases where it's E or G and a data connection makes no difference.
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]I think that'll be very network provider dependent because where I live its always HSDPA irrespective of whether a data connection is present. Depending where I travel to, I have had cases where the connection drops to 3G but then as soon as I initiate a data connection it jumps up to H and I've had further cases where it's E or G and a data connection makes no difference.
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Fast packet scheduling
The HS-DSCH downlink channel is shared between users using channel-dependent scheduling to make the best use of available radio conditions. Each user device periodically transmits an indication of the downlink signal quality, as often as 500 times per second. Using this information from all devices, the base station decides which users will be sent data on the next 2 ms frame and how much data should be sent for each user. More data can be sent to users which report high downlink signal quality.
The amount of the channelisation code tree, and thus network bandwidth, allocated to HSDPA users is determined by the network. The allocation is "semi-static" in that it can be modified while the network is operating, but not on a frame-by-frame basis. This allocation represents a trade-off between bandwidth allocated for HSDPA users, versus that for voice and non-HSDPA data users. The allocation is in units of channelisation codes for Spreading Factor 16, of which 16 exist and up to 15 can be allocated to HSDPA. When the base station decides which users will receive data on the next frame, it also decides which channelisation codes will be used for each user. This information is sent to the user devices over one or more HSDPA "scheduling channels"; these channels are not part of the HSDPA allocation previously mentioned, but are allocated separately. Thus, for a given 2 ms frame, data may be sent to a number of users simultaneously, using different channelisation codes. The maximum number of users to receive data on a given 2 ms frame is determined by the number of allocated channelisation codes. By contrast, in CDMA2000 1xEV-DO, data is sent to only one user at a time.
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I was actually looking at that page a few days ago with regards to speeds but it doesn't change the fact that in some locations my phone shows the H icon when there isn't even a hint of a data connection present and no voice call taking place at the time either. Under such circumstances, it could have quite easily dropped back to a 3G icon until HSDPA is needed but it nearly always doesn't. The only place I've found it does work like this, interestingly enough, is when I'm going past the O2 UK HQ beside Slough train station where it will drop back to 3 G unless a data connection is in place.
When I was using Vodafone UK, this did not happen in the same loacation (never tested for this near their HQ out at Newbury) but again I experienced many cases where the H icon was shown on the phone but not needed. Thats why I've mentioned it's network dependant. I take your point that the specs dictate it should work otherwise but in my case thats not played out to be how it's gone.
If you want I can make your icon show a Q or Z for that matter, 3G as ONE a connection is a misleading term as it describes many technologies. Normal HSDPA suppose to show H when used and 3G idling. Remember the 6.1 ROM`s who displayed H all the time HSDPA or not? If you read up on wiki you will understand what I sad about HSDPA in earlier post. You cant draw conclusions based on what icon your phone is showing as the HSDPA technology will work as it always has.
So as long you do not stream/call of use for HSDPA you will not stay in it. So if you going to force it to stay in HSDPA you need to constant stream, an idle HSDPA connection swich over to 3g and back once called upon. So correct me if I am wrong here ... And I preferred documented. The only thing that is provider dependent here are if they support it and the coverage of it. The technology which I was talking about has nothing to do whit just that.
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I was actually looking at that page a few days ago with regards to speeds but it doesn't change the fact that in some locations my phone shows the H icon when there isn't even a hint of a data connection present and no voice call taking place at the time either. Under such circumstances, it could have quite easily dropped back to a 3G icon until HSDPA is needed but it nearly always doesn't. The only place I've found it does work like this, interestingly enough, is when I'm going past the O2 UK HQ beside Slough train station where it will drop back to 3 G unless a data connection is in place.
When I was using Vodafone UK, this did not happen in the same loacation (never tested for this near their HQ out at Newbury) but again I experienced many cases where the H icon was shown on the phone but not needed. Thats why I've mentioned it's network dependant. I take your point that the specs dictate it should work otherwise but in my case thats not played out to be how it's gone.
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You cant draw conclusions based on what icon your phone is showing as the HSDPA technology will work as it always has.
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Why would my phone lie to me like that given (in the same locations) it reliably and correctly detects that it is in 3G and then when a data connection is initiated bumps up to H. There is no doubt to me that it is reliably detecting the connection type as it does this every time I travel through Slough on the train if I initiate a data connection. Similarly it seems as if the H, 3G, G and even E, do correctly display under the right circumstances. Again, I've no dobt about the HSDPA specs and how it should work, I'm just saying in reality with my HTC Official ROM'd phone (both using my current setup and previously WM 6.1), it's behaved that way in practice.
I think the OP wants the same sort of performance and indications from his phone that I'm getting from mine and I know no way to 'force' an HSDPA connection and get appropriate speeds if the network infrastructure and signal strenth aren't up to the task. On the other hand there maybe another network that operates much better in a given area which will provide whats required and there's little cost in doing some 'trialling' of competing networks in the areas involved.
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You cant draw conclusions based on what icon your phone is showing as the HSDPA technology will work as it always has.
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Why would my phone lie to me like that given.........
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Listen mate, I dont know why you want to argue or what you want to argue about???? Twisting and turning my answers are not going to do the trick here, OP asked about forcing he`s device in HSDPA, I answered that it would not work cause HSDPA does not work like that. Then you come in and start talking about something completely else and nagging on my answer?? I do not care what your phone shows and how it work in local area`s nearby you as it has nothing whit my answer or on topic IMO to do.
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Like I stated above its the base station who opens up for you when you download or stream. You are not in HSDPA constantly as it does not enable until you do the above.
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]I think that'll be very network provider dependent because where I live its always HSDPA irrespective of whether a data connection is present. Depending where I travel to, I have had cases where the connection drops to 3G but then as soon as I initiate a data connection it jumps up to H and I've had further cases where it's E or G and a data connection makes no difference.
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This comment triggered it all, if I had knew that you would not be interested in my answers on your comment I would not have taken the time to explain about HSDPA.
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I know no way to 'force' an HSDPA connection
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Then what do you argue about here? I am not going to comment this further as what ever I say does not get to you and there is nothing to more discuss.
Nothing personal
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Listen mate, I dont know why you want to argue or what you want to argue about???? Twisting and turning my answers are not going to do the trick here, OP asked about forcing he`s device in HSDPA, I answered that it would not work cause HSDPA does not work like that.
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There's no need to bring out the 'listen mate' with multiple questionmarks on the end. I do listen where I think something is clear and correct. If I think there's more to an issue, I chime in. In response to your link to that wikipedia page which outlines how it should work (in an ideal world), I'm telling you that some networks do not appear to implement things according to the official specs so it won't necessarily behave that way. My examples based from usage/observations in many different locations around the UK prove that point and as I mentioned that was also the case when I was with Vodafone here so that's all, no more, no less and no intention to offend.
Then you come in and start talking about something completely else and nagging on my answer?? I do not care what your phone shows and how it work in local area`s nearby you as it has nothing whit my answer or on topic IMO to do.
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There's those multiple questionmarks again, calm down, I'm not having a go at you. I think it's best for the OP to make that determination whether my comments are relevant as we both replied in order to try and help that person out. You with some might say the 'official' line and me with the 'in practice' line. In the end we agree the answer as to what can be done to force HSDPA is the same ie nothing. I added the possibility that if better performance is saught, a network change may provide this.
This comment triggered it all, if I had knew that you would not be interested in my answers on your comment I would not have taken the time to explain about HSDPA.
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I was interested all right, I felt your original answer and the subsequent wikipedia link didn't paint the whole picture so that's why I came in. I trust that you will eventually understand and accept that. Remember, I'm not having a go at you
Hey guys,
I was wondering, which one of the different US providers would you recommend to use with an imported unlocked diamond2?
I'm currently with AT&T, and I'm having a lot of issues to connect to MediaNet... For some unknown reason, the phone looses its connection:
- every single time after either a reboot or using wifi
- on time to time, randomly without any specific reason
My main concern being: it's a pain to get it back! It takes several reboot and retry to re-setup the data connection.
I was wondering if some of you have actually experience better result with other provider or even with AT&T... (note: i m on a pay-as-you-go plan for phone and data)
Thanks,
Kandjar
I, too, am using Diamond2 with ATT and I'm ok with it. Granted, I've given up trying to use MediaNet on this phone but not really missing it.
I'm on T-mobile with the $5.99 unlimited data (T-Mobile Web). It's now $9.99 Web2Go if you are starting a new contract with limited data. Everything is working fine and the other day I got my email working on the diamond2 through the $5.99 plan.
No connection problems at all.
Same here with T-Mobile and the T-Zones plan, my call quality is pretty good with no drops & edge has descent speeds.
Wow, ok, once my pay-as-you-go expired, I'll definitively check T-Mobile!
AT&T data plan is slow and not very stable for me...
The main reason I need it is: mails!
I got so addicted to the 'read mail everywhere' plan, it's scary... When it doesn't work, it's bugging the heck out of me
I found in the 'phone setting' that it's possible to change the baseband; so instead of having them set to 'auto', I'm trying to force them to be:
'gsm' and '1900+850' to see if there is any improvements.
In any case T-Mobile does sound a lot cheaper...
I m currently paying $100 for 400 minutes (good for a year) and $20/month for 100MB... That's about $30/months.
Thanks for the replies
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Same here with T-Mobile and the T-Zones plan, my call quality is pretty good with no drops & edge has descent speeds.
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Edge on T-mo has really good speeds here in CO. That's why I don't mind not having 3G. Soon enough manufacturers will be making quadband 3g handsets. I hope.
Any who kandjar if you need help with the data settings if and when you switch to T-mo just post up. If you search google for T-mobile wireless configurator you can get the settings by selecting any WinMo phone in the list ut you have to change some things.
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Disregard that last part about the configurator. The D2 finds the settings automagically for you. But you still have to change 1 or 2 things so it'll work.
That's cool, thanks!
By the way: does the youtube app work with T-Mobile?
It doesn't seem to work at all with AT&T...
Or does it only work with 3g?
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That's cool, thanks!
By the way: does the youtube app work with T-Mobile?
It doesn't seem to work at all with AT&T...
Or does it only work with 3g?
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Youtube worked on my Diamond2 with ATT. I don't have a data package with ATT, but I have wifi in my complex and I can watch Youtube on the Wifi.
As well as sending/receiving emails.
True, I should have been a bit more explicit..
I also managed to get it to work through wifi...
I m just wondering if this work with data plan (through medianet ...)
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True, I should have been a bit more explicit..
I also managed to get it to work through wifi...
I m just wondering if this work with data plan (through medianet ...)
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Yes it works fine on T-mobile edge. Maybe AT&T edge is a bit slow? IDK? This is on T-zones might I add. Not T-mobiles full web service. Who needs that with opera available?
My wife has poor service at her work and it seems that wifi calling/texting is blocked through the network there as it works everywhere else. The IT guy is a **** and no help. The texting part is more important., but is there a way to change the outgoing port to another that may be unblocked? I'm newer to tmobile so I'm not familiar with exactly how it works yet. I believe she is getting an error reg99 when she is on the network there. Any help or advice is much appreciated since I'm my household IT guy and I'm tired of hearing about it!
You can't do anything to change the port.
Does her phone have coverage if she leaves it in her car? She could do that and use MightyText on her desktop (if not blocked by dickish IT guy) to enable text messaging.
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My wife has poor service at her work and it seems that wifi calling/texting is blocked through the network there as it works everywhere else. The IT guy is a **** and no help. The texting part is more important., but is there a way to change the outgoing port to another that may be unblocked? I'm newer to tmobile so I'm not familiar with exactly how it works yet. I believe she is getting an error reg99 when she is on the network there. Any help or advice is much appreciated since I'm my household IT guy and I'm tired of hearing about it!
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Try this
http://www.techooligan.com/2014/07/how-to-fix-reg99-unable-to-connect.html?m=1
BAD ASS NOTE 4 + BAD ASS GEAR S
I wouldn't recommend that procedure seeing as your wifi calling works at other locations.
Yea I tried that. The odd thing is works at home so it almost has to be a work/network issue. I'm confused on why it would be a reg99 error though. I belive thats related to 911 address issues. Tmobile has sent 2 updates to her sim card but no change.
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I wouldn't recommend that procedure seeing as your wifi calling works at other locations.
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I actually started with that process, and Tmobile updated her sim, but same thing. I was hoping there was a APN change or something to change the outgoing direction. I was unaware that wifi texting uses specific ports or maybe they block all uncommon ports on their network. It sucks cause she had a paid for unlocked ATT s4 but the service was crappy. We upgraded for the wifi calling feature and it still doesnt work. I appreciate the help.
It's take your signal booster to work day.
Have her call Tmobile and get one.
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"My signals no good."
Plug it in out of site. "Behind a plant."
Have her not log into the WiFi at work.
Installing outside (non-corporate) equipment at a lot of companies is a major NON and usually grounds for a trip to HR.
Cellular repeater?
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Cellular repeater?
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Thats an idea. They are about 100 bucks right? Passing it by HR first is definitely a good idea. Its a shame there are so many road blocks for this to work. In this case it is not necessarily Tmobiles fault. The tools are there to overcome the issue. For what its worth, I'll dig deep into options and report back in case someone else has this issue. Thanks
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Thats an idea. They are about 100 bucks right? Passing it by HR first is definitely a good idea. Its a shame there are so many road blocks for this to work. In this case it is not necessarily Tmobiles fault. The tools are there to overcome the issue. For what its worth, I'll dig deep into options and report back in case someone else has this issue. Thanks
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You don't pay for the LTE booster, you just pay a $25 deposit until you return it and they will give it back to you. If you break it or damage it, you will pay about $100+
I have one in my room, I get full bar in my living room and 10-20 mbps but in my room I get 0 signal (they said my room is at the edge of the lte tower and edge of a 2g tower which sucks) So I tried the wifi calling router they have, didn't do any better than my regular router because my room is far from it, so I returned it.
Now that I have an LTE booster, it helped it a lot. Some days I get full LTE bars and 10mbps which is rare, most of the time it shows full LTE signal and 1.20 to 1.50 mbps, sometimes it gives me a 4g signal with slow speeds.
At the end of the day, it's t mobiles network that is the problem (I can't complain because my sister is paying for my bill and paying for my Note 4) Even with wifi calling, I would get voicemails and find out someone called me and my phone didn't even ring or give a notification. Same with an LTE booster, T mobile has great service outside the house but the only problem I have is inside buildings
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You don't pay for the LTE booster, you just pay a $25 deposit until you return it and they will give it back to you. If you break it or damage it, you will pay about $100+
I have one in my room, I get full bar in my living room and 10-20 mbps but in my room I get 0 signal (they said my room is at the edge of the lte tower and edge of a 2g tower which sucks) So I tried the wifi calling router they have, didn't do any better than my regular router because my room is far from it, so I returned it.
Now that I have an LTE booster, it helped it a lot. Some days I get full LTE bars and 10mbps which is rare, most of the time it shows full LTE signal and 1.20 to 1.50 mbps, sometimes it gives me a 4g signal with slow speeds.
At the end of the day, it's t mobiles network that is the problem (I can't complain because my sister is paying for my bill and paying for my Note 4) Even with wifi calling, I would get voicemails and find out someone called me and my phone didn't even ring or give a notification. Same with an LTE booster, T mobile has great service outside the house but the only problem I have is inside buildings
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Thats a great idea. I will look into that. Thank you.
I wonder if would be possible to set google voice account and send messages to that number (google voice) while she is on wifi.
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Lol WiFi at work does mean that all of data is potentially able to be packet sniffed, I.T. dept love to packet capture, lol its their job. Have you tried VPN if the work network would allow?
TechnRom said:
Lol WiFi at work does mean that all of data is potentially able to be packet sniffed, I.T. dept love to packet capture, lol its their job. Have you tried VPN if the work network would allow?
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I had considered that but I'm not really familiar with enough. I didn't know if it would work. Doesn't it also slow down the internet speeds depending on the service? If her work was close enough I would try one of the network sniffer apps to see how things were working but I'm not even sure yet what ports are strictly for wifi texts and how it differs from calling.
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I wonder if would be possible to set google voice account and send messages to that number (google voice) while she is on wifi.
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We do just gmail eachother if its important, but texts from other people is the concern. If she doesn't go out for lunch, when she leaves its a incoming text explosion sometimes. Rarely is it an important text but you never know.
Like I said give a try to google voice. When using google voice you can send and receive texts on your desktop too.
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