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Hi everyone. I have created a website with alot of the latest ROMS from developers of xda-developers.com . I have done it in appreciaton of the developers out there who give us the opportunity to make a good device into a great device. I don't want any donations from anyone because this is just my little contribution to xda-developers.
The site is http://www.diamond-dazz.com and it accepts multiple connections from download managers and seems to be a faster alternative to RapidShare.
If any developers wish me to host some of there files please feel free to contact at [email protected] and I will endevour to upload them to my website.
Cheers
Darren
Nice initiative!
If you develop this into a ROM Encyclopedia, I'll sticky it!
This should serve as an example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1951469&postcount=3
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Nice initiative!
If you develop this into a ROM Encyclopedia, I'll sticky it!
This should serve as an example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1951469&postcount=3
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I wish I knew how to create a web encyclopedia. I would do it in a flash but because of my extremely poor HTML skills I don't think I will be able to do it. I will try and learn anyway. But in the mean time I will try and retreive all the Cooked Roms out there so people can download it fast.
Cheers
Darren
dazz1975 said:
I wish I knew how to create a web encyclopedia. I would do it in a flash but because of my extremely poor HTML skills I don't think I will be able to do it. I will try and learn anyway. But in the mean time I will try and retreive all the Cooked Roms out there so people can download it fast.
Cheers
Darren
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If you want to make a web based reference, good idea!
But I was more likereferring to having the reference here, in your first post, as the one I gave you as example!
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If you want to make a web based reference, good idea!
But I was more likereferring to having the reference here, in your first post, as the one I gave you as example!
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No worries. I will give it a go tommorrow. I have got alot more researching to do and hopefully I will get a decent compliment of developers listed.
Thanks for the knudge in the right direction tnyynt. It gives me something to aim for.
Cheers
Darren
What about using the MediaWiki Software for your encyclopedia? Sounds like a viable way to do things - and all you need is a MySQL DB and a fairly recent PHP installation which pretty much any hosting service will offer?
Ok, untill thing start going smooth and building something, I'm moving this to Diamond general.
PM me if it's ready and you want it back here!
I think you know where it's all about:
Rom bribe-gate!
I think theres something on here that must not see daylight:
Theres a guy named RUFFRUFF who claimes to be bribed by someone to not share the roms of the td2 and the tp2.
And theres someone who deletes all posts from everyone who share those roms, and someone whos deleting the evidence that someone gets bribed.
There must be a mod who's knwing from this and deletes all threads(no-one can do that but a mod)
And I and many with me have a clue:
This is a post from me in another thread:
Yes i noticed it too: it seems like the guy Ruffruff is bribed by someone.
And dutty is the only one with this roms right now... pretty strange that its dutty who's deleting all the other posts here with those roms...
And check this:
this i found in the thank you part on dutty rom page:
As always I want to just say thanks to XDA-Developers and everyone who has contributed my whole existing of start making ROMS. Thanks goes to as follows;
Almighty God for letting me live to see a new morning when I wake up.
Alltheway for been a good friend since Kaiser days.
Ameet for been a good friend.
Bepe for new Platform Builder, thanks much BRO.
Boz for been a good friend and a wonderful beta tester on my previous device.
Chainfire for CFC compression Tool.
Farchid for his great friendship and helping me out with cabs.
GSLEON for been a good friend.
Jocky for been a good friend and companion and his works with his HARDPL for diamond etc.
Laurentius for his friendship and his dedication to the community
Olinex for HardSPL.
P1tater a long time friend.
RufRuf for been a good friend and his honesty.
Rzan a great friend and a long time bugging me for a touch pro ROM
Tnyynt for a wonderful friend and trustworthy companion, also thanks for his SD tune up cab.
Vincent for been more than a great friend and my webmaster.
Xmoo and others who contributed in getting me a X1 which also new ROM is coming soon.
And all XDA members and contributors who have made this place a great place to hang out and have fun with our devices, and all others who have beta tested my previous ROMs and those who have supported me. Please forgive me if I left out some important names but I'm not have a good memory.
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For me this a a hard fact as we can see in the google cache///
Please mods do something about this crap!!
The first time i was getting on xda there was a "share all, conquer all mentality".
I left a year ago with the complaint that every cook closes up their roms so noone can dump it, and asks much money with it.
Now i come back and someguy is paying gusy for not share the roms so he's benefitting from it... Strange behaviour that hurt me in my xda heart!
Do something about it, and ban the guys who **** our community up!
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U asked for evidences. Arent the evidences enough you SEE ON FIRST POST OF THIS THREAD ? yes DUTTY deletes posts where roms are shared. WHAT OTHER EVIDENCE YOU WANT ?
He publicly said on this forum he did it (ON REQUEST) but we dont care if a source gets deleted on request or not.
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what the hell is going on here!!????
Gr. Bram
Ps. If i get banned by a strange reason, ill create a new account and post this untill someone picks this up and do something about it!
The deleting mod is duttythroy
Knowledge has value only when shared.
amazing ...
what the hell Oo is going on??
Iss that True ?!
NOW Old spirit of xda (sharing fol all people) is dead!
PLEASE GO BACK!
That is strange indeed.
,,,, I thought the XDA community was built on sharing, This should be discouraged heartily
sadness and delusion !
no words
This topic is getting really interesting by the hour...
Easy, easy....
Sharing isn't dead, may be is sleeping in someone, but 99% of the members ARE sharing knowledge here.
Mods are evaluating the facts and if it will be possible (and if something was accidentally deleted) things will be restored but the main words are easy, calm down.
Even MODs are people (unbelievable uh?) we have jobs, families to feed, some funny activities apart from XDA DEVs activities, and we need some time to evaluate the facts, discuss and share ideas when something big happened.
Believe me, the strongest feeling in our group is KNOWLEDGE SHARING, together with BUILDING A NICE PLACE TO STAY.
Give us some time, enjoy what you have here we are here to improve and help this unique place!
... and it'll lead nowhere but to the bashing of others. Tempaorarily closing down the thread to prevent any further misassumptions that we're not sure of.
The Wingster: Access to all of the best ROMs, Programs, and Hacks for your T-Mobile Wing
As many of you already know, I created a website called "The Wingster", which is dedicated to everything for the Touch Pro 2 and T-Mobile Wing!
ROMs - There are a lot of ROMs out there, and since the cooks are busy creating newer versions, they don't always have time to make a nice detailed description page about their ROM. So I do it for them! Don't spend all of your time digging through a lengthy thread, if there was anything important that happened, it will be on The Wingster!
Programs - All programs are tested for compatibility with the Touch Pro 2, any bugs or issues are reported, screenshots are created, features are listed, and more. I'm making all the apps on XDA accessable by the common user!
More - The Wingster is the place for everything Touch Pro 2. If anything important happens about the phone, I'll be sure to tell everyone.
Enjoy using The Wingster!
And donations are always welcome! I've gotta pay $15 a year for the awesome website domain, so you've all got about 10 months to come up with $15 so we can keep the site! Just kiddin, I can pay that myself, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to. So yea, send the very optional donations via Pay Pal, here: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=5401195 (Remember, your cooks need tips, so save some for them too)
I hope I've helped all of you! And if anyone cannot or doesn't feel like donating with money, a nice reply saying how I helped you is always welcome! Just knowing that I'm helping everyone here makes me even more motivated to make the site better!
Thanks everyone, and thanks to Ivan especially, his awesome ROMs inspired me to make The Wingster.
I'm willing to help anyone here, so we can use this thread for troubleshooting too. But I created this thread so that new users would be able to find a link to the location that holds most of the ROM's for the Touch Pro 2, since digging through threads can be exhausting. I'm not dissin XDA I'm just helping it out.
I stopped watching TV because of all the infomercials...
kable said:
I stopped watching TV because of all the infomercials...
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Lol, what?
As I said, I posted this here, in ROM Development, because it's very related to ROM's. Most ROM's are listed on The Wingster, so users can find and locate the ROM's there. Just like how other threads (for different phones) may have a thread that keeps track of all of the ROM's that are made for the phone, well, this is that thread, except it just links to The Wingster, because that serves the purpose!
It helps to eliminate people asking, where can I find this ROM, etc. Everything's organized by operating system...etc. XDA is great, but some of the ROM threads can be tough to find, because they're not all on the first page, etc. I'm just facilitating the proccess!
You get it? Or did you not even want a detailed response, and I went over the top?
Night,
Andrew
(I used "etc" a lot in that paragraph, lol)
I think wingster is a good idea, also for the chefs. Im offering you free webhosting for it. If your interested, just pm me mate.
Greets,
Dennis
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I stopped watching TV because of all the infomercials...
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Oooooooo.... You gonna take that Ace???
Just kidding! LOL.
All jokes aside, there have been many a cab/info and such found on Wingster
i would like to say thanks for the website. it was the first site i went to and then i realized i had an account here because of my shadow. the organization of the roms and apps are unparalled as well as useful. keep up the good work.
humm, no dotcompt DeepShining Rom
He cant do everything!!!
It is a very helpful website.
I have been using thewingster.com for several months now and found it extremely easy and useful. Thanks for your time and effort keeping it updated.
empds said:
humm, no dotcompt DeepShining Rom
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I'll add that ROM soon. I'm sorry I haven't been around here lately, I've been figuring stuff out in my life, and all is well now!
I missed the forums Thanks to all the amazing chefs that work every day cooking the ROM's we live by!
ace10134 said:
I'll add that ROM soon. I'm sorry I haven't been around here lately, I've been figuring stuff out in my life, and all is well now!
I missed the forums Thanks to all the amazing chefs that work every day cooking the ROM's we live by!
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Noticed you weren't around as much in the ENRG thread.
ace10134 said:
I'll add that ROM soon. I'm sorry I haven't been around here lately, I've been figuring stuff out in my life, and all is well now!
I missed the forums Thanks to all the amazing chefs that work every day cooking the ROM's we live by!
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Glad things are working in your favor. Just wanted to say thank you for the work on the website. Haven't used it, but since I was informed by this thread, I will make use of that resource.
i`m not sure if i`m breaking any rules by posting this but i`m new on this forum and i have only one problem .. when i`m trying to search for a rom i have ten's of results and onlyt 10 % of them give me what i want .. and sometimes not even thoes... i found a thread in the themes and app section whit known apps working on the touch hd etc ..
could someone make something like this for the roms ..
it`s a nightmare to search for a rom ..
this could be verry helpfull .. just "stick" the thread to the top of the forum and there a moderator or anyone who wants the job could post every existing rom and the link to it ..
no description .. just something like this :
name(dutty`s r4),(miri`s etc) win 6.5 .. build 2****
link (or something close to this)
the reason for wanting this is because whenever i`m trying to search for something i`m spending literaly hours trying to find the rom, app etc ..
thank`s for the answer .. what ever that is
first, let me welcome you to xda! what information are you searching for? your best bet is to read the 1st-10th posts of each ROM thread for details on the the ROM. reading the first few posts of each thread and then posts after the posted ROM release date (usually in the thread title) is the approach i use to get feedback.
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first, let me welcome you to xda! what information are you searching for? your best bet is to read the 1st-10th posts of each ROM thread for details on the the ROM. reading the first few posts of each thread and then posts after the posted ROM release date (usually in the thread title) is the approach i use to get feedback.
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i`m starting to get my way around .. but it`s still a bit confsing sometimes .. because it seems that every chef after releasing a new rom he is just posting it in the previews threat without starting a new one .. and sometimes it`s quite confusing .. in the same threat you find 2 3 5 roms everyone diferent builds and it`s not always easy to gues witch is what .. anyway this could be a good ideea .. at least 50% of the users here don`t use english as their base language and it`s not easy for all to find what they are looking for... i started this thread because it was trying to find miri`s build 23053 test .. i was hoping to find`it in a new title but i found`it in a older thread .. somewere at the bottom of the post.. realy hard considering i had screenshots from older builds and the title was saying something else .. anyway .. i would startit myself but i`m away form my pc about 12 hours a day (not counting the sleep )and don`t have the time
thanks for the reply and please excuse my bad english
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i`m starting to get my way around .. but it`s still a bit confsing sometimes .. because it seems that every chef after releasing a new rom he is just posting it in the previews threat without starting a new one .. and sometimes it`s quite confusing .. in the same threat you find 2 3 5 roms everyone diferent builds and it`s not always easy to gues witch is what .. anyway this could be a good ideea .. at least 50% of the users here don`t use english as their base language and it`s not easy for all to find what they are looking for... i started this thread because it was trying to find miri`s build 23053 test .. i was hoping to find`it in a new title but i found`it in a older thread .. somewere at the bottom of the post.. realy hard considering i had screenshots from older builds and the title was saying something else .. anyway .. i would startit myself but i`m away form my pc about 12 hours a day (not counting the sleep )and don`t have the time
thanks for the reply and please excuse my bad english
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Its not a bad idea, but it would also be very time consuming. You have to remember that a benchmark thread already exists which gives some information on each rom already, but not to the extent your seeking. Why not have a go at creating this thread yourself and add to this site. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate your effort.
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Its not a bad idea, but it would also be very time consuming. You have to remember that a benchmark thread already exists which gives some information on each rom already, but not to the extent your seeking. Why not have a go at creating this thread yourself and add to this site. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate your effort.
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love to .. but like u said it would also be very time consuming .. and i don`t really have the time .. i will give`it a try .. but don`t be surprized if the thread apears after 2-3 months ...
im away from home 12 - 13 hours a day and that`s why i invited someone else to give`it a go .. i just came with the ideea
so who ever reads this and wants the job .. go ahead .. a lot of people will love you after the thread`s release
I've re-opened this thread.
Hopefully others want to help and assist this quest. I'll watch thread closely and if it develops I may sticky it. But its a long way off this for now.
Good luck
Hello
I am willing to give this a try.
I would first like to hear how it would be best to do it because it could quickly get messy.
So feel free to post your suggestions.
I would then be able to asess if i can really manage it.
Jay
j1978 said:
Hello
I am willing to give this a try.
I would first like to hear how it would be best to do it because it could quickly get messy.
So feel free to post your suggestions.
I would then be able to asess if i can really manage it.
Jay
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I would suggest making a google documents account, and setting up a spreadsheet. Make it open access to all, and arrange with ROMs down the side and details along the top. You could have sections for different authors with their ROMs all in one place. Once you have a bare bones structure, invite people to contribute and publish the address of the spreadsheet.
Good luck, it's a great idea. I would also invite proposals for what column headings you have (eg it would be good to have votes so particularly successful ROMs could be identified.)
I'm also lost in the world of rom's
for a start:
what should be in the spreadsheet?
Name of the rom
Language
Version
On what WM is it based
Date of release
programs installed
Known problems and if they're solved
stormyb said:
I'm also lost in the world of rom's
for a start:
what should be in the spreadsheet?
Name of the rom
Language
Version
On what WM is it based
Date of release
programs installed
Known problems and if they're solved
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Hi
everything ok besides the last suggestion that would be to difficult i think.
Will post back on updates
Jay
Hello
ok Here is a barebone first try. Please view and suggest improvements. If you would like access to edit and add roms please post here or Pm me.
Jay
There was a page on the Wiki that was kept up to date:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
This doesn't seem to have been updated for some time.
Surely this is the best solution, a sticky in the forum which links to the Wiki, and that page is kept up to date.
Maybe the Wiki main page should have details and links to the latest ROM version for each ROM out there, and each one has a link to a page which has previous links in there. These ROMs could be grouped by Chef, and give the Chef an oppotunity to write something brief if they wish.
I do agree that is it very annoying that new threads are not started when a new version of a ROM appears as all the comments relate to when the thread was first started.
I would be happy to be in a group of people to keep the Wiki up to date...
Maybe we need to make it easy as well for the Chefs to notify moderators of the Wiki cooked ROMs page they have release a new version.
Jason
I wouldn't mind allowing someone access to editing Wingster and adding a Touch HD section to my website. I need someone who is dedicated and has time to keep it updated though.
Any takers? The website is (www.thewingster.com)
Jason1978 said:
There was a page on the Wiki that was kept up to date:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
This doesn't seem to have been updated for some time.
Surely this is the best solution, a sticky in the forum which links to the Wiki, and that page is kept up to date.
Maybe the Wiki main page should have details and links to the latest ROM version for each ROM out there, and each one has a link to a page which has previous links in there. These ROMs could be grouped by Chef, and give the Chef an oppotunity to write something brief if they wish.
I do agree that is it very annoying that new threads are not started when a new version of a ROM appears as all the comments relate to when the thread was first started.
I would be happy to be in a group of people to keep the Wiki up to date...
Maybe we need to make it easy as well for the Chefs to notify moderators of the Wiki cooked ROMs page they have release a new version.
Jason
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Hmm indeed the wiki seems to be the most logical solution.
Jay
I had just picked up on this thread and was about to comment on the spreadsheet and the fact that I'm sure a Wiki page was updated once upon a time and low and behold, it's been posted!
The fact is whilst many people are fluent with cooked ROM's, there are MANY more that have a number of valid reasons for being sceptical and wanting specific information before trying.
My personal belief is that the Wiki would be the best solution for this as it can be edited by all.
However I think a mandatory standard should be introduced. Something along the lines of:
ROM Name|OS Ver|Win Release|Manila Ver & Build|Features (top 5?)|Known Bugs (Cooker) | Community common issues|
Just something like this to get some sort of understanding.
For instance, in most of the recent ROMs there seems to be an issue with MMS but the cooker doesn't necessarily agree that it's a ROM issue, hence the community common issues section.
I'm working off my own experiences here however. I personally want to know what device it will work on, what the OS and Manila versions are, what the features are but what the tradeoff to known bugs are if I flash this ROM.
One last thing - Whilst I understand that many of the cookers have other things that are ongoing and therefore get to their ROM's as and when they can and again provide support where they can, I have seen very little support for their ROM's as they know there is another around the corner. That to me is the biggest issue for people wishing to jump into the world of cooked ROMS - the ability to know exactly what they are and aren't getting. Standard ROMs provide that and hence the comfort it brings.
Comments & thoughts?
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However I think a mandatory standard should be introduced. Something along the lines of:
ROM Name|OS Ver|Win Release|Manila Ver & Build|Features (top 5?)|Known Bugs (Cooker) | Community common issues|
Just something like this to get some sort of understanding.
I'm working off my own experiences here however. I personally want to know what device it will work on, what the OS and Manila versions are, what the features are but what the tradeoff to known bugs are if I flash this ROM.
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Hello
A mandatory standard is definitly needed for the Wiki.
I guess we now need to form a team/group of people who are willing to invest some time in updating the wiki.
As for what you say on rom support, the rom thread gives you a lot of info it would also add a lot of work on an already ambitious project.
The main goal here is to provide a single place where you can see and find all available roms.
Jay
j1978 said:
Hello
A mandatory standard is definitly needed for the Wiki.
I guess we now need to form a team/group of people who are willing to invest some time in updating the wiki.
As for what you say on rom support, the rom thread gives you a lot of info it would also add a lot of work on an already ambitious project.
The main goal here is to provide a single place where you can see and find all available roms.
Jay
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Well count me in - I'm willing to be a part of this. I really feel that for the "average user" there is very little that they can get at quickly and effectively. If you are a power user you can go through the whole "editing of manila files" and the other titbits in the threads but the fact is most people don't expect "normal" functions to be interrupted by new ROMs...they expect enhancements with no reduction in usability. I understand that there is a trade-off, but i think that trade-off should be immediately understood and available for all users to see.
Same here....
I have started tonight compiling some of the ROM details...
I could add a new table into the Cooked ROMs Wiki page with where I am up to and so people can get an idea of the layout I am proposing?
Personally I think there should be a table per WM version, and also per language, although I have concentrated efforts firstly on WWE.
I also would group in the table by Chef, listing their variants next to each other, each on a different line, but light, standard, heavy builds of the same variant that are usually on the same thread should be on one line, I think we can span the lines in the table on the Wiki so it looks right. The main table should only have latest links, and maybe another Wiki page with previous links, that we move when a new one comes out, so a record is kept where possible.
The column where the name of the ROM series is will link to the thread, with the download links having its own column if possible (maybe with light, standard, heavy if applicable)
Mods: Can you advise on posting links to other sites, i.e. with Dutty etc going to HTCPedia. Some of these Chefs generate a lot of interest, dont really want to exclude these...
Thanks
Jason
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I have updated the cooked ROMs page, added a new table near the top, only WM6.5 ROMs WWE versions.
Not an extensive list yet, and some missing information as threads dont have some detail:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
Need to decide on whether the columns are suitable and whether there is more information that would be handy, and/or any other revisions to the layout. If anyone is aware of any of the missing information, that would be great, just go ahead and fill it in...
MODS: Could do with a new thread with a sticky, pointing to the cooked ROM Wiki page once we have sorted it out please.
Chaps,
Now I have put an example table on the cooked roms wiki page, can everyone who is interested take a look and see if we can make this wiki useful...
Thanks
Hello
Nice work! but as you might have noticed there is allready a wm 6.5 section so now we have two.
altough anyone can edit the wiki i was advised by the Mods to first compile the data and then when we have most of the info edit the wiki .
so i suppose we should focus on editing the google spreadsheet i set up.
If anyone wants access please post here.
P.S Jason and Wiggz please PM me a google username so i can add you to the list.
Jay
Saw a list in Wizard forums and found a thread of all the roms which is a good way of organizing all the roms but I hate the endless scrolling so I put up this google docs to kinda sort it out. Check out see if you think it works. Are there any other criteria that should be included.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tBctimfdK9NM5awAG-Xnwpw&single=true&gid=0&output=html
P.S. all the links are to the rom threads not the roms themselves
update: added a latest changes column instead of comment column
97 views and no replies guess it's not worth the effort to update and maintain this.
Well, I think it's a good idea dude, cheers for the work!
I second that
It is a great idea, I am just thinking of an easier way for you to do it because I could see where that would be a pain.
yeah I'd like to have it internal to the site but don't know how to do that and easily edit it.
Nice! Thanks and appreciate the effort to put it together - it is a pain reading through threads to get a view of what is out there!
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Saw a list in Wizard forums and found a thread of all the roms which is a good way of organizing all the roms but I hate the endless scrolling so I put up this google docs to kinda sort it out. Check out see if you think it works. Are there any other criteria that should be included.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tBctimfdK9NM5awAG-Xnwpw&single=true&gid=0&output=html
P.S. all the links are to the rom threads not the roms themselves
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Excellent idea. Thanks alot.
1st i have 3 different roms check my signature
2nd i think you must add the language wwe
because i see 2 roms in the list one is SWE and the other is multi language
3rd great work
This is the same problem I am running in to with my mirror.
Im trying to update the mirror with new ROMs most days (ok, have now for nearly a week... work has to come first)
The only field I dont have at the moment (although I have been meaning to add it in) is the TF3D version
If cooks what to upload their own ROMs to my mirror they are MOOR than welcome as it will save me time while tring to upload the rest...
I dont have a RS account so it can take along time to download all these new ROMs
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1st i have 3 different roms check my signature
2nd i think you must add the language wwe
because i see 2 roms in the list one is SWE and the other is multi language
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thanks, for the support, I can't always tell the language, I added the column and will correct as appropriate. I also organized the list by developer so I could easily make sure I have all the roms each developer.
thanks again.
i think theres a thread aboot it already.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=557177
no update since 9/11
well I will try to keep this up to date as long as there is interest, I've changed the rating column to stability because that is a lot less subjective.
update: added a latest changes column instead of comment column
still looking to keep this list alive.
hugely useful
thanks!
tGo
why not cooks update the wiki with thier rom info....i know there are some who do that already. that way we dont have to wait for one person to updat stuff!
Benchmarking/speed
for me right now I need the fastest ROM available, Could we add a column for overall speed? Like, startup time, windows folder list time, etc?
i wonder why you dont update the wiki:O
espacially this
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Rhodium
just put it in there.. what do you think a wiki is for? fun?
compare to this one ...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael
what do you need googledocs for:O