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[WIKI]HTC Blackstone cooked ROM List [See Wiki for Updates]

To be on this list it has to be and has to have:
- No Official ROMs {In the wiki}
- No Stock/Shipped ROMs {In the wiki}
- No Carrier ROMs(unless its a cooked ROM for a certain carrier with the carrier branding left on)
- Non Beta/Non testing phase ROMs , we want stable ROMs so people can just come here and flash and be happy
Mods you can help to while I'm offline.
Also, Dev's can you PM me your cooked ROMs release thread or any changes you have made so I can update this thread quickly.
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Thanks for your generous work for the community,
Tito
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BlackStone ROM section updated and ran by the community.
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I have abandoned this project but it should be left open since its a great list.

Cooked Roms
SEE WIKI
see wiki

Lite roms
SEE WIKI
see wiki

Heavy ROMs
SEE WIKI
*A Heavy ROM is a ROM that looks and feels heavier than a cooked ROM, and usually has a lite ROM to go along with it. It usually has 3 times the amount of customization done and some have more applications available on it, it all depends. The term "looks and feels heavier" is in figurative speak. There are no biases to which one you want, its just a simple way to organize. Its like organizing rocks, big ones, small ones, and normal sized rocks. You may like the little ones, someone else may like the big ones, others might like the normal sized ones, its all up to preference.

This Months Top Ten Recommended ROMs
SEE WIKI
see wiki

Do you have latest official ROM from HTC?

WM 6.5 ROMs
SEE WIKI
see wiki

Thanks for creating such usefull wiki page.
I have updated some info on the PDAVIET rom I hope it will be easy for other people to understand. Thanks again.
Happy New year

No problem. All for the community .

please dont forget this roms
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=461357

Hi!
what is exactly a "Media/Feature-Rich ROM" referred into the wiki page?
Just to have one definition, i can only agree that Panosha and Laurentius26 are great ROMs (i used both) but i don't understand which features you are referring to in the webpage. Having one definition could make it easier to choose from.

Hmmm, let me put it this way, roms with extra stuff, tons more things in side.

~~Tito~~ said:
Hmmm, let me put it this way, roms with extra stuff, tons more things in side.
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Uhm ,
despite the fact that both are great ROMs, what you say is not true . For example, Dutty's has more features than those ROMs. Do you agree?
In terms of "things inside", I would rather favour an objective comparison table - if you'd have the time! - highlighting, for example UC compliance, IE6, Flash, free RAM, D3D, etc.
Not a big deal actually, but i feel that newcomers could be mislead...anyway, it doesn't matter since those ROMs are both good...

Oh . I have the time, just let me conjure up a little system and the ROM list will be fixed. I don't want to have any biases in my list.
I will probably have a little fix by the end of the day. Its 12:30pm where I'm at, so like around 3pm my time(I have few things I have to do so I will probably have it sooner.)
I will have to word the definition so its not misleading.
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Oh I just thought of this, what I think is great and what someone else thinks is great could be two different things, so I will have an additional list of a "this months greatest ROMs" that way, when there are tons and tons of ROMs people can have a convenient little list of 10 ROMs that people have voted the best for that month. Of course I'm not saying there are only a select few of ROMs that are good and the rest are trash, I'm saying that its like this months recommended ROMs.

Hmmm, anyone want to help me make this list better? I am thinking of having a team so when the big ROM rush comes we can take it on like cake.

Hey guys, ummm after today the list won't get updated for a while, as I won't be near a computer. So bear with me please thanks .
Tito

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A touch of HD {Offline, ROM no longer supported PM Cook for support} [V 2.21] - [WWE]
Puzuccel [V 1.18] - [WWE]
Black Pearl [V 1.1] - [WWE]
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Since today, Black Pearl became [V 1.2] - [WWE]
Happy New Year

Ok, guys I'm back. I have alot more work on the wiki, I thank who ever added the OS version to the list on my charts in the wiki.

Thank you for having added my rom to the list, and thank you for this usefull work

davideuck said:
Thank you for having added my rom to the list, and thank you for this usefull work
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No problem .

[Poll]This Months Top Ten Recommended Roms!![Januray '09 - POLL CLOSED]

Well folks, the time has come, every mid month I will start this poll, and when the month ends I will end the poll and post the results in my wiki and thread!
Since this is the first voting thread, there is going to be an introduction .
I want to have a list where people can be specific and choose one ROM, but what if you don't know what to choose? This is what will help.
Poll Has Started!
Will end January 31st, at 11:59:59PM
Any new ROMs will be added in this poll that are released before Jan 24th.
Please, don't post in here requesting advice on what ROM to get, this only a voting thread. If you want to know what ROM to get try some out and use the one you like. Then vote here for the ROM you like the most.
Mods, delete irrelavent posts please
Also,
CHO HTC is the PhamQuang ROM

Please add also PhamQuang ROM (PDAViet)

I think he changed the ROM's name to CHO HTC. You can check my list if you'd like .

Marketing study for cooked ROMs!
HI Tito! i find this thread extremely useful and informative, good idea! It would be even more interesting if cookers would disclose the number of downloads of their ROMs. This is important for everybody as a sort of "marketing study" to understand what the other members are looking for. I was very surprised in noticing that there are less than 0.2 posts per download, and most of the users just silently download the ROM and happily use it! Only when you have issues and/or specific requests - then posts shows up
For example, in my ROM we have achieved 1398 downloads up to now.
Another interesting "marketing" consideration: first users (the techno geeks alias "early adopters" ) downloaded almost only from rapidshare, but when roms stabilize it is mediashare which is mainly used (the early adopter testing validates the ROM for "real users" ) ! i am sure this is correlated with the different use of the PDA.

Sorry Tito, but my last Rom it's called Dark Red and no Dark Blue, I've changed it, how probably I make a new version!

Oh, thanks for the tip, but can you PM me when ever you guys have a change? I don't want this to be error reporting, I want people to post their feedback if they have any , like pzuccel did .
Thanks,
Tito

~~Tito~~ said:
Oh, thanks for the tip, but can you PM me when ever you guys have a change? I don't want this to be error reporting, I want people to post their feedback if they have any , like pzuccel did .
Thanks,
Tito
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...pzuccel is pzucchel ...

LOL, I always miss that one.

BUMP . Hey people I want your feedback.

Hi,
I am brand new to the ppc and flashing scene.
I read a lot of articles about flashing cooked roms and their pros. Unfortunately I don't have that much time at the moment but I'd better like to flash my HD now rather than later so that I don't need to backup so much data.
I'll have enough time to tweak it a bit and change some registry stuff, installing programms etc but not for flashing it every two weeks.
So I ask you what ROM should I use? Should I go for an official ROM? I would use Duddys or Laurentius if they are really stable. Duddys seems to be great but I fear that I have a lmost no time to care for bugs.
Are there any bugs in Duddys? Which ond would you recommend me to use?

There are bugs in almost everything. Nothing es perfect . Its all up to you, but this isn't the place to post this , a PM would have been better. Check out the blackstone list in my sig. It has more ROMs listed(well its updated, I cant seem to update this poll. . . .). Its all up to what you like and need.

~~Tito~~ said:
BUMP . Hey people I want your feedback.
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I don't think the poll is turning out quite fair because the multi roms are getting votes from all languages so of course they will get a more weighted response. Maybe there should be a WWE category for each rom that is multi. Then you could compare like votes.

Matterhorn said:
I don't think the poll is turning out quite fair because the multi roms are getting votes from all languages so of course they will get a more weighted response. I don't know what the answer is though.
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But thats only part of a rom, most people will go for a wwe rom and put in a different language, they probably voted for it because they like what the cook put inside his ROM(not just a language).

PhamQuang ROM (PDAViet) rom is my vote but its not on the poll..

Turb0wned said:
PhamQuang ROM (PDAViet) rom is my vote but its not on the poll..
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CHO HTC, check in my list, he changed the name.

~~Tito~~ said:
But thats only part of a rom, most people will go for a wwe rom and put in a different language, they probably voted for it because they like what the cook put inside his ROM(not just a language).
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I am currently using one of the multi ROMs, so I agree that many people like them, including me. I have a statistical background so I couldn't help but open my mouth Anyway, it is all in fun and doesn't have to be statistically perfect

I vote for R3D Dark Red, it's really fast and stable, i've no problems with any application, great work my friend Roby

Voted for Dutty ... Kudos to him for giving us these wonderful roms

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LOL, I always miss that one.
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...well, let's see the positive side: you wrote my name correctly 25% of the times
but don't worry, i complain just to keep your thread high in the list (actually, this is one of the few threads that should be sticky...especially if you would spell my name correctly...)

My favorite
[ROM][WWE][Jan 19]Slim 1.1, Barebone 1.2 [CE OS 20764][UPDATED Jan 20]

[QUEST] List of all roms available

i`m not sure if i`m breaking any rules by posting this but i`m new on this forum and i have only one problem .. when i`m trying to search for a rom i have ten's of results and onlyt 10 % of them give me what i want .. and sometimes not even thoes... i found a thread in the themes and app section whit known apps working on the touch hd etc ..
could someone make something like this for the roms ..
it`s a nightmare to search for a rom ..
this could be verry helpfull .. just "stick" the thread to the top of the forum and there a moderator or anyone who wants the job could post every existing rom and the link to it ..
no description .. just something like this :
name(dutty`s r4),(miri`s etc) win 6.5 .. build 2****
link (or something close to this)
the reason for wanting this is because whenever i`m trying to search for something i`m spending literaly hours trying to find the rom, app etc ..
thank`s for the answer .. what ever that is

first, let me welcome you to xda! what information are you searching for? your best bet is to read the 1st-10th posts of each ROM thread for details on the the ROM. reading the first few posts of each thread and then posts after the posted ROM release date (usually in the thread title) is the approach i use to get feedback.

cortez.i said:
first, let me welcome you to xda! what information are you searching for? your best bet is to read the 1st-10th posts of each ROM thread for details on the the ROM. reading the first few posts of each thread and then posts after the posted ROM release date (usually in the thread title) is the approach i use to get feedback.
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i`m starting to get my way around .. but it`s still a bit confsing sometimes .. because it seems that every chef after releasing a new rom he is just posting it in the previews threat without starting a new one .. and sometimes it`s quite confusing .. in the same threat you find 2 3 5 roms everyone diferent builds and it`s not always easy to gues witch is what .. anyway this could be a good ideea .. at least 50% of the users here don`t use english as their base language and it`s not easy for all to find what they are looking for... i started this thread because it was trying to find miri`s build 23053 test .. i was hoping to find`it in a new title but i found`it in a older thread .. somewere at the bottom of the post.. realy hard considering i had screenshots from older builds and the title was saying something else .. anyway .. i would startit myself but i`m away form my pc about 12 hours a day (not counting the sleep )and don`t have the time
thanks for the reply and please excuse my bad english

scoutish said:
i`m starting to get my way around .. but it`s still a bit confsing sometimes .. because it seems that every chef after releasing a new rom he is just posting it in the previews threat without starting a new one .. and sometimes it`s quite confusing .. in the same threat you find 2 3 5 roms everyone diferent builds and it`s not always easy to gues witch is what .. anyway this could be a good ideea .. at least 50% of the users here don`t use english as their base language and it`s not easy for all to find what they are looking for... i started this thread because it was trying to find miri`s build 23053 test .. i was hoping to find`it in a new title but i found`it in a older thread .. somewere at the bottom of the post.. realy hard considering i had screenshots from older builds and the title was saying something else .. anyway .. i would startit myself but i`m away form my pc about 12 hours a day (not counting the sleep )and don`t have the time
thanks for the reply and please excuse my bad english
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Its not a bad idea, but it would also be very time consuming. You have to remember that a benchmark thread already exists which gives some information on each rom already, but not to the extent your seeking. Why not have a go at creating this thread yourself and add to this site. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate your effort.

Fallen Spartan said:
Its not a bad idea, but it would also be very time consuming. You have to remember that a benchmark thread already exists which gives some information on each rom already, but not to the extent your seeking. Why not have a go at creating this thread yourself and add to this site. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate your effort.
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love to .. but like u said it would also be very time consuming .. and i don`t really have the time .. i will give`it a try .. but don`t be surprized if the thread apears after 2-3 months ...
im away from home 12 - 13 hours a day and that`s why i invited someone else to give`it a go .. i just came with the ideea
so who ever reads this and wants the job .. go ahead .. a lot of people will love you after the thread`s release

I've re-opened this thread.
Hopefully others want to help and assist this quest. I'll watch thread closely and if it develops I may sticky it. But its a long way off this for now.
Good luck

Hello
I am willing to give this a try.
I would first like to hear how it would be best to do it because it could quickly get messy.
So feel free to post your suggestions.
I would then be able to asess if i can really manage it.
Jay

j1978 said:
Hello
I am willing to give this a try.
I would first like to hear how it would be best to do it because it could quickly get messy.
So feel free to post your suggestions.
I would then be able to asess if i can really manage it.
Jay
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I would suggest making a google documents account, and setting up a spreadsheet. Make it open access to all, and arrange with ROMs down the side and details along the top. You could have sections for different authors with their ROMs all in one place. Once you have a bare bones structure, invite people to contribute and publish the address of the spreadsheet.
Good luck, it's a great idea. I would also invite proposals for what column headings you have (eg it would be good to have votes so particularly successful ROMs could be identified.)

I'm also lost in the world of rom's
for a start:
what should be in the spreadsheet?
Name of the rom
Language
Version
On what WM is it based
Date of release
programs installed
Known problems and if they're solved

stormyb said:
I'm also lost in the world of rom's
for a start:
what should be in the spreadsheet?
Name of the rom
Language
Version
On what WM is it based
Date of release
programs installed
Known problems and if they're solved
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Hi
everything ok besides the last suggestion that would be to difficult i think.
Will post back on updates
Jay

Hello
ok Here is a barebone first try. Please view and suggest improvements. If you would like access to edit and add roms please post here or Pm me.
Jay

There was a page on the Wiki that was kept up to date:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
This doesn't seem to have been updated for some time.
Surely this is the best solution, a sticky in the forum which links to the Wiki, and that page is kept up to date.
Maybe the Wiki main page should have details and links to the latest ROM version for each ROM out there, and each one has a link to a page which has previous links in there. These ROMs could be grouped by Chef, and give the Chef an oppotunity to write something brief if they wish.
I do agree that is it very annoying that new threads are not started when a new version of a ROM appears as all the comments relate to when the thread was first started.
I would be happy to be in a group of people to keep the Wiki up to date...
Maybe we need to make it easy as well for the Chefs to notify moderators of the Wiki cooked ROMs page they have release a new version.
Jason

I wouldn't mind allowing someone access to editing Wingster and adding a Touch HD section to my website. I need someone who is dedicated and has time to keep it updated though.
Any takers? The website is (www.thewingster.com)

Jason1978 said:
There was a page on the Wiki that was kept up to date:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
This doesn't seem to have been updated for some time.
Surely this is the best solution, a sticky in the forum which links to the Wiki, and that page is kept up to date.
Maybe the Wiki main page should have details and links to the latest ROM version for each ROM out there, and each one has a link to a page which has previous links in there. These ROMs could be grouped by Chef, and give the Chef an oppotunity to write something brief if they wish.
I do agree that is it very annoying that new threads are not started when a new version of a ROM appears as all the comments relate to when the thread was first started.
I would be happy to be in a group of people to keep the Wiki up to date...
Maybe we need to make it easy as well for the Chefs to notify moderators of the Wiki cooked ROMs page they have release a new version.
Jason
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Hmm indeed the wiki seems to be the most logical solution.
Jay

I had just picked up on this thread and was about to comment on the spreadsheet and the fact that I'm sure a Wiki page was updated once upon a time and low and behold, it's been posted!
The fact is whilst many people are fluent with cooked ROM's, there are MANY more that have a number of valid reasons for being sceptical and wanting specific information before trying.
My personal belief is that the Wiki would be the best solution for this as it can be edited by all.
However I think a mandatory standard should be introduced. Something along the lines of:
ROM Name|OS Ver|Win Release|Manila Ver & Build|Features (top 5?)|Known Bugs (Cooker) | Community common issues|
Just something like this to get some sort of understanding.
For instance, in most of the recent ROMs there seems to be an issue with MMS but the cooker doesn't necessarily agree that it's a ROM issue, hence the community common issues section.
I'm working off my own experiences here however. I personally want to know what device it will work on, what the OS and Manila versions are, what the features are but what the tradeoff to known bugs are if I flash this ROM.
One last thing - Whilst I understand that many of the cookers have other things that are ongoing and therefore get to their ROM's as and when they can and again provide support where they can, I have seen very little support for their ROM's as they know there is another around the corner. That to me is the biggest issue for people wishing to jump into the world of cooked ROMS - the ability to know exactly what they are and aren't getting. Standard ROMs provide that and hence the comfort it brings.
Comments & thoughts?

Wiggz said:
However I think a mandatory standard should be introduced. Something along the lines of:
ROM Name|OS Ver|Win Release|Manila Ver & Build|Features (top 5?)|Known Bugs (Cooker) | Community common issues|
Just something like this to get some sort of understanding.
I'm working off my own experiences here however. I personally want to know what device it will work on, what the OS and Manila versions are, what the features are but what the tradeoff to known bugs are if I flash this ROM.
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Hello
A mandatory standard is definitly needed for the Wiki.
I guess we now need to form a team/group of people who are willing to invest some time in updating the wiki.
As for what you say on rom support, the rom thread gives you a lot of info it would also add a lot of work on an already ambitious project.
The main goal here is to provide a single place where you can see and find all available roms.
Jay

j1978 said:
Hello
A mandatory standard is definitly needed for the Wiki.
I guess we now need to form a team/group of people who are willing to invest some time in updating the wiki.
As for what you say on rom support, the rom thread gives you a lot of info it would also add a lot of work on an already ambitious project.
The main goal here is to provide a single place where you can see and find all available roms.
Jay
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Well count me in - I'm willing to be a part of this. I really feel that for the "average user" there is very little that they can get at quickly and effectively. If you are a power user you can go through the whole "editing of manila files" and the other titbits in the threads but the fact is most people don't expect "normal" functions to be interrupted by new ROMs...they expect enhancements with no reduction in usability. I understand that there is a trade-off, but i think that trade-off should be immediately understood and available for all users to see.

Same here....
I have started tonight compiling some of the ROM details...
I could add a new table into the Cooked ROMs Wiki page with where I am up to and so people can get an idea of the layout I am proposing?
Personally I think there should be a table per WM version, and also per language, although I have concentrated efforts firstly on WWE.
I also would group in the table by Chef, listing their variants next to each other, each on a different line, but light, standard, heavy builds of the same variant that are usually on the same thread should be on one line, I think we can span the lines in the table on the Wiki so it looks right. The main table should only have latest links, and maybe another Wiki page with previous links, that we move when a new one comes out, so a record is kept where possible.
The column where the name of the ROM series is will link to the thread, with the download links having its own column if possible (maybe with light, standard, heavy if applicable)
Mods: Can you advise on posting links to other sites, i.e. with Dutty etc going to HTCPedia. Some of these Chefs generate a lot of interest, dont really want to exclude these...
Thanks
Jason
EDIT::
I have updated the cooked ROMs page, added a new table near the top, only WM6.5 ROMs WWE versions.
Not an extensive list yet, and some missing information as threads dont have some detail:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
Need to decide on whether the columns are suitable and whether there is more information that would be handy, and/or any other revisions to the layout. If anyone is aware of any of the missing information, that would be great, just go ahead and fill it in...
MODS: Could do with a new thread with a sticky, pointing to the cooked ROM Wiki page once we have sorted it out please.

Chaps,
Now I have put an example table on the cooked roms wiki page, can everyone who is interested take a look and see if we can make this wiki useful...
Thanks

Hello
Nice work! but as you might have noticed there is allready a wm 6.5 section so now we have two.
altough anyone can edit the wiki i was advised by the Mods to first compile the data and then when we have most of the info edit the wiki .
so i suppose we should focus on editing the google spreadsheet i set up.
If anyone wants access please post here.
P.S Jason and Wiggz please PM me a google username so i can add you to the list.
Jay

issue tracker wiki

would it be a good idea to allow cookers to create issue trackers in the wiki and link the page to the first page of their threads.
that way when someone has an issue/fix we can say "add it to the wiki" and they can see if the issue has already been reported and any fixes that users have associated with it?
it also give the cooker one place to look when they come to support that rom

Anybody can edit the Wiki, it wouldnt neccassarily need to done by the cooks, why dont you start it off and turn this useless thread into something contructive rather than another cloed thread!

shruff said:
Anybody can edit the Wiki, it wouldnt neccassarily need to done by the cooks, why dont you start it off and turn this useless thread into something contructive rather than another cloed thread!
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i know... that's the point! everyone can edit it for their issues. but we'd want the cookers to adopt the wiki page as their issue trackers.
I will create a page for the NRG 2.5 rom tonight.
FS plz dont lock this thread yet! something better might come out of it! ie a wider participation

imranmaz said:
FS plz dont lock this thread yet! something better might come out of it! ie a wider participation
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I'll keep an eye on thread, and see as you say, if something better might materialize out of it. But, as you stated yourself, this would need to be adopted by a number of chef's for it to work properly.

Hi fallen spartan
I have created a wiki for two roms:
miri wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Miri_wm65_manila25
nrg wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=nrg_wm65_manila25
could you add them to the first posts of the two threads in rom development?

imranmaz said:
Hi fallen spartan
I have created a wiki for two roms:
miri wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Miri_wm65_manila25
nrg wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=nrg_wm65_manila25
could you add them to the first posts of the two threads in rom development?
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Hi,
I noticed you had added links to the 6.5 ROM list on the Wiki. I updated the table just now and moved the column for the issies links nearer to the left. I also took out the language column as the table is getting too wide, and we can group the languages as shown in the revised table.
There is also a post about listing all the ROMs on the Wiki as this has not been kept up to date.
See the post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565960
I think I have captured all the WWE 6.5 ROMs which have active support for them by their chefs and they are listed on the Cooked Roms page
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
Let see what others think

made this post in another thread... (apology for cross-posting)
great idea! i'd like to offer the following suggestions:
add a column for ROM version. i know this is for 2.5 Manila, but miri may have 2-3 2.5 Manila versions in circulation at one time. standardized selections would be great (although i'm not sure it's possible)
consider adding a standardized "feature" column/tag. might help with searching or filtering responses. for example, a standard features list could include: SMS, Twitter, Weather, email, contacts, data connection, sounds, alarms, etc.
are these easy changes to make? i ask because i'm not familiar with the wiki edit process.

Good idea, i like it!

cortez.i said:
made this post in another thread... (apology for cross-posting)
great idea! i'd like to offer the following suggestions:
add a column for ROM version. i know this is for 2.5 Manila, but miri may have 2-3 2.5 Manila versions in circulation at one time. standardized selections would be great (although i'm not sure it's possible)
consider adding a standardized "feature" column/tag. might help with searching or filtering responses. for example, a standard features list could include: SMS, Twitter, Weather, email, contacts, data connection, sounds, alarms, etc.
are these easy changes to make? i ask because i'm not familiar with the wiki edit process.
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good ideas cortez! I will organise the table better. google about writing in wikis. it is quite simple (this was my first wiki page i have ever created)
any other suggestions are welcome.

Jason1978 said:
Hi,
I noticed you had added links to the 6.5 ROM list on the Wiki. I updated the table just now and moved the column for the issies links nearer to the left. I also took out the language column as the table is getting too wide, and we can group the languages as shown in the revised table.
There is also a post about listing all the ROMs on the Wiki as this has not been kept up to date.
See the post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565960
I think I have captured all the WWE 6.5 ROMs which have active support for them by their chefs and they are listed on the Cooked Roms page
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
Let see what others think
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thanks for doing this!

Guys the problem we have is two fold.
1) The Chefs are releasing new ROMs with increasing regularity
2) The Chefs rarely (and this isn't a pot shot) retrospectively fix issues in that ROM - they fix in subsequent ones.
I am fully for this idea but I see the above as massive problems to overcome for it to be useful. We risk putting Chefs of cooking ROMs but asking for such increases in bug fixing and ROM releases will naturally decrease with that.
I am not saying I either want this or don't - I am simply pointing this out. I have a number of issues with my current ROM that I would love sorting out...I don't want to be chopping and changing my ROM every two minutes in order to fix a small issue - however that being said, I also want Chefs to continue their excellent work.
Let's be careful and sensitive to what we are wishing for?

imranmaz said:
Hi fallen spartan
I have created a wiki for two roms:
miri wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Miri_wm65_manila25
nrg wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=nrg_wm65_manila25
could you add them to the first posts of the two threads in rom development?
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I'm not going to add something to these threads unless the creators Miri & NRG agree to it first. I have PM'ed them and will wait for their response.

Fallen Spartan said:
I'm not going to add something to these threads unless the creators Miri & NRG agree to it first. I have PM'ed them and will wait for their response.
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It's pointless in any case unless the cookers agree to use them as a bug issue priority list of sorts. I'm not sure that these guys have sufficient time to do that.
Having a list of issues is one thing....the list of fixes is going to be another entirely!

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I'm not going to add something to these threads unless the creators Miri & NRG agree to it first. I have PM'ed them and will wait for their response.
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thanks FS, miri has mentioned that he would add it to his first page
Wiggz said:
Guys the problem we have is two fold.
1) The Chefs are releasing new ROMs with increasing regularity
2) The Chefs rarely (and this isn't a pot shot) retrospectively fix issues in that ROM - they fix in subsequent ones.
I am fully for this idea but I see the above as massive problems to overcome for it to be useful. We risk putting Chefs of cooking ROMs but asking for such increases in bug fixing and ROM releases will naturally decrease with that.
I am not saying I either want this or don't - I am simply pointing this out. I have a number of issues with my current ROM that I would love sorting out...I don't want to be chopping and changing my ROM every two minutes in order to fix a small issue - however that being said, I also want Chefs to continue their excellent work.
Let's be careful and sensitive to what we are wishing for?
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Wiggz said:
It's pointless in any case unless the cookers agree to use them as a bug issue priority list of sorts. I'm not sure that these guys have sufficient time to do that.
Having a list of issues is one thing....the list of fixes is going to be another entirely!
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hey wiggz, while i understand your concerns i don't fully agree with them.
The idea of the issues tracker is different for different users:
People that don't have the rom:
these guys will be able to look at the issues and associated fixes (if any) and decide if they want to flash the rom.
People that have the rom:
They can look at the tracker and add new issues, track fixes and not have to flood the thread with things like "GPRS keeps connecting halp!!" after every two posts. Also, fixes can be given to a wider audience rather than someone saying "look a few pages back… this has been fixed"
Cookers:
Cookers can TRACK the issues, they can see what is wrong with the rom and either
A. fix it in this current rom
B. apply the fix or test the issue in the new rom
C. do nothing as there is no fix
The idea is that:
Duplicate posts will get reduced
Fixes get the visibility that they deserve
New roms can be regression tested by cookers, beta testers and normal users.
I think you got confused with "suggested fix"…. I am not asking miri/nrg or other cookers to fill out the form, it is for their reference.
The suggested fix is for ALL users to fill in. if the cookers/other users find a fix then the best place to put it is in the wiki and not on post #1006044 on page 1902309231
You dig?

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thanks FS, miri has mentioned that he would add it to his first page
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Miri has now added this to his thread. Still waiting on response from NRG

I totally get it - perhaps I was simply focusing on the negatives a bit too much.
The fact is when I'm looking at a new ROM I want as much information about issues as I can so I know whether to invest the time or not.
However more often than not my issues stem from small issues that arise in ROMs but are never fixed. For me, the EnergyROM Leo would be perfect if I could just send MMS messages (the 'fix' hasn't worked for me).

REQUEST for ROM WIKI page listing details

I am requesting that the powers that be create a ROM Wiki Page where cooks can enter the vital stats of their roms in a table/spreadsheet format so that innocent rom flashers such as myself can do direct comparisons between roms with out having to wade through hundreds of pages posts etc.
And I also request that chefs use this page and follow the table structure. And that you update your rom on the wiki page when a new version comes out.
Please!
This part may be too ambitious, but I would also like to see on the table a column for user score. Could be a simple 5 star system. Each rom there could have a link to a brief review containing questions about usability, stability, battery life etc.. Graded on a 5 star scale. All the answers would be averaged together and would be reflected on the above mentioned table as a simple score

cameraddict said:
I am requesting that the powers that be create a ROM Wiki Page where cooks can enter the vital stats of their roms in a table/spreadsheet format so that innocent rom flashers such as myself can do direct comparisons between roms with out having to wade through hundreds of pages posts etc.
And I also request that chefs use this page and follow the table structure. And that you update your rom on the wiki page when a new version comes out.
Please!
This part may be too ambitious, but I would also like to see on the table a column for user score. Could be a simple 5 star system. Each rom there could have a link to a brief review containing questions about usability, stability, battery life etc.. Graded on a 5 star scale. All the answers would be averaged together and would be reflected on the above mentioned table as a simple score
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To me the thing about that is a ROM can run totally different on each device and the Roms are changing every day so i think it would be to hard to keep up with it all and i do not think a chef would like his or her ROM being put next to another ROM so see if the ROM is doing good or bad i know thats what it wont be for but that will happen and it takes me 5 Min's a day to scan through the Roms and see how they are doing i doubt if any chefs would agree to it and it takes all there time to do i new rom so they dont need any extra work in double posting it just my 2pence worh

I hear your concerns. Perhaps just scrap the idea about the rating system.
But if the chef put the basic info for his rom up we could see and compare to determine what roms we may want to use. Like What build they use, whether they used manila 2.1 or 2.5. What programs they add or subtract, what dialer, what page pool setting... etc.. things like these. I am just looking for a good starting point to do my research on which rom I want to use.
There are just too many out there for a person to wade through to find the base set of features they want. I run a small business, and use my phone daily in it. I don't have them time to read about every single rom. I will read about a few though. And it would help to narrow down which ones I look at if I know what features they focus on.
Once the wiki table was set up it would require very little to enter basic data and to keep it loosely updated. As I said, I am just looking for a basic idea of the direction each chef takes their rom.

Seriously? Nobody else thinks this is a good idea? Everyone likes searching through dozens of topics, and wading through Hundreds of pages of replies to find basic data about a rom, and some user feedback? And does everyone here prefer to flash every rom under the sun to find the right one for them?
Don't get me wrong, in my spare time I am a gadget/tech lover. I love to tinker... again- if I have the time.
But there really does have to be a better way to narrowing down the list of potential roms one might want to try. I don't mind trying a few.....but not all.
Any body else with me on this? Or do I stand(type) alone?
Thanks

Yep I support this as well (That said it's fun to go through all these pages ehehe)

I totally agree with you. I am very surprised that this does not exist yet. Our great cookers are putting a lot of efforts into their ROM, but it's no use if we cannot find those.
The point would not be to rate the ROMs because everybody is not looking for the same kind of software. Brief informations like the WM build, the Sense version (if installed), the language and a small description field would be very nice already.

Thanks Alcibiade!
Later

Its a good idea. But anyone can update WIKI! So why not take the initiative?

ai6908:
I will look into it, didn't know that just anybody could edit/create wiki pages... I don't have a whole lot of time... so it might be a while.
Hopefully if I do this the cooks will participate.
Thanx

cameraddict said:
Seriously? Nobody else thinks this is a good idea? Everyone likes searching through dozens of topics, and wading through Hundreds of pages of replies to find basic data about a rom, and some user feedback? And does everyone here prefer to flash every rom under the sun to find the right one for them?
Don't get me wrong, in my spare time I am a gadget/tech lover. I love to tinker... again- if I have the time.
But there really does have to be a better way to narrowing down the list of potential roms one might want to try. I don't mind trying a few.....but not all.
Any body else with me on this? Or do I stand(type) alone?
Thanks
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you are worried about how much of YOUR TIME that YOU SPEND trying to find the right rom have you ever thought about how much time we chefs spend creating these roms? i can promise that flashing a few roms and reading through some threads is nothing in comparison to cooking a good rom. im speaking for myself here, but i think its pretty sad that you ask us to do MORE than we already do....its not like this is our job and we are on your payroll. make a wiki page if you want, but i will never participate.

and end of discussion...lol