would it be a good idea to allow cookers to create issue trackers in the wiki and link the page to the first page of their threads.
that way when someone has an issue/fix we can say "add it to the wiki" and they can see if the issue has already been reported and any fixes that users have associated with it?
it also give the cooker one place to look when they come to support that rom
Anybody can edit the Wiki, it wouldnt neccassarily need to done by the cooks, why dont you start it off and turn this useless thread into something contructive rather than another cloed thread!
shruff said:
Anybody can edit the Wiki, it wouldnt neccassarily need to done by the cooks, why dont you start it off and turn this useless thread into something contructive rather than another cloed thread!
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i know... that's the point! everyone can edit it for their issues. but we'd want the cookers to adopt the wiki page as their issue trackers.
I will create a page for the NRG 2.5 rom tonight.
FS plz dont lock this thread yet! something better might come out of it! ie a wider participation
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FS plz dont lock this thread yet! something better might come out of it! ie a wider participation
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I'll keep an eye on thread, and see as you say, if something better might materialize out of it. But, as you stated yourself, this would need to be adopted by a number of chef's for it to work properly.
Hi fallen spartan
I have created a wiki for two roms:
miri wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Miri_wm65_manila25
nrg wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=nrg_wm65_manila25
could you add them to the first posts of the two threads in rom development?
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Hi fallen spartan
I have created a wiki for two roms:
miri wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Miri_wm65_manila25
nrg wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=nrg_wm65_manila25
could you add them to the first posts of the two threads in rom development?
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Hi,
I noticed you had added links to the 6.5 ROM list on the Wiki. I updated the table just now and moved the column for the issies links nearer to the left. I also took out the language column as the table is getting too wide, and we can group the languages as shown in the revised table.
There is also a post about listing all the ROMs on the Wiki as this has not been kept up to date.
See the post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565960
I think I have captured all the WWE 6.5 ROMs which have active support for them by their chefs and they are listed on the Cooked Roms page
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
Let see what others think
made this post in another thread... (apology for cross-posting)
great idea! i'd like to offer the following suggestions:
add a column for ROM version. i know this is for 2.5 Manila, but miri may have 2-3 2.5 Manila versions in circulation at one time. standardized selections would be great (although i'm not sure it's possible)
consider adding a standardized "feature" column/tag. might help with searching or filtering responses. for example, a standard features list could include: SMS, Twitter, Weather, email, contacts, data connection, sounds, alarms, etc.
are these easy changes to make? i ask because i'm not familiar with the wiki edit process.
Good idea, i like it!
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made this post in another thread... (apology for cross-posting)
great idea! i'd like to offer the following suggestions:
add a column for ROM version. i know this is for 2.5 Manila, but miri may have 2-3 2.5 Manila versions in circulation at one time. standardized selections would be great (although i'm not sure it's possible)
consider adding a standardized "feature" column/tag. might help with searching or filtering responses. for example, a standard features list could include: SMS, Twitter, Weather, email, contacts, data connection, sounds, alarms, etc.
are these easy changes to make? i ask because i'm not familiar with the wiki edit process.
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good ideas cortez! I will organise the table better. google about writing in wikis. it is quite simple (this was my first wiki page i have ever created)
any other suggestions are welcome.
Jason1978 said:
Hi,
I noticed you had added links to the 6.5 ROM list on the Wiki. I updated the table just now and moved the column for the issies links nearer to the left. I also took out the language column as the table is getting too wide, and we can group the languages as shown in the revised table.
There is also a post about listing all the ROMs on the Wiki as this has not been kept up to date.
See the post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=565960
I think I have captured all the WWE 6.5 ROMs which have active support for them by their chefs and they are listed on the Cooked Roms page
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
Let see what others think
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thanks for doing this!
Guys the problem we have is two fold.
1) The Chefs are releasing new ROMs with increasing regularity
2) The Chefs rarely (and this isn't a pot shot) retrospectively fix issues in that ROM - they fix in subsequent ones.
I am fully for this idea but I see the above as massive problems to overcome for it to be useful. We risk putting Chefs of cooking ROMs but asking for such increases in bug fixing and ROM releases will naturally decrease with that.
I am not saying I either want this or don't - I am simply pointing this out. I have a number of issues with my current ROM that I would love sorting out...I don't want to be chopping and changing my ROM every two minutes in order to fix a small issue - however that being said, I also want Chefs to continue their excellent work.
Let's be careful and sensitive to what we are wishing for?
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Hi fallen spartan
I have created a wiki for two roms:
miri wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Miri_wm65_manila25
nrg wm 6.5 manila 2.5
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=nrg_wm65_manila25
could you add them to the first posts of the two threads in rom development?
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I'm not going to add something to these threads unless the creators Miri & NRG agree to it first. I have PM'ed them and will wait for their response.
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I'm not going to add something to these threads unless the creators Miri & NRG agree to it first. I have PM'ed them and will wait for their response.
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It's pointless in any case unless the cookers agree to use them as a bug issue priority list of sorts. I'm not sure that these guys have sufficient time to do that.
Having a list of issues is one thing....the list of fixes is going to be another entirely!
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I'm not going to add something to these threads unless the creators Miri & NRG agree to it first. I have PM'ed them and will wait for their response.
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thanks FS, miri has mentioned that he would add it to his first page
Wiggz said:
Guys the problem we have is two fold.
1) The Chefs are releasing new ROMs with increasing regularity
2) The Chefs rarely (and this isn't a pot shot) retrospectively fix issues in that ROM - they fix in subsequent ones.
I am fully for this idea but I see the above as massive problems to overcome for it to be useful. We risk putting Chefs of cooking ROMs but asking for such increases in bug fixing and ROM releases will naturally decrease with that.
I am not saying I either want this or don't - I am simply pointing this out. I have a number of issues with my current ROM that I would love sorting out...I don't want to be chopping and changing my ROM every two minutes in order to fix a small issue - however that being said, I also want Chefs to continue their excellent work.
Let's be careful and sensitive to what we are wishing for?
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Wiggz said:
It's pointless in any case unless the cookers agree to use them as a bug issue priority list of sorts. I'm not sure that these guys have sufficient time to do that.
Having a list of issues is one thing....the list of fixes is going to be another entirely!
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hey wiggz, while i understand your concerns i don't fully agree with them.
The idea of the issues tracker is different for different users:
People that don't have the rom:
these guys will be able to look at the issues and associated fixes (if any) and decide if they want to flash the rom.
People that have the rom:
They can look at the tracker and add new issues, track fixes and not have to flood the thread with things like "GPRS keeps connecting halp!!" after every two posts. Also, fixes can be given to a wider audience rather than someone saying "look a few pages back… this has been fixed"
Cookers:
Cookers can TRACK the issues, they can see what is wrong with the rom and either
A. fix it in this current rom
B. apply the fix or test the issue in the new rom
C. do nothing as there is no fix
The idea is that:
Duplicate posts will get reduced
Fixes get the visibility that they deserve
New roms can be regression tested by cookers, beta testers and normal users.
I think you got confused with "suggested fix"…. I am not asking miri/nrg or other cookers to fill out the form, it is for their reference.
The suggested fix is for ALL users to fill in. if the cookers/other users find a fix then the best place to put it is in the wiki and not on post #1006044 on page 1902309231
You dig?
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thanks FS, miri has mentioned that he would add it to his first page
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Miri has now added this to his thread. Still waiting on response from NRG
I totally get it - perhaps I was simply focusing on the negatives a bit too much.
The fact is when I'm looking at a new ROM I want as much information about issues as I can so I know whether to invest the time or not.
However more often than not my issues stem from small issues that arise in ROMs but are never fixed. For me, the EnergyROM Leo would be perfect if I could just send MMS messages (the 'fix' hasn't worked for me).
Related
To be on this list it has to be and has to have:
- No Official ROMs {In the wiki}
- No Stock/Shipped ROMs {In the wiki}
- No Carrier ROMs(unless its a cooked ROM for a certain carrier with the carrier branding left on)
- Non Beta/Non testing phase ROMs , we want stable ROMs so people can just come here and flash and be happy
Mods you can help to while I'm offline.
Also, Dev's can you PM me your cooked ROMs release thread or any changes you have made so I can update this thread quickly.
- - - -WIKI PAGE - - - -
Thanks for your generous work for the community,
Tito
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BlackStone ROM section updated and ran by the community.
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I have abandoned this project but it should be left open since its a great list.
Cooked Roms
SEE WIKI
see wiki
Lite roms
SEE WIKI
see wiki
Heavy ROMs
SEE WIKI
*A Heavy ROM is a ROM that looks and feels heavier than a cooked ROM, and usually has a lite ROM to go along with it. It usually has 3 times the amount of customization done and some have more applications available on it, it all depends. The term "looks and feels heavier" is in figurative speak. There are no biases to which one you want, its just a simple way to organize. Its like organizing rocks, big ones, small ones, and normal sized rocks. You may like the little ones, someone else may like the big ones, others might like the normal sized ones, its all up to preference.
This Months Top Ten Recommended ROMs
SEE WIKI
see wiki
Do you have latest official ROM from HTC?
WM 6.5 ROMs
SEE WIKI
see wiki
Thanks for creating such usefull wiki page.
I have updated some info on the PDAVIET rom I hope it will be easy for other people to understand. Thanks again.
Happy New year
No problem. All for the community .
please dont forget this roms
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=461357
Hi!
what is exactly a "Media/Feature-Rich ROM" referred into the wiki page?
Just to have one definition, i can only agree that Panosha and Laurentius26 are great ROMs (i used both) but i don't understand which features you are referring to in the webpage. Having one definition could make it easier to choose from.
Hmmm, let me put it this way, roms with extra stuff, tons more things in side.
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Hmmm, let me put it this way, roms with extra stuff, tons more things in side.
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Uhm ,
despite the fact that both are great ROMs, what you say is not true . For example, Dutty's has more features than those ROMs. Do you agree?
In terms of "things inside", I would rather favour an objective comparison table - if you'd have the time! - highlighting, for example UC compliance, IE6, Flash, free RAM, D3D, etc.
Not a big deal actually, but i feel that newcomers could be mislead...anyway, it doesn't matter since those ROMs are both good...
Oh . I have the time, just let me conjure up a little system and the ROM list will be fixed. I don't want to have any biases in my list.
I will probably have a little fix by the end of the day. Its 12:30pm where I'm at, so like around 3pm my time(I have few things I have to do so I will probably have it sooner.)
I will have to word the definition so its not misleading.
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Oh I just thought of this, what I think is great and what someone else thinks is great could be two different things, so I will have an additional list of a "this months greatest ROMs" that way, when there are tons and tons of ROMs people can have a convenient little list of 10 ROMs that people have voted the best for that month. Of course I'm not saying there are only a select few of ROMs that are good and the rest are trash, I'm saying that its like this months recommended ROMs.
Hmmm, anyone want to help me make this list better? I am thinking of having a team so when the big ROM rush comes we can take it on like cake.
Hey guys, ummm after today the list won't get updated for a while, as I won't be near a computer. So bear with me please thanks .
Tito
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A touch of HD {Offline, ROM no longer supported PM Cook for support} [V 2.21] - [WWE]
Puzuccel [V 1.18] - [WWE]
Black Pearl [V 1.1] - [WWE]
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Since today, Black Pearl became [V 1.2] - [WWE]
Happy New Year
Ok, guys I'm back. I have alot more work on the wiki, I thank who ever added the OS version to the list on my charts in the wiki.
Thank you for having added my rom to the list, and thank you for this usefull work
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Thank you for having added my rom to the list, and thank you for this usefull work
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No problem .
Well as many of you know I have 2 HTC HD'S and I do a lot of testing on cooked ROM's. Actually I usually flash each device 1-3 times a day. One of the things I noticed is there is a lot of questions in the ROM threads about problems with exchange server, activesync, GPS, bletooth etc which while they are part of the device but may not be due to ROM issues. I also see many new members overwhelmed at the list of new ROM's and trying to decide what to flash. So I have a idea which I think would be good for the community and to the cooks. Why do I spend so much time testing ROM'S? Well I'm Partially Retired from Engineering background and I love my gadgets. I live in Thailand (LOS) and run a small restaurant but I still like to be active with electronics and my gadgets. But most of all I like to share and hopefully be of help to someone.
A repository of all my testing on all the ROM's, and or by any cooks request. I use a very strict and standard set of guidelines to test all ROM's the same every time and equally as to get the best evaluation. The repository would also include detailed information on each ROM such as version numbers of ROM and programs etc, as to let people know what is inside the ROM. Also in the repository would be all of my testing methods and specific test I run on each ROM. All benchmark test and performance test will be calculated by an average of 3-5 tests for more accuracy. For ROM's that don't have specific features it will be indicated in N/A. I would also take request for specific testing on a specific ROM, by members and by cooks.
I have tested so many ROM's and I feel I have wasted much of my time as I can't share and inform people as I would like, in fear that people would think I'm being subjective to one or more persons ROM. So this would be a way for me to share all of my work to the community and it would be a good reference source for cooks to check on other ROMs without having to actually flash every one to see what is inside and what bugs are there.
Now my question to the members would you value such a source?
EDIT: Well after 2 weeks of insane searching and testing I have decided to Cancel the idea above. The big problem being with all the testing tools I bought and tried most of the differences between all ROM's are very small. There are some differences but to the average person looking at the results is just confusing.
The second thing is I have tried every way to build a report database of information but again it just doesn't work without being subjective.
The only part of this which was still worthy was the full list of what is included in each ROM. a Detailed list of all programs and versions and build numbers. Unfortunately this is not enough information alone.
I will still continue to do beta testing and I can do a detailed test upon request.
Good Idea
I think this would be quite useful although how a person finds a rom is quite subjective. I suppose if your listing the haves and have nots then the user can do with the information what they wish.
Great Idea
Hey wanna partner up to help make the blackstone cooked rom list better?
Dizzle said:
I think this would be quite useful although how a person finds a rom is quite subjective. I suppose if your listing the haves and have nots then the user can do with the information what they wish.
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Yes exactly, this is why I will have a very structured list of observation, test results, and general facts. I will want to refrain from making personal opinions as this is then subjective. For example one of the observations might be " Scroll smoothness 1-10 with 10 being the smoothest" I will also welcome a list of things from cooks as they feel would be important observations or test if I miss something.
...having an objective reference is always very useful, also for those that believe that there are many subjective elements to choose a ROM. It is a very challenging activity, and in my opinion it implies a lot of time investment to be done correctly. However, it is indeed "one of the greated ideas i've heard of".
brilliant, I take my hat off to people who can find time in their day to do this kind of thing.
Just dont forget to include which 3rd party apps would be used if any.
Thanks!
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Hey wanna partner up to help make the blackstone cooked rom list better?
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Ok Thanks, waiting a few days to see response and word from admin/mod
I think it is an excellent idea.
It would certainly answer a lot of questions before they are asked.
So many ROM's, so little time.
I think this is a wonderful ide.
I myself have problem to deciede wich of...probably 3 ROM I will use.
A list of have/have not comes very handy, and helps me decide which I will choose.
Just a question...
which is the best between, duttys 2.1 Extrem ROM, L26_THDV8.0_WWE Ultimate and Davideuck_V-2_HP,OS 5.2.21028?
This are the ones I choose from...and I can't decide wich is the best.
Another question...Is Rhodium good? Useful? Run smooth on HD.
I've seen some issuse with the home button, anything you have notice with Rhodium?
mndgz said:
brilliant, I take my hat off to people who can find time in their day to do this kind of thing.
Just dont forget to include which 3rd party apps would be used if any.
Thanks!
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i agree with this because much 3rd party apps scramble up the rom but do you have time to test al party apps or maybe help from users wich work and wich not and keep it updated
miniterror said:
i agree with this because much 3rd party apps scramble up the rom but do you have time to test al party apps or maybe help from users wich work and wich not and keep it updated
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To start I will test and report on Device functionality and software included in the ROM. If I have time I may take on more test as a separate individual request. This keeps the data I provide close to the same for every ROM.
miniterror said:
i agree with this because much 3rd party apps scramble up the rom but do you have time to test al party apps or maybe help from users wich work and wich not and keep it updated
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having said that there's only a handful of 3rd party apps that actually change or modify system files / settings and therefor are worth mentioning, I personally only use PhoneAlarm out of such...the likes of Resco Explorer I was using since the days of HTC Wizard and it never did any harm to any ROM
i agree that a factual objective measurement of each roms +/- qualities would be useful.
if you have the time and inclination to do such a thing, then do it
if the mod/admin team dont want to sticky it, why not create your own website with the info and link it in your sig? id happily link in mine also
although, L26 is still the best (in my subjective opinion )
good luck
jonajuna said:
i agree that a factual objective measurement of each roms +/- qualities would be useful.
if you have the time and inclination to do such a thing, then do it
if the mod/admin team dont want to sticky it, why not create your own website with the info and link it in your sig? id happily link in mine also
although, L26 is still the best (in my subjective opinion )
good luck
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Hi!
You said that L26 is the best in your opinion, have you tried Dutty Extreme or Davideuck_V-2?
I'm a bit torned between these three ROMs. I have only tried Duttys Extreme 2.1. These three seems to be the most popular ROMS, thats why I choose between these.
It wolud be very helpful if anyone who has tried these three to give me his/hers view of it.
Davideuck_V-2 seems good and also the new L26 V9.0 seems to be good.
The new Dutty Extreme 2.2 i comming, but nobody knows when. But this version (I think) will not have the new Rhodium
What is the differens between Rhodium and the old one?
Is it only the new start menu? Why should I take a ROM with Rhodium?
kille9 said:
Hi!
You said that L26 is the best in your opinion, have you tried Dutty Extreme or Davideuck_V-2?
I'm a bit torned between these three ROMs. I have only tried Duttys Extreme 2.1. These three seems to be the most popular ROMS, thats why I choose between these.
It wolud be very helpful if anyone who has tried these three to give me his/hers view of it.
Davideuck_V-2 seems good and also the new L26 V9.0 seems to be good.
The new Dutty Extreme 2.2 i comming, but nobody knows when. But this version (I think) will not have the new Rhodium
What is the differens between Rhodium and the old one?
Is it only the new start menu? Why should I take a ROM with Rhodium?
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Please what you are asking me to do is exactly what I don't want to do. Give a subjective opinion. Yes I have tried all of them more than once. Give me some time and I want to put in place detailed information for all ROM's that way you can see what fits your needs and make your choices. I like all the ROMs but for me to single one out is being subjective and this I will not do.
This is an excellent idea.
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Please what you are asking me to do is exactly what I don't want to do. Give a subjective opinion. Yes I have tried all of them more than once. Give me some time and I want to put in place detailed information for all ROM's that way you can see what fits your needs and make your choices. I like all the ROMs but for me to single one out is being subjective and this I will not do.
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Thats ok!
I think many of us is eager to find out what you know about the diffrent ROMs.
There are many ROMs out there. And every ROMs is improving with every release. It's hard to keep up which to choose.
And it also looking that every one is on the verge to release a new version this couple of days. So I think we all need your knowlege ASAP.
So please start the thread soon.
Thanx for the iniative!
Review template ?
Stats are good but as others have said, they can be subjective.
If each user filled in a form (online) where there were categories such as user type, main use for phone, technical aptitude, and then ratings for different categories, it would be possible to extract meaningful results.
For example
User type [professional] [casual user] [gadget freak]
Main use for phone [surfing] [work] [as a phone] [showing off]
Technical aptitude [n00b] [can follow instructions] [program for fun] [professional coder]
Graphics Performance [rating out of 100]
Ease of use [rating out of 100]
Responsiveness [rating out of 100]
Battery Life [rating out of 100]
Desirability [rating out of 100]
Appearance [rating out of 100]
You get the idea. New users and existing users could search these results based on their own priorities, worthy roms could then be chosen etc.
Just my 0.02
SlyT
What an excellent idea, I'd really appreciate an imparital viewpoint on the different ROMs
i`m not sure if i`m breaking any rules by posting this but i`m new on this forum and i have only one problem .. when i`m trying to search for a rom i have ten's of results and onlyt 10 % of them give me what i want .. and sometimes not even thoes... i found a thread in the themes and app section whit known apps working on the touch hd etc ..
could someone make something like this for the roms ..
it`s a nightmare to search for a rom ..
this could be verry helpfull .. just "stick" the thread to the top of the forum and there a moderator or anyone who wants the job could post every existing rom and the link to it ..
no description .. just something like this :
name(dutty`s r4),(miri`s etc) win 6.5 .. build 2****
link (or something close to this)
the reason for wanting this is because whenever i`m trying to search for something i`m spending literaly hours trying to find the rom, app etc ..
thank`s for the answer .. what ever that is
first, let me welcome you to xda! what information are you searching for? your best bet is to read the 1st-10th posts of each ROM thread for details on the the ROM. reading the first few posts of each thread and then posts after the posted ROM release date (usually in the thread title) is the approach i use to get feedback.
cortez.i said:
first, let me welcome you to xda! what information are you searching for? your best bet is to read the 1st-10th posts of each ROM thread for details on the the ROM. reading the first few posts of each thread and then posts after the posted ROM release date (usually in the thread title) is the approach i use to get feedback.
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i`m starting to get my way around .. but it`s still a bit confsing sometimes .. because it seems that every chef after releasing a new rom he is just posting it in the previews threat without starting a new one .. and sometimes it`s quite confusing .. in the same threat you find 2 3 5 roms everyone diferent builds and it`s not always easy to gues witch is what .. anyway this could be a good ideea .. at least 50% of the users here don`t use english as their base language and it`s not easy for all to find what they are looking for... i started this thread because it was trying to find miri`s build 23053 test .. i was hoping to find`it in a new title but i found`it in a older thread .. somewere at the bottom of the post.. realy hard considering i had screenshots from older builds and the title was saying something else .. anyway .. i would startit myself but i`m away form my pc about 12 hours a day (not counting the sleep )and don`t have the time
thanks for the reply and please excuse my bad english
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i`m starting to get my way around .. but it`s still a bit confsing sometimes .. because it seems that every chef after releasing a new rom he is just posting it in the previews threat without starting a new one .. and sometimes it`s quite confusing .. in the same threat you find 2 3 5 roms everyone diferent builds and it`s not always easy to gues witch is what .. anyway this could be a good ideea .. at least 50% of the users here don`t use english as their base language and it`s not easy for all to find what they are looking for... i started this thread because it was trying to find miri`s build 23053 test .. i was hoping to find`it in a new title but i found`it in a older thread .. somewere at the bottom of the post.. realy hard considering i had screenshots from older builds and the title was saying something else .. anyway .. i would startit myself but i`m away form my pc about 12 hours a day (not counting the sleep )and don`t have the time
thanks for the reply and please excuse my bad english
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Its not a bad idea, but it would also be very time consuming. You have to remember that a benchmark thread already exists which gives some information on each rom already, but not to the extent your seeking. Why not have a go at creating this thread yourself and add to this site. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate your effort.
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Its not a bad idea, but it would also be very time consuming. You have to remember that a benchmark thread already exists which gives some information on each rom already, but not to the extent your seeking. Why not have a go at creating this thread yourself and add to this site. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate your effort.
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love to .. but like u said it would also be very time consuming .. and i don`t really have the time .. i will give`it a try .. but don`t be surprized if the thread apears after 2-3 months ...
im away from home 12 - 13 hours a day and that`s why i invited someone else to give`it a go .. i just came with the ideea
so who ever reads this and wants the job .. go ahead .. a lot of people will love you after the thread`s release
I've re-opened this thread.
Hopefully others want to help and assist this quest. I'll watch thread closely and if it develops I may sticky it. But its a long way off this for now.
Good luck
Hello
I am willing to give this a try.
I would first like to hear how it would be best to do it because it could quickly get messy.
So feel free to post your suggestions.
I would then be able to asess if i can really manage it.
Jay
j1978 said:
Hello
I am willing to give this a try.
I would first like to hear how it would be best to do it because it could quickly get messy.
So feel free to post your suggestions.
I would then be able to asess if i can really manage it.
Jay
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I would suggest making a google documents account, and setting up a spreadsheet. Make it open access to all, and arrange with ROMs down the side and details along the top. You could have sections for different authors with their ROMs all in one place. Once you have a bare bones structure, invite people to contribute and publish the address of the spreadsheet.
Good luck, it's a great idea. I would also invite proposals for what column headings you have (eg it would be good to have votes so particularly successful ROMs could be identified.)
I'm also lost in the world of rom's
for a start:
what should be in the spreadsheet?
Name of the rom
Language
Version
On what WM is it based
Date of release
programs installed
Known problems and if they're solved
stormyb said:
I'm also lost in the world of rom's
for a start:
what should be in the spreadsheet?
Name of the rom
Language
Version
On what WM is it based
Date of release
programs installed
Known problems and if they're solved
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Hi
everything ok besides the last suggestion that would be to difficult i think.
Will post back on updates
Jay
Hello
ok Here is a barebone first try. Please view and suggest improvements. If you would like access to edit and add roms please post here or Pm me.
Jay
There was a page on the Wiki that was kept up to date:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
This doesn't seem to have been updated for some time.
Surely this is the best solution, a sticky in the forum which links to the Wiki, and that page is kept up to date.
Maybe the Wiki main page should have details and links to the latest ROM version for each ROM out there, and each one has a link to a page which has previous links in there. These ROMs could be grouped by Chef, and give the Chef an oppotunity to write something brief if they wish.
I do agree that is it very annoying that new threads are not started when a new version of a ROM appears as all the comments relate to when the thread was first started.
I would be happy to be in a group of people to keep the Wiki up to date...
Maybe we need to make it easy as well for the Chefs to notify moderators of the Wiki cooked ROMs page they have release a new version.
Jason
I wouldn't mind allowing someone access to editing Wingster and adding a Touch HD section to my website. I need someone who is dedicated and has time to keep it updated though.
Any takers? The website is (www.thewingster.com)
Jason1978 said:
There was a page on the Wiki that was kept up to date:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
This doesn't seem to have been updated for some time.
Surely this is the best solution, a sticky in the forum which links to the Wiki, and that page is kept up to date.
Maybe the Wiki main page should have details and links to the latest ROM version for each ROM out there, and each one has a link to a page which has previous links in there. These ROMs could be grouped by Chef, and give the Chef an oppotunity to write something brief if they wish.
I do agree that is it very annoying that new threads are not started when a new version of a ROM appears as all the comments relate to when the thread was first started.
I would be happy to be in a group of people to keep the Wiki up to date...
Maybe we need to make it easy as well for the Chefs to notify moderators of the Wiki cooked ROMs page they have release a new version.
Jason
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Hmm indeed the wiki seems to be the most logical solution.
Jay
I had just picked up on this thread and was about to comment on the spreadsheet and the fact that I'm sure a Wiki page was updated once upon a time and low and behold, it's been posted!
The fact is whilst many people are fluent with cooked ROM's, there are MANY more that have a number of valid reasons for being sceptical and wanting specific information before trying.
My personal belief is that the Wiki would be the best solution for this as it can be edited by all.
However I think a mandatory standard should be introduced. Something along the lines of:
ROM Name|OS Ver|Win Release|Manila Ver & Build|Features (top 5?)|Known Bugs (Cooker) | Community common issues|
Just something like this to get some sort of understanding.
For instance, in most of the recent ROMs there seems to be an issue with MMS but the cooker doesn't necessarily agree that it's a ROM issue, hence the community common issues section.
I'm working off my own experiences here however. I personally want to know what device it will work on, what the OS and Manila versions are, what the features are but what the tradeoff to known bugs are if I flash this ROM.
One last thing - Whilst I understand that many of the cookers have other things that are ongoing and therefore get to their ROM's as and when they can and again provide support where they can, I have seen very little support for their ROM's as they know there is another around the corner. That to me is the biggest issue for people wishing to jump into the world of cooked ROMS - the ability to know exactly what they are and aren't getting. Standard ROMs provide that and hence the comfort it brings.
Comments & thoughts?
Wiggz said:
However I think a mandatory standard should be introduced. Something along the lines of:
ROM Name|OS Ver|Win Release|Manila Ver & Build|Features (top 5?)|Known Bugs (Cooker) | Community common issues|
Just something like this to get some sort of understanding.
I'm working off my own experiences here however. I personally want to know what device it will work on, what the OS and Manila versions are, what the features are but what the tradeoff to known bugs are if I flash this ROM.
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Hello
A mandatory standard is definitly needed for the Wiki.
I guess we now need to form a team/group of people who are willing to invest some time in updating the wiki.
As for what you say on rom support, the rom thread gives you a lot of info it would also add a lot of work on an already ambitious project.
The main goal here is to provide a single place where you can see and find all available roms.
Jay
j1978 said:
Hello
A mandatory standard is definitly needed for the Wiki.
I guess we now need to form a team/group of people who are willing to invest some time in updating the wiki.
As for what you say on rom support, the rom thread gives you a lot of info it would also add a lot of work on an already ambitious project.
The main goal here is to provide a single place where you can see and find all available roms.
Jay
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Well count me in - I'm willing to be a part of this. I really feel that for the "average user" there is very little that they can get at quickly and effectively. If you are a power user you can go through the whole "editing of manila files" and the other titbits in the threads but the fact is most people don't expect "normal" functions to be interrupted by new ROMs...they expect enhancements with no reduction in usability. I understand that there is a trade-off, but i think that trade-off should be immediately understood and available for all users to see.
Same here....
I have started tonight compiling some of the ROM details...
I could add a new table into the Cooked ROMs Wiki page with where I am up to and so people can get an idea of the layout I am proposing?
Personally I think there should be a table per WM version, and also per language, although I have concentrated efforts firstly on WWE.
I also would group in the table by Chef, listing their variants next to each other, each on a different line, but light, standard, heavy builds of the same variant that are usually on the same thread should be on one line, I think we can span the lines in the table on the Wiki so it looks right. The main table should only have latest links, and maybe another Wiki page with previous links, that we move when a new one comes out, so a record is kept where possible.
The column where the name of the ROM series is will link to the thread, with the download links having its own column if possible (maybe with light, standard, heavy if applicable)
Mods: Can you advise on posting links to other sites, i.e. with Dutty etc going to HTCPedia. Some of these Chefs generate a lot of interest, dont really want to exclude these...
Thanks
Jason
EDIT::
I have updated the cooked ROMs page, added a new table near the top, only WM6.5 ROMs WWE versions.
Not an extensive list yet, and some missing information as threads dont have some detail:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms
Need to decide on whether the columns are suitable and whether there is more information that would be handy, and/or any other revisions to the layout. If anyone is aware of any of the missing information, that would be great, just go ahead and fill it in...
MODS: Could do with a new thread with a sticky, pointing to the cooked ROM Wiki page once we have sorted it out please.
Chaps,
Now I have put an example table on the cooked roms wiki page, can everyone who is interested take a look and see if we can make this wiki useful...
Thanks
Hello
Nice work! but as you might have noticed there is allready a wm 6.5 section so now we have two.
altough anyone can edit the wiki i was advised by the Mods to first compile the data and then when we have most of the info edit the wiki .
so i suppose we should focus on editing the google spreadsheet i set up.
If anyone wants access please post here.
P.S Jason and Wiggz please PM me a google username so i can add you to the list.
Jay
Saw a list in Wizard forums and found a thread of all the roms which is a good way of organizing all the roms but I hate the endless scrolling so I put up this google docs to kinda sort it out. Check out see if you think it works. Are there any other criteria that should be included.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tBctimfdK9NM5awAG-Xnwpw&single=true&gid=0&output=html
P.S. all the links are to the rom threads not the roms themselves
update: added a latest changes column instead of comment column
97 views and no replies guess it's not worth the effort to update and maintain this.
Well, I think it's a good idea dude, cheers for the work!
I second that
It is a great idea, I am just thinking of an easier way for you to do it because I could see where that would be a pain.
yeah I'd like to have it internal to the site but don't know how to do that and easily edit it.
Nice! Thanks and appreciate the effort to put it together - it is a pain reading through threads to get a view of what is out there!
dancnpete said:
Saw a list in Wizard forums and found a thread of all the roms which is a good way of organizing all the roms but I hate the endless scrolling so I put up this google docs to kinda sort it out. Check out see if you think it works. Are there any other criteria that should be included.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tBctimfdK9NM5awAG-Xnwpw&single=true&gid=0&output=html
P.S. all the links are to the rom threads not the roms themselves
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Excellent idea. Thanks alot.
1st i have 3 different roms check my signature
2nd i think you must add the language wwe
because i see 2 roms in the list one is SWE and the other is multi language
3rd great work
This is the same problem I am running in to with my mirror.
Im trying to update the mirror with new ROMs most days (ok, have now for nearly a week... work has to come first)
The only field I dont have at the moment (although I have been meaning to add it in) is the TF3D version
If cooks what to upload their own ROMs to my mirror they are MOOR than welcome as it will save me time while tring to upload the rest...
I dont have a RS account so it can take along time to download all these new ROMs
b16b said:
1st i have 3 different roms check my signature
2nd i think you must add the language wwe
because i see 2 roms in the list one is SWE and the other is multi language
3rd great work
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thanks, for the support, I can't always tell the language, I added the column and will correct as appropriate. I also organized the list by developer so I could easily make sure I have all the roms each developer.
thanks again.
i think theres a thread aboot it already.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=557177
no update since 9/11
well I will try to keep this up to date as long as there is interest, I've changed the rating column to stability because that is a lot less subjective.
update: added a latest changes column instead of comment column
still looking to keep this list alive.
hugely useful
thanks!
tGo
why not cooks update the wiki with thier rom info....i know there are some who do that already. that way we dont have to wait for one person to updat stuff!
Benchmarking/speed
for me right now I need the fastest ROM available, Could we add a column for overall speed? Like, startup time, windows folder list time, etc?
i wonder why you dont update the wiki:O
espacially this
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Rhodium
just put it in there.. what do you think a wiki is for? fun?
compare to this one ...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Raphael
what do you need googledocs for:O
I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?
In before the abuse.
There are plenty of Windows Mobile 6.5 ROMs out there but unlike desktop operating sytems there are many many different versions.
Even official roms are going to have bugs, all we can do (as Touch HD users that will likely never get an official 6.5 rom) is find an active chefs whose work we like and give feedback on their releases...
...although even then I doubt we can "fully test" them.
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I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?
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agree with E Punk... the chefs test as best they can then it's up to us. when i hear "fully tested", i think of a high-level test strategy, detailed test plans (positive/negative tests), unit test, integration test, use case, debug-fix, user-acceptance-test, more debug-fix, etc., etc. that's simply a lot of work... once we get a hold of a ROM, load it, use it and report findings the chefs can review posts to look for consistent errors and those are generally fixed pretty fast. bottom line: if we wanna play, we have to be willing to accept that there will be bugs, behavior quirks or whatever you want to call it. the problem some of us have is knowing when to STOP flashing, lol!!!
i think that a version without major bugs will be out when htc releases official winmo6.5 rom updates for touch diamond2 and touch pro2, as those phones share 99% hardware with our hd
wm6.5 Downloads
Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?
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Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?
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With all due respect, I can only assume based on your post count that you are new to the HD, you need to read this forum more. Find the wiki and and read it. I was on this forum for 4 months before I flashed my first rom. Windows 6.5 is not meant for our HDs. A lot of the issues that people are complaining about may or may not affect you. I have no problem with daily use with most of the roms I read and read before and after I flash. I don't expect anyone else to do the dirty work for me but there will always be someone who gets there before me. All these posts are inundated with "does this feature work" or "in the last rom I could do this can this rom do it". I know it is a pain in the backside to flash you phone all time but that is why we are hear. If you are just wanting the perfect rom then you are probably in the wrong place.
I hope this does not come across to hard but I read this forum almost every day. The best advice I can give you is to read then read some more. Or you could end up with an expensive brick.
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Hi all
It is all very well 4 u experts. All these talk about flashing rom and WM6.5. However, no mention of where really this WM6.5 download is, the guy on youtube points to places that do not exist on xda developers site. I open Mary one thing it does not show any of the things he talks about. Also the hard spl he talks about caused me to waste 2 full days trying to restore my phone to its original function. Yes it was grbaged until with pere=severance I figured out a simple download to restore it. Can any one please make simple straight forward steps to find the WM6.5 download?
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had myself a HD for a week, and with the help of XDA wiki flashed it (like about 50 times right now). Just read, and if you need any help just pm me
7896zx said:
I am just wondering if the chefs are going to be making a fully tested windows mobile 6.5 rom anytime? If they will, will there still be bugs in them and especially the lock screen?
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This isn't an attack.
You don't understand the extent to which a cook has control over most bugs (or doesn't). Most of the bugs you see in the ROMs you're looking at are way beyond the cooks control. Remember, they don't have the source code -- they can't fix the software. What they can do is look for updated versions from the developers that might have fixed a problem (but maybe introduce new ones). The biggest control chefs have is over things that can be controlled in the registry: things like visual layou, etc. In addition, some optimization options are available when packaging the ROM, however, I'd advise that you just understand that 6.5 is still an unreleased beta product (even if plans for release have been finalized) at this point.
Your friendly community (volunteer) chefs have done all they can to bring us interesting samples of this upcoming product. The bugs are not a result of lack of testing at all.
Rob
dhatw said:
With all due respect, I can only assume based on your post count that you are new to the HD, you need to read this forum more. Find the wiki and and read it. I was on this forum for 4 months before I flashed my first rom. Windows 6.5 is not meant for our HDs. A lot of the issues that people are complaining about may or may not affect you. I have no problem with daily use with most of the roms I read and read before and after I flash. I don't expect anyone else to do the dirty work for me but there will always be someone who gets there before me. All these posts are inundated with "does this feature work" or "in the last rom I could do this can this rom do it". I know it is a pain in the backside to flash you phone all time but that is why we are hear. If you are just wanting the perfect rom then you are probably in the wrong place.
I hope this does not come across to hard but I read this forum almost every day. The best advice I can give you is to read then read some more. Or you could end up with an expensive brick.
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Judging from how "4" and "u" are not words, and the way this unknown "youtube" guy has given him the impression that he's a representative of xda-dev, I'd say he's new the HD, and somewhat new to life -- maybe 14 or so years old.
Reminds me of the tone that AOL users had when they first came onto the "Internet". They used to angrily demand tech support for the Internet from ops in IRC as if those people worked for some "service" that they were paying for. Oh, those were the days.
Your advice was perfect.
Rob
Slightly going off orginal query topic which has already been answered well in my opinion by both Electronic Punk & cortez.i. Not much else needs to be discussed on that topic
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