Anybody working on gameboy advance emulator like the iphone has or working on NES emulator coz i would love to have them on phone. I want to have some good games on my phone like the iphone has bowling, basketball, accelerometer racing(all using 3d engine) coz as android is amusing me day by day it is also getting a bit boring. i would happily pay $10 fo such games. Please somebody develop or just give me a hint how to develop. Can work for them days and nights.
well it all comes down to developement... the only way this will happen is if someone develops it hehe.. i second your thoughts eventhough i don't have a android...
personally i think the phone should be utilized to it's potential, granted i like what the phone can do, but i would love to see it do more, i don't usually download games, but i have a few and would download an nes/gba emulator if it was made, i love playing excitebike on the nes, i will keep an eye on this thread and hopefully we can get one up and running.
There are a couple of nes/gameboy color emulators out there but they really don't work well. The framerate at highest was 10 fps and no sound. From what I understand, the java side of android (java layer) seems to slow down everything game/video related. My old HTC Wizard (aka tmobile mda) 200mhz processor, 128 MB memory runs NES at full speed and almost runs SNES. This is because java isn't used in the WM emulator and the g1 uses it all the time. Since most of us have root access now, may be java can be bypassed and we can run games/video at a faster speed but that would be extremely difficult. A version of Quake 1 was used in a demo before the g1 was released and ran quite well but it was never released and allegedly ran independently from the OS. BUT if they could do it... why can we? It would be tough but it is possible.
Agreed. And the issue isn't just that the SDK is reliant on Java, but the Android implementation of Java is interpreted - so it is far slower on comparable hardware than a typical Java implementation.
What would fix the issue would be if an organization formed to promote alternate Android SDKs with supporting firmware. It would need some standard libraries that developers could leverage, and ideally it would support installation via the Market (or another Market-like app). Hopefully Google would merge the resulting interaface into the main Android codebase, but even if they didn't people with rooted phones could use the non-Davalik applications.
Just do it.
I don't know how to develop anything. i can just give ideas. Someone in this world should be able to do it. So that person please do it. G1 is one of the best phones and it is a shame for it to not do it.
i would love gameboy or NES (or, even better, SNES..) on my G1.
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Agreed. And the issue isn't just that the SDK is reliant on Java, but the Android implementation of Java is interpreted - so it is far slower on comparable hardware than a typical Java implementation.
What would fix the issue would be if an organization formed to promote alternate Android SDKs with supporting firmware. It would need some standard libraries that developers could leverage, and ideally it would support installation via the Market (or another Market-like app). Hopefully Google would merge the resulting interaface into the main Android codebase, but even if they didn't people with rooted phones could use the non-Davalik applications.
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Superb idea.
rich0 said:
Agreed. And the issue isn't just that the SDK is reliant on Java, but the Android implementation of Java is interpreted - so it is far slower on comparable hardware than a typical Java implementation.
What would fix the issue would be if an organization formed to promote alternate Android SDKs with supporting firmware. It would need some standard libraries that developers could leverage, and ideally it would support installation via the Market (or another Market-like app). Hopefully Google would merge the resulting interaface into the main Android codebase, but even if they didn't people with rooted phones could use the non-Davalik applications.
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Is it possible to run apps with a decent UI from within Mono on Android?
Have you checked out Mystique on the market from Bendroid? Its a 3d game.
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I am ready to give support of anykind if anyone agrees to develop.
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Have you checked out Mystique on the market from Bendroid? Its a 3d game.
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True, Mystique is 3d and I didn't realize they had it for android. It's been around for a while now and remeber playing it on my htc wizard. It's a rpg game and doesn't require a high framerate from what I remember. There are a few 3d games for android but they are pretty simple and don't use a ton of resources. I'm sure this can happen and some developers are working on emulators. Android is still pretty new and sure everything is more difficult when java is concerned (as far as performance goes, not actual development) but it will happen. Just takes more time when compared to an older, more widely used OS such as Windows Mobile.
Anybody Trying
Anybody trying to develop it.
There's a few 3D games on the Market, heck I wrote one of them(the first one in fact). The problem when it comes to GB and NES and SNES shouldn't be processing power so much, the G1 can clearly handle graphics that are closer to being on par with N64, the problem is that it has to run any games for those systems as emulations, so basically you have a software version of GB/NES/SNES processor running on a software version of a Java processor(virtual machine) running on the real hardware.
Forgot to say: This should be extremely possible if someone can write a program for android in an actual binary(written in C/C++) and deployed a normal app that just called an execute on that binary. That said, I've never delved into emulators so we'll have to wait until some enterprising person who knows about writing such things does so.
The Kid GBC app only plays gameboy color games but i have been able to get pokemon games to play at about 16 fps on parts so whoever developed it should be asked more questions about it and how he got it to do that.
Looks like its not impossible to run native C programs on the G1...
http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/13/android-native-apps
now if only we could figure out how to access the graphics APIs
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The Kid GBC app only plays gameboy color games but i have been able to get pokemon games to play at about 16 fps on parts so whoever developed it should be asked more questions about it and how he got it to do that.
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His source is open. http://code.google.com/p/kiddgbc/
anybody
What about BASEBALL SUPERSTARS 2009. Anybody going 3d
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There's a few 3D games on the Market, heck I wrote one of them(the first one in fact). The problem when it comes to GB and NES and SNES shouldn't be processing power so much, the G1 can clearly handle graphics that are closer to being on par with N64, the problem is that it has to run any games for those systems as emulations, so basically you have a software version of GB/NES/SNES processor running on a software version of a Java processor(virtual machine) running on the real hardware.
Forgot to say: This should be extremely possible if someone can write a program for android in an actual binary(written in C/C++) and deployed a normal app that just called an execute on that binary. That said, I've never delved into emulators so we'll have to wait until some enterprising person who knows about writing such things does so.
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Well Nintendo DS's use ARM processors like the G1 I know, and IIRC many other systems do as well. I don't know if they have the exact same assembly languages, and the GPU would be tricky. If the assembly langauge is compatible they could use a VMware style emulation where instructions are executed natively as much as possible. The big gotcha would definitely be the GPU. So there's a chance for DS emulation atleast, maybe, possibly.
With it's touch screen a G1 would be ace at emulating a DS interface wise.
IANA assembly level programmer yet so I may be full of crap, and emulators are tricky business so who knows?
just a quick bump...
has anyone heard any new developments with gaming emulators in Android recently?/
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As you know, there are very few 3D games on the G1, but it is a very powerful phone. We have seen a few like Mystique and iPingpong3D, but not enough. By porting Quake to Android, we can release the code to other devs and let them mod it however they want. Multiplayer support is also an area where Android is lacking and we aim to improve that.
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We would all love to see this done but we haven't even seen a proper NES/gameboy emulator that will actually run with sound. Quake would be pushing it, big time. But who knows... in time, may be. It ran once before the G1 release (some youtube video out there) but never reappeared after the release. Java seems to be a huge road block for 3D games on Android, not the hardware.
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We would all love to see this done but we haven't even seen a proper NES/gameboy emulator that will actually run with sound. Quake would be pushing it, big time. But who knows... in time, may be. It ran once before the G1 release (some youtube video out there) but never reappeared after the release. Java seems to be a huge road block for 3D games on Android, not the hardware.
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I don't see how java is a problem here? With the api you use the hardware directly, it's not like you have to use software rendering or hardware emulation like the NES thing.
The Neocore Demo in the Market shows off some pretty nice 3D Cinematic Action. I'd imagine that Quake could go OK. Quake ran on these minimum specs:
Processor:
Intel Pentium(R) 75 MHz processor or betterMemory:
DOS -- 8 MB RAM required (16 MB recommended)Win 95 -- 16 MB RAM required (24 recommended)
Well that's good news! I know little about java, this just what I heard. Good to heard this won't apply to quake development. Still a little disappointed about the nes emulators, I guess. Clouded my judgement. More of an artist than a programmer. Good troubleshooting tech though. May be in a year or so, we'll have good nes/gameboy/snes emulation along with quake! Still such a new platform....Android has some potential with 3D.
I had started a 3D game as my first Android Project. A "port" of the iPhone app Ivory Tiles. I figured it would be a relatively simple way to dive into 3D, and the Android platform. I was getting close before I kind of lost interest and moved on to other things. I may revisit it if I find the time.
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I had started a 3D game as my first Android Project. A "port" of the iPhone app Ivory Tiles. I figured it would be a relatively simple way to dive into 3D, and the Android platform. I was getting close before I kind of lost interest and moved on to other things. I may revisit it if I find the time.
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Ditto with my game "Flyer", although for me I started working(had just graduated from college when I started it) and have run out of time. I'd love to keep working on it, though, just need to find the time. Been thinking about trying to add texturing and such to make it look nice and improving the AI and maybe charging for it but we'll see.
Why is porting Android to the Kaiser such a hot topic in the Kaiser forums?
I've tried the various versions on my Kaiser and also a G1 and I gotta say... I just don't get the hype. When compared to Windows Mobile, Android is very limiting. Even though it's not so proprietary as, say, one of the older Samsung phones or an iPhone... it still limits what you can do with your phone. It's like Android's way or the highway. Windows Mobile allows for so much customization and is so much better than both iPhone and Android OS's.
Do others feel much differently than I do? I just want to know why I'm missing the mark with all the Android hype.
I can see your point, winmo does require less 3rd party apps, more video formats , more apps, more features ect. Winmo wasnt built for phones in-mind, it's based off Windows CE, which has been running on embedded systems for along time using the ARM cpu. Probably the reason why it acts like more of a small computer. Certainly Android looks much better graphically than windows and the interface is a much easier and faster to navigate. The UI can be better suited for the screen size and for touch input. Customization wise, Winmo and Android are pretty close, but I'd give it to Android. Though, it's harder to customize android than it is to windows. Open gl 1.1 works in Android for kaiser, and has no drivers for the gpu in winmo.So it's basically what you want in a phone..a pocket pc, Or Modern Smart Phone..I want the Modern Smart phone until WinMo7 combines the 2.
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I can see your point, winmo does require less 3rd party apps, more video formats , more apps, more features ect. Winmo wasnt built for phones in-mind, it's based off Windows CE, which has been running on embedded systems for along time using the ARM cpu. Probably the reason why it acts like more of a small computer. Certainly Android looks much better graphically than windows and the interface is a much easier and faster to navigate. The UI can be better suited for the screen size and for touch input. Customization wise, Winmo and Android are pretty close, but I'd give it to Android. Though, it's harder to customize android than it is to windows. Open gl 1.1 works in Android for kaiser, and has no drivers for the gpu in winmo.So it's basically what you want in a phone..a pocket pc, Or Modern Smart Phone..I want the Modern Smart phone until WinMo7 combines the 2.
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I suppose you're right about winno as a "mini pc" versus android as a "modern smart phone". I'm kind of a techie, which is probably why I like winmo better than Android. I guess I'm just a die-hard Microsoft fan.
i just hate the fact that people tend to eat from a ball nd then spit into it! to me MS is the mother of modern life. look at their OS in comparison to the rest! i believe that they managed to bring windows with all its great UI, add ons, customization to mobile
phones. people r just too ignorant to know which mobile OS is best. but techies know which system to use! dont let the masses rule. leave it to the experts! way to go democracy!
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Why is porting Android to the Kaiser such a hot topic in the Kaiser forums?
I've tried the various versions on my Kaiser and also a G1 and I gotta say... I just don't get the hype. When compared to Windows Mobile, Android is very limiting. Even though it's not so proprietary as, say, one of the older Samsung phones or an iPhone... it still limits what you can do with your phone. It's like Android's way or the highway. Windows Mobile allows for so much customization and is so much better than both iPhone and Android OS's.
Do others feel much differently than I do? I just want to know why I'm missing the mark with all the Android hype.
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I agree. also what is with the media saying "windows mobile is so far behind that is will never catch up" the media is slanted.
A lot of progress is being made as android OS has now been ported to iphone 2g and 3g. Wondering if we could do the reverse on the Nexus? Now before I get flamed or whatever, its not that I want an Iphone or think its better, just like the choice is all....
http://gizmodo.com/5533312/iphone-3g-shown-running-android
iphone os isn't open source. and, a nexus one user, why the hell would want to install iphone os ?!?
call me selfish lol never used an iphone but thought it would be cool...smh ok was a thought, back to drolling over my nexus....
Wrong section, and the last comment is correct that iPhone OS isnt' open source so we'll never see it openly available. You should learn C++ and port it for us!
I agree
One of the things, the world doesn't need: an iphone os port for nexus one xD
applications
I think the best and only reason to have the iphone OS is to have so many different applications.
I wonder if there is a way to somehow boot up iphone applications on an android phone using some sort of compatibility mode? That would be ideal and give us the best of both worlds, a crazy amount of apps and android.
the prediction is 75,000-100,000 android apps by 2010. how many more apps do you need?
This iPhone isn't completely closed source. The kernel is open, and that's likely where most of the porting work would need to go anyway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
go ahead and dream, dont come crying to me when apple Legal dept rips off your head and funnels in feces from Jobs himself when you actually do port it
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go ahead and dream, dont come crying to me when apple Legal dept rips off your head and funnels in feces from Jobs himself when you actually do port it
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Why would the OP come to you and cry? are you a lawyer?
porting another operating system to a machine that you personally own will not get you into trouble.
You can limit yourself upto only provide instructions on how to do this, and not by distributing the actual image in public, you will not get in trouble for it.
I am no lawyer but a paralegal in IP.
I would agree that this is infact a good project, and/or i would even dream of porting Winmo to have a triple boot in our (What google states as the Developers phone = Nexus one).
Don't get me wrong, Android is Awesome, but having more options is always better!
It is like a PC compared to a Playstation
In Playstation, you are limited to playing PS games.
In a PC, besides the PC games, you can also play different kind of PS, Gamecube, PS2, etc. emulators.
iphone apps
I guess the amount of iphone apps does not really apply to my desire to have a compatibility mode to run them. Just the types of apps. I'm a medical student and as the iphone has much more support on this front, I think it would be quite beneficial be able to run the apps that aren't ported over to android. I hope that things will change however and more medical applications will be made for android soon. It's just a matter of time really...
I don't want the entire iPhone OS because its stupid.. if someone could reveal their scrolling physics, it would be great....
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Why would the OP come to you and cry? are you a lawyer?
porting another operating system to a machine that you personally own will not get you into trouble.
You can limit yourself upto only provide instructions on how to do this, and not by distributing the actual image in public, you will not get in trouble for it.
I am no lawyer but a paralegal in IP.
I would agree that this is infact a good project, and/or i would even dream of porting Winmo to have a triple boot in our (What google states as the Developers phone = Nexus one).
Don't get me wrong, Android is Awesome, but having more options is always better!
It is like a PC compared to a Playstation
In Playstation, you are limited to playing PS games.
In a PC, besides the PC games, you can also play different kind of PS, Gamecube, PS2, etc. emulators.
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Apples licensing agreements for their software stipulates that they only be run on specific hardware.
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Apples licensing agreements for their software stipulates that they only be run on specific hardware.
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Better yet, by law "Illegal Distributing of such" will be prosecuted and punishable by law.
as such, licensing agreement does not constitute unless it is being publicly distributed.
Although, realistically this port will never happen and if it will, i am not convinced that it will be very soon.
how about, FU*K the fruit maker, and do what ever we like..
only distribute an possible port in secret..?
But i really doubt this will ever happen, but an emulator or somthing similar for the apps would be NICE..
Doing so will be a giant backward step.
how about, FU*K the fruit maker, and do what ever we like..
only distribute an possible port in secret..?
But i really doubt this will ever happen, but an emulator or somthing similar for the apps would be NICE..
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how about, FU*K the fruit maker, and do what ever we like..
only distribute an possible port in secret..?
But i really doubt this will ever happen, but an emulator or somthing similar for the apps would be NICE..
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I totally agree.. I mean android market is getting bigger each day and getting more popular as verizon's advertisements for the android keeps getting better.
but, to be able to run iphone apps to our beloved nexus one will be a big achievement as there are still lots of iphone apps that i wish to be developed for Android as well, like my favorite Dakeno!
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Just because the Android Market is growing, that doesn't necessarily mean that anything is exactly getting better. Apple is still beating us in the game department, and due to their sponsors - they have apps that are like... important? Or, well, more useful to some..
I don't know if Android will ever reach that polished level the iPhone has, regarding to apps that is. I don't even play games really on my phone, if they looked up to par.. then maybe. Android is progressing, though.
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Just because the Android Market is growing, that doesn't necessarily mean that anything is exactly getting better. Apple is still beating us in the game department, and due to their sponsors - they have apps that are like... important? Or, well, more useful to some..
I don't know if Android will ever reach that polished level the iPhone has, regarding to apps that is. I don't even play games really on my phone, if they looked up to par.. then maybe. Android is progressing, though.
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Your comparing an OS that is in its Third/Fourth Iteration to one that is in its Second. To say that iPhone OS 2.0 was fluid and completely polished would be a huge lie. Back then, it did not have the ridiculous catalog of apps that it does now, nor was it as fast as it is now. In time, when Android reaches 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, ect, you will see Android reach a level of polish that the iPhone OS has. Right now, Android is seeing a huge increase in market-share. With this will come developers. With developers, more quality apps will come. Android has the momentum to do it. I would believe that Android will become polished by the end of the year, possibly early next year based off of its growth and progression.
Alright guys. I'm getting a new laptop for school next year, and I can get basically anything that I want. I don't really want a Mac, because quite honestly, I'd end up installing Windows on it and never using the iOS. So, what computer would you choose (laptop, anyone you want!). I've been looking at The Lenovo IdeaPad Y540 with the RapidDrive. Any suggestions?
toshiba satellite laptops are good. my sister has one. it's good, and not too expensive.
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Alright guys. I'm getting a new laptop for school next year, and I can get basically anything that I want. I don't really want a Mac, because quite honestly, I'd end up installing Windows on it and never using the iOS. So, what computer would you choose (laptop, anyone you want!). I've been looking at The Lenovo IdeaPad Y540 with the RapidDrive. Any suggestions?
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Get one of thw intel i5 i3 and something else ones.
I have i5 and i3 blazing fast and HP!
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Alright guys. I'm getting a new laptop for school next year, and I can get basically anything that I want. I don't really want a Mac, because quite honestly, I'd end up installing Windows on it and never using the iOS. So, what computer would you choose (laptop, anyone you want!). I've been looking at The Lenovo IdeaPad Y540 with the RapidDrive. Any suggestions?
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Go to the dell website and customize a laptop to whatever you want, you know, choose your own: processor, ram, hardrive space, graphics card etc.
I customized an inspiron 1525 a whil back and its running nicely
how about the best of both worlds , getting a macbook to show around and get the honeys in school , and having it dual boot windows at home to get some work done (when nobody sees you , ofc)
I use Lenovo Thinkpads normally. They are awesome. I really like their customer service. It's really IBM, but they are very patient and knowledgeable.
Well, you'd never use iOS on a Mac anyways, since iOS doesn't run on Macs (except in the emulator as part of the iOS SDK).
It is all about what you need. I'd get a Dell and run Ubuntu on it if I wasn't relying on certain Mac OS X software. Oh wait, I have a Dell running Ubuntu that I use a lot, in addition to my MacBook Pro.
The problem is you don't specify your needs at all, there is no best computer. I love my MacBook Pro and I love my Dell. And I'd happily recommend either of them to you, or several other machines - depending on your needs. So, what do you need?
I'd advise against getting a Dell Inspiron. There's a design flaw in the hinge where the case starts to spread apart; my girlfriend, mother, and roommate all have the problem and it started just after a year of owning their laptops. If you're already looking at Lenovo and you really can "get pretty much whatever you want" I'd suggest looking at a ThinkPad, the build quality is much better than the IdeaPads.
What are you exactly planning to do with the laptop?
You might need extra graphics muscle for vid editing our gaming.
Go for something with a sandy bridge. I'll be somewhat futureproof.
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how about the best of both worlds , getting a macbook to show around and get the honeys in school , and having it dual boot windows at home to get some work done (when nobody sees you , ofc)
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Seconded.
Or you can just boot Windows and say;
"I REALLY love the hardware, but Mac is sooooo last picosecond ago."
Otherwise, go for an ultraportable.
http://goo.gl/TDMgh
This one.
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Seconded.
Or you can just boot Windows and say;
"I REALLY love the hardware, but Mac is sooooo last picosecond ago."
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Have you ever actually USED OS X? Like I said, a computer is a tool. OS X provides the core foundation to do things Windows users can only dream of. Want me to blow your mind? I can show you videowall and blended projector setups running all in software (plus some Matrox TripleHead2Go's) doing things that required thousands of dollars worth of video processing hardware five years ago.
Granted, that's a rare application, but the same benefits apply to lower-level programs too. Mac OS has had true, full system-wide color management since the first OS X release. Windows? Their new, much-touted color management is about on the same level as Mac OS 9 was - 11 years ago.
Apple has done a great job providing creative professionals with an amazing platform. Sadly, it seems like they're abandoning us in favor of the content consumers and iOS. We shall see. But for right now, it's the best thing out there for the needs of many creative professionals.
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Have you ever actually USED OS X? Like I said, a computer is a tool. OS X provides the core foundation to do things Windows users can only dream of. Want me to blow your mind? I can show you videowall and blended projector setups running all in software (plus some Matrox TripleHead2Go's) doing things that required thousands of dollars worth of video processing hardware five years ago.
Granted, that's a rare application, but the same benefits apply to lower-level programs too. Mac OS has had true, full system-wide color management since the first OS X release. Windows? Their new, much-touted color management is about on the same level as Mac OS 9 was - 11 years ago.
Apple has done a great job providing creative professionals with an amazing platform. Sadly, it seems like they're abandoning us in favor of the content consumers and iOS. We shall see. But for right now, it's the best thing out there for the needs of many creative professionals.
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Have you ever actually USED Windows 7? Like I said, a computer is a tool. Windows 7 provides the core foundation to do things Mac users can only dream of. Want me to blow your mind? I can show you 16xAA and 4xAF graphics on SIX monitors (plus some sick DirectX 11 tessellation) doing things that required thousands of dollars worth of Mac hardware five months ago.
Granted, that's a common application, but the same benefits apply to lower-level programs too. Windows 7 has true 3d games since its release. Mac? Their new, much-touted app store is probably 4 to 5 years behind.
Microsoft/AMD/ATI/NVidia/Intel has done a great job providing gamers with an amazing platform. Sadly, it seems like they're abandoning us in favor of the content consumers and consoles. We shall see. But for right now, it's the best thing out there for the needs of many gamers.
FTFY.
Um, not sure if it was your intent, but you only proved my point. Different uses need different tools. We've got Windows 7 sitting and running up at the church on two machines that have replaced our sound boards (both front of house and monitor mix) and much of our effects and processing gear. Software Audio Console by RML Labs. Great product, and runs fantastically well on Windows 7. The developer is a bit of a nut, and he himself is always complaining about what Microsoft does poorly in Windows (especially in regards to memory management, which he notes is tuned more towards most processing power, not lowest latency like one desires in a live audio application). Regardless, he's managed to get Windows down to a few milliseconds of latency, and he has the whole setup working very, very well.
So, you proved my point. Windows 7 is a great gaming OS. I never said it wasn't There's a lot more to this world than games, but if games are what you want, the Windows 7 is where it's at - though OS X is catching up. It's definitely had "true 3D" since release. Right now the two big issues are drivers that aren't really tweak-able - and tuned more towards rendering accuracy than performance; and the actual support of developers (though both have improved a lot in the last year).
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Um, not sure if it was your intent, but you only proved my point. Different uses need different tools. We've got Windows 7 sitting and running up at the church on two machines that have replaced our sound boards (both front of house and monitor mix) and much of our effects and processing gear. Software Audio Console by RML Labs. Great product, and runs fantastically well on Windows 7. The developer is a bit of a nut, and he himself is always complaining about what Microsoft does poorly in Windows (especially in regards to memory management, which he notes is tuned more towards most processing power, not lowest latency like one desires in a live audio application). Regardless, he's managed to get Windows down to a few milliseconds of latency, and he has the whole setup working very, very well.
So, you proved my point. Windows 7 is a great gaming OS. I never said it wasn't There's a lot more to this world than games, but if games are what you want, the Windows 7 is where it's at - though OS X is catching up. It's definitely had "true 3D" since release. Right now the two big issues are drivers that aren't really tweak-able - and tuned more towards rendering accuracy than performance; and the actual support of developers (though both have improved a lot in the last year).
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I'm just trying to say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Whatever platform that you use, as long as you are happy with it. I will not begrudge you if you decide to buy a Mac for legitimate reasons (graphics editing, etc.), but a Windows PC for me is a much better deal. Maybe its because I've grown up around Windows, so I'll never get the "need" for an overpriced and underspec'd computer.
And, yes, my PC is kinda heavily modified
Glad we could find a middle ground
Get a Macbook Pro, At least you wouldn't be getting those annoying updates and useless Norton Anti-virus notification. I been a pc user for more than 10 years and Os X is really not bad like people make it out to be.
sakai4eva said:
I'm just trying to say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Whatever platform that you use, as long as you are happy with it. I will not begrudge you if you decide to buy a Mac for legitimate reasons (graphics editing, etc.), but a Windows PC for me is a much better deal. Maybe its because I've grown up around Windows, so I'll never get the "need" for an overpriced and underspec'd computer.
And, yes, my PC is kinda heavily modified
Glad we could find a middle ground
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I think if you'd shop it, you'd find Macs aren't bad for what you're getting, price wise. There are things that have value people don't mention. Things like the glass screen on laptops (hard to damage and easy to clean - sadly, also REALLY bad glare) and the large full-multitouch glass trackpad... it's a joy to use, easy and fast.
As for the desktops, Mac Pros are crazy pricey at first glance. But when you look closer, they're using server (Xeon) processors and server-grade components. Which makes almost no difference in performance, but it does legitimately add a fortune to the cost. Apple needs a true desktop machine. But if you compare it to other machines using the same components, pricing is similar or better.
The big thing is that Apple has no low-end, cheap-built, high-performance machines. Their machines are all made THEIR WAY. No choices. 1984 style, even. I do not like that, but when looked at in the broader market, it's not so bad - Macs are one of many choices to find the best tool for each job. Windows is also one of many choices. I spend much of my time on a Dell in Linux
BTW, I wasn't even talking graphics editing. Though the color management engine makes Macs great for that. Next time you go to a concert and see walls of video screens behind the stage and stuff like that, and you assume there's a ton of fancy video gear, there might not be. The software exists, on Mac OS X, to do that all in software today. And the software exists, on Windows, to mix sound all in software, today. And the results, in both cases, are as good as traditional hardware solutions.
Sorry I have't posted back guys. But I ended up ordering:
Toshiba Portege r700
Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
Intel i7 @ 2.67 GHz
4 GB DDR2
120 GB SSD
Fingerprint Scanner
HDMI Out
13.3 inch widescreen
The SSD and DDR2 was important to me since I will be a computer engineering student. I love it. Fast, extremely thin (for all the guts) and just as light as my girlfriends MB Air.
Thanks for your help.
Sent from my DROIDX
Sounds like a nice machine, but I question why you wanted DDR2, and not DDR3. I'm just a noob though.
ASUS G51J works GREAT for gaming and school
Should i enter the world of windows?
Without knowing more about what you look for in a smartphone, and what services you already use, it's going to be really hard to make a useful argument.
I mean, practically everybody here uses WP, and many of us have been using it since WP7, and many used WinMo before that. So in general, we're obviously biased in favor of WP. But there's probably all kinds of related things there. For example, we probably haven't dropped a bunch of money on Android or iOS apps, so we don't have that reason to use a different platform. We probably don't rely too heavily on Google services; although some of them work quite well on WP the integration is obviously better on Android. On the other hand, we probably do use OneDrive, OneNote and so on, where the integration is a lot better on WP. We're also more likely to have an Xbox Music pass (what used to be called a Zune Pass), and WP is the only phone OS that can make use of that.
If you care a lot about Xbox Live gaming, then WP is a good choice; it's the only phone platform I know of with XBL support, and there are many games on WP that give XBL achievements and Gamerscore. If you like hacking, it has less malware than Android but is a little more open than iOS, although due to the relatively few people hacking on it progress tends to be slower than on iOS. On the other hand, with relatively few people hacking on it, you can be a big fish in a small pond if you can come up with new hacks or make existing ones work better. Cortana appears to be more powerful (and with better voice recognition) than Siri, and more reliably useful than Google's equivalent. It's easy to get early OS updates if you don't feel like waiting for carriers that drag their feet. WP runs better on low-end phones than Android does, and you can get better battery life out of the same hardware.
Seriously, without more idea of what you're looking for, it's really not going to be easy to tell you. The things that I like about the platform may be completely unrelated to the things you would like.
thanks for you reply
my primary needs in a smartphone are.
1) Camera (i like clicking pictures)
2) Social Networking
3) Gaming
I've used my brothers lumia 520 and found it great. The camera itself was great though its of 5MP.
On the other hand i've also used an android phone and i liked it too playin Clash of Clans all the time
I've not owned a smartphone till now.
And aware of not entering the flagship devices.
I just need a premium midrange phone .
For windows i've opt for L730
and for android the new Moto G 2nd gen.
So what should i do now...
The lumia got that fabula design ahead when compared to moto g
the camera too is great on lumia.
But the moto g has got the things to entertain you when you get bored.
Exploring android is awesome indeed.
You've got CoC when you need to waste time, torrent to download movies.
Dead Trigger to kill zombies
So what should i do?
I like both the device
and my needs are partially separated in bothe the device.
But i just need one to go with.
Give me your help
GoodDayToDie said:
Without knowing more about what you look for in a smartphone, and what services you already use, it's going to be really hard to make a useful argument.
I mean, practically everybody here uses WP, and many of us have been using it since WP7, and many used WinMo before that. So in general, we're obviously biased in favor of WP. But there's probably all kinds of related things there. For example, we probably haven't dropped a bunch of money on Android or iOS apps, so we don't have that reason to use a different platform. We probably don't rely too heavily on Google services; although some of them work quite well on WP the integration is obviously better on Android. On the other hand, we probably do use OneDrive, OneNote and so on, where the integration is a lot better on WP. We're also more likely to have an Xbox Music pass (what used to be called a Zune Pass), and WP is the only phone OS that can make use of that.
If you care a lot about Xbox Live gaming, then WP is a good choice; it's the only phone platform I know of with XBL support, and there are many games on WP that give XBL achievements and Gamerscore. If you like hacking, it has less malware than Android but is a little more open than iOS, although due to the relatively few people hacking on it progress tends to be slower than on iOS. On the other hand, with relatively few people hacking on it, you can be a big fish in a small pond if you can come up with new hacks or make existing ones work better. Cortana appears to be more powerful (and with better voice recognition) than Siri, and more reliably useful than Google's equivalent. It's easy to get early OS updates if you don't feel like waiting for carriers that drag their feet. WP runs better on low-end phones than Android does, and you can get better battery life out of the same hardware.
Seriously, without more idea of what you're looking for, it's really not going to be easy to tell you. The things that I like about the platform may be completely unrelated to the things you would like.
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i don't have xbox either
cabba403 said:
thanks for you reply
my primary needs in a smartphone are.
1) Camera (i like clicking pictures)
2) Social Networking
3) Gaming
I've used my brothers lumia 520 and found it great. The camera itself was great though its of 5MP.
On the other hand i've also used an android phone and i liked it too playin Clash of Clans all the time
I've not owned a smartphone till now.
And aware of not entering the flagship devices.
I just need a premium midrange phone .
For windows i've opt for L730
and for android the new Moto G 2nd gen.
So what should i do now...
The lumia got that fabula design ahead when compared to moto g
the camera too is great on lumia.
But the moto g has got the things to entertain you when you get bored.
Exploring android is awesome indeed.
You've got CoC when you need to waste time, torrent to download movies.
Dead Trigger to kill zombies
So what should i do?
I like both the device
and my needs are partially separated in bothe the device.
But i just need one to go with.
Give me your help
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You can actually torrent on wp, but if ou really like gaming on your cellphone you're better off with an android, just make sure the specs are high enough!
matgras said:
You can actually torrent on wp, but if ou really like gaming on your cellphone you're better off with an android, just make sure the specs are high enough!
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but i love Lumia too !
cabba403 said:
but i love Lumia too !
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Windows phones are absolutely fantastic on my opinion and any other OS just doesn't feel right, there are a lot of games on wp but android simply has more.
But it's up to you to decide