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newb quest whats the difference tween touch2d and 3d

so whats the difference animated weather?
what are the pros and cons of using either?
or are they really just the same?
let the flames begin
I searched touchflo2d vs 3d and couldnt find any info
so sorry in advanced if it was already covered else where.

hmmmmm.....lets see here
Pro's of TF3D:
Great Animation
Great Graphics
Accurate Weather(its fun too )
Fast
Cons:
Not the easiest thing to configure
Takes a while to get everything working properly and fast(Flashing a ROM and all of that)
Landscape
Pro's of M2D:
Works on any device
Is easy to config
Just as fast as TF3D
Weather is ok but not very animated
Cons:
2D Graphics are not the best
Landscape

More importantly right now, with M3d you can't put your phone into standby while it's running. And on my phone it ran like a dog!

guess you havent read my thread about TF3D on our kaisers

kaiserII101 said:
hmmmmm.....lets see here
Pro's of TF3D:
Great Animation
Great Graphics
Accurate Weather(its fun too )
Fast
Cons:
Not the easiest thing to configure
Takes a while to get everything working properly and fast(Flashing a ROM and all of that)
Landscape
Pro's of M2D:
Works on any device
Is easy to config
Just as fast as TF3D
Weather is ok but not very animated
Cons:
2D Graphics are not the best
Landscape
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ah
my 1st attempt at getting tf3d to install on my stock rom was a failer it just kept looping loading touch here to load and would freeze up and never load. I did a hardreset and I got 2d to load.
so with t3d it needs to be installed on top of a cooked rom it wont run on a stock 6.1 rom?
can you get both options to show up under home options or is it 1 or the other. I like play with my apps and switch back and forth till I decide which one works best for me being able install both would ber great less trouble hardrestting each time I wqant to compare.
thanks for replying

you cant have both M2D and TF3D both installed....in my signature there is a link covering a lot on TF3D and yes it has to be a cooked ROM.

I use L26 TF3D Rom V4 and even though it is a little annoying to have to kill (turn off) Manilla everytime you want to put your phone to sleep, it is a great rom. My question is this. What is the difference between Manilla and Throttle? I tried searching but perhaps I did not search correctly. Thanks everyone.

kaiserII101 said:
you cant have both M2D and TF3D both installed....in my signature there is a link covering a lot on TF3D and yes it has to be a cooked ROM.
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Ah thanks I thought I followed all the instructions in your t3d thread correctly.
I just got my tilt so will wait a few weeks (atleast till the 90 warranty runs out) before I start flashing cooked roms to it. Im using a ported blackstone m2d rom on my wizard and refuse to use the old htchome screen on my new phone
thanks for the help I would have spet the next few days trying to get t3d to work on my factory rom.

kaiserII101 said:
guess you havent read my thread about TF3D on our kaisers
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Ooh - no. That thread must have started about a week after I last tried TF3D and I missed it! I'll have to give it another try now.... (damn you )

New to Diamond2, just required some basic help.

Hi everybody, I recently got a Diamond2 and found that the enormous amount of expertise and help available at xda-developers have really helped me enjoy this phone. The phone is not locally supported by any carriers or retailers in Canada so the availability of these forums have been a real help. I've run through most of the issues I've had with the phone (really like the Pro2 Interface better but was way to bulky) but have a few remaining that I haven't been able to find satisfactory answers for, hope you guys will be able to help.
I've downloaded and played around with what seem to be most of the prerequisite softwares: Advanced Config Tool, Klaxon, Changescreen etc. and have also made a couple of registry modifications to enable TF3D rotation and things like that. Here is where I'm getting into a bit of trouble. Although changescreen is a great app I just don't like to install a lot of things on my device and decided to try the regedit. After a soft reset it seemed to work great but was quite slow in switching over to landscape and back. At first I though this was a problem with the g-sensor so I opened up Opera to try it out and found that it was much faster. Obviously it's a lot less graphically intense but I was playing around with a Touch Pro2 before I bought the Diamond2 and it is also significantly faster, with the same processor and everything. I've tried to reduce the sampling time for the g-sensor down from 200ms to 100ms in ACT but that didn't really seem to help. Also I get some really weird lines across the tops of TF3D pages in landscape; in the All Contacts page for example the bar that contains "Search Contacts" will have at least three sets of distorted lines across it at regular intervals across the page. The wallpaper also seems to malfunction as instead of staying as it was, it will stretch across the width of the screen and as a result become extremely distorted. The dialer doesn't go into landscape but that seems to be a common issue. I've downloaded the Rhodium Phone Dialer although I haven't had a chance to install it yet, maybe that will fix the dialer issue.
I do have some app installed that changes the background of all tabs to be the same and this seems to have messed with the transparency of the tab bar and, occasionally the phone will fail to respond to screen swipes that would usually cycle through the tabs without using the tab bar. Maybe this app is also causing the other problems.
The help on these forums has already been a great asset and I was just hoping that I would be able to get some simple fixes for the issues with the landscape thing without having to install more software. Thanks in advance for any help, its all appreciated. Cheers.
PS, rom is 1.39.421.0 (47382) WWE

what you can do to improve things:
1. ditch stock rom and use tess rom
2. install flipit for rotation software - its better than the rest IMO

Thanks for the quick reply
Thanks for the quick reply, sorry I wasn't able to reply right away, got a bit busy at uni.
I was a bit apprehensive about installing a new rom but the one you recommended is amazing. The speed increase alone is unbelievable, doesn't even feel like the same device.
Everything is working great and the rotation is really fast now on everything except TF3D. It almost looks like it attempts to rotate and then fails. The title bars rotate around and then rotate back. I've added the regedit, manually removed and added it back into flip_it, but nothing seems to be working. Aside from that everything else seems perfect. Hope you'll be able to help, and once again, thanks.

oh yeah.. forgot to mention about manila in landscape
go to search and look for At0mAng & Danny_and_2 TF3D2 Tweak cab for topaz
install, and in the list of programs, there is option called Manila Rotate ON.
and thats it, you are all set...
hope this helps

joseph.sapri said:
1. ditch stock rom and use tess rom
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Can I ask where to read and get this rom?
I am also new to Topaz.
Running on stock ROM
been reading around. reading on the various rom threads to decide which to use.
I am looking for something stable, fast (aren't we all?) and 6.1. Still got Manila and hopefully with Titanium built in. Also if possible with ringtones removed.
What would you recommend?
Thanks

Goondu said:
Can I ask where to read and get this rom?
I am also new to Topaz.
Running on stock ROM
been reading around. reading on the various rom threads to decide which to use.
I am looking for something stable, fast (aren't we all?) and 6.1. Still got Manila and hopefully with Titanium built in. Also if possible with ringtones removed.
What would you recommend?
Thanks
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tess = topaz essential
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529260

Almost there
Thanks for the tip about the tweak program, installed it and followed your directions, manila is now rotating. However, its still incredibly slow; in the range of 3-5 seconds for transition to landscape and then around 1-2 seconds back to portrait. Also, those distortive lines I described earlier are back.
I was hoping for the kind of speed seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPVgN5QuzO4 but I do realize that its a different rom. I've disabled and enabled TF3D and also done a soft reset, but no speed increase. I was thinking it may be a hardware issue but everything else works fine. One thing I have noticed though is that since installing this rom some programs get stuck half rotated and the other half of the screen will display the TF3D home page. Once again, thanks for all the help so far.
P.S. If I disable TF3D the blank today screen will rotate at the same speed as in that video if not faster. Also before when the menus rotated but not TF3D they were rotating at the same fast speed.

yes, I know what you mean.. at this stage, manila rotates pretty slow for me too...
I guess at the moment, we have to live with it... the slow rotation only happens on tf3d2 rite? the rest is ok...
as with hardware issue, I am sure it is not, cause topaz is still relatively new...
btw, Manila 2.1 is around, and manila 2.5 is coming too... so, maybe they would give better performance .
btw, the youtube link is a rom made by Tom Condon, and as you probably know, he is very active in building rom for topaz too... why dont you give him a message, or try his rom...
Tha

sorry double post again..

Sounds good
Glad to know that it wasn't just a one off issue. I'll give his rom a shot, was kind of wary b/c of the comments that said WM 6.5 was slow. Would you be able to direct me to somewhere that I'd be able to download TF3D 2.1 alone without a rom upgrade or anything or maybe even cooked into the TESS rom. Thanks for the incredible quick reply and for all the help so far.

mukhan said:
Glad to know that it wasn't just a one off issue. I'll give his rom a shot, was kind of wary b/c of the comments that said WM 6.5 was slow. Would you be able to direct me to somewhere that I'd be able to download TF3D 2.1 alone without a rom upgrade or anything or maybe even cooked into the TESS rom. Thanks for the incredible quick reply and for all the help so far.
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if you follow tess forum, then the next release would have manila 2.1

Thanks
Ye, sorry about that didn't quite follow the forum all the way, I guess I'll be waiting. Thanks man.

[13.11.09] Touch-IT Leo v10 Multilang -discontinued at xda

Welcome to Touch-IT Leo v11​
I am removing my roms due to conflicts with certain members at xda, this looks like it cant be solved in normal ways. And because I do not want anymore of the bickering and fighting, I am pulling my work from XDA and all support is moved to you know where. I cant even mention that name anymore here.
Sorry to see this happen here, where I have learned so much, and met so many wonderful ppl.

I'd really like to try this rom except that there is no landscape support.. that kinda ruined it for me.
Do you know if you might make a similar rom (including twitter and footprints), with landscape support?
- Chainy

I'll reply on itje's behalf: NO!
See, the thing is that LEO doesn't have landscape. It's not created yet, it doesn't exist yet, it's not available yet. Buy hopefully it will be by the end of the year? Blame it on HTC

I don't think I'm going to use this just yet, but very very nice. Love the twitter tab.

Does it still use the vulcan (X2) drivers?

actually, i will prefer facebook tab more..
nice rom anyway, itje, thx

no landscape?
maybe it's time to write down what "no landscape-support" actually means in daily use:
landscape is working fine in windows itself (settings etc) and
in standalone-apps (opera, skype, whatever...).
it is not implemented into manila by htc yet, so if you slide the keyb out on let's say home-screen, you'll just see a black background.
but:
in manila, landscape is working in:
- writing messages (sms, mail) - you can write with your hw-keyb
- viewing pictures in album
- playing videos in album
i think the fact "no landscape" sounds worse than it actually is. of course it would be nice to have it, but during daily use it's lack is hardly noticable.

caliban2 said:
maybe it's time to write down what "no landscape-support" actually means in daily use:
landscape is working fine in windows itself (settings etc) and
in standalone-apps (opera, skype, whatever...).
it is not implemented into manila by htc yet, so if you slide the keyb out on let's say home-screen, you'll just see a black background.
but:
in manila, landscape is working in:
- writing messages (sms, mail) - you can write with your hw-keyb
- viewing pictures in album
- playing videos in album
i think the fact "no landscape" sounds worse than it actually is. of course it would be nice to have it, but during daily use it's lack is hardly noticable.
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I agree..
I really dont see the big fuzz about it

caliban2 said:
maybe it's time to write down what "no landscape-support" actually means in daily use:
landscape is working fine in windows itself (settings etc) and
in standalone-apps (opera, skype, whatever...).
it is not implemented into manila by htc yet, so if you slide the keyb out on let's say home-screen, you'll just see a black background.
but:
in manila, landscape is working in:
- writing messages (sms, mail) - you can write with your hw-keyb
- viewing pictures in album
- playing videos in album
i think the fact "no landscape" sounds worse than it actually is. of course it would be nice to have it, but during daily use it's lack is hardly noticable.
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I second that. Nice ROM (again!)

suggestions
1. Rostrain claims to have 100% landscape working in his ROMs (something to do with his g-spot! "g-spot mod is a button.when u press it it executes scripts that only a gsensor does..so we have the landscape that only gsensor phones have!")... I have no idea.
2. Is it possible to have 4 icon column menus in your roms please (takes too long to scroll all the way to the bottom).
3. Is it possible to have a scroll bar in the menus (again quicker to scroll to the bottom and also so you know where you are in the menu)
Many thanks for your time.

rawr... itje is always full of surprises... am gonna wait for this cool rom!!

wow... ! just need landscape

Looking forward to this ROM. Should be good ^^
WinMo 6.5 is slowly growing on me. Just as long as it's quite fast and smooth.

AbuGWM5 said:
1. Rostrain claims to have 100% landscape working in his ROMs (something to do with his g-spot! "g-spot mod is a button.when u press it it executes scripts that only a gsensor does..so we have the landscape that only gsensor phones have!")... I have no idea.
2. Is it possible to have 4 icon column menus in your roms please (takes too long to scroll all the way to the bottom).
3. Is it possible to have a scroll bar in the menus (again quicker to scroll to the bottom and also so you know where you are in the menu)
Many thanks for your time.
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1. Rotastrain has modded the manila version he has..so if that is wanted/needed..get a cab for it..I do not like making roms with to much "modding" I prefer to keep it as close to original as possible. Its easier to keep track of bugs from HTC..if I should not keep track of other ppls bugs coming with the mods aswell
2. No, I make the roms the way I like it, and that will not change. Also.. I dont enjoy the 4 column way, and neither do I like to many folders...
3. No, not possible

itje said:
1. Rotastrain has modded the manila version he has..so if that is wanted/needed..get a cab for it..I do not like making roms with to much "modding" I prefer to keep it as close to original as possible. Its easier to keep track of bugs from HTC..if I should not keep track of other ppls bugs coming with the mods aswell
2. No, I make the roms the way I like it, and that will not change. Also.. I dont enjoy the 4 column way, and neither do I like to many folders...
3. No, not possible
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I like your ROM because you keep it as close to original as possible.
Thanks in advance.

rom(s) up now
two versions
build 23016 and build 23053
have fun

itje said:
rom(s) up now
two versions
build 23016 and build 23053
have fun
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Bravo.... i hate the new versions with the start button at the bottom

which one has the new start bttons and which doesnt? ive fallen behind with winmo builds

HazzBazz said:
which one has the new start bttons and which doesnt? ive fallen behind with winmo builds
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23053 -> new start button at the bottom
23016 -> old start button

One question - is mms working? I ask that because i have problems in some ROMs with Manilla 2.5....

What's with the manila rotation?

Why did it suddenly disappear from all the ROMs?
Even Rota's has only photo and music rotation, AFAIK

Landscape on LEO manila 2.5 is not fully implemented by HTC, the cooks are unable to fix that. Only the photo and music tab supports it at the moment.
If you need landscape, there's a CAB for landscape SMS in Leo or go for a manila 2.1.

I'm sorry, but how many times have people been over this? HTC didn't implement landscape mode into Manila 2.5, except for Music and Photos tab. And even then, it ONLY works with phones that have a G-Sensor, so not the X1.

madindehead said:
I'm sorry, but how many times have people been over this? HTC didn't implement landscape mode into Manila 2.5, except for Music and Photos tab. And even then, it ONLY works with phones that have a G-Sensor, so not the X1.
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So it's an issue that came with the 2.5? I know I'm looking dumb but I want to fully understand this and I suppose there are others like me that are confused.
It was in 2.1 but not in 2.5? We should wait for HTC to do that?
cykalu said:
Landscape on LEO manila 2.5 is not fully implemented by HTC, the cooks are unable to fix that. Only the photo and music tab supports it at the moment.
If you need landscape, there's a CAB for landscape SMS in Leo or go for a manila 2.1.
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As for G-Sensor, G-Spot should cover that but there still remain all the other tabs.
In the end, is patience the answer of my problems?

HTC ONLY does Manilla rotation for its keyboarded devices.... so until there is a release of Manilla for a Leo Pro, they'll be no oem rotation in the latest Leo builds of Manilla.
IMO, just another reason to ditch inefficient Manilla for either PointUI, or SPB

Ersill said:
So it's an issue that came with the 2.5? I know I'm looking dumb but I want to fully understand this and I suppose there are others like me that are confused.
It was in 2.1 but not in 2.5? We should wait for HTC to do that?
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It's not an issue. It simply isn't supported. There isn't any need for it yet, as the HTC HD2 (Leo) doesn't have a slide out keyboard. So there is no need for a landscape home screen really. There is landscape support on the music and photo tabs, as some people may like to browse their photos and music that way.
When/if HTC decide to put Manila 2.5 on a Pro device with a keyboard, then we might see landscape mode for the other tabs. As of yet, there is nothing, and there will be nothing until HTC make it so.
It is not a bug, it is not an issue. HTC didn't make it yet, as the HD2 doesn't need it.

the interesting point is that I still can not find a ROM with manila 2.1 which has no bug .... because it's very important for me to be able to rotate the screen in manila ....
energy ROM has some bug with sms botton ... I've got really confused ....

ashkan_mc said:
the interesting point is that I still can not find a ROM with manila 2.1 which has no bug .... because it's very important for me to be able to rotate the screen in manila ....
energy ROM has some bug with sms botton ... I've got really confused ....
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Tell me about getting confused, there are several roms with 2.1 manila that has full support on landscape, if it didnt have, then the cook hsa done a error (unlikely) or its disabled by the cook (rather unlikely too)
But a bugfree rom will only be a reality in your dreams im afraid, cause there is no such thing. Not from us, or HTC nor SE..
I have not tested other chefs roms in here with manila 2.1, but mine sure do have landscape

ashkan_mc said:
the interesting point is that I still can not find a ROM with manila 2.1 which has no bug .... because it's very important for me to be able to rotate the screen in manila ....
energy ROM has some bug with sms botton ... I've got really confused ....
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Which ROM did you try?
I´ve had at least 3 which are stable - and if there is something you might perceive as a bug, it is often related to another application and/or setting I did or had to do myself.
There are quite a few Manila 2.1 based ROM´s today which you can try, with WinMo 6.1 or even 6.5 "underneath".
BTW, the worst ROM I ever had was the stock ROM. Shame on SE.

itje said:
Tell me about getting confused, there are several roms with 2.1 manila that has full support on landscape, if it didnt have, then the cook hsa done a error (unlikely) or its disabled by the cook (rather unlikely too)
But a bugfree rom will only be a reality in your dreams im afraid, cause there is no such thing. Not from us, or HTC nor SE..
I have not tested other chefs roms in here with manila 2.1, but mine sure do have landscape
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thanks for your answer ... yes I just found several ROMs with manila 2.1 and there is no problem with rotation ... but for example one of them use a lot of RAM (60%) , one of them has some problem with sms ...
for this reason I overlook manila 2.5 ... and I think energy ROM up to now is the best choice ...

tictac0566 said:
Which ROM did you try?
I´ve had at least 3 which are stable - and if there is something you might perceive as a bug, it is often related to another application and/or setting I did or had to do myself.
There are quite a few Manila 2.1 based ROM´s today which you can try, with WinMo 6.1 or even 6.5 "underneath".
BTW, the worst ROM I ever had was the stock ROM. Shame on SE.
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thanks dude ... just could you plz introduce me these 3 ROMs ? right now I install energy ROM (21 Oct version) and I think it is the best ... although it doesn't have delivery choice ...

Why you use Manila?

I still can't understand why you people use and like Manila? It's old UI already ~ 2 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmj-Rv-U-tw
just look at this video, look what you can do with SPB + 6.1 mobile + Xperia. It's 10 times for usefull than any Manila. It's faster, no bugs! No sleep death and etc! I was using Manila for 4 month, and after 2.5 LEO i understood that this idea of interface is dead ( HTC understood it too, that's why the created Sense UI on Android )

i still prefer plain 6.5 (titanium) without manila for it's functionality.
i use manila just to show other people that my x1 can still go further with regards
to customization and eye candy (an overused phrase by the way )
same goes for spb.
what i dont like is too much scrolling and too much flips before you get to touch the app you're actually looking for.
but to each his own
btw, how old is spb?

biernes_atrece said:
i still prefer plain 6.5 (titanium) without manila for it's functionality.
i use manila just to show other people that my x1 can still go further with regards
to customization and eye candy (an overused phrase by the way )
same goes for spb.
what i dont like is too much scrolling and too much flips before you get to touch the app you're actually looking for.
but to each his own
btw, how old is spb?
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lol truth...

can you please share a guide how you got it set up like that please.

tay200k said:
can you please share a guide how you got it set up like that please.
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+1... please i want it too

just for eye-candy only i guess ...

Seems like trolling to me...
I use manila since I can see all the info I want at a glance and it's easy to get to the data and apps I want with a single slide or tap or hardware keypress (two for less used apps, three for least used, which is good organisation since it matches how we function in real life). There are shortcuts on Leo today screen and the interface is very intuitive. You don't have to "learn" where things are or spend hours setting it up... Enough reasons?
I guess if I wasn't flashing my device so often I may use something that takes time to set up, but is very customisable like SPB, but... I flash a LOT.

n-zocker said:
+1... please i want it too
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Μe too... Just for change!!

Oobly said:
Seems like trolling to me...
I use manila since I can see all the info I want at a glance and it's easy to get to the data and apps I want with a single slide or tap or hardware keypress (two for less used apps, three for least used, which is good organisation since it matches how we function in real life). There are shortcuts on Leo today screen and the interface is very intuitive. You don't have to "learn" where things are or spend hours setting it up... Enough reasons?
I guess if I wasn't flashing my device so often I may use something that takes time to set up, but is very customisable like SPB, but... I flash a LOT.
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What he said.

In my opinion titanium is terrible, SPB shell looks very nice but ater 2 weeks i back to manilla.
Why?
In my opinion newset manilla aka HTC sense not only looks better but also is much more intuitive. HTC also prepared many soft within which SPB simply doesnt'have at all forcing to instal elternative ones.
As i have Diamond also it gives more reasons to use. Main is that only manilla audio manager works without problems with orginal HTC headphones.
I know that SPB shell is fast, manilla slow but despite of it manilla is more complex, easier to configure, more popular with much better XDA support.
Of course not everyone like it, so U can always change it for another ;-)

I don't understand the hype about Manila / Sense, also.
Well i looks nice, but thats all, imho it ist not very usefull for quick accessing Contacts, SMS or System Information.
I'm a great fan of PointUI Home2, which runs very smooth and offers a lot of the functionality i need.
Just my 2 cent.

I installed it but the only thing that changed, is the bottom bar... The clock??

vladimired said:
I still can't understand why you people use and like Manila? It's old UI already ~ 2 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmj-Rv-U-tw
just look at this video, look what you can do with SPB + 6.1 mobile + Xperia. It's 10 times for usefull than any Manila. It's faster, no bugs! No sleep death and etc! I was using Manila for 4 month, and after 2.5 LEO i understood that this idea of interface is dead ( HTC understood it too, that's why the created Sense UI on Android )
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what noob shot this video?
ever heard about macro mode?
this video only causes headache.
besides is there still the bug with the buttons' alignment of "sence ui" in landscape mode (you can't see that in the video!)?
ps: I don't like manila either.
besides, you can have sense with titanium as well (http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...o-com/294091/wm6-5-skin-wqvga-titanium-sense/)!

AndiCP said:
what noob shot this video?
ever heard about macro mode?
this video only causes headache.
besides is there still the bug with the buttons' alignment of "sence ui" in landscape mode (you can't see that in the video!)?
ps: I don't like manila either.
besides, you can have sense with titanium as well (http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...o-com/294091/wm6-5-skin-wqvga-titanium-sense/)!
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thanks and sorry that i made a video and didn't asked you, and sorry that i don't have a good camera. Sense on titanium can't compare anyhow with sense on SPB IMHO. Yes there is bug with button align but...i myself use landscape only wile typing and win mob sms app works in landscape - you knew that?

I use manilla because I can't buy Pointui 2 pro. I'm from Germany and don't have a mastercard, paypal or everything else. Thats the fact.
cemetry

I only use Leo for the twitter integration. I love my news on the go right there with no reason to open an app.
Coming to think of it, that is the only reason why I use Leo but lately im thinking about going back to the default xperia rom.

cemetry said:
I use manilla because I can't buy Pointui 2 pro. I'm from Germany and don't have a mastercard, paypal or everything else. Thats the fact.
cemetry
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i only use pointui home free 2.1.0.4 since it doesn't have this nasty activation screen every startup and imo it is good enough. i do not really miss any 'pro' features. if you have any questions do not hesitate to contact me.