OK, now that Apple has announced what's going to be in the next iPhone firmware (copy-paste, universal search, push notifications, etc), what more does the iPhone need until it's a viable platform for the most die-hard here to abandon WinMo? Software issues only of course, no "keyboard" response.
It still can't multitask which I think is wack.. they say it drains the battery too hard (that kind of hardware issue is acceptable for discussion).
I'm already hooked and can't wait to get rid of my Hermes. I will miss internet sharing for "free" though
If i had to change WM to OSX, it would need to have :
- Mass storage driver
- Using the phone without ever installing itunes (yes i'm on linux)
- Installing apps without appstore (same as above)
- Multitasking because i like to listen to a webradio while using my GPS
- IGo 2008
- Flash support
- Skyfire-like browser
- Outlook support (not exchange)
- MS Voice command (not cyberon or other 'must record everything before use' program)
- WMWifirouter 1.25 (because i use it as a wifi card for my laptop)
- Custom rom enabled (because i like to change often)
- external mouse / keyboard support
- rotation in every screen including home, because when my mobile car holder is in landscape, i want every app to be in landscape as well
- msn messenger (not another multi client app)
- galarm (because it is the best alarm clock program i have ever used)
- video recording
- tcpmp-like player (note that i don't know every iphone app available)
- better today screen like touchflo
That's pretty much what i use everyday and my kaiser does that perfectly.
TrYde said:
If i had to change WM to OSX, it would need to have :
- Outlook support (not exchange)
- external mouse / keyboard support
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I need FULL Outlook intergration also, like Business Contact Manager...along with OneNote. Also not having a user removeable battery and memory card is a deal breaker for me. I found the iPhoney drains the battery just as fast as WinMo phone.
The abillity to run the phone from my desktop wth something like My Moblier is really handy.
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I need FULL Outlook intergration also, like Business Contact Manager...along with OneNote. Also not having a user removeable battery and memory card is a deal breaker for me. I found the iPhoney drains the battery just as fast as WinMo phone.
The abillity to run the phone from my desktop wth something like My Moblier is really handy.
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I didn't go into hardware stuff, otherwise i could add a lot more, like lack of buttons, lack of physical keyboard, resistive screen instead of capacitive, a real camera with flash....
The thing i love with this kind och apple presentations is the audience. When they in example presented the MMS function, there was big applauds.. like it was the first time we saw MMS function in a phone. And then copy-paste function and big applauds breaks out, again, "its fantastic,wow" (i think apple was first to implement this function in a phone... or not!?).
Yes, iphone is nice,smooth,fast. And i still think its not the phone that makes the iphone. Its the developers 3rd party that make its nice. I need my phone in my work, and need functionality that works smooth with win xp/outlook.
I wish microsoft takes a look at the custom rom's that is on the market, MS could maybe get some great ideas from them. And one other thing, let us use the apps in landscape mode, i think the 3rd party rotation app works 50%. Give us something new, something with speed.
/Mike,Stockholm
HTC Touch HD
I haven't completely abandoned WinMo because I love gadgets and variety, but I have abandoned it as my primary phone. I switched to the iPhone as my primary over a year ago. Everything iPhone can do, it does it faster and easier than WinMo phones do. Anything it can't do, I don't really use. Using a WinMo phone feels so much more clunky than the iPhone. For instance, I was using my Touch Diamond the other night. Opera works much better than PIE, but it was still slow, annoying, dragging, and at times with greatly delayed reaction to my touch. The iPhone Safari is much faster, and seems much more refined. I use my Touch Diamond much less often, yet it crashes or locks up requiring a RESET much more often. Of course, I have my share of complaints about the iPhone OS X, and the main one is dependence on iTunes. I don't like having to sync folders, I greatly prefer WinMo's way - copying the music and videos I want into a folder on the device.
It's not true that the iPhone OS X can't multitask. It's a variant of UNIX so it certainly can multitask, it's just not officially supported by the SDK. It makes sense, after all, Apple intends for the apps in the AppStore to be interactive apps, the type that shouldn't need multitasking ability. The various apps available via Cydia on a jailbroken phone don't necessarily follow Apple conventions and can multitask. For example, you can install Open SSH and SSH into the phone via Wifi while it's running any other app. All the unofficial UNIX-style apps can and do multitask.
Big applause for functions like MMS most likely aren't because people are amazed at the new feature, but people are happy because they're thinking, "FINALLY!" I know that was my thought, even the very first color LCD phone I ever had could do MMS (Samsung SGH-E715 in 2003).
What else does OS X mobile need to rival WM? Nothing. They can do whatever they like, but after my experience with an iPod Touch I will never buy another Apple product for as long as I live. As for the iPhone itself - I'm tired of hearing about it. Even on an HTC fanboy Web site, there's no escape.
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I haven't completely abandoned WinMo because I love gadgets and variety, but I have abandoned it as my primary phone. I switched to the iPhone as my primary over a year ago. Everything iPhone can do, it does it faster and easier than WinMo phones do. Anything it can't do, I don't really use. Using a WinMo phone feels so much more clunky than the iPhone. For instance, I was using my Touch Diamond the other night. Opera works much better than PIE, but it was still slow, annoying, dragging, and at times with greatly delayed reaction to my touch. The iPhone Safari is much faster, and seems much more refined. I use my Touch Diamond much less often, yet it crashes or locks up requiring a RESET much more often. Of course, I have my share of complaints about the iPhone OS X, and the main one is dependence on iTunes. I don't like having to sync folders, I greatly prefer WinMo's way - copying the music and videos I want into a folder on the device.
It's not true that the iPhone OS X can't multitask. It's a variant of UNIX so it certainly can multitask, it's just not officially supported by the SDK. It makes sense, after all, Apple intends for the apps in the AppStore to be interactive apps, the type that shouldn't need multitasking ability. The various apps available via Cydia on a jailbroken phone don't necessarily follow Apple conventions and can multitask. For example, you can install Open SSH and SSH into the phone via Wifi while it's running any other app. All the unofficial UNIX-style apps can and do multitask.
Big applause for functions like MMS most likely aren't because people are amazed at the new feature, but people are happy because they're thinking, "FINALLY!" I know that was my thought, even the very first color LCD phone I ever had could do MMS (Samsung SGH-E715 in 2003).
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Agreed 100% After many many years of being a HTC fan boy I out of here, after only a week with my iphone .... i love it and yep I did have to jailbreak it to make it really the phone I wanted but then again didnt have to flash my htc's to do the same?
Look, everyone to there own but you for me I was sick of paying £500+ for something that looks and feels the same year in year out and only now realise how poor the wm os runs.
goodbye fairwell my OLD friend WM
xxx
this iphone term 'jailbreak' means what? supercid? and can these be unlocked for any GSM carrier?
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this iphone term 'jailbreak' means what? supercid? and can these be unlocked for any GSM carrier?
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Hello all, I work for Orange and hopefully will get preferential rates when its released (hopefully early July)
1)I REALLY hope Orange don't put their home screen on instead of the touchflo3d...that would be a really big mistake
2)BATTERY LIFE! I'm thinking...Anyway of linking clicking Opera app to enabling 3G? Maybe making a custom shortcut containing the reg change for 3g on + opening browser? Or is this me being a little too hopeful/ignorant?
3)Music player: Apparently, to all intents and purposes, not that great. Are there any players 3rd party available that are any good? Music playing is something I like the idea of but I don't deal with album art at all so I'm stuck if I use the default.
4)Instant Messaging;
I know WM supports Windows Live, but does it easily support the 640x480 screen? I've heard some 3rd party apps go a bit funny on it (same in fact with the music player)
Also, what is the status with the xs in the top right these days? I had a SPV M700 and x just minimised. You could get a software mod for the x to close, but I'm going to want to be running IM on a fairly regular occasion, obviously multitasking. Is there a "minimise key" mod? To make more similar to desktop experience?
5)I predominantly text, how am I going to find the touch keyboard? It was SO awkward on my M700, is the keyboard functionality/touch sensetivity much improved?
OK Thankyou all in advance,
qpop
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Hello all, I work for Orange and hopefully will get preferential rates when its released (hopefully early July)
5)I predominantly text, how am I going to find the touch keyboard? It was SO awkward on my M700, is the keyboard functionality/touch sensetivity much improved?
OK Thankyou all in advance,
qpop
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I cant help much but in response to the question above, I find the texting overall is pretty good on the Touch Diamond.
Im a texter to and ive used lots of Windows Mobiles in the past and can safely say that the Phone Keypad and Also Full Qwerty are excellent. The Phone Keypad is what I use the most when texting etc and its brilliant.
I dont often type things incorrectly but the downside is, with all touch screen phones ive used so far, that sometimes it doesnt keep up and i do find that when I press the space button it doesnt register (or I dont push the button exactly so it doesnt register more like) but the whole experience, overall, feels good when texting.
Also you have to be careful when texting and then choosing a word in the T9 system as it will repeat the word if you press the wrong part of the screen or it will insert the word in the middle of another word.
This is something im doing less and less of now as ive got used to the sensitivity of the screen so all good.
Best so far on a purely touchscreen Windows Mobile Device. Nice one HTC!
First I need to say that I really liked Touchflo3D a lot and I didn't stopped using it because it looks bad or may slow down the Diamond a little bit.
I stopped using it because it reminds me too much of the iPhone...unfortunately minus the iPhone usability.
After I went back to the "classic" stylus and thumb operation, my lost happiness using the Diamond returned back. I also enjoy to be able again to easily read all my appointments and tasks which was almost impossible with Touchflo3D.
Tochflo3D looks great, in my opinion better than the iPhone GUI, kudos to HTC for that.
Unfortunately it doesn't offer the same comfort and usability of the iPhone GUI, so it is useless to me. Once HTC succeeds in integrating WM6.1 into Touchflo3D(or vice versa), I may give it another try but right now, it is just a fancy but pretty much useless GUI which reminds me too much of the iPhone comfort and usability and which of course starts to annoy me once I realize that it doesn't work even close to how good the iPhone GUI works with touch operations.
So if you're annoyed by Touchflo3D but still use it because it looks so nice...STOP using it, you will be much more happy with your Diamond, believe me. Once Touchflo3D is gone, you don't compare it to the iPhone anymore, reminding you of the "good old" stylus/thumb operation days and how good the Diamond can be used that way compared to older devices.
Try it, you may love it.
Good call.
I have done the same and only really miss the cute SMS graphics...
HTC obviously CAN do good interfaces as the old TouchFlo was excellent, but this one just isn't quite there yet, and also feels somewhat fiddly compared to the iPhone.
In the meantime the TD runs much better without TF3D, and you can start realising its full potential. Also you are not tempted to use their somewhat flaky audio player etc and can start to look at other alternatives.
If you want gestures and nice graphics, try SPB Shell 2. Works very well and looks great.
Otherwise, try using the device as the WM6 phone it so obviously is, and start to enjoy it...
from the first i didnt like the Touchflo3D its buggy so i disable it and use the normal mode
Yeah, I do fully agree to that!
The "classic" windows mobile interface looks very well on the diamond,
and without TF3D it's fast as hell!
Spb mobile shell is the best interface.
Touch Flo 3d was slow and killed the diamond.
Have to agree with most of the posts in here, TF3D is nice but its such a resourcce hog that after almost a day of using the Diamond...the phone becomes so sluggish even with the tweaks enabled.
Im seriously considering going to the normal non tf3d screen as it doesnt eat as much memory/resources as the tf3d does.
Seriously just try leaving the phone for most of the day and u will see that from 50% it goes up to 70% and makes the phone very sluggish.
Saying that i do hope HTC fix it with a future rom update or perhaps one of the guys in here can do it becuase its a nice interface when it works.
Registry switch for toiuchflow3d?
Does anyone have the registry switch details for touchflow 3d? Thanks.
windows mobile is one ugly thing and the stylus...no thanks...
when i get the touch pro..tf3d it is.
pilib said:
Does anyone have the registry switch details for touchflow 3d? Thanks.
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What do you mean? It's a Today plugin, just disable it...
pedmond said:
What do you mean? It's a Today plugin, just disable it...
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well, disabling it doesnt give us more ram, does it?
i hope that new rom cookers can find us a solution to freed up the ram so that we can use it for other applications
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well, disabling it doesnt give us more ram, does it?
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What do you mean? Won't give us more RAM, indeed, but will free quite a bit of the existing one...
Note to self: stop using the "what do you mean" expression...
The elusive obvious!
Pardon my earlier stupid question re a registry switch for touchflo. It is of course, as pointed out, simply a today plugin, easily disabled by a t(h)ick!
Well, apparantly some people haven't heard of flashing your phone. My TD with TF3D is fast as hell with my new rom.
Hi
I also disabled Touchflo3D. Is there another possibility to access the weather-application from Touchflo3D? Or does anybody know a similar programm running with WM 6.1?
after you install spb mobile shell, how do you disable/remove touchflo? and make spb shell the default one etc
Settings-today-items:check SPB and remove the check from tf3D ..DONE!
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Well, apparantly some people haven't heard of flashing your phone. My TD with TF3D is fast as hell with my new rom.
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Which ROM are you using?
Using TLR now, and I really can't stop using TFLO3D.
It's damn fast here, and really, getting the everyday things done (read sms, read mail, launch a navigator, make a picture) TFLO3D is really, really good.
No buggs at all, and really fast. The first ones were a bit sluggish, but I can wipe my finger "left-right-left-right" in 1 second, and TFLO3d follows it perfectly.
In terms of usability for me, it gets at least 8 out of 10. There are some things I miss, like reordering my tabs and GETTING A DECENT CALENDAR but for the rest its great.
It brings back the simpleness of a mobile phone to the foreground, while still you have a suberb device at the background.
I quite like it too but I do miss the exact things you have just mentioned. I'm not looking for a replacement, but I do wonder can it be hacked so we can get more out of it? Or must we wait for HTC to listen to our cry for help. This is my first HTC device so I don't know, but from what I hear we should not be holding our breath. This surprised me, as I buy other HTC's for my staff at work, and HTC's reputation to me was exemplary, and they are the market leaders. Then I came here, and now I hear so much bad stuff about them.
Riel said:
Using TLR now, and I really can't stop using TFLO3D.
It's damn fast here, and really, getting the everyday things done (read sms, read mail, launch a navigator, make a picture) TFLO3D is really, really good.
No buggs at all, and really fast. The first ones were a bit sluggish, but I can wipe my finger "left-right-left-right" in 1 second, and TFLO3d follows it perfectly.
In terms of usability for me, it gets at least 8 out of 10. There are some things I miss, like reordering my tabs and GETTING A DECENT CALENDAR but for the rest its great.
It brings back the simpleness of a mobile phone to the foreground, while still you have a suberb device at the background.
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You never used an iPhone, did you?
I'm using the TLR ROM too but Touchflo3D is C.R.A.P..
I owned WM phones before(TyTN, TyTN II, i780, etc.) and I like Windows Mobile, version 6.1 is really a good step towards a finally very well working phone OS, I just can't wait to see WM7. Like I said before, Touchflo3D LOOKS great, much better than the iPhone GUI but operation SUCKS bigtime, not even close to iPhone. Don't forget that HTC started the whole "touch" series because of the iPhone, not because people really asked for it. That said, a comparison to the iPhone is mandatory and yes, I know, the display technology is completely different and WM6.1 lacks a proper finger touch operation API, right.
I removed Tochflo3D because I wanted to have an almost perfect "classic"(stylus, sometimes fingers) Windows Mobile phone, not a half-bread iPhone wannabee.
What can I say? I'm a happy camper now, especially since I can for example see five different calender events on the same page without having to touch the unit.
Regarding Touchflo3D improvements: I'm not sure we're going to see substantial improvements to the usability(speed isn't really the issue), unless some genius programmer finds a clever way to cope for the different display technology and missing "real" finger usage API of WM6.1. I also wish somebody here on xda-developers with brains and time on this hand could "integrate" WM6.1(icons, etc.) much more into Touchflo3D, so Touchflo3D doesn't look and feel sometimes like a simple GUI "cover" only.
I'm pretty sure that Windows Mobile 7 will be the answer to all our questions and hopes but til then...well...hello Touch Diamond II or whatever it's name will be.
I'm not opposed to using the stylus by any means, and I knew when I bought the phone that it wasn't intended to be operated completely with your fingers - it's certainly no iPhone (and I mean that in the best way possible). However, there's certainly something to be said for the convenience of having something you can operate with your fingers alone, especially if you don't have a free hand to hold your phone while you use the stylus in the other to navigate.
So, with that in mind I'm looking for any recommendations on programs that can be used to make the Kaiser more finger-friendly. The only ones that come to mind immediately for me are S2U2, FFF and the various Cubes. What are the other options available?
Thanks in advance.
spb mobile shell 2 is as finger friendly as it gets, it includes a wide variety of tools so that you barely need too traverse outside of the shell
Yeah, I've been looking at that, definitely looks great for finger navigation. Just wish it weren't $30 Looks like I'll have to wait to pick it up, I'm a little low on cash seeing as I just bought my Kaiser.
I'd also vote for mobile shell....
but also the excellent pocketcm for contacts and phone stuff. (and this ones a freebie)
Touch Commander is pretty nice, but also commercial.
Finger friendly friends for your contacts - very finger friendly
http://www.jotto.no/fff/
TomTom Navigator 7 is pretty "finger friendly" IMO.
icontact
iContact (freeware on XDA) in its latest version (0.74) is fantastic. A little faster and a lot smaller memory footprint compared to pockemCM. Very iphone like (in a good way).
RK
inger Friendly
Take a look at Vito Winterface
http://vitotechnology.com/en/support/news/news_detail.php?ID=2069
You can check out ThrottleLauncher as well in the 'Hacking/Development' forums.
Free too.
There are alot of finger friendly apps out there and the software just keeps adding up on the internet daily then there was a year ago or when the kaiser came out for sale in 2007...there is so much great .cabs and software out there on the internet that youlll find everything you need especially finger gesturing applications easily. The great thing about the kaiser and why i think it stands higher in quality then alot of PPC/PDA's out there especially the iphone is the ability to download and use 3rd party applications out the box... i mean im sure the iphone has the capabillities for 3rd party apps, once you unlock..then jailbreak and all that other jazz that u have to do to the iphone before its capable of being a functional and useful phone and after all that i dont think it still has more then a handful o applications out there for it..deffinetly not as much software thats out there now for windows moble phones..but anywayz theres so much finger friendly software out there on the net intended to be for PPC's...so with that being said theres theres good apps that mimic the iphone finger gesturing...like TOUCHFLO or TOUCHFLO 3D, its software that comes preloaded now with all new htc phones so that you barely have to use your styluses....after i installed the newest touchflo software(its not touchflo 3D, but still just as good) i barely even use the sylus now. With this flo touch technology u can finger scroll through all applications, and there is certain software that is finger friendly and beatiful to watch and use your fingers and especialy the thumb movements like the icontacts app...its one of the best contact manager software and it mimics the iphones contact list application. You can flo through your whole contact list in 2 seconds and its free...and the new icontact has alot of new optionns like a quick favorites list that is like speed dial so i would suggest gettin icontacts 0.73 or .75 once you install touchflo newest free software. You wont get a more finger friendly contact manager....trust me youll never use another contact manager...and its backround and theme is black with white letters which goes with the black theme of the kaiser itself..but i think u can switch the colors around..other then that PIE is finger friendly once u install touchflo and also tom tom 7 gps software and the great HTC album aplication (photo and camera software) rivals and mimics the iphones photo app and i think blows the iphones picture software out the water..and theres so much other software out there that becomes so much more easier to flip through with ur fingers and thumb especially...and personally i never use the cube software i think its a waste of space and i have no use for it....htc home and other htc software for your today plugin screen is good enough...and youll notice other software is much more easier to scroll through once you have touchflo or the pay version of touchflo 3d because of the extra benefits...so enjoy and watch the ease of barely having to use your stylus...but dont forget our phones are ment for stylus's and theres nothing wrong with it...the iphone may not need a stylus but that phone has alot of short comings especialy when it comes to text messaging department, its horrible..ive tried it on friends phones and had the worst times trying to text..would take close to 5 minutes writing a 4 sentence message.. and all of my boys that have the iphone all tell me they wish the iphone didnt only have the on screen keyboard..once they play with my tilt and see the qwerty keyboard there envious to it...cuz the iphones on screen just cant compete, especialy if you have big fingers like me..basically it sucks dog balls, even the new iphone which " needed" to be upgraded to built in gps and 3G., the kaiser when it came out already came with all these luxuries..the iphone needed to "upgrade" to get those rescources so think about that..and just scour the software threads for any type of software u can think of and youll find it..later
have you tried this.
http://www.iwindowsmobile.com/vito-mobile-shell.html
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There are alot of finger friendly apps out there and the software just keeps adding up on the internet daily then there was a year ago or when the kaiser came out for sale in 2007...there is so much great .cabs and software out there on the internet that youlll find everything you need especially finger gesturing applications easily. The great thing about the kaiser and why i think it stands higher in quality then alot of PPC/PDA's out there especially the iphone is the ability to download and use 3rd party applications out the box... i mean im sure the iphone has the capabillities for 3rd party apps, once you unlock..then jailbreak and all that other jazz that u have to do to the iphone before its capable of being a functional and useful phone and after all that i dont think it still has more then a handful o applications out there for it..deffinetly not as much software thats out there now for windows moble phones..but anywayz theres so much finger friendly software out there on the net intended to be for PPC's...so with that being said theres theres good apps that mimic the iphone finger gesturing...like TOUCHFLO or TOUCHFLO 3D, its software that comes preloaded now with all new htc phones so that you barely have to use your styluses....after i installed the newest touchflo software(its not touchflo 3D, but still just as good) i barely even use the sylus now. With this flo touch technology u can finger scroll through all applications, and there is certain software that is finger friendly and beatiful to watch and use your fingers and especialy the thumb movements like the icontacts app...its one of the best contact manager software and it mimics the iphones contact list application. You can flo through your whole contact list in 2 seconds and its free...and the new icontact has alot of new optionns like a quick favorites list that is like speed dial so i would suggest gettin icontacts 0.73 or .75 once you install touchflo newest free software. You wont get a more finger friendly contact manager....trust me youll never use another contact manager...and its backround and theme is black with white letters which goes with the black theme of the kaiser itself..but i think u can switch the colors around..other then that PIE is finger friendly once u install touchflo and also tom tom 7 gps software and the great HTC album aplication (photo and camera software) rivals and mimics the iphones photo app and i think blows the iphones picture software out the water..and theres so much other software out there that becomes so much more easier to flip through with ur fingers and thumb especially...and personally i never use the cube software i think its a waste of space and i have no use for it....htc home and other htc software for your today plugin screen is good enough...and youll notice other software is much more easier to scroll through once you have touchflo or the pay version of touchflo 3d because of the extra benefits...so enjoy and watch the ease of barely having to use your stylus...but dont forget our phones are ment for stylus's and theres nothing wrong with it...the iphone may not need a stylus but that phone has alot of short comings especialy when it comes to text messaging department, its horrible..ive tried it on friends phones and had the worst times trying to text..would take close to 5 minutes writing a 4 sentence message.. and all of my boys that have the iphone all tell me they wish the iphone didnt only have the on screen keyboard..once they play with my tilt and see the qwerty keyboard there envious to it...cuz the iphones on screen just cant compete, especialy if you have big fingers like me..basically it sucks dog balls, even the new iphone which " needed" to be upgraded to built in gps and 3G., the kaiser when it came out already came with all these luxuries..the iphone needed to "upgrade" to get those rescources so think about that..and just scour the software threads for any type of software u can think of and youll find it..later
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I hope you aren't offended but your writing needs severe sentence structure.
kmorris89 said:
I'm not opposed to using the stylus by any means, and I knew when I bought the phone that it wasn't intended to be operated completely with your fingers - it's certainly no iPhone (and I mean that in the best way possible). However, there's certainly something to be said for the convenience of having something you can operate with your fingers alone, especially if you don't have a free hand to hold your phone while you use the stylus in the other to navigate.
So, with that in mind I'm looking for any recommendations on programs that can be used to make the Kaiser more finger-friendly. The only ones that come to mind immediately for me are S2U2, FFF and the various Cubes. What are the other options available?
Thanks in advance.
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I find both PocketCM and ThumbCal great replacements for contact management and calendar. Both free. Search XDA and you shall find.
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I hope you aren't offended but your writing needs severe sentence structure.
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i was using my tilt when i posted this message...i never use a computer when im on this site...so when i type stuff on my phone it comes out like that...wala!!
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have you tried this.
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yes.... and was rather disappointed at it... still its a 1.0 release and may possible be worthwhile some time in the future (but not today)
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i was using my tilt when i posted this message...i never use a computer when im on this site...so when i type stuff on my phone it comes out like that...wala!!
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Lmao...I didn't even think of that. I know exactly what you mean!
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Lmao...I didn't even think of that. I know exactly what you mean!
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yea bro....like i barely ever use my toshiba satelite labtop other then for school term papers and essays and other school work...and for my job when i need to use microsoft office for word and excel for my spreadsheets...so when im at home or on the go...my main internet viewing utility is my tilt man. I find it so much more easier to just flick my phone open and surf the net on my tilt...from youtube watching, movie watching and when im on my forums posting, like this here xda for my phone and acurazine forums for my acura tl community. And my toshiba labtop is not old either its 4 months old and fast as ****! but... i rarely use it for internet scouring because my kaiser is so handy for simple web browsing stuff that i do and more convienent. So yea you alrdy said you know what i meant when your posting stuff through your tilt...its a little hard to be percise and grammer desciplined when typing with the qwerty...it would just take to much time to worry about how your typing needs to be perfect looking...especially when your posting on forums, i could give two sh*ts about a couple of missing parenthesis or misspelled words on forums..cuz people know where im getting at and theve seen enough internet or IM chat to distinguish word play and internet lingo..so yea..wala! lol
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yea bro....like i barely ever use my toshiba satelite labtop other then for school term papers and essays and other school work...and for my job when i need to use microsoft office for word and excel for my spreadsheets...so when im at home or on the go...my main internet viewing utility is my tilt man. I find it so much more easier to just flick my phone open and surf the net on my tilt...from youtube watching, movie watching and when im on my forums posting, like this here xda for my phone and acurazine forums for my acura tl community. And my toshiba labtop is not old either its 4 months old and fast as ****! but... i rarely use it for internet scouring because my kaiser is so handy for simple web browsing stuff that i do and more convienent. So yea you alrdy said you know what i meant when your posting stuff through your tilt...its a little hard to be percise and grammer desciplined when typing with the qwerty...it would just take to much time to worry about how your typing needs to be perfect looking...especially when your posting on forums, i could give two sh*ts about a couple of missing parenthesis or misspelled words on forums..cuz people know where im getting at and theve seen enough internet or IM chat to distinguish word play and internet lingo..so yea..wala! lol
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This kid really rambles a lot huh, about nothing too. I see your posts in almost every thread and none of them actually contribute. Are you that bored that you type bs all day. Stay the f*ck on topic and stop cluttering up the forums.
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cuz people know where im getting at and theve seen enough internet or IM chat to distinguish word play and internet lingo..so yea..wala! lol
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AS IF.
When I see a huge (and I do mean HUGE) block of text like this, with next to no punctuation, no paragraphs, and generally a "stream of the subconscious" look, I do not even bother to skim it, much less read it word for word. I can accept it at Theodor Weissenborn's, but, sorry, you're not him.
Besides, sum ting wong with the Enter key on your Tilt's keyboard?
And before I get slammed for not contributing to the thread:
Ultimate Launch
Throttle Launcher
FFF
Winterface (yuk, but for the sake of completeness...)
iFonz
S2U2
S2V
S2P
SPB Mobile Shell
PointUI
iContact
iCalendar
Resco Keyboard
Zoom Keyboard
PocketCM Contacts
...and many, MANY others, these were just off the top of my head.
I'd been torn between buying a new 3G iPhone or a Diamond, and although I was somewhat put off by some of the issues I'd read on this forum, problems such as lack of MMS on the iPhone meant that I ended up buying the Diamond last week. Here's my short review which I hope will help people who are undecided.
I had an HTC TyTn for the last 2 years, and while it's a very capable handset, I found it almost impossible to use without the stylus, as well as being way too big. This made the TouchFlo 3D interface and the small size of the Diamond particularly appealing for me.
The Handset
The first thing that struck me about the Diamond is how small and light it is. It's undeniably a very good-looking phone - certainly better then the iPhone in this respect. My handset had an Orange badge on the back of the casing, but, thankfully, no changes to the user-interface.
Touch-Flo 3D
The interface does take a bit of getting used to - it requires very firm presses on the screen. At first, I thought that the phone was slow to respond on occasions, but it became clear that I just wasn't pressing hard enough. To help this, I installed Advanced Config and tweaked the screen sensitivity settings. I also installed Diamond Config and enabled the (two) main performance tweaks. Touch-Flo is now a lot easier to use. How much of that is down to the tweaks and how much is just me getting used to it, I don't know. Nevertheless, I can now say that I have no reservations about the interface, and while it's not as immediately easy to use as the iPhone, it's hard to see it presenting many problems for users once they've had the handset for a couple of days and made the tweaks.
On-screen Keyboard
I was worried that the small size of the screen, compared to the iPhone, might make the on-screen keyboard more difficult to use. However, I'm pleased to report that it's not caused me any problems and it's good to have a choice of different keyboards to use in different situations (one, two or three letters per 'key').
Installed Software
The phone came with Google maps, an RSS/podcast reader, Word, Excel, PowerPoint reader, YouTube, Teeter (game), Adobe Reader, as well as the usual Media Player, email, camera apps etc. All work well on the Diamond and have clear, intuitive interfaces.
GPS
I've tested the built-in GPS with Google maps and I'm astounded by the accuracy and performance. It can find 7 satellites even when it's sitting in the cupholder underneath the dashboard in my car!
Battery Life
Battery life does look to be one of the Diamond's few problems. I was used to having to charge my TyTn handset every day, and the Diamond is no different. I've now tried setting the data connection auto-disconnect option in Advanced Config to 1 minute to see if that improves matters.
Browser
The bundled Opera 9.5 browser is far better than the standard Pocket IE, and, sticking with my Apple comparison, is very similar to Safari on the iPhone. The only signiificant difference is that Safari uses a two-fingered pinch gesture to zoom in and out, whereas Opera uses a double-tap. One good feature of Opera that I didn't notice on Safari is that it will re-size text columns to fit the screen width aftee you've zoomed in.
Tweaks
In addition to the performance tweaks I've mentioned above, the (free) GSen application is also a 'must-have'. It uses the in-built accelerometer to enable most applications to switch to landscape mode when the phone is held sideways. By default, only a few applications such as Opera do this.
Summary
Overall, Diamond's small size and Touch-Flo 3D interface solved my two major gripes with my previous WM handset. Although WM6.1 still has major usability issues, TF3D means that you rarely have to experience them. The Diamond is certainly a better handset, but it definitely requires some setting up before it's as usable as the iPhone.
This is a shame, because the tweaks and something like the GSen application could have been included from the start by HTC. It's only thanks to the developers on this forum that I've been able to see the full potential of the Diamond.
Ok so this is actually my first time posting in a long time. i do regularly flash the great roms on this site and use the cabs that are presented here. wonderful work guys.
ok so my question is, is it possible for someone to write some software for some widgets like the ones on the new Samsung I900? I know that it runs off WM 6.1 Pro. But is the today screen widget system a flash program? or built in somehow? it would be so cool to have something like that on the today screen of my 6.0 kaiser. ive seen so many different UIs its hard to name them all. they are all pretty cool in their own ways, but if someone made this as a cab that would be awsome. i know someone will be dumping the I900 rom sometime soon. hopefully!!!!
thanks,
vince
i dont get it, so nobody thinks this is possible? any takers....bueller...bueller...
Two suggestions...
Link to what you're asking about so someone can possibly make comparisons.
Don't be annoying/insulting.
Links to view widgets on OMNIA i900
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i8NfY_HXas
riiight... i wasnt trying to be annoying or insulting. i figured a quick search on youtube wuold have informed anyone about the phone in question. seems simple enough to me.
well. the Omnia I900 is a new phone that is being put out by Samsung. If you watch the video posted above youll see the widgets that i am talking about. they seem to be flash based. sort of like the ones in vista. i wonder about how much memory they take up. the phone has some other cool things as well like the screen rotate transitions. i love the one from this device. hope some programmers here can chime in on this one.
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riiight... i wasnt trying to be annoying or insulting. i figured a quick search on youtube wuold have informed anyone about the phone in question. seems simple enough to me.
well. the Omnia I900 is a new phone that is being put out by Samsung. If you watch the video posted above youll see the widgets that i am talking about. they seem to be flash based. sort of like the ones in vista. i wonder about how much memory they take up. the phone has some other cool things as well like the screen rotate transitions. i love the one from this device. hope some programmers here can chime in on this one.
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Apart from the dragging and dropping of widget from the sidebar, everything else is able to be reproduced on wm6 using various methods. rlToday and MobileShell are starting points. The i900 is not that great of a phone.
I figured out the Widgets app is called TouchWiz. i was wondering if anyone has been able to make a cab out of this? i would probably use it if it were available. ive tried a lot of shells, launchers, plugins, they are all cool but none seem to be the end all OS-replacement. by that i mean that they cant do everything yet. some will do some things good and others do other things good, but none do everything good! i know its a lot to ask for from just a shell, but if the next iphone (not 3g version) is any good with a 3rd party following thats growing, i might jump on. its gonna take some great plugs and an awsome os update to keep me on the windows mobile wagon.
i really wish they would start to try and move away from teh stylus usage on their future OS versions. like the Omnia. this would make alot of people happier i think.
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The i900 is not that great of a phone.
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really, why?
badaas said:
really, why?
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-Price - Currently over $1,100 in Australia vs. TyTnII free on most caps. Ouch.
- Poor finger menu navigation. Like most WM6 devices, the underlying OS is designed for stylus use, not thumbs. Comes with a stylus but no slot to put it in the phone.
- No physical keyboard, and dodgy software keyboard which cover 3/4 of the screen making it impossible to see what your typing underneath.
- Haptic touch is cool, but the glossy body is really bad (good?) at collecting fingerprint smudges. Carrying a cloth all day is pretty lame too.
- Battery life is ok, except when using GPS or 3G/HSDPA- reports of going from 100% to fully flat in under 40 mins while using satnav & about 3 hrs talk time on 3G. Cant personally verify this because I only played in-store for about half an hour - google around though..
- Can't use it as a bluetooth HSDPA modem for laptop/PC. Even my 5 yr old nokia can do this..
- Annoying automatic screen orientation, way too sensitive when you moving your arm around and the screen starts freaking out and spinning.
- Reports of random shut downs. Cnet reviewer had 2 in 3 days & pressing the Power On button does not help - have to physically remove and re-insert the battery to reset it.
- Useless "widgets" - Stock ROM does not include Calendar, Messaging or mainstream apps. Like the nazi-esque licensing for the iphone app store, you're not allowed to add / develop non-Samsung-approved apps. So for the time being you have a fancy looking but useless desktop. Standard WM6 "today" screen & various plugins is much much more usable.
Bottom line is its fashion over function. Some will love it, but there's too much iPhone mentality going on to even consider it for folks like me (I like to tweak and fiddle with everything to make a system that suits me perfectly - way better phones already out that can do this easier (TyTnII, imho) )
I do like the camera though, and the weird not-quite-VGA 240x400 resolution.
I agree. I am not interested in flashing a new ROM but would rather customize a few features usings cabs and so forth.
There are some widgets that I would like to use myself. This is very similar to the Vista sidebar that I have become familiar with and appreciate now.
Hi,
i found the related widgets, on rapidshare or megauload.it works fine
on a Qvga pda, but on mine (I780) i have resolution problems
Bye
Herc.
yeah i found a thread in the general-hacking and development section where someone has already made a cab for the widgets. after installing you have to reset your device for them to appear in the today plugins selection. the widgets are really cool but not being able to edit the apps they control at the moment kinda sucks. some of them dont do anything because they are supposed to be connected to programs in the Omnia I900