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Firewall and Anti-Virus

I searched the forums for firewall but nothing really relevant came up.
For my laptop and desktop I use ZoneAlarm security suite (AV, firewall and the whole lot). On the Kaiser there is ... nothing? Am I protected in any way, or do hackers and virus'es have free access when I am online? If so, what do the rest of you do to prevent this?

Could I assume this is of no concern, since no-one replies? I am happy to live without AV-FW software on my PDA, but I don't hope I get any virus in it!

eTrust do antivirus software and Airscanner do av and Firewall sw.
A quick search in Google will find you these sites.

Would AV/firewall grind the Kaiser to a grind or will it run OK?
Any one already running firewall? How much strain is it on the cpu?
Thanks

i ran fsecure for a bit and have also used airscanner for a bit, but TBH have you ever heard of a PDA getting a virus etc. ive certianly had no problems without them anyway.

Does anyone care about security ?
Hi...
I was flabbergasted when I did a search and found that ZoneAlarm, AVG and the other big internet security companies dont offer stuff for Pocket PC's !!! You would think they would be falling over one another to be 'First to Market' and offer it seeing as PPC's are predicted to be a 'big thing' in the mobile sector. Theres big bucks begging to be made here, surely !
...anyway.
Which Firewall & Antivirus etc do forum members recommend ?
TIA.
Mark.

loser40 said:
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I was flabbergasted when I did a search and found that ZoneAlarm, AVG and the other big internet security companies dont offer stuff for Pocket PC's !!! You would think they would be falling over one another to be 'First to Market' and offer it seeing as PPC's are predicted to be a 'big thing' in the mobile sector. Theres big bucks begging to be made here, surely !
...anyway.
Which Firewall & Antivirus etc do forum members recommend ?
TIA.
Mark.
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Hey the reason no one makes them for ppc's is because no one writes viruses for ppc's.i have spybot search and destroy for my mogul just cause im a computer hacker and ive seen some of my friends write a couple, they cant really do much though. I would say that u dont need one...also no one distributes viruses for ppc's because the odds of their viruses making it to a ppc and not a pc are very very slim.

i am at work right now. tonight i will download mobilesecruity cab i use. it has a 30 day trial then you have to buy.

AV
Bitdefender has a Mobile Security product as well. I scooped it up for free when it was in beta test, runs fine and doesn't seem to hit system performance much if at all.

There isn't a single PPC virus "in the wild" and any custom built trojan someone packs into a cab and posts here isn't likely to be caught by any of the current scanners because they are all signature based.
Really being sensible about what you run is the only current option, most WM phones run slow enough as it is without a resident scanner bogging them down anyway.

Symantec recently released an updated version of their "Norton Smartphone Security" software which includes the following components:
- mobile anti-virus; mobile firewall; SMS anti-spam; and LiveUpdate
I have been using this for about 3 weeks on my HTC TYTN II (with the shipped ROM) and have not noticed any performance degradation/reduction. In fact, it seems to have a pretty small footprint - 1.8 MB is the install size.

McAfee has a mobile antivirus, but it isnt free if thats what your looking for

I was happily using Airscanner firewall 3.0 with joy and no performance hit on the HTC stock wm6.1 ROM.
But I am now using the super L26 v9 but the firewall wont load on this ROM or on the previous v8 lite.
I am hoping I will get an answer for this.

I really think this is a waste of time. Norton, F-secure etc make these antiviruses knowing FULL WELL that no genuinely threatening viruses are in the wild - at least none that I've ever heard of or experienced.
I'd be interested to know WHAT these programs are scanning for!
There is plenty of antivirus software for the symbian platform which in my experience only serves to hit speed and performance with absolutely no real-world use whatsoever. In order for a Symbian application that uses critical system rights to be installlable it must first be signed by Symbian - with this in mind it is virtually impossible for a dialler or other frightful gremlin to reach your phone.
I'm sure a similar principal applies to Windows Mobile devices. Besides, it's far more fun to spread a virus on a proper windows platform, with greater consequences, and a hell of a lot easier too.
I really think these companies make most of their money from paranoia, so I choose to ignore them and I will for a while yet.

Fair comment as of course at the end of the day it is down to user choice.
I found f-secure and norton to be crap and would not run right, but airscanner both firewall and anti virus worked perfect on the htc stock rom.
L26 v8 & v9 are great and I prefer these over the stock rom as they are so much faster but to then get a app you just paid for not to work it is human nature to want to get it back.
I have never been hit by a virus etc on my laptop but still choose to use ZoneAlarm and my works VPN when necessary "just to be safe"
An example here is a local water supplier says many areas around here have a bug in the water so people should boil before drinking. Many say our own town is not affected so it does not affect us even tho same water comapny.
I say "I would rather play safe and boil the water then get the squits!" and wait for the comapny to give a global all clear.

there is that, but at least with your example there is evidence of impending health problems, however in this case there is little to support the need for an antivirus; no evidence of any great virus looming on the horizon, thus an antivirus precaution is to me overkill. who's to say that any mobile antivirus will even work? there's nothing to test these programs out with. The fact is that viruses are targeted at windows xp and vista pcs because almost everybody has them and they contain a lot of personal information. Mobile phones almost never have as much on them aside from contacts and perhaps random documents so to target a phone would never be as fruitful. anyone with any sense will encrypt sensitive information anyway as the likelihood of losing or having your phone stolen greatly outweighs the likelihood of a virus.
i think a better analogy would be to say that it would be like armour plating your car because you're heard about Securicor vans being hit for their money: the reality is that securicor vans have far more desirable contents for the higher-minded felon; your little phone (being the armour plated car) will only attract the attention of petty criminals.

I like your way of thinking and take it on board. The reason I bought the antivirus and firewall in the first place was that I will need to connect to my online bank when abroad and wanted to be belt and braces lest some hacker et al intercepts or whatever and takes me up the back passage!
However this may be down to my lack of knowledge of what is considered insure and secure etc.
I know I need to ensure when entering any sensitive data it should be done on a https site. Also my bank ensures its customeres their site is safe and secure. I just wanted to ensure my side is.
Also, this is no way intended to call for a flaming attack on me as I have read some very heated debates on this site which in a way tends to stiffle what people may want to say but do not due to fear of a back lash.
Re my issue I am a donating user of L26 v8 (was on v9 but have reverted) and now the only problem I have is the firewall not even starting. So to have to repeatedly ask for help and not to get even a yes or no but instead read post after post of off topic sniping grates a bit.
chef/cooks etc are the good guys and everyone appreciates the hard work they do, I would not know where to start, but bottom line is a simple acknowledgemnet would not go amis. After all is it too much to ask if a $30 application which worked on stock rom does not work on cooked?
I would not know where to start and for all I know neither would the gurus but they are in a more knowledgable position than I.
If a "sorry I dont know or definitely not" was fed back I could take it up with the application vendor/creator. But being in limbo is frustrating

Kaspersky does security stuff for WM, and had a free 30 day trial. I haven't had a rom that I've kept for more than 30 days so far anyway, so I've not hit any 30 day limits yet lol.
Chris

I would wager a bet that you're safer using internet banking with your pocket pc than a home pc over wifi (even with an antivirus).
Cooked ROMS invariably suffer compatibility issues which can have the most complicated or the simplest of explanations, however each differ from case to case.
Your problem may stem from wm6.1 itself - perhaps your antivirus is asking for rights to information that wm6.1's new coding will no longer afford it.
Did your antivirus work on any other 6.1 ROMs?
Remember 6.1 is brand new and I'm sure a number of software manufacturers are yet to fix all of their products to work with it.
Whatever the scenario you will be hard pushed to find many people in the cooking scene with ANY interest in mobile antivirus software as they are knowledgable enough to see the lack of need for it.
It would be a lot of time out of their schedule for something that would be insignificant to the majority of their downloaders, however I wouldn't personally flame you for asking.
For me a fix for the GPS issues in wm6.1 is a far greater concern.

Tis nice to have such open and friendly chat, I appreciate it thanks.
I have Airscanner anitvirus and firewall, two seperate applications. Both worked on the HTC stock 6.0 and 6.1 ROMS with no performance hit of problems.
I only run the av manually, I do not leave it running in background.
I leave fw running all the time and had no issues with it.
Since I installed l26 v8 and l26 v9 fw installs but when I try to run it it just displays a message 'error 2'
I understand now about the majority not being bothered, but I would have at least expected a yes or no from l26 just out of manners (this of course presuming l26 has read my posts and chose to ignore - apologies if I speak out of turn l26)
If I finally do not get a response from the chef after a reasonable time it would sour my view on donating in future which is a shame as in the end we are all only trying to help each other.
But after all is said and done, your comments on the 'real' threat makes me feel a little easier! Thanks ;-)

Paid apps theory..

The reason that google hasn't dished out the paid apps like planned was most likely because 1 person could pay for it, download it and then spread it around to the rest of the android community.
I mean how could they prevent us (especially with root) from doing that.
I think that either they are gonna put a complete end to root (if possible),
or they're gonna completely redo the whole market and how it works.
Maybe make it so apps are originally apks but when installed they leave behind the installer and can not be installed again by finding the apk in the internal storage.
What are your thoughts?

Could be and what you said is being discussed in another part of dream forum. Tell you the truth I've been all over the internet constantly looking for paid apps and there is not much out there. Guitar hero said it was coming to android in jan and still isnt out yet! If they do that im sure someone will find a way around that as well though haha

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Could be and what you said is being discussed in another part of dream forum. Tell you the truth I've been all over the internet constantly looking for paid apps and there is not much out there. Guitar hero said it was coming to android in jan and still isnt out yet! If they do that im sure someone will find a way around that as well though haha
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Pay or not to pay for an application have been discussed for year and I believe there are people out there are willing to pay for the application they need, even the warez version is just some clicks away from them. You see how PC's software industry lives up? I cant find any software that cant be cracked. It's just a matter of time if someone is really wanna do that.
So it should be the same case here.

While I think there will be a common security thread in the Market I think developers need to also enact their own security to prevent priates. If there is one security procedure then it only takes one crack to take everything.

They will do like a DRM on the apks kind of like the iphone has now.

Honestly, anything they would do would probably be wasted time.
The iPhone anti-piracy mechanisms have been defeated recently, and whatever Google would put forth would likely be taken apart. There's just no way to prevent it, same as the problems that other platform developers have experienced.
There will always be people who pay for their apps, and there will always be people who pirate them, and very little can be done to prevent that.

It'll probably be something like every time an app is bought it is signed with an encrypted code that is given to each individual phone and coupled with a single application.
However, would each app have a different algorithm or would it all be one big pot.
Either way..
That would work rather well
Unfortunately for me though.
I am a pirate mateyys ARRrrrrr
haitiankid4lyf.
With as little offense as possible. You understand the stupidity of your screenname right? You're a kid? For lyf?
Peter pan or somethin?

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It'll probably be something like every time an app is bought it is
haitiankid4lyf.
With as little offense as possible. You understand the stupidity of your screenname right? You're a kid? For lyf?
Peter pan or somethin?
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XD That made me laugh.

I agree. Remember though, there's not THAT many rooted users out there. I think that as long as the apps are priced reasonably, they'll be fine.

Anti-Virus for WP7

Being certified by Microsoft and specializing in Internet security, I know that Windows is the most targeted operating system for viruses, trojans, malware etc. Surely there must be an anti-virus by now for WP7.
After doing a search in the Market Place I didnt find any. There were anti-virus applications for WM6x, Iphone, Android and even Symbian but what about WP7. My guess is it wont be long before we need some sort of anti-virus protection for our devices. Picture this, you see a nice application from an independent website which wets your whistle. You install it by Toms Xap installer and your phone goes off. You try to restart but it refuses. The boot screen comes up with a message saying you are a victim of a virus which has now rendered your phone into a very expensive paper weight. It is possible and installing Xap applications through Toms Xap installer makes us even more exposed to malicious applications. WP7 Market Place scans applications and games to make sure you are protected. I'm not trying to scare people here so please dont get me wrong but I am trying to open peoples eyes and urge you to be cautious when installing applications which are not from WP7 Market Place or Xda.
I thought I would create this threat for the Xda community to share their views on this.

Personally I wont bother, its up to the users. Its all documented on Google.
see here: http://www.techgazing.com/2010/01/11/do-i-need-an-anti-virus-for-my-phone/
Russ

I would have to say that is a very interesting read. Nothing in there were mentioned about WP7. All I am saying is to be careful. That article claims there are 420 mobile phone viruses and most targeted is Symbian. This is because Symbian have been out longer than Android, Iphone and WM. Symbian certainly bought out more phones over the years so this would explain why they were targeted.
The case where the anti-virus company actually had a virus and passed it on through updates was shocking. That should never have happened and was very negligent of the anti-virus company.
Although people may think it will never happen to them, for the occasional few it does. People take out mobile phone insurance but how any people claim insurance? Why pay money for insurance when you dont take measures to backup your data and protect your device?
The internet is full of traps and data collecting nasties and you never can be sure that what ever you are downloading is 100% safe. Dont you think better to be safe than sorry should be a moto well remembered?

What you are missing is the fact that WP7 apps run completely sandboxed - they cannot reach out of their own little world.
Sure, installing a homebrew app which includes native code may circumvent this but I'd say that's the risk you take when geeking around with your phone

I think an antivirus-software is a totally useless investion of money for now.
You say, windows is the most targetted OS for viruses. Yeah, for sure, because most of people use it.
But its another thing if you look onto the mobile operating systems. The users are spread in 3-4 groups there: WM, Android, iOS and maybe the Blackberry OS.
So the virus-programmers need to choose first, for which platform they are going to write some malicious code. They are never gonna hit that much users as they would hit with Windows for Desktop.
I never heard of any popular virus for any mobilephone including WM-phones.
Secondly, WP7 is a totally new OS. For now, the count of people using this OS is way lower than that of Android and iOS - Users.
So why should hackers choose WP7 especially now as their victim?
My opinion for my last 5 years of using mobile operating systems is: You dont need it.
You have the same ability for sideloading apps with android and iOS too for now and they are much longer on the market than the new WP7 and I never heard of any viruses.

Anti-virus software is a complete waste of money, i dont use it on any of my 3 windows computers or any phones...

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I never heard of any popular virus for any mobilephone including WM-phones.
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Anti-virus software is a complete waste of money, i dont use it on any of my 3 windows computers or any phones...
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OMG are you trying to commit online suicide lol

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Norton and Kaperski have both had anti-virus on Symbian and WM
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read my post again. I didnt mean anti-virus-software, I meant viruses!

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read my post again. I didnt mean anti-virus-software, I meant viruses!
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I think I had a Homer Simpson moment then.....Duh lol

i do not think antivirus on Phone is necessary. it will rather slow down stuff.

There is only 1 (ONE) existing virus for WM 6.x. Funny enough it was created by Kaspersky in order to demonstrate that viruses are possible and ppl should install AV software
Viruses for WP7 are almost useless as apps are completely sandboxed. Same thing with iOS. Only Android offers enough freedom for malicious code and then again only if rooted.

AndHD2 said:
Being certified by Microsoft and specializing in Internet security, I know that Windows is the most targeted operating system for viruses, trojans, malware etc. Surely there must be an anti-virus by now for WP7.
After doing a search in the Market Place I didnt find any. There were anti-virus applications for WM6x, Iphone, Android and even Symbian but what about WP7. My guess is it wont be long before we need some sort of anti-virus protection for our devices. Picture this, you see a nice application from an independent website which wets your whistle. You install it by Toms Xap installer and your phone goes off. You try to restart but it refuses. The boot screen comes up with a message saying you are a victim of a virus which has now rendered your phone into a very expensive paper weight. It is possible and installing Xap applications through Toms Xap installer makes us even more exposed to malicious applications. WP7 Market Place scans applications and games to make sure you are protected. I'm not trying to scare people here so please dont get me wrong but I am trying to open peoples eyes and urge you to be cautious when installing applications which are not from WP7 Market Place or Xda.
I thought I would create this threat for the Xda community to share their views on this.
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Apparently the certificate and specialization doesn't help much when there is lack of reading. Sorry, you've started your post with that sentence and it only makes you look silly.
If you've read even ONE review of this OS you'd realize that it lacks multitasking! That saidb there is no possibility (yet) of an application (AV) running in the background to check files/processes. Besides this OS is so closed you can't even download unsupported files! Today I couldn't download a simple .rar archive - it said that WP7 doesn't support this filetype
As for sideloading applications it's not officially supported by MS so it's just one of the "risks" advanced users need to cope with as Microsoft is checking each application before posting it on the marketplace. Plus the applications written are all in managed code and we don't even have access to system functions. Even simple functions like reading the battery percentage are unsupported.
So there is technically an extremely low risk of viruses in this pretty much closed OS.

I can't imagine AV's impact on already poor battery performance on HD2 WM7.

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Apparently the certificate and specialization doesn't help much when there is lack of reading. Sorry, you've started your post with that sentence and it only makes you look silly.
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Agreed. And most of us are used to flashing a new ROM every week, which is all you'd really need to do to recover from a 'virus'. I'm struggling to see what the danger is, especially on WP7.

Poor battery performance?
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I can't imagine AV's impact on already poor battery performance on HD2 WM7.
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What exactly are you doing to cause poor battery performance with WP7 on your HD2? It is probably the best battery life I have had on my phone other than an energy rom.

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What exactly are you doing to cause poor battery performance with WP7 on your HD2? It is probably the best battery life I have had on my phone other than an energy rom.
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i think most ppl who say something about poor battery perfomance on wp7 hd2 never used push mail on their phones

whats more likely is that you get a virus on you PC that trashes your phone on flash.
ah the good old days when virus wiped BIOSs and totally ruined your day.
I think its highly unlikely anything could happn on the device its self for the reasons mentioned above, worst case you could hard reset, unlike PCs most stuff is backed up, hopefully everything soon (Myphone please MS!!) and it takes a few min to reinstall, doing the same on your PC would mean a day watching movies whilst you set it all back up again.

Obviously this is a pretty safe OS, but if they do get something like Lookout Security I'll get it, simply for peace of mind.

virus/worm problem
I landed here after a search for antivirus for wp7. i use a htc hd7 chevron unlocked and over the last two days i experienced unwanted outgoing email on my live.com account. i use live.com account on the phone and also on PC via live.com and also using outlook connector...
how can i check which is affected with a virus - pc scan using avg shows clean. the unwanted emails go out apparantly when my pc is off - so is the virus on my wp7 or actually on live.com?
according to this post, there couldnt be a virus on wp7 is it??
any help/thoughts will be much appreciated.
TIA

I think my HD2/WP7 has something dodgy monitoring my actions as after I registered my debit card with the Market & made the first 79p payment for the XDA app I get a dodgy email to my Live email claiming to be from my bank saying there has been unusual activity with a html attachment.
This is a fake, but they new my bank and Live email address and the fact that I made some unusual activity: as in the 79p app.
WP7 is open somewhere!

WP7 NoDo update (estimated) schedule posted by Microsoft

Guyz... Just came across this blog where MS is giving some estimated time frame that you can expect the NoDo or Copy/Paste update to your specific device.
This link is specific to the US devices: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-usa.aspx
HD7 Device shows up as "Scheduling". They also claim the status would be updated weekly. So go check it out.
This is the link to the Blog: http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_.../2011/03/23/copy-and-paste-update-status.aspx

I've been holding it in and am a huge supporter. This isn't going to be constructive at all but, **** MSFT AND THE CARRIERS!! It's MSFT fault either way. If the carriers are delaying release of the updates, then they should have enough nuts to say something and get it done. Hell, show them the predicted results of what happens to your market share when they piddle around and piss off customers. I've been one since I bought my Motorola MPX 220 and Ipaq Pocket PC. I've done nothing but brag about WM since it's inception. Posted facts about WM on my Facebook page to shut up people about Apple and them being the first smartphone. And now I'm just plain fed the **** UP!! Sorry to rant, but I could actually keep going. NO custom ringtones, NO Mass Storage, NO multitasking for an alarm clock that doesn't suck, NO threaded email or single email inbox, NO....you fill in the blank now. And I was excusing all these things due to my faith that MSFT will get with the program pretty quickly. Looks like it's time to fix my HD2's screen or buy a freaking Android phone until MSFT catches up in 2015!

I agree. I am so pissed at the way MS is trying to push this update. If MS can define hardware limitations, they could very well define the update rules to the carriers. I think MS should grow a pair and tell the manufacturers/carriers to push the update all at once its ready.
This is so frustrating. No doubt Apple is the master of delivering the updates. In fact, Apple does not even have to announce a software update, every one knows they can expect one every year in March/April.
I thought MS would have learnt something good when they launched WP7.
"Push updates in Batches" my Ass.

It's MSFT fault either way
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You sure about that or are you just itching to point an unnecessary finger at MS??
Hell, show them the predicted results of what happens to your market share when they piddle around and piss off customers. I've been one since I bought my Motorola MPX 220 and Ipaq Pocket PC. I've done nothing but brag about WM since it's inception.
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wow... all that and THIS is what gets to you. You waded through all the other stuff, You go back to about 2003 with MS you finally get a FAR SUPERIOR device and this minor wait is doing it??
Come the hell on.
NO custom ringtones, NO Mass Storage, NO multitasking for an alarm clock that doesn't suck, NO threaded email or single email inbox, NO....you fill in the blank now.
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I think the rest of us are going to need a life raft just to avoid drowning in your silly-ass tears.
Ya know, I think it's big of MS ot post the fact that the carriers are the ones holding **** up. Who else does that?
If MS can define hardware limitations, they could very well define the update rules to the carriers. I think MS should grow a pair and tell the manufacturers/carriers to push the update all at once its ready.
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Hold on there pard'ner. You are talking about two VERY different entities. MS, and manufcturers are ALL at the mercy of carriers.
No doubt Apple is the master of delivering the updates. In fact, Apple does not even have to announce a software update, every one knows they can expect one every year in March/April.
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So... one update a year, then a new phone later that year (or so) and they are "masters" at this?? The ****... seriously?!?
I have a solution for everyone one Apple or Android. But don't forget your hankys 'cuz you will have PLENTY to ***** about there too.
Kthxbye!

Hi Everyone,
Not sure if this has already been posted but here is a schedule for people OUTSIDE the U.S. as well...
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...pdate-status-carriers-countries-and-devices/#
Not 100% sure on the acuracy of it but I hope it helps...

Sean D. said:
You sure about that or are you just itching to point an unnecessary finger at MS??
wow... all that and THIS is what gets to you. You waded through all the other stuff, You go back to about 2003 with MS you finally get a FAR SUPERIOR device and this minor wait is doing it??
Come the hell on.
I think the rest of us are going to need a life raft just to avoid drowning in your silly-ass tears.
Ya know, I think it's big of MS ot post the fact that the carriers are the ones holding **** up. Who else does that?
Hold on there pard'ner. You are talking about two VERY different entities. MS, and manufcturers are ALL at the mercy of carriers.
So... one update a year, then a new phone later that year (or so) and they are "masters" at this?? The ****... seriously?!?
I have a solution for everyone one Apple or Android. But don't forget your hankys 'cuz you will have PLENTY to ***** about there too.
Kthxbye!
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I have HD2 running android and have less to complain about then with WP7.
I also have HD7 with half an OS on it. It reminds me it is half an OS as each time I want to do something there is no option for it or it says no.
WP7 has potential but the way it is going that's where it is going to stay till XDA developers hack it.
Name smartphone was invented for a reason, it was to be used with phones that were "smarter" then average mobile. Had plenty of functions where everyone could find what they need. Current range of WP7 phones, Apple phones are a retarded version of smartphone but that only makes it an average phone, just huge!!!

Sean D. said:
So... one update a year, then a new phone later that year (or so) and they are "masters" at this?? The ****... seriously?!?
I have a solution for everyone one Apple or Android. But don't forget your hankys 'cuz you will have PLENTY to ***** about there too.
Kthxbye!
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You still haven't made your point.
An update every year to all its zillion+ customer base at once with our any issues irrespective of the carrier, across countries and continents. If they are not masters of this, you let me know the word I can use or you think appropriate.
A tiny-ass copy/paste update (which I'm not even crazy about) is taking them forever to deliver to it's customers. The reason I'm more interested in the update is for the Bluetooth fix and the email pictures fix, which when sent form an iPhone is not received.
An Apple or Android for every one of us? I cannot talk for others, but I've been there done that. Not apple of course (except for the 1st gen phone which I was using it on T-Mobile after unlocking it myself). I currently own a N1, HD2, HD7 (my primary device) and Galaxy S (my wife).
I'm not really sure about your devices experience, but you have lot a lot to say with out any point.

ruscik said:
I have HD2 running android and have less to complain about then with WP7.
I also have HD7 with half an OS on it. It reminds me it is half an OS as each time I want to do something there is no option for it or it says no.
WP7 has potential but the way it is going that's where it is going to stay till XDA developers hack it.
Name smartphone was invented for a reason, it was to be used with phones that were "smarter" then average mobile. Had plenty of functions where everyone could find what they need. Current range of WP7 phones, Apple phones are a retarded version of smartphone but that only makes it an average phone, just huge!!!
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One question - How many times in a week do your reboot your phone or flash a ROM. I'm not asking if you are flashing ROM because there is a new one out there, I'm asking about the times you flash because of the hope the next one would be more usable and stable.
I was done looking for a perfect ROM and fed-up with ROMs that require a reboot every 12 or 24 hrs for them to work with out hanging up. I found the level of stability, usability, functionality and ease with WP7 OS. Thats why I switched. Of course the Apps and Games are a HUGE bonus for me.

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I agree. I am so pissed at the way MS is trying to push this update. If MS can define hardware limitations, they could very well define the update rules to the carriers. I think MS should grow a pair and tell the manufacturers/carriers to push the update all at once its ready.
This is so frustrating. No doubt Apple is the master of delivering the updates. In fact, Apple does not even have to announce a software update, every one knows they can expect one every year in March/April.
I thought MS would have learnt something good when they launched WP7.
"Push updates in Batches" my Ass.
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If you actually stopped to think about what you just said, apple can do that because first of all they make their OWN devices (which are extremely overpriced/battery cant be replaced easily if at all) so yeah they can just send out an update, it doesnt have to be test on all of these different manufactured devices. So.........Apple still sucks..........WINDOWS PHONE ALL THE WAY!!!
You guys have to give microsoft a break. It is illogical and unfair to compare a first year company in the new smartphone age to others (apple and android) which have been around for years. Apple and android had really shaky starts too, maybe even worse. Its just an update guys, give microsoft a break on their new and amazing product! NICE JOB MS, keep the magic coming.
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I agree here 100%. I came from WM 6.1 Pro to Android and dont get me wrong... I love my Droid but man did I do alot of *****ing waiting for my FroYo update and for what really? Flash was the biggest upgrade from Eclair and Apps2SD... REALLY??? Apps2SD??? My Omnia i910 could do that right out of the box but I had to wait for an update to do it on my Galaxy S I thought to myself...
This is a similar scenario here and guess what??? *****ing or NO *****ing we still have to wait NO MATTER WHAT!!!
I think MS has done a fantastic job on this OS and although it is lacking some pretty basic functionality as of now, IT WILL COME just like having to wait for Apps2 SD on Android which to me coming from WM 6.1 Pro I thought was pretty basic.
Hold your horses people and let MS do its thing and when this OS begins to mature a bit I have no doubt that it will be an absolute BEAST!!!
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If you actually stopped to think about what you just said, apple can do that because first of all they make their OWN devices (which are extremely overpriced/battery cant be replaced easily if at all) so yeah they can just send out an update, it doesnt have to be test on all of these different manufactured devices. So.........Apple still sucks..........WINDOWS PHONE ALL THE WAY!!!
You guys have to give microsoft a break. It is illogical and unfair to compare a first year company in the new smartphone age to others (apple and android) which have been around for years. Apple and android had really shaky starts too, maybe even worse. Its just an update guys, give microsoft a break on their new and amazing product! NICE JOB MS, keep the magic coming.
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If not for the *****ing, we wouldn't even have the schedule they posted in their Blog. If they had took care of informing their customers in a timely manner and with accurate info, no one would've been *****ing. Instead, they were promoting their coming updates and fixes giving vague timings and everyone are frustrated not knowing what and when to expect.
The reason I got this device is because I love the OS. But that does not get away from the fact that they screwed up the update process.

the question now is, how often will ms be updating the website. we need to know cause the updates in the website (for hd7's) says that they are to be scheduled and it says it will take 10 days or less. when will the counting of days start? from the time the website was opened? if this is the case were now down to 7 days of wait time. i think ms needs to start re-labeling the updates. NoDo should be april update not march update

Sean D. said:
You sure about that or are you just itching to point an unnecessary finger at MS??
wow... all that and THIS is what gets to you. You waded through all the other stuff, You go back to about 2003 with MS you finally get a FAR SUPERIOR device and this minor wait is doing it??
Come the hell on.
I think the rest of us are going to need a life raft just to avoid drowning in your silly-ass tears.
Ya know, I think it's big of MS ot post the fact that the carriers are the ones holding **** up. Who else does that?
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The finger pointing isn't unnecessary. Either they care about making customer's happy (who buy the product) or they can be more concerned about the carriers (which in my case Tmobile) haven't shown that much support for the OS in the first place. And you're right, I waded through all the other stuff because winmo really wasn't that bad if you understood what you were getting. For 2003, viewing movies, listening to mp3's and using Office features on a phone were so cutting edge, that you were willing to deal with the occasional bug, lock up or sometimes slowness of the OS. The only thing they did with WP7 was fix the ugliness,smoothness, and overall stability of the OS. Which is exactly what needed to happen. I applaud them for the fresh start. But, seriously, we're in 2011 now (8 yrs later) and you can't regress so far backwards, and then waste loads of time to re-implement things your previous (and every other OS) does now. I mean, what second or newer iteration of a product have you seen that loses a lot of it's most valuable marketing aspects? And as for my tear being silly. Your disillusioned in your thoughts that you don't need such things as I mentioned. If there was no need for them, then mobile OS's wouldn't have them and no one would care.

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The finger pointing isn't unnecessary. Either they care about making customer's happy (who buy the product) or they can be more concerned about the carriers (which in my case Tmobile) haven't shown that much support for the OS in the first place. And you're right, I waded through all the other stuff because winmo really wasn't that bad if you understood what you were getting. For 2003, viewing movies, listening to mp3's and using Office features on a phone were so cutting edge, that you were willing to deal with the occasional bug, lock up or sometimes slowness of the OS. The only thing they did with WP7 was fix the ugliness,smoothness, and overall stability of the OS. Which is exactly what needed to happen. I applaud them for the fresh start. But, seriously, we're in 2011 now (8 yrs later) and you can't regress so far backwards, and then waste loads of time to re-implement things your previous (and every other OS) does now. I mean, what second or newer iteration of a product have you seen that loses a lot of it's most valuable marketing aspects? And as for my tear being silly. Your disillusioned in your thoughts that you don't need such things as I mentioned. If there was no need for them, then mobile OS's wouldn't have them and no one would care.
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What do you mean...? They are doing something they NEVER did. They are not only supporting this OS, but addressing it in ways they never have before. I do agree that some things should not have been left out to begin with, IMO it is unacceptable to leave out something as minor as C&P. But they aren't the only ones who did this, and whoever compared them to apple is missing that this minor update is being given away they aren't forcing you to by another device to get it. You said it yourself, MS is not new to this game... hell in most ways they started the smartphone game the way it exists today.
So take a look at the ways Android (one of the OS's everyone claims is doing it right) went about rolling out Froyo. Or look at the fact that Apple is and has been pushing shiney, brand new feature to the masses that were available on my Kaiser in 2007 (front facing camera) or how they are masters at turd polishing.
With that in mind how are they really messing up?
You are seeing MS do things with it that we saw no signs of in 2003 but you feel they are making that big of a mistake?? I urge you to look past the minor crap and look at the overall picture.
There is no way you can logically look at this OS as a whole and see any real regressions. "Imperfections", hell yes. But regressions?? No way. The worst part about this update is that it has been beat to **** so bad that it can only catch negativity at this point. It has been splashed from site to site, and talked about at length... the expectations and anticipations are so high that people can only be let down. Back the hell away from the keyboard and chill out about something so small people.
Please read these links.
http://wmpoweruser.com/editorial-the-continuing-diminishing-return-from-updates/
http://wpcentral.com/fanboy-s-defense-microsoft

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What do you mean...? They are doing something they NEVER did. They are not only supporting this OS, but addressing it in ways they never have before. ... and whoever compared them to apple is missing that this minor update is being given away they aren't forcing you to by another device to get it. ... There is no way you can logically look at this OS as a whole and see any real regressions. "Imperfections", hell yes. But regressions?? No way. The worst part about this update is that it has been beat to **** so bad that it can only catch negativity at this point. It has been splashed from site to site, and talked about at length... the expectations and anticipations are so high that people can only be let down. Back the hell away from the keyboard and chill out about something so small people.
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They did support windows mobile, there was plenty of new builds just when WP7 project started it wend down. Yes they address update process in a new way but it is a flaud way. What testing carriers need to do? I mean FFS they put their own picture and search engine in, that is it.
I agree MS is more concerned about keeping o2, Tmobile or other carrier happy and as per normal do not care about ned user. We paid for this device and we should get an update ASAP bypassing carriers. Apple 3gs runs software of apple 4 and I think apple 3g also so no they do not force you to buy new device.
Also as said before all apple users get update from apple on apple rules and apple does not care about carriers.
You say you can not look at this OS as regression, you say update is doomed to fail due to high expectations that will never be fulfilled. Did you stop to think where are those expectations coming from. It is only normal to compare new OS to old one to see the upgrades, advantages. With WP7 there is only one smooth interface. People expect the same fitures that were in windows mobile, that all other OS makers copied. C&P, internet sharing, portable storage mode are just few big ones that MS ignored?! Why?! Why there is still no GPS software, it seems no big makers want to make one, that can only be Microsoft fault and do not tell me they care about customers because then they would be insisting for TomTom or copilot do one to complete their platform.

The only things I have read about other Nav software has been sketchy. And one of the reasons (real or not) is because they don't want to compete with whatever Bing updates are coming (whenever that is).
Not sure if its legit or not, but I saw it somewhere.
I will say that seeing Bing be so far superior on the other platforms is horse ****. If they want to do any one thing to make me more satisfied that would be it. Beyond that, as important as the update is I'm not going to cry about it taking this long.
Especially if it has to do with the carriers.

Bing navigation is **** that is it. It might work for US where significant number of people never leave US. However here in Europe, rest of the world as well people take their cars/bikes abroad and want to use GPS. Data roaming costs more then brick of gold so sorry that makes any online navigation ****.
I will not even mention fact that if you have basic gprs connection (the slowest) navigation will not work for sudden change of roads.

I have the dell venue pro TMo US. Just received my pre-nodo and nodo update today. I love you microsoft. Hope this fixes the wifi issue. No problems so far.

I've updated my HD7 to NoDo via the process of disconnecting data while Zune is checking for the update. Worked like a charm. I did this yesterday, couldn't rely on MS anymore to add my device to their batch process. The update is out there approved by most of the carriers. MS is the one that's limiting the update through whatever criteria within the Zune.
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Maybe it's time for you to adandon MS all together. Chances are you'll be *****ing about them from here on out so why put yourself through it?
Maybe I'm mising something but I figure by now if it was ALL MS's fault more carriers would have pointed fingers back at them just to save face f nothing else, right?

[Q] virus at work?

Way off phone topic.... I did not want to sign up for another forum to ask this question. I figure that there are enough corporate techies here. I received an IM from the IT department at work saying there was a virus on my computer. He took remote access of my PC and ran a scan revealing trojan files in multiple profiles under documents and settings of several user Id's. I Browse safe at work only known news sites and XDA of course. I dont even use this computer very often. My fear is that this may fall on my head. Given that it was discovered when i was logged in to the computer at the time. and I I heard no one else in the department say that IT scanned their computer as well. Needless to say I am pretty scared about maybe loosing my job, The only reassuring thing I have right now is that from what I can see the trojan did how under my profile folder. can someone shed some light on this situation. or point me in a direction to reassure myself that this is not my fault.

Are you 100% positive that it was the IT department IMing you? Kind of sounds to me like a prank or one of those fake antivirus software.

Err.....wow! I understand what you are going through mate. had the same issue with an ex-employee here that clicked on the wrong link and ended up with an ugly piece of malware in her PC. PC died and had to be replaced.
The only reason for you to be afraid is that "you" know what sites you visited or what files you downloaded otherwise there should not be any repercussions.
Now, if your company forbids in any way the use of the PC for personal use and you did so and ended up costing them money...I would highly suggest going to your superiors and talk to them apologizing for the incident and promising that this will never happen again.
Also....be aware of pop-up windows telling you that you have a virus or trojan and asking you to click on the "scan" button...that's how she got that virus

I am sure this wasnt a prank.... the took remote access to my pc and did some work nobody that knows me could have done. Your right MTM my only saving grace right now is that I know what sites i visited and i know what i have done. My work permits moderate personal use during down time. I dont know much but I know not to click any suspicious links. I am mildly tech savvy. The only thing i ever downloaded to a work computer is a zipped rom from this sight, because I killed my Evo once or twice at work. we do have a lot of down time.... during that time I can look around and see numerous people on facebook streaming videos and even watching dvds in the company machines I guess my work ethic does not undertand this. I know the hammer is coming down... I guess my real question is that if by chance i caught this virus would have showed up in my profile as well as the others because i did not see it in mine just about 8 other peoples profiles on this PC. Thanks alot for your responses. I guess paranoia and fear has gotten a hold of m e At the moment I am grossly underemployed at the moment and this job is misery but i am lucky to have it and really cannot loose it.
Oh yea and LOL on your thread cat

Good luck mate and hopefully there won't be any repercussions and if there are....an important lesson has been learned here, I hope
Cheers,

Chances are the trojans were in your temporary internet files folder under your profile and from the sounds of it other people who've used your computer have had it too.
I wouldn't worry about it, legitimate sites can get hacked and then infect visitors, or just get downloaded to temp internet files without infecting anything.

Same here...
My personal computer at home was infected two nights ago by a "Rogue:Win32/FaceScanti" virus/malware. The funny thing was the time/datestamps on the files (under the hidden AppData folder in my user directory) were during a time I wasn't even on the computer. I did, however, have several IE windows open on XDA threads. (I'm not big fan of how XDA pages constantly refresh in the background, either.)
Anybody else have something similar happen to them, or suspicions that it might have come through an XDA forum ad? I'm an IT professional, and VERY careful what I do and do not click on.

Strange I don't think that is what happened in my case but what do I know... I see people at work visiting sites on work machines that I would not go to on my worst enemies computer. My mind was eased today when I got to work and I actually saw some one on the pirate bay site . But I am still confused as to why the virus would show up while I am logged in but not show in My profile folders during the scan. oh well thanks for your input everyone
And I an not in IT to any extent and I don't click on anything!!!
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