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Firewall and Anti-Virus

I searched the forums for firewall but nothing really relevant came up.
For my laptop and desktop I use ZoneAlarm security suite (AV, firewall and the whole lot). On the Kaiser there is ... nothing? Am I protected in any way, or do hackers and virus'es have free access when I am online? If so, what do the rest of you do to prevent this?

Could I assume this is of no concern, since no-one replies? I am happy to live without AV-FW software on my PDA, but I don't hope I get any virus in it!

eTrust do antivirus software and Airscanner do av and Firewall sw.
A quick search in Google will find you these sites.

Would AV/firewall grind the Kaiser to a grind or will it run OK?
Any one already running firewall? How much strain is it on the cpu?
Thanks

i ran fsecure for a bit and have also used airscanner for a bit, but TBH have you ever heard of a PDA getting a virus etc. ive certianly had no problems without them anyway.

Does anyone care about security ?
Hi...
I was flabbergasted when I did a search and found that ZoneAlarm, AVG and the other big internet security companies dont offer stuff for Pocket PC's !!! You would think they would be falling over one another to be 'First to Market' and offer it seeing as PPC's are predicted to be a 'big thing' in the mobile sector. Theres big bucks begging to be made here, surely !
...anyway.
Which Firewall & Antivirus etc do forum members recommend ?
TIA.
Mark.

loser40 said:
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I was flabbergasted when I did a search and found that ZoneAlarm, AVG and the other big internet security companies dont offer stuff for Pocket PC's !!! You would think they would be falling over one another to be 'First to Market' and offer it seeing as PPC's are predicted to be a 'big thing' in the mobile sector. Theres big bucks begging to be made here, surely !
...anyway.
Which Firewall & Antivirus etc do forum members recommend ?
TIA.
Mark.
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Hey the reason no one makes them for ppc's is because no one writes viruses for ppc's.i have spybot search and destroy for my mogul just cause im a computer hacker and ive seen some of my friends write a couple, they cant really do much though. I would say that u dont need one...also no one distributes viruses for ppc's because the odds of their viruses making it to a ppc and not a pc are very very slim.

i am at work right now. tonight i will download mobilesecruity cab i use. it has a 30 day trial then you have to buy.

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Bitdefender has a Mobile Security product as well. I scooped it up for free when it was in beta test, runs fine and doesn't seem to hit system performance much if at all.

There isn't a single PPC virus "in the wild" and any custom built trojan someone packs into a cab and posts here isn't likely to be caught by any of the current scanners because they are all signature based.
Really being sensible about what you run is the only current option, most WM phones run slow enough as it is without a resident scanner bogging them down anyway.

Symantec recently released an updated version of their "Norton Smartphone Security" software which includes the following components:
- mobile anti-virus; mobile firewall; SMS anti-spam; and LiveUpdate
I have been using this for about 3 weeks on my HTC TYTN II (with the shipped ROM) and have not noticed any performance degradation/reduction. In fact, it seems to have a pretty small footprint - 1.8 MB is the install size.

McAfee has a mobile antivirus, but it isnt free if thats what your looking for

I was happily using Airscanner firewall 3.0 with joy and no performance hit on the HTC stock wm6.1 ROM.
But I am now using the super L26 v9 but the firewall wont load on this ROM or on the previous v8 lite.
I am hoping I will get an answer for this.

I really think this is a waste of time. Norton, F-secure etc make these antiviruses knowing FULL WELL that no genuinely threatening viruses are in the wild - at least none that I've ever heard of or experienced.
I'd be interested to know WHAT these programs are scanning for!
There is plenty of antivirus software for the symbian platform which in my experience only serves to hit speed and performance with absolutely no real-world use whatsoever. In order for a Symbian application that uses critical system rights to be installlable it must first be signed by Symbian - with this in mind it is virtually impossible for a dialler or other frightful gremlin to reach your phone.
I'm sure a similar principal applies to Windows Mobile devices. Besides, it's far more fun to spread a virus on a proper windows platform, with greater consequences, and a hell of a lot easier too.
I really think these companies make most of their money from paranoia, so I choose to ignore them and I will for a while yet.

Fair comment as of course at the end of the day it is down to user choice.
I found f-secure and norton to be crap and would not run right, but airscanner both firewall and anti virus worked perfect on the htc stock rom.
L26 v8 & v9 are great and I prefer these over the stock rom as they are so much faster but to then get a app you just paid for not to work it is human nature to want to get it back.
I have never been hit by a virus etc on my laptop but still choose to use ZoneAlarm and my works VPN when necessary "just to be safe"
An example here is a local water supplier says many areas around here have a bug in the water so people should boil before drinking. Many say our own town is not affected so it does not affect us even tho same water comapny.
I say "I would rather play safe and boil the water then get the squits!" and wait for the comapny to give a global all clear.

there is that, but at least with your example there is evidence of impending health problems, however in this case there is little to support the need for an antivirus; no evidence of any great virus looming on the horizon, thus an antivirus precaution is to me overkill. who's to say that any mobile antivirus will even work? there's nothing to test these programs out with. The fact is that viruses are targeted at windows xp and vista pcs because almost everybody has them and they contain a lot of personal information. Mobile phones almost never have as much on them aside from contacts and perhaps random documents so to target a phone would never be as fruitful. anyone with any sense will encrypt sensitive information anyway as the likelihood of losing or having your phone stolen greatly outweighs the likelihood of a virus.
i think a better analogy would be to say that it would be like armour plating your car because you're heard about Securicor vans being hit for their money: the reality is that securicor vans have far more desirable contents for the higher-minded felon; your little phone (being the armour plated car) will only attract the attention of petty criminals.

I like your way of thinking and take it on board. The reason I bought the antivirus and firewall in the first place was that I will need to connect to my online bank when abroad and wanted to be belt and braces lest some hacker et al intercepts or whatever and takes me up the back passage!
However this may be down to my lack of knowledge of what is considered insure and secure etc.
I know I need to ensure when entering any sensitive data it should be done on a https site. Also my bank ensures its customeres their site is safe and secure. I just wanted to ensure my side is.
Also, this is no way intended to call for a flaming attack on me as I have read some very heated debates on this site which in a way tends to stiffle what people may want to say but do not due to fear of a back lash.
Re my issue I am a donating user of L26 v8 (was on v9 but have reverted) and now the only problem I have is the firewall not even starting. So to have to repeatedly ask for help and not to get even a yes or no but instead read post after post of off topic sniping grates a bit.
chef/cooks etc are the good guys and everyone appreciates the hard work they do, I would not know where to start, but bottom line is a simple acknowledgemnet would not go amis. After all is it too much to ask if a $30 application which worked on stock rom does not work on cooked?
I would not know where to start and for all I know neither would the gurus but they are in a more knowledgable position than I.
If a "sorry I dont know or definitely not" was fed back I could take it up with the application vendor/creator. But being in limbo is frustrating

Kaspersky does security stuff for WM, and had a free 30 day trial. I haven't had a rom that I've kept for more than 30 days so far anyway, so I've not hit any 30 day limits yet lol.
Chris

I would wager a bet that you're safer using internet banking with your pocket pc than a home pc over wifi (even with an antivirus).
Cooked ROMS invariably suffer compatibility issues which can have the most complicated or the simplest of explanations, however each differ from case to case.
Your problem may stem from wm6.1 itself - perhaps your antivirus is asking for rights to information that wm6.1's new coding will no longer afford it.
Did your antivirus work on any other 6.1 ROMs?
Remember 6.1 is brand new and I'm sure a number of software manufacturers are yet to fix all of their products to work with it.
Whatever the scenario you will be hard pushed to find many people in the cooking scene with ANY interest in mobile antivirus software as they are knowledgable enough to see the lack of need for it.
It would be a lot of time out of their schedule for something that would be insignificant to the majority of their downloaders, however I wouldn't personally flame you for asking.
For me a fix for the GPS issues in wm6.1 is a far greater concern.

Tis nice to have such open and friendly chat, I appreciate it thanks.
I have Airscanner anitvirus and firewall, two seperate applications. Both worked on the HTC stock 6.0 and 6.1 ROMS with no performance hit of problems.
I only run the av manually, I do not leave it running in background.
I leave fw running all the time and had no issues with it.
Since I installed l26 v8 and l26 v9 fw installs but when I try to run it it just displays a message 'error 2'
I understand now about the majority not being bothered, but I would have at least expected a yes or no from l26 just out of manners (this of course presuming l26 has read my posts and chose to ignore - apologies if I speak out of turn l26)
If I finally do not get a response from the chef after a reasonable time it would sour my view on donating in future which is a shame as in the end we are all only trying to help each other.
But after all is said and done, your comments on the 'real' threat makes me feel a little easier! Thanks ;-)

Can someone recommend a good antivirus?

I need a good antivirus for my PPC. Im really looking for one that is cheap but at the same time does the job. I was looking at Norton or Kaspersky. You can recommend others, thats what came to mind first.
Also, preferably one that has good updates for new viruses or what not, thanks.

I believe the vast majority still feel this is an unnecessary measure to take. But I have played with Norton and Trend Micro, both do what they advertise...Trend seems to have a memory leak or some sort of bad caching system for its realtime scan that eventually leaves only a trickle of usable RAM.
(Re)Enable security\policies and you will be pretty safe as long as you exercise good judgement with what you download and install.

IMHO without doubt
Symantec AntiVirus(TM) for Handhelds -- Corporate Edition Version 3.5

i've always been curious as to the need for ppc antivirus software. i once installed an app but i eventually removed it as i never really found the use for this. on that subject, has anyone actually gotten a virus in their ppc? i read somewhere in this forum that the software used by our ppcs is not as susceptible to virus attacks as compared to say, desktops or laptops. i've never had any kind of virus attack (or maybe there is one in my ppc and i just don't know it =) despite my web surfing, outlook, activesync, opera, mms, etc, in the past 5 or 6 years that i've used a ppc i've never encountered a virus.
so with that, i'd appreciate if someone who actually experienced having a virus attack their ppc describe what happened. i mean, symptoms, does your ppc hang, is there like a window that pops up, etc.
cheers

current virus's cant jump from pc's to pda's
or from symbian to wm or iphone or linux flavours
so the pda base is still too small for people to bother aiming
their viral cannon at us if you ask me

If you ask me I would say ZenOK Free Antivirus no doubt so far the best software I've ever used to protect my PC against spyware.

Reviving the dead!!
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Have you noticed the date of the post previous to you?
2008
Sure he/she found already
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If you ask me I would say ZenOK Free Antivirus no doubt so far the best software I've ever used to protect my PC against spyware.
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These days its all about Avast (and its free for home use!)
Its got the most accurate virus catches I've seen yet
and by accurate I mean it catches the bad stuff with little to no false negatives.
But possibly my favorite part is its nice on system resources. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people put something huge like Norton on a slow pc only to get viruses anyway. Then ask me to fix it. Once Avast is install they say, "Its faster than ever, how'd you do that?"

DISAPPOINTED in HTC and Windows Phone 7

1- Cannot install any program on my phone such as SSH client I use for work and nothing on the market place.
2- No GPS with direction software.
3- Cannot sync my device with outlook 2010 on my computer.
4- RTL or BIDI languages show character by character and I cannot read websites in those languages.
5- Opera mobile was my choice of surfing the web but now cannot be used.
6- Not much choice of ringtones or themes.
7- I do not want to use any pirated software but this is not what I expected. I feel trapped in Microsoft powered HTC jail and am very concerned about my privacy.
The device works fast, is responsive and neat but I consider not buying HTC mobile products anymore.

wow. you just became an XDA member just to post your rants on HTC?

hmbe said:
1- Cannot install any program on my phone such as SSH client I use for work and nothing on the market place.
2- No GPS with direction software.
3- Cannot sync my device with outlook 2010 on my computer.
4- RTL or BIDI languages show character by character and I cannot read websites in those languages.
5- Opera mobile was my choice of surfing the web but now cannot be used.
6- Not much choice of ringtones or themes.
7- I do not want to use any pirated software but this is not what I expected. I feel trapped in Microsoft powered HTC jail and am very concerned about my privacy.
The device works fast, is responsive and neat but I consider not buying HTC mobile products anymore.
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wow. you just became an XDA member just to post your rants on HTC?
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He's got a valid point but I wouldn't blame HTC. Those problems are on all Windows Phone 7 phones. HTC makes great phones. Buy an Android phone dude. I have the HD7 but I also kept all my Android phones I've bought over the years. My HD7 stays put away in my pocket unless the battery in my Android phone dies or I wanna watch something on Netflix and it will stay in my pocket or put away until HTC/Microsoft/T-Mobile release a MAJOR update to fix or add all the features I need in my phone. I have a feeling it will remain in my pocket for quite some time tho.

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That is not the point and these are not rants.
If this helps others or points htc/ms to do something, i would again register to post.
8- Battery life is real short. I read somewhere that changing the backgound to full black will improve the battery life and it does but wifi, 3g, screen light and light background are battery killers! I used to have much more battery life on my old diamond 2!

julez456 said:
He's got a valid point but I wouldn't blame HTC. Those problems are on all Windows Phone 7 phones. HTC makes great phones. Buy an Android phone dude. I have the HD7 but I also kept all my Android phones I've bought over the years. My HD7 stays put away in my pocket unless the battery in my Android phone dies or I wanna watch something on Netflix and it will stay in my pocket or put away until HTC/Microsoft/T-Mobile release a MAJOR update to fix or add all the features I need in my phone. I have a feeling it will remain in my pocket for quite some time tho.
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Thank you for your post. To be honest I do not like Google much and think they are not clear about what they do with the information they gather over people and their activities.
Droid phone as you mentiond do have many good points but a lot of my points also applies to phones like desire hd.
I guss it is about users againt big guys or better said being jailled by big guys. Take IPhone as an example. Microsoft mobile was the only one that was not a warden but looks like competition drives them that way. It is a shame. They just do not or do not like to think if they are good the customer will stay with them.

I wonder if there was this much crying when iPhone came out?

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I wonder if there was this much crying when iPhone came out?
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exactly.... nothing is perfect on birth...everything needs versions and versions...
be it software or hardware...everything will become perfect or nearly perfect in time. ( for example : windows xp was crap , then with sp2 ...BAM!!!)ok nothing else is coming to my head..but you got the idea , right ??
with updates and revised mobile bodies , any mobile can top.,..
just give HTC or MS ( or any other company ) some time for their updates, after they review all the positive negative feedback....

Although you'r a first time poster on XDA, i'm sure your familiar with Forum's in general and forum rules. The main one being READ THE STICKIES AND SEARCH BEFORE POSTING.
All of what you have said has been convered a dozen times and is also consolidated with the other "Features" which the OS is lacking in a Stickie at the top of this forum (here) AND in the WP7 Generic Forum (Here or Here).
As for some of your concerns, why are you concerned about your privacy? Please explain. The "changing the background colour to black" won't help you with an HD7, as it uses an SLCD screen, meaning no matter whether it's white or black, the backlight will still be on. This is only relevant for LED screens where a black screen means the pixels are not illuminate and therefore consuming no power (however when they're white, they consume up to 3x as much power as an LCD screen). My HD7 provides me with about 36 hours of charge, with screen brightness set to auto, and wifi/bluetooth/gsm all turned on. I could go a day and a half without a charge however i've always charged smartphones every night anyway as they all consume alot of power.
Other than that, welcome to the forum. As other's have said, the OS is only 4 months old. Give it time. The features you want will become available sooner or later.

Thanks everyone for your replies.
I know that a lot of my points are posted and discussed in other post but I thought it might be good to put them together as a sort of complaint.
Apple's IPhone mobile OS was new and I can see 3 and 4 share a lot of features. With Google you know that you will have to do syncs online. I had an idea about what he wanted and WP7 was disappointing. However I have to wait and see what will happen after MS and/or HTC work on HD7.
I have to sync my calendar and contacts with my live account and this is a huge lake of privacy in WP7.
Given the fact that I have paid for a lot of apps on my diamond 2 such as SSH client, VoIP softphone, GPS, I thought just like software on my desktop I will be able to use most of them or there will be an upgrade for my HD7 WP7.
I sit crossing my fingers and hope big guys think about users.

Windows Phone 7 is clearly not for you. Return the phone and get something else.

hmbe said:
Thanks everyone for your replies.
I know that a lot of my points are posted and discussed in other post but I thought it might be good to put them together as a sort of complaint.
Apple's IPhone mobile OS was new and I can see 3 and 4 share a lot of features. With Google you know that you will have to do syncs online. I had an idea about what he wanted and WP7 was disappointing. However I have to wait and see what will happen after MS and/or HTC work on HD7.
I have to sync my calendar and contacts with my live account and this is a huge lake of privacy in WP7.
Given the fact that I have paid for a lot of apps on my diamond 2 such as SSH client, VoIP softphone, GPS, I thought just like software on my desktop I will be able to use most of them or there will be an upgrade for my HD7 WP7.
I sit crossing my fingers and hope big guys think about users.
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dude what do u want??? every one knew what WP7 can and can not do.... u still bought the device and now u are blaming the MS and HTC.... diamond 2 screen and hd 7 screen are two diffrent worlds, size is very diffrent... if you want to save battery, use auto screen brightness, do not push email....

hmbe said:
Thanks everyone for your replies.
I know that a lot of my points are posted and discussed in other post but I thought it might be good to put them together as a sort of complaint.
Apple's IPhone mobile OS was new and I can see 3 and 4 share a lot of features. With Google you know that you will have to do syncs online. I had an idea about what he wanted and WP7 was disappointing. However I have to wait and see what will happen after MS and/or HTC work on HD7.
I have to sync my calendar and contacts with my live account and this is a huge lake of privacy in WP7.
Given the fact that I have paid for a lot of apps on my diamond 2 such as SSH client, VoIP softphone, GPS, I thought just like software on my desktop I will be able to use most of them or there will be an upgrade for my HD7 WP7.
I sit crossing my fingers and hope big guys think about users.
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Unfortunately, it seems you didn't do enough research before making the jump to Windows Phone 7.
Forget about the phone hardware itself, Windows Phone 7 is a totally different platform than Windows Mobile 6.5 and below. Two totally separate products. Your complaints are not complaints because they are all issues that Microsoft is well aware of and that everyone has discussed before. This is a brand new product, and of course things won't be perfect and won't have all the features you demand.
As for the software you previously purchased, that's not a fault of Microsoft as they did not develop such software. That falls on the developers of your software. They make the decision whether to develop software compatible with Windows Phone 7, and they make the decision to offer you free upgrades or not. That is not something Microsoft can control. So regardless of the platform, when you buy software, you are at the mercy of those developers.
And in regards to your privacy and information through Windows Live, you are not required to sign in with a Windows Live ID. You can skip that part of the setup process and use the basic features of your phone. But you miss out on many of the phone's features of course. So that is totally up to you.

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Hellz no! And if there was this much crying nonbody could pull steve jobs' sack out of their face long enough to show you their tears.
I understand the OP's issues... as minor as they are, but sweet Jesus it has been beat to death. Nobody needs empty praise, but the unecessary crying over what amounts to nothing, or temporary shortcomings needs to stop.
Or better yet, it could be worse. Here we're wanting a FREE software update. With apple you'll be waiting till next year to buy a whole new phone so you can get something that another phone has had for the past 5 years.
And with Android (as cool as it is) you may or may not even get the latest/greatest updates.
So... uhh, yeah... g'head and dry those tears Homie.

1. MS not release socket support right now yet til Mango update,so no any ssh apps for sure.
2. I think that from above.
3. Maybe TouchXperience can help you.
youtube.com/watch?v=aAgd-iTBlGs
4...
5. Because of no socket support, any browser must be use an IE engine to communicate web browser, so no need to use an other browser.
6. I think I see this answer in "Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking section".
7. If MS not awaking right now, we have no choice, because we know WP7 is good but not perfect yet, so MS should be hurry up.
I have HD7 too but I'm no comment it's good or not to buy.
Because bought before.. played before.

Thank you all for you posts.
Have to admit that I did not do my homework before buying a HD7.
Having said this, it is not a real excuse just to say WP7 is different to 6.5 and below. It is like you like ice-cream and try to buy one but are presented with yoghurt in the shop and the shop owner says you needed to do a research before asking for ice-cream!
Having said all this, I got an e-mail from HTC that they have forwarded my mail about these point to Microsoft.
It is all up MS what they will decide to do.
Do you think Microsoft decides to take a user point of view into consideration or just like others thinks their new OP is good and will do anything. I guess some of these points will take huge changes to the OS and their marketing plans.
And I should not complain because I had to do more research in advance .

hmbe said:
Thank you all for you posts.
Have to admit that I did not do my homework before buying a HD7.
Having said this, it is not a real excuse just to say WP7 is different to 6.5 and below. It is like you like ice-cream and try to buy one but are presented with yoghurt in the shop and the shop owner says you needed to do a research before asking for ice-cream!
Having said all this, I got an e-mail from HTC that they have forwarded my mail about these point to Microsoft.
It is all up MS what they will decide to do.
Do you think Microsoft decides to take a user point of view into consideration or just like others thinks their new OP is good and will do anything. I guess some of these points will take huge changes to the OS and their marketing plans.
And I should not complain because I had to do more research in advance .
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Again, you are comparing ice cream to yogurt. Two totally different things. It is a very valid excuse. If you like ice cream, then you probably shouldn't have bought yogurt, or at least, done some research on yogurt before you bought it so that you knew what you were getting. You can complain all you like, but yogurt isn't going to change into ice cream because you want it to. They may share similarities, but they are not and will never be the same.
Same goes for Windows Mobile/Windows Phone. Windows Mobile 6.5 and Windows Phone 7 are two different platforms going in the two different directions. Microsoft recognized that one path wasn't going anywhere, so it took a look around and went in a different direction. So Windows Phone 7 may share some similarities to Windows Mobile, but they aren't and probably will never be the same product ever.
Both platforms cater to two different audiences, and if you like Windows Mobile 6.5, that's fine. Stick with it. You just have to realize that it is unfortunately a dead platform and you won't see any further updates. Windows Phone 7 is different and takes new and unique steps to a more cohesive and connected platform, and if you don't like it, the simple solution would be to not buy it.
If you are hoping that Windows Phone will become like Windows Mobile, then you should probably give up hope, as Microsoft has made it clear that this platform is something totally different.

The ice cream owner who sold you yogurt didn't tell you he was giving you yogurt.
Microsoft however, made it clear they are now selling cakes instead of ice creams or yogurt.
If you're still looking for ice cream and yogurt, you went to the wrong shop

biernes_atrece said:
The ice cream owner who sold you yogurt didn't tell you he was giving you yogurt.
Microsoft however, made it clear they are now selling cakes instead of ice creams or yogurt.
If you're still looking for ice cream and yogurt, you went to the wrong shop
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cute....
those ppl will never stop coming... and some of them dont even have a WP7 device... the best of all they never get disappointed by what they do, just push their short comings to MS and HTC..

biernes_atrece said:
The ice cream owner who sold you yogurt didn't tell you he was giving you yogurt.
Microsoft however, made it clear they are now selling cakes instead of ice creams or yogurt.
If you're still looking for ice cream and yogurt, you went to the wrong shop
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Cake?!

Well, I think it also was not clear when I bought my HD7 and MS did not make it clear that no other software but only new ones from market place will work on WP7.
Anyways I own a HD7 and am happy with lots of its features. In some features it rocks compare to Iphone or Android phones.
But are you telling me nothing I say makes sense?

About App Piracy

Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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You're correct, can't root and you can only sideload apps if you're a developer. No custom roms, no root, your friend's a fandroid who's insecure about their OS.

I think disabling Sideloading is better. Because Wallet services are coming to mobile so chances are high that someone might make app which will hack mobile payment passwords and accounts, using app which people sideload. This might make android insecure, when making NFC payments.
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Disable sideloading? And then how are dev supposed to test their apps on their phones ? - the emulator is not a good choice in some cases.
Also, there are no custom roms YET, but I am pretty sure there will be. There's nothing in this world that can be protected from hacking

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Disable sideloading? And then how are dev supposed to test their apps on their phones ? - the emulator is not a good choice in some cases.
Also, there are no custom roms YET, but I am pretty sure there will be. There's nothing in this world that can be protected from hacking
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Developers can unlock their phones. Others can't.

Apourv said:
Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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Blocking load of apps is a huge OVERKILL.
Say I wand to write an app, and distribute it freely, and do not want to put it on the market ?
What then ?
Besides that - if the IPhone with all it's locks and vaults can be set to load apps outside the Apple market,
it is safe to say that WinPhone will have the same crack.
Locking the device and limiting the user is a bad thing, and besides alienating your user base it will not do much.
Alienating your user base is never a good tactic, they will leave.
(People who plan to get WinPhone are most likely people who used WinMo - that was totally open to customization and apps from wherever)

Some developers looked into breaking the security on Nokia's WP7 phones and decided it would be to hard but of course there might be ways to do it anyway and allow custom ROMs. Aside from that Marketplace XAPs originally could be modified to be sideloaded on WP7 but this has changed several months ago, when Microsoft started to encrypt the XAP files.
As for modified firmware Microsoft is using Secure Boot to tackle the problem at a much lower level than Android and iOS devices do. Due to that it might be quite some time before anyone figures out a way to do it. And even phones like the HTC One X have not yet been broken (at least the versions that use Nvidias Tegra 3). It was similar with several Sony devices.
But in the end to enable this on a WP8 device it would mean HSPL, CustomROM and modified XAP-Files to allow for pirated Apps. Comparing this to Android where you only modify the APK and allow sideloading using a Checkbox I believe we will a lot more pirated Apps on Android than on WP.
As for: I want to provide my App for free without using the Marketplace - ähm... what would be the benefit to the user? Aside from Hacks they benefit from the fact that Apps are tested for stability, to be Malware-Free and that you can discover them without too much effort right from your phone.
The only thing I believe you're right is that actually lots of people will go for an OS where they can pirate Apps easily. There are enough threads around here were people tell you upfront that they believe that having paid several 100 $ for a device entitles them to get the software for free.

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As for: I want to provide my App for free without using the Marketplace - ähm... what would be the benefit to the user? Aside from Hacks they benefit from the fact that Apps are tested for stability, to be Malware-Free and that you can discover them without too much effort right from your phone.
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Yeah, right.
Like we saw on apple store, and the android market.
(you must be either kidding, or naive)
And as for users thinking paying few 100$ for a device and thinking it entitles them for free apps - well -
people became used to having free programs, and there are many good free programs.
Besides that - I do not support software piracy, but I do believe that you should have the freedom to do whatever you want with the device you payed a lot of good money for, and that the manufacturer should not put you behind bars and in chains, just so they can make more profit from you.
And dont think otherwise - they lock the device for the sole reason of taking some percentage of the money you pay for the apps,
and no other reason.
So every app would have to pass through their, and only their checkout point, and bring them more money.

Android market has no certification process while Apple's and Microsoft's does.
I didn't try to imply that you would want it for the reason of pirating Apps but for most people this is the reason they desire that feature.
But in the end we're talking about the rationale for developers and that is where your (paid) Apps are a lot better protected on WP or iOS than on Android. If this actually benefits you in the case of WP is a different discussion due to the fact that your potential market is smaller. But given that even though Android has a much bigger marketshare than iOS by now developers make a lot more money on iOS it seems the closed marketplaces actually benefit developers in that regard.

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Android market has no certification process while Apple's and Microsoft's does.
I didn't try to imply that you would want it for the reason of pirating Apps but for most people this is the reason they desire that feature.
But in the end we're talking about the rationale for developers and that is where your (paid) Apps are a lot better protected on WP or iOS than on Android. If this actually benefits you in the case of WP is a different discussion due to the fact that your potential market is smaller. But given that even though Android has a much bigger marketshare than iOS by now developers make a lot more money on iOS it seems the closed marketplaces actually benefit developers in that regard.
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The same goes for PC apps.
And people still develop apps for PCs.
This is, in my opinion, some kind of propaganda (not to say brainwash) from the manufacturers,
who's only intent is to make more profit for themselves, and want to recruit the developers for their own goal.
Software piracy have been here since forever, and the software industry has always been growing.
I still hold my opinion that the manufacturer must not have me in chains and behind bars.
I believe the manufacturer must let me do whatever I want with my device.
Let me load whatever apps i want, from any source, and not limit me or force me to pay them more and more money over the life of the device.

I'm not saying that it is not a valid desire to be able to do those things - I said it benefits developers if they are not possible. They don't have to care about piracy that much. And instead of putting together a sophisticated scheme to protect their applications (like they have been doing on the PC for more then a decade) they can concentrate on the actual content.
Do you believe PC games that came on floppy discs asked you about keys from the manual just for fun or to avoid copies? Do you believe the industry moved to CDs only because of the additional space or because they could not be easily copied for quite some time? Does Diablo 3 require an online connection because they could not implement a game that could run on the PC only?
Providing those protections in the OS itself takes a big burden off most developers. The 30 % cut Apple or Microsoft take is a big part of what big companies would earn with their software, given that they already have payment solutions in place and might be able to provide storage and bandwidth cheaper. For Indie developers it would be a lot harder to organize all this.
But instead of answering the question on pirac that thread was about y you're completely missing the point and going on a crusade (and your points from a users perspective definitely are valid).

Apourv said:
Me and my friend, (who is a budding app developer for android) ran into discussion about "Android JB vs WP8", and after many aspects, we came to "developer benefits", there I said that Android is not good for developers bcoz people SIDELOAD app and nothing can detect a pirated app. That's the sad truth.
But on WP8 there's no way to SIDELOAD app, so No piracy of apps on WP8.
My friend said there are WP8 custom ROMS available and WP8 can also be rooted. So there maybe ways when people use Pirated apps on WP8 also.
So who is correct Me or my friend? Are there ways on WP8.
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There are no WP8 custom ROMs, only WP7, and only for select devices. As far as I know, app piracy was effectively killed off even for a fully "rooted" WP7 device now that the apps come in an encrypted package. WP8 devices with an SD card can sideload apps, but it's a feature, not an illegal act. You get the encrypted package straight from windowsphone.com, and when you sideload it via SD card, it checks with the marketplace to see if you already own this app and if you have purchased it- otherwise you get the trial.
So android is significantly less secure in this area, your friend is wrong.

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I'm not saying that it is not a valid desire to be able to do those things - I said it benefits developers if they are not possible. They don't have to care about piracy that much. And instead of putting together a sophisticated scheme to protect their applications (like they have been doing on the PC for more then a decade) they can concentrate on the actual content.
Do you believe PC games that came on floppy discs asked you about keys from the manual just for fun or to avoid copies? Do you believe the industry moved to CDs only because of the additional space or because they could not be easily copied for quite some time? Does Diablo 3 require an online connection because they could not implement a game that could run on the PC only?
Providing those protections in the OS itself takes a big burden off most developers. The 30 % cut Apple or Microsoft take is a big part of what big companies would earn with their software, given that they already have payment solutions in place and might be able to provide storage and bandwidth cheaper. For Indie developers it would be a lot harder to organize all this.
But instead of answering the question on pirac that thread was about y you're completely missing the point and going on a crusade (and your points from a users perspective definitely are valid).
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Pretty much this.
As a developer, I love the fact that the WP marketplace protects my app from almost anything a hacker can throw at it, because it protects several aspects I invested in the app:
1) Time. A lot of time. I don't like it when people use what I invested months of research and coding for free, just because they are too lazy to search the marketplace, but are devious enough to google the app and download it from some obscure location (the irony).
2) My intellectual property: I've made the app, therefore I should have complete control over who can download it. How would you feel if you invested a lot in a car, and some random people of the street simply gets in and drives your car away?
3)Coding and researching is certainly not an easy task. If it were, then everyone would be a developer. Pirating my app is like asking me to give away my talents for nothing in return.
Although it is extremely easy for outsiders to judge my app and say it is not worth the money, they really have no idea how much time and effort was put into it. It is a service I provide for you, and as with any service you need to pay for it...upfront or by staring at adds.
Considering that without the OEM I would not be able to create the app at all, and you would not be able to use it either, it is only natural for them to ask a percentage of the profit from the app. It is how business works.

mcosmin222 said:
Pretty much this.
As a developer, I love the fact that the WP marketplace protects my app from almost anything a hacker can throw at it, because it protects several aspects I invested in the app:
1) Time. A lot of time. I don't like it when people use what I invested months of research and coding for free, just because they are too lazy to search the marketplace, but are devious enough to google the app and download it from some obscure location (the irony).
2) My intellectual property: I've made the app, therefore I should have complete control over who can download it. How would you feel if you invested a lot in a car, and some random people of the street simply gets in and drives your car away?
3)Coding and researching is certainly not an easy task. If it were, then everyone would be a developer. Pirating my app is like asking me to give away my talents for nothing in return.
Although it is extremely easy for outsiders to judge my app and say it is not worth the money, they really have no idea how much time and effort was put into it. It is a service I provide for you, and as with any service you need to pay for it...upfront or by staring at adds.
Considering that without the OEM I would not be able to create the app at all, and you would not be able to use it either, it is only natural for them to ask a percentage of the profit from the app. It is how business works.
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Comparing an App to a car is totally inappropriate.
If someone drove away in your car, you do not have this car anymore.
If someone installed an app you wrote - well, you still have another copy, and can produce a million more copies.

Som30ne said:
Comparing an App to a car is totally inappropriate.
If someone drove away in your car, you do not have this car anymore.
If someone installed an app you wrote - well, you still have another copy, and can produce a million more copies.
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He has a very simplistic view on piracy, which is what most people who think they're losing something have. It's hard for them to wrap their heads around new concepts like "pirated does not equal lost sales". It's mostly the RIAA's fault that the practice of sharing is deemed amoral and gave it the misnomer: "piracy". Actual sales lost because of piracy are negligible. I'm not saying it's ok for people to just take without paying, I'm saying you need to realize what is actually happening. Most "pirates" are poor students with no money to spare, kids who have no money of their own, and the most numerous "pirate" of all: those who cannot access a store to legally buy the product.
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Som30ne said:
The same goes for PC apps.
And people still develop apps for PCs.
This is, in my opinion, some kind of propaganda (not to say brainwash) from the manufacturers,
who's only intent is to make more profit for themselves, and want to recruit the developers for their own goal.
Software piracy have been here since forever, and the software industry has always been growing.
I still hold my opinion that the manufacturer must not have me in chains and behind bars.
I believe the manufacturer must let me do whatever I want with my device.
Let me load whatever apps i want, from any source, and not limit me or force me to pay them more and more money over the life of the device.
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This. And Also, Poecifer, your just the Fandroid, since the discussion was brought ou with no intention to accuse each other party and start a flame war as usual, so just stfu if you don't have anything useful to say.
As a wp developer, i'd like to say that not beeing able to sideload apps freely at times is just a pain in the a**...personally I own a Sony Xperia J and a Lumia 710...my friend is an Android Dev and doesn't have all this kind of limitation...

AVG AntiVirus: useful? or useless?

what do you folks think? it scans everything i install from the Play Store -- but seemingly only AFTER it's been installed. and really, if i only install from the Play Store, is there even a point?

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what do you folks think? it scans everything i install from the Play Store -- but seemingly only AFTER it's been installed. and really, if i only install from the Play Store, is there even a point?
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I say all antiviruses on android are pointless. Android isn't really affected by viruses to be honest. If there are viruses, it would be on your memory card and you need a pc for that. This is my opinion though. Never had any viruses on any of the androids i've owned so far
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found this review
http://uk.pcmag.com/avg-antivirus-s...2/review/avg-antivirus-security-4-for-android
reviewer was not that impressed

The secret is that android itself is a virus, it makes its users crave updates and they begin to dribble, get irritated and have arguments when they see possible new features on the horizon.
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Imo you only need a virus scanner if you have realy no idea what you are doing and have the check mark "install untrusted apk" in security settings set .or you use a 3rd party app store. I think it is safe to assume that Google checks their app market for obscure apps.
When installing a new app just check the properties it may use, e.g. a background image supplier app should have no need to dail numbers or send texts, use your personal information etc.
Other than that, the avg supplied is bloatware / scareware and just a trail for 30 days.
I have the worst virus scanner on my PC (ms secueity essentials) it gives the impression of blocking the really bad stuff but doesn't eat all your resources as eg avg or McAfee does.
As long if you know the differents between a softonic installer and the real application you are fine

Cut the crap y'all. See the professional analysis here http://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/mobile-devices/android/january-2015/ and decide for yourself.
(I'm on Eset Mobile Security, for almost a year, never disappointed me http://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus.../eset-mobile-security-&-antivirus-3.0-150113/)
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Hiya,
I guess its debatable like task killer?
it really depends on what is defined as "anti virus" and what is "trusted"
are popular social network apps trustable? =p

ultimatsz said:
Hiya,
I guess its debatable like task killer?
it really depends on what is defined as "anti virus" and what is "trusted"
are popular social network apps trustable? =p
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Task Killers are NOT debatable, Google gave an official and final response years ago by explaining how memory management works on Android. I have a task killer, but I only use it manually to kill certain apps, not to free memory aka RAM but to prevent high CPU usage.
Anti-Viruses are always reviewed by the professionals, see the links I posted above.
Nothing on the Internet is trustable. Haven't you heard of NSA's PRISM program and other related stuffs exposed by Whistle-blower; Edward Snowden?
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I have this on my phone, tho has never found anything apart from a settings warning 'apps from unknown sources'
which I ignore tbh

asab1 said:
I have this on my phone, tho has never found anything apart from a settings warning 'apps from unknown sources'
which I ignore tbh
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That's because Android malware are still rare and it's a warning because most users are novice users.
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So based on the replies here... when im watching porn on my android, and i receive a pop up window stating "WARNING A VIRUS HAS BEEN DETECTED ON YOUR ANDROID DEVICE" .... there is no actual virus or malware/spyware? This isnt a troll question... i swear lol. And we all do it, quit judging me haha.

DaryllSwer said:
Anti-Viruses are always reviewed by the professionals, see the links I posted above.
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Define "PROFESSIONAL"
Any normal person knows by now, that many internet professionals are helpless when facing real problems.
And BTW, I am a *real* professional, the smartest of the smartest because my mother told me so.
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M04RT3 said:
So based on the replies here... when im watching porn on my android, and i receive a pop up window stating "WARNING A VIRUS HAS BEEN DETECTED ON YOUR ANDROID DEVICE" .... there is no actual virus or malware/spyware? This isnt a troll question... i swear lol. And we all do it, quit judging me haha.
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When you click OK, things may start happening. Google "stagefright".
However, if you have all the security patches, the risk is low.
And then again, the real viruses are something that anti-virus programs do nothing about. If you are important enough, your camera, your mic will be monitored despite of all the anti-viruses you would like to install.
You do not need to use anti-virus software, if you use Google Browser with warnings enabled, if you have disabled MMS and if you do not install programs outside of Google Play.

bookworth said:
Define "PROFESSIONAL"
Any normal person knows by now, that many internet professionals are helpless when facing real problems.
And BTW, I am a *real* professional, the smartest of the smartest because my mother told me so.
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Av-Test is a reputable organisation. Whether you consider them 'professional' or not is none of my concern. Have fun running an 'antivirus' app on Android. I'm done here.
http://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute

DaryllSwer said:
Av-Test is a reputable organisation. Whether you consider them 'professional' or not is none of my concern. Have fun running an 'antivirus' app on Android. I'm done here.
http://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute
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Yes, they are reputable. And the results can be bought like with many German based reputable organizations. Like VW, Auto-Build (tyre-reviews) or (Bundesliga match making scandal).
The problem is not whether android phones need antivirus programs. Mostly they dont't. The problem however is if you can blindly believe organizations because they are "professionals".
And please, be done, don't reply, fly away, "captain".