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I searched the forums for firewall but nothing really relevant came up.
For my laptop and desktop I use ZoneAlarm security suite (AV, firewall and the whole lot). On the Kaiser there is ... nothing? Am I protected in any way, or do hackers and virus'es have free access when I am online? If so, what do the rest of you do to prevent this?
Could I assume this is of no concern, since no-one replies? I am happy to live without AV-FW software on my PDA, but I don't hope I get any virus in it!
eTrust do antivirus software and Airscanner do av and Firewall sw.
A quick search in Google will find you these sites.
Would AV/firewall grind the Kaiser to a grind or will it run OK?
Any one already running firewall? How much strain is it on the cpu?
Thanks
i ran fsecure for a bit and have also used airscanner for a bit, but TBH have you ever heard of a PDA getting a virus etc. ive certianly had no problems without them anyway.
Does anyone care about security ?
Hi...
I was flabbergasted when I did a search and found that ZoneAlarm, AVG and the other big internet security companies dont offer stuff for Pocket PC's !!! You would think they would be falling over one another to be 'First to Market' and offer it seeing as PPC's are predicted to be a 'big thing' in the mobile sector. Theres big bucks begging to be made here, surely !
...anyway.
Which Firewall & Antivirus etc do forum members recommend ?
TIA.
Mark.
loser40 said:
Hi...
I was flabbergasted when I did a search and found that ZoneAlarm, AVG and the other big internet security companies dont offer stuff for Pocket PC's !!! You would think they would be falling over one another to be 'First to Market' and offer it seeing as PPC's are predicted to be a 'big thing' in the mobile sector. Theres big bucks begging to be made here, surely !
...anyway.
Which Firewall & Antivirus etc do forum members recommend ?
TIA.
Mark.
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Hey the reason no one makes them for ppc's is because no one writes viruses for ppc's.i have spybot search and destroy for my mogul just cause im a computer hacker and ive seen some of my friends write a couple, they cant really do much though. I would say that u dont need one...also no one distributes viruses for ppc's because the odds of their viruses making it to a ppc and not a pc are very very slim.
i am at work right now. tonight i will download mobilesecruity cab i use. it has a 30 day trial then you have to buy.
AV
Bitdefender has a Mobile Security product as well. I scooped it up for free when it was in beta test, runs fine and doesn't seem to hit system performance much if at all.
There isn't a single PPC virus "in the wild" and any custom built trojan someone packs into a cab and posts here isn't likely to be caught by any of the current scanners because they are all signature based.
Really being sensible about what you run is the only current option, most WM phones run slow enough as it is without a resident scanner bogging them down anyway.
Symantec recently released an updated version of their "Norton Smartphone Security" software which includes the following components:
- mobile anti-virus; mobile firewall; SMS anti-spam; and LiveUpdate
I have been using this for about 3 weeks on my HTC TYTN II (with the shipped ROM) and have not noticed any performance degradation/reduction. In fact, it seems to have a pretty small footprint - 1.8 MB is the install size.
McAfee has a mobile antivirus, but it isnt free if thats what your looking for
I was happily using Airscanner firewall 3.0 with joy and no performance hit on the HTC stock wm6.1 ROM.
But I am now using the super L26 v9 but the firewall wont load on this ROM or on the previous v8 lite.
I am hoping I will get an answer for this.
I really think this is a waste of time. Norton, F-secure etc make these antiviruses knowing FULL WELL that no genuinely threatening viruses are in the wild - at least none that I've ever heard of or experienced.
I'd be interested to know WHAT these programs are scanning for!
There is plenty of antivirus software for the symbian platform which in my experience only serves to hit speed and performance with absolutely no real-world use whatsoever. In order for a Symbian application that uses critical system rights to be installlable it must first be signed by Symbian - with this in mind it is virtually impossible for a dialler or other frightful gremlin to reach your phone.
I'm sure a similar principal applies to Windows Mobile devices. Besides, it's far more fun to spread a virus on a proper windows platform, with greater consequences, and a hell of a lot easier too.
I really think these companies make most of their money from paranoia, so I choose to ignore them and I will for a while yet.
Fair comment as of course at the end of the day it is down to user choice.
I found f-secure and norton to be crap and would not run right, but airscanner both firewall and anti virus worked perfect on the htc stock rom.
L26 v8 & v9 are great and I prefer these over the stock rom as they are so much faster but to then get a app you just paid for not to work it is human nature to want to get it back.
I have never been hit by a virus etc on my laptop but still choose to use ZoneAlarm and my works VPN when necessary "just to be safe"
An example here is a local water supplier says many areas around here have a bug in the water so people should boil before drinking. Many say our own town is not affected so it does not affect us even tho same water comapny.
I say "I would rather play safe and boil the water then get the squits!" and wait for the comapny to give a global all clear.
there is that, but at least with your example there is evidence of impending health problems, however in this case there is little to support the need for an antivirus; no evidence of any great virus looming on the horizon, thus an antivirus precaution is to me overkill. who's to say that any mobile antivirus will even work? there's nothing to test these programs out with. The fact is that viruses are targeted at windows xp and vista pcs because almost everybody has them and they contain a lot of personal information. Mobile phones almost never have as much on them aside from contacts and perhaps random documents so to target a phone would never be as fruitful. anyone with any sense will encrypt sensitive information anyway as the likelihood of losing or having your phone stolen greatly outweighs the likelihood of a virus.
i think a better analogy would be to say that it would be like armour plating your car because you're heard about Securicor vans being hit for their money: the reality is that securicor vans have far more desirable contents for the higher-minded felon; your little phone (being the armour plated car) will only attract the attention of petty criminals.
I like your way of thinking and take it on board. The reason I bought the antivirus and firewall in the first place was that I will need to connect to my online bank when abroad and wanted to be belt and braces lest some hacker et al intercepts or whatever and takes me up the back passage!
However this may be down to my lack of knowledge of what is considered insure and secure etc.
I know I need to ensure when entering any sensitive data it should be done on a https site. Also my bank ensures its customeres their site is safe and secure. I just wanted to ensure my side is.
Also, this is no way intended to call for a flaming attack on me as I have read some very heated debates on this site which in a way tends to stiffle what people may want to say but do not due to fear of a back lash.
Re my issue I am a donating user of L26 v8 (was on v9 but have reverted) and now the only problem I have is the firewall not even starting. So to have to repeatedly ask for help and not to get even a yes or no but instead read post after post of off topic sniping grates a bit.
chef/cooks etc are the good guys and everyone appreciates the hard work they do, I would not know where to start, but bottom line is a simple acknowledgemnet would not go amis. After all is it too much to ask if a $30 application which worked on stock rom does not work on cooked?
I would not know where to start and for all I know neither would the gurus but they are in a more knowledgable position than I.
If a "sorry I dont know or definitely not" was fed back I could take it up with the application vendor/creator. But being in limbo is frustrating
Kaspersky does security stuff for WM, and had a free 30 day trial. I haven't had a rom that I've kept for more than 30 days so far anyway, so I've not hit any 30 day limits yet lol.
Chris
I would wager a bet that you're safer using internet banking with your pocket pc than a home pc over wifi (even with an antivirus).
Cooked ROMS invariably suffer compatibility issues which can have the most complicated or the simplest of explanations, however each differ from case to case.
Your problem may stem from wm6.1 itself - perhaps your antivirus is asking for rights to information that wm6.1's new coding will no longer afford it.
Did your antivirus work on any other 6.1 ROMs?
Remember 6.1 is brand new and I'm sure a number of software manufacturers are yet to fix all of their products to work with it.
Whatever the scenario you will be hard pushed to find many people in the cooking scene with ANY interest in mobile antivirus software as they are knowledgable enough to see the lack of need for it.
It would be a lot of time out of their schedule for something that would be insignificant to the majority of their downloaders, however I wouldn't personally flame you for asking.
For me a fix for the GPS issues in wm6.1 is a far greater concern.
Tis nice to have such open and friendly chat, I appreciate it thanks.
I have Airscanner anitvirus and firewall, two seperate applications. Both worked on the HTC stock 6.0 and 6.1 ROMS with no performance hit of problems.
I only run the av manually, I do not leave it running in background.
I leave fw running all the time and had no issues with it.
Since I installed l26 v8 and l26 v9 fw installs but when I try to run it it just displays a message 'error 2'
I understand now about the majority not being bothered, but I would have at least expected a yes or no from l26 just out of manners (this of course presuming l26 has read my posts and chose to ignore - apologies if I speak out of turn l26)
If I finally do not get a response from the chef after a reasonable time it would sour my view on donating in future which is a shame as in the end we are all only trying to help each other.
But after all is said and done, your comments on the 'real' threat makes me feel a little easier! Thanks ;-)
After over one year of use I just wanted to write few lines about my impression of this PDA.
I travel a lot and I thought that a PDA could be helpful to keep in touch and do the IT chores while on the go. I was very wrong and I regret having bought the damn thing. The device tries to do many things but none of them well. In retrospective it sounded too good to be true.
At the beginning I did make a point of using it to its best potential but after a while I got so tired and annoyed with it that I have used it mostly like just any other phone.
I thought I would give myself some time to get accustomed to the complexity of the device before jumping to conclusions.
Over one year later and I still find it incredibly cumbersome and totally user unfriendly. The guys at HTC should go to Apple to get a crush course in making something user friendly.
Here are just a few things. The list is way longer but I would have to go back and try most functions to recall all the flaws.
- It's super slow. I am no super fast teenage geek but I am always waiting for the stupid thing to react to any command I give. It is very annoying and it's like stepping back to the time of the 286 PCs. The speed is archaic.
- The buttons controls are very difficult to feel with the touch and are very cumbersome to operate. Especially the side ones. I am sure that even blind people would have problems using them.
- Windows mobile is as bad as Microsoft gets. It's slow, counter intuitive, user unfriendly. Early Vista at the power of ten!
- Window media player is a joke. I have been using the PDA to listen to music in the car and it's a miracle I have not crashed while trying to select some music yet.
- The touch screen is also very bad and difficult to use. A lot of the commands are way too small for a man's finger. It is very difficult to select something on first attempt.
- To open a running program is difficult. One has to press the top right menu and than select what is running by touch only. The bar is about 4 mm high and it's very difficult to select using one hand. One cannot select by using the scroll bar and button.
- During phone calls the screen goes out quickly and to get it back one has to look for the hidden button on the side, very bad.
- Voice recognition sucks. Since the controls are so bad I now use the voice recognition most times. It's rare that the damn machine get it right on first attempt. Repeating the name twice helps but not always. I end up having to raise the tone as if I was yelling. Very embarrassing in public.
- The GPS take a long time to get the satellites even when the data has been updated.
- Active sync is a disaster. The guy that design it should be shot. I have given up on it altogether. I had to buy small software to access the data in the PDA and memory card.
Active sync could just not do the most elementary operation in a simple and straightforward way.
- The booting upon starting is the longest I have ever seen. Switching it off is also a chore
The list goes on but I am getting annoyed just to think about it all. This is the first and last product I’ll ever buy from HTC. Unless you are a geek that gets pleasure messing with IT devices do not buy it. Its use will take an unhealthy amount of your time. It will not help your life, it will waste a lot of your time and annoy you in the process.
Stay away from it!
My phone works perfect, it is a delight to use, does everything you mentioned above, great to reasonably well. It is fast, user friendly and I can't wait until I can upgrade to the TP II
My advice to you, since you are clueless, get the ipod that makes phone calls, it is built and over marketed especially for clueless people.
Agreed with denco7,
My HTC Kaiser (TyTn II) is also working fine. It is a great QVGA 2.8" phone!
ActiveSync works and simply works, I have never got any issue like you described.
GPS works, although TT7 is slower than TT6, but thats TT problem, not the phone.
I found Opera Mini works briliant with the D-Pad, which is much better than D-Pad-less phone. You know, press button to zoom, back to unzoom, scroll with D-Pad ... all one handed.
Screen goes out during call? Get a clue You knew this website, it should be the best resource.
My suggestion, dont use PDA Because it might be too complicated for you.
I like my TyTN II.
Maybe some of the things you think missed, you could configure them another way to get the most of the device. I think I'll never finish to get more and more from it. And I exhausted a P4350 before changing to the Kaiser.
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My phone works perfect, it is a delight to use, does everything you mentioned above, great to reasonably well. It is fast, user friendly and I can't wait until I can upgrade to the TP II
My advice to you, since you are clueless, get the ipod that makes phone calls, it is built and over marketed especially for clueless people.
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The PDA was also used by a friend of mine who is a blackberry user and talented software developer with many years of experience in IT. He did notice the same things and at times the thing did drive him crazy too.
My friend is also a guy that has switched to Linux long time ago. I have been too lazy and suffered in silence with MS crap but hopefully I will find the time to invest in changing for the better.
My friend impressions made me realize that I am not clueless as you say. In fact being a marine engineer I have dealt with equipment of all sorts for many years.
The PDA is designed by geeks for geeks. It is not a product for normal people. Anybody that buys this device has to spend many, many hours tying to sort it out and make it work better. I did that at the beginning and downloaded many fixes and upgrades. The very existance of this website and the number of people that use it is an indication that this PDA is not a product you switch on and just use. Very far from it.
I think you are like many people that after spending all that money don't want to admit that they got a lemon. The fact that you want to upgrade is a clear indication that you are not that satisfied with the gadget.
Just pick it up and slide the keyboard slightly. It takes 4.8 sec for the display to go from vertical to horizontal and back. If that is fast then you must be very slow.
Cheers
Yeah I also suggest you get an iphone. It's for people just like you.
No customization and power-user options, but your grandma can figure out the basic PDA functions.
TytnII has been great for me.
This is a negative and boring thread from the op! With some effort you can do a lot with the tytn2 as well as the tytn1! Very good devices!
I very much enjoy my Kaiser. I had some of the problems the OP had when I was running the AT&T stock ROM (with bloatware), but all that changed when I started using custom ROMs. The Kaiser is actually a very capable device, the only reason it underperforms is because it's hardware isn't fully taken advantage of (but even that's improving now). Once I flash a ROM and spend a whole 10 minutes customizing the device to how I like it, it runs like a dream.
OP: As the others have said in this thread, if you aren't willing to tweak the device, and customize the living crap out of it in order to get a faster Kaiser, maybe a feature phone or iPhone would be more suitable for you.
Dave
PS: (I have a 286, and it runs fine!)
I have a tytn, tytnII, titan, touch pro and a fuze. I must admit that every one of these devices were less than spectacular in the as-shipped form from the service provider. Thats why I found this site so I could make them all perform up to their hype.
Every one of them, thanks to the wonderful developers here, will outperform an iphown now. I have had very little problems like the OP described that were not simply fixed by changing a setting here or there. I like my tilt better than any of the others I have had (except the fuze.)
My 8525 (TyTn) works great and it has less power than the TyTnII. You can not get the most out of the phone unless you get rid of the stock OS. That's why XDA Devs rocks. Once the stock OS is gone - the phones rock!
mikechannon said:
This is the Kaiser forum. A forum dedicated to supporting Kaiser owners and providing answers to specific problems.
I'm sure you can see that this is not a supportive thread for TyTn II owners.
I'm not actually sure that expressing views about strongly disliking HTC and WM is a wise idea on a website dedicated to both those things.
However, and lest I be accused of wielding evil Moderator censorship powers, I will move this thread to off-topic. There it will take up its place accumulating wise and sensible contributions to the debate.
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Hi Mike,
It's not about being supportive or not. It's about giving a broad range of perspective so if tomorrow somebody wants to buy the device they can search for information and have a better idea of what they are getting into.
Unfortunately at the time I bought mine the information available was somehow biased towards people who think that is ok to spend 750 $ for a gadget that right away needs all sorts of non OEM twicks and upgrades to perform close to its marketing claims.
In any sector or product if one buys at the very top end of the price range should expect to end up with something that works well right away.
The TY TN II does not. HTC is a company with great potential but it should take a lot longer before releasing a product such this.
I belive that censorship does not help the people behind this site that are happy with the product either. My post is not off topic. They are first hand comments on the device from somebody that owns one, just like anybody else here.
Because of lack of unbiased information many people like me or even less prepared to mess with the device will buy it and up here nagging everyone else for help. Even for the silliest problems.
Let's be clear. This is a very niche product, HTC marketing pitch is misleading. It is not a piece of consumer goods suitable for the majority of people. It has to become a pet project for the buyer otherwise will not delivery to it's full potential.
I would suggest you put this thread in a very accessible location.
I am sorry if have hurt any TY TN II lovers
I suspect that a lot of people here see the device like their own baby.
Cheers
gogol said:
Agreed with denco7,
My HTC Kaiser (TyTn II) is also working fine. It is a great QVGA 2.8" phone!
ActiveSync works and simply works, I have never got any issue like you described.
GPS works, although TT7 is slower than TT6, but thats TT problem, not the phone.
I found Opera Mini works briliant with the D-Pad, which is much better than D-Pad-less phone. You know, press button to zoom, back to unzoom, scroll with D-Pad ... all one handed.
Screen goes out during call? Get a clue You knew this website, it should be the best resource.
My suggestion, dont use PDA Because it might be too complicated for you.
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I don't want to get this thread to go on and on. The purpose of my post is to just offer an alternative perspective on the PDA. Without it, anybody that stumbles on this site may be lead to think that it is a great PDA. Indeed it is for people that are willing, knowledgeable and happy to mess with it. I don't think that the majority of people fit that category.
I believe that most people when they spend top dollars expect to buy a piece of equipment that works at its best right out of the box. After all PDAs and many other gadgets should make life easier not more complicated. That is something often forgotten.
Your appreciation of Active Sync sounds very odd to my engineering mind always appreciating things that work in a simple and logic manner. I'll comment on this one because is one of my "favorite" about the device and MS.
How can Active Sync be good if you have to install it in every computer you have to exchange data with (actually you can only install it on 2 PCs only!!). That to me is totally counter intuitive, user unfriendly and simply stupid. I should be able to roam the world and exchange data with any PC and Macs by just plugging in without having to install anything. That's what happens with most other gadgets cameras etc. How is it possible that a 750 $ device cannot do such elementary thing out of the box. It's simply unbelievable and as I said very odd to see that there are so many people that are totally fine with it and actually like the feature.
The TY TN II and any top end PDAs also cater to people like me that travel extensively and to different countries. How such elementary need to exchange data in a simple way can be overseen???
If I had know that such basic feature was not available I would never have bought the thing. The problem is that this any many other points about the device are some kind of dirty secrets that are not been told and were not available when I was about to buy the device.
Luckily I found Softick Card Export and solved the problem of accessing the PDA with any computer as if it was an external hard drive. I recommend it.
But again, after I spent 750 $ I should not have to buy and install non OEM software to download a file to a friend computer.
Come on guys, MS does not even pay you! You are paying them!
mikechannon said:
Well yes in the interests of allowing different points of view, the thread has been kept, we are all entitled to a reasoned point of view.
However IMHO it is off-topic in the sense that keeping it in the TyTn II forum which is specifically to provide help for those who already have a TyTn II would be inappropriate. I did consider the General forum, but againthat is for those who already own an HTC phone and are seeking support perhaps for Windows Mobile issues.
So by elimination if nothing else "off-topic" was the choice. Those searching the likes of Google will still find it regardless of the forum it's in.
I still have my doubts that this is appropriate as a forum to choose for such a review/feedback because it can encourage flaming type posts. I'm sure you know what I mean - would you go to a Rolls Royce owners site to express your views about why they are not good cars? Maybe you would, but I think it would be better to choose a site that reviews different brands, rather than telling folk who already own the product that you think what they have is no good. I doubt folk trying to choose a product would consider a dedicated site to be an unbiased place to gather reliable reviews.
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Mike,
I happen to be one of those Rolls Royce owners (I wish!) that's why I think I should have a say on this site. My views are counter current that's all. I don't feel undermined here despite being a totally "visible minority". If people were to get inflamed about it then there is always the almighty moderator that should straighten things out.
I still think my post does not belong to the off topic section because I think the view of somebody like myself can be beneficial to the majority here. I know that this could be difficult to acknowledge for somebody.
On the wake of the recent purchase and proud of my shiny new device, in the first 6 months of ownership of the Ty TN II I was like most other people here, reading, downloading, twicking. After a while I realized that what I was doing was going against the very reason I bought the device in the first place which was make my life easier and make me save time.
At that point and tired of the constant work that the machine demanded I gave up on it. I bought a new laptop and used the PDA like a phone and navigator only.
If I had found posts like mine before I would have made my natural progression earlier and I would have saved myself a lot of time and headaches.
I am sure there are other people in that position and they should be able to benefit from opinions like mine without having to Google them. To the hard core PDArers it should make no difference. I understand there is a pleasure in molding a machine to you own specification. I respect that; years ago I would have kept on doing it.
I hope you understand my plea and thanks for your work. I and many others did benefit from this great site.
Unfortunately I don't think that I can ethically contribute to the HTC or MS cause in a positive way. The fact that they created the need for a site like this is totally unacceptable.
I believe that it is wrong to offer volunteer work to greedy corporations that totally don't give a damn about their customer base. HTC and MS are clear examples.
I wish the talented work of people like XDA-developers will go towards developing software and service for no profit organizations and not to patch up the shortcomings and disservice of these corporations.
Bill Gates has become a philanthropist to wash his sins. I hope his example will be followed by all the other big fish in the corporate world.
Cheers
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I don't want to get this thread to go on and on. The purpose of my post is to just offer an alternative perspective on the PDA. Without it, anybody that stumbles on this site may be lead to think that it is a great PDA. Indeed it is for people that are willing, knowledgeable and happy to mess with it. I don't think that the majority of people fit that category.
I believe that most people when they spend top dollars expect to buy a piece of equipment that works at its best right out of the box. After all PDAs and many other gadgets should make life easier not more complicated. That is something often forgotten.
Your appreciation of Active Sync sounds very odd to my engineering mind always appreciating things that work in a simple and logic manner. I'll comment on this one because is one of my "favorite" about the device and MS.
How can Active Sync be good if you have to install it in every computer you have to exchange data with (actually you can only install it on 2 PCs only!!). That to me is totally counter intuitive, user unfriendly and simply stupid. I should be able to roam the world and exchange data with any PC and Macs by just plugging in without having to install anything. That's what happens with most other gadgets cameras etc. How is it possible that a 750 $ device cannot do such elementary thing out of the box. It's simply unbelievable and as I said very odd to see that there are so many people that are totally fine with it and actually like the feature.
The TY TN II and any top end PDAs also cater to people like me that travel extensively and to different countries. How such elementary need to exchange data in a simple way can be overseen???
If I had know that such basic feature was not available I would never have bought the thing. The problem is that this any many other points about the device are some kind of dirty secrets that are not been told and were not available when I was about to buy the device.
Luckily I found Softick Card Export and solved the problem of accessing the PDA with any computer as if it was an external hard drive. I recommend it.
But again, after I spent 750 $ I should not have to buy and install non OEM software to download a file to a friend computer.
Come on guys, MS does not even pay you! You are paying them!
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So, you're saying that with any other phone you can just connect it to a PC and transfer all the data on the fly? Well, with nokias you can't, you have to install the huge nokia pc suite. At least active sync is only a few megs, so even with a slow connection you can still get it fast. And, i still think active sync is the best or at least the simplest way to synchronize contacts / appointments / notes and emails.
If you want to exchange files i would advice to forget active sync, use a micro sd card reader, it's much simpler and faster.
About your first post, i understand your frustration, but everyone here will tell you, including me, that any windows mobile device is way more powerfull than any nokia, iphone or blackberry. But even with those you still have to know how to use them.
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So, you're saying that with any other phone you can just connect it to a PC and transfer all the data on the fly? Well, with nokias you can't, you have to install the huge nokia pc suite. At least active sync is only a few megs, so even with a slow connection you can still get it fast. And, i still think active sync is the best or at least the simplest way to synchronize contacts / appointments / notes and emails.
If you want to exchange files i would advice to forget active sync, use a micro sd card reader, it's much simpler and faster.
About your first post, i understand your frustration, but everyone here will tell you, including me, that any windows mobile device is way more powerfull than any nokia, iphone or blackberry. But even with those you still have to know how to use them.
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In this day and age am I too demanding to expect to be able to read and exchange data with my PDA and any computer? The fact that the very little Softick card export software does it very easily shows that I am not asking much. There are no technological hurdles whatsoever. Why having to complicate things, switching off the device, pulling cards on and off, maybe damaging something in the process.
It is one of the features I needed right away and I don't think I am alone there. It should not take a great deal of imagination or creativity to figure this out. What are the HTC or MS designers been thinking?
I just don't see any good reasons for the lack of such basic features. The only reason I see is corporate greed that calls for gadgets and software that don't quite work so people keep on buying new ones.
We are a bunch of consumer cows being milked, I am afraid that's the sad reality.
The fact the the potential of a MS based PDA is greater than the competition does not make me feel any better. However, thanks for trying to help and for the kind words
olliric said:
In this day and age am I too demanding to expect to be able to read and exchange data with my PDA and any computer? The fact that the very little Softick card export software does it very easily shows that I am not asking much. There are no technological hurdles whatsoever. Why having to complicate things, switching off the device, pulling cards on and off, maybe damaging something in the process.
It is one of the features I needed right away and I don't think I am alone there. It should not take a great deal of imagination or creativity to figure this out. What are the HTC or MS designers been thinking?
I just don't see any good reasons for the lack of such basic features. The only reason I see is corporate greed that calls for gadgets and software that don't quite work so people keep on buying new ones.
We are a bunch of consumer cows being milked, I am afraid that's the sad reality.
The fact the the potential of a MS based PDA is greater than the competition does not make me feel any better. However, thanks for trying to help and for the kind words
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I prefer to think that technology is being developed, rather than big companies are just "milking us". Every new product is an evolution from something done before, not only with technology, but with everything manufactured in the capitalist markets we live in.
Basically, i think we have two choices: ware out our equipment untill we really need a new one (in case of a mobile phone for me i would say that it's about 3 years), or sell our semi-new equipment and buy a new one every year or so. I usually choose the first one, but i'm not always sure that it is the cheapest.
About speed, I know that the tytn II's are far from being the best phone HTC made, heck, my old magician (qtek s110) was way faster. But it didn't have to deal with gps, wifi, 3G, HSDPA, hardware keyboard, etc. They're only three years apart from each other, and look at the differences!
I actually agree with you that the kaiser is slow for a 2007 PDA, but it can do a lot. So, like everyone else in this forum, i've been reading, and trying, and failing, and trying again. The best Rom i've tried is shifu's v8, i do like it a lot. And the advantage of WM is that you can really do everything you want to change the look and the way you interact with your phone, and there are thousands of programs to do whatever you need your phone to do.
There's so many software out there, that it is hard to get to the best one for you. Some prefer SPB Mobile Shell3, i prefer Manila 2D. There's also the new Titanium in WM 6.5, PointUI, Throttle Launcher.... I compare this situation to the photography industry: there are hundreds of camera models, most of them give very similar image quality for the same price, but if you visit photography forums you'll find people that just can't get used to a certain model of a certain brand, and normally for reasons you wouldn't even think of.
That doesn't turn that model into a lemon, but usually makes it more special to the ones that actually like it.
So, my question is, is there any phone on the market that works like a simple usb pen? Does the iphone do that? Blackberrys? And you could use bluetooth to transfer data, have you tried that?
Just trying to help, as i don't consider myself a geek, but i do prefer windows mobile over symbian.
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So, my question is, is there any phone on the market that works like a simple usb pen? Does the iphone do that? Blackberrys? And you could use bluetooth to transfer data, have you tried that?
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Actually yes the BBs do USB File transfer when plugged into a PC with nothing extra installed. You get prompted on the device to enable Mass Storage Mode.
jaugusto said:
I prefer to think that technology is being developed, rather than big companies are just "milking us". Every new product is an evolution from something done before, not only with technology, but with everything manufactured in the capitalist markets we live in.
Basically, i think we have two choices: ware out our equipment untill we really need a new one (in case of a mobile phone for me i would say that it's about 3 years), or sell our semi-new equipment and buy a new one every year or so. I usually choose the first one, but i'm not always sure that it is the cheapest.
About speed, I know that the tytn II's are far from being the best phone HTC made, heck, my old magician (qtek s110) was way faster. But it didn't have to deal with gps, wifi, 3G, HSDPA, hardware keyboard, etc. They're only three years apart from each other, and look at the differences!
I actually agree with you that the kaiser is slow for a 2007 PDA, but it can do a lot. So, like everyone else in this forum, i've been reading, and trying, and failing, and trying again. The best Rom i've tried is shifu's v8, i do like it a lot. And the advantage of WM is that you can really do everything you want to change the look and the way you interact with your phone, and there are thousands of programs to do whatever you need your phone to do.
There's so many software out there, that it is hard to get to the best one for you. Some prefer SPB Mobile Shell3, i prefer Manila 2D. There's also the new Titanium in WM 6.5, PointUI, Throttle Launcher.... I compare this situation to the photography industry: there are hundreds of camera models, most of them give very similar image quality for the same price, but if you visit photography forums you'll find people that just can't get used to a certain model of a certain brand, and normally for reasons you wouldn't even think of.
That doesn't turn that model into a lemon, but usually makes it more special to the ones that actually like it.
So, my question is, is there any phone on the market that works like a simple usb pen? Does the iphone do that? Blackberrys? And you could use bluetooth to transfer data, have you tried that?
Just trying to help, as i don't consider myself a geek, but i do prefer windows mobile over symbian.
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I think corporations do plan to make every gadget quickly outdated. Hardware and software companies help each other in that regard. Software is designed to require more and more computing power even though is often not necessary. We could be a lot farther ahead after 20 years of consumer computers. MS is probably the main cause of this troubled development and we are still stuck with it. Window mobile may be better than others but is still very far from being good. That was also the idea of a MS project manager friend of mine who eventually left Seattle and MS. I remember venting my frustration with him and he had no excuse to offer.
I did do ROM upgrades early on but then I had to remove them after developing other problems. If one day I run into somebody that will do it for me I may give them another try. I just had it with this PDA I don't to waste anymore time.
I have a lot of other things in my life and I just don't want to spend time on something that should save me time. It just does not make any sense to me.
When this PDA will crap out I'll be very careful of what I may buy. I think I have learned the lesson. The only thing that I have appreciated is the navigator which is neither HTC or MS. I travel a lot so I keep the bastard only for that. I have to bear the bulk and weight of it for navigation and the occasional email.
I don't know if there are PDAs that can be used like a USB pen. I really hope so. It is such a simple thing, if there aren't any then it's really bad out there.
Thanks for your help
Cheers
I agree with everything you posted originally. Although, it's not HTC's fault as much as it is Microsoft's. I happen to love the G1
I've had a tilt for a year now and, while flashing ROMs does make it bearable, Windows Mobile just sucks in general imo.
mbarvian said:
I agree with everything you posted originally. Although, it's not HTC's fault as much as it is Microsoft's. I happen to love the G1
I've had a tilt for a year now and, while flashing ROMs does make it bearable, Windows Mobile just sucks in general imo.
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Great to hear that I am not the only unhappy here. Actually I believe there are a lot more but they don't want to admit it.
So you guys de-lurk yourself and get it off your chest. You'll feel better. After all we just bought the PDA, we did not do anything terrible. There wasn't much choice anyway. If I made it or the OS then I would feel really bad about myself.
Cheers
When I originally chose the successor to my aging gSmart phone, I did a lot(!) of research on functionality, features and technological viability.
But somehow it never appeared to me to check out the viability of the underlying Operating System (WinMo) itself - given my early history with PalmOS and how Palm Inc. had just surrendered to Microzoft over nite, it never dawned on me that WinMo itself might one day share the same fate as the doomed Palm Operating System.
But now I stumbled across this Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile
Now did I just spend $800 on a phone (and am about to waste another $100 on renewing my non-transferable licenses) that won't have any Operating System Updates coming past 2010?!
In that article HTC is alleged to not just be the greatest supplier of WinMo phones, with 80% they're pretty much *it* - meaning no HTC no WinMo phone market no more.
Now what does HTC say about their commitment to the WinMo platform?
And if HTC decides not to release e.g. WM7 for the HD2, will the ROM cookers of XDA come to our aid and port for us (please) one of those leaked versions?
So many questions and so few answers
WM will still be developed. ROM updates will be released. WM7 will be released for the HD2 probably officially and for free. I really don't see the problem. Besides the HTC Sense hides WM so much that if there wasn't the start icon on the screen you wouldn't even notice it works on WM...
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WM will still be developed. ROM updates will be released. WM7 will be released for the HD2 probably officially and for free. I really don't see the problem. Besides the HTC Sense hides WM so much that if there wasn't the start icon on the screen you wouldn't even notice it works on WM...
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R u trying to be extra dense on purpose or are you just to inexperienced to realize what kind of a problem it is if the Operating System you're running is no longer being developed?
Ever spoken to an OS/2 user lately or watch the calisthenics of an Amiga user when trying to perform such mundane tasks like trying to run a GigaByte database application on his systm?
Ever watched an Atari user trying to download a 300MB file from the Internet?
Seen a Palm User playing Adobe Flash videos lately?
I could go on like this, but it is naive at best to have the attitude "because I don't see my Operating system during daily use, I don't have to worry about getting support for it..."
Microsoft have rested on their laurels for too long, and WM7 might be too far away to do any good. But don't worry, WM6.6 is just around the corner.... What is that gonna bring???
Android has come from nowhere, fueled by the Iphone?
WM is just cluncky right now, HTC can only cover over the little cracks of WM, but the big cracks still exist. One day soon, even HTC will say "Windows... ahhh Feck it!!!"
I've always poo-pooed Android because I would not want to leave the WM apps I have on my device. But those apps I have are apps that rectify WM shortcomings in the first place - shortcomings that don't appear on Android.
There are only two apps I can't live without and would keep me using WM a device, and they are My Sport Training and My Personal Diet. And in 2010 they are going to be ported over to Android. When I see them on Android, I will sit up....
I just think all the other operating systems are getting more polished, but WM is still a turd. And an old turd at that....
A final point that has just come to me.... People say that WM allows you to alter the settings and just tinker.... why? Because it is crap and you need to spend so much time getting it right? Because people here at forums like this can do better and produce software better than MS or HTC????
Am I ranting??? Am I coming to the end of WM?
Discuss...
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R u trying to be extra dense on purpose or are you just to inexperienced to realize what kind of a problem it is if the Operating System you're running is no longer being developed?
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That's particularly offensive and you should apologise to gregormax immediately for that!
The "article" you linked suggest that it may be possible that windows mobile will no longer be developed. It's an analyst suggesting a possibility - it is not fact, or even likely.
You should read the whole thing again, but don't take it as gospel just because an analyst was "quoted" on a wiki page.
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R u trying to be extra dense on purpose or are you just to inexperienced to realize what kind of a problem it is if the Operating System you're running is no longer being developed?
Ever spoken to an OS/2 user lately or watch the calisthenics of an Amiga user when trying to perform such mundane tasks like trying to run a GigaByte database application on his systm?
Ever watched an Atari user trying to download a 300MB file from the Internet?
Seen a Palm User playing Adobe Flash videos lately?
I could go on like this, but it is naive at best to have the attitude "because I don't see my Operating system during daily use, I don't have to worry about getting support for it..."
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Good analogies... My Amiga 500 Plus had a 170mb hardrive. Huge!!!!! I only filled 40mb of it! lol... And I could run a country off that! And that was only 18 years ago... LOL
I don't see what the fuss is about. What more do you want it to do?
It sends emails, sms (some times ) & mms
Connects to the internet.
Has wifi
Can be used as a router
Takes photos & video
Plays videos
Has weather & stocks
Finger friendly (If you say its not you have chubby fingers and should start eating lettice)
Plays games
Theres loads more. So what if WM7 doesn't come out on this it's a great phone as it is (apart from sms issue)
What more do I want it to do? I can think of a lot I would like my handheld to do in the future. I want it to show actual video of the road I'm driving down with a big orange stripe telling me where to go. That's the navigation of the future. I want it to stream HD video flawlessly, from every possible source. I want it to play music and have a DAC and preamp as good as a high end car/home stereo. I want it to call the police when it gets stolen and tell them where it is. I want to be able to think of words and have them appear on the screen, same with opening applications. I want it to be incredibly easy to use and predict what I'm going to do before I do it. I want it to tell me that my favorite Cheesesteak restaurant is going out of business in a week so I better swing by for a last sandwich before it's too late. I want it to clock me in at work when I walk in the door and send a message to them when it determines I won't make it on time.
I don't hate WM and Sense 2.5 right now at all, my phone does more than anybody else's around me but there is no way I would be happy with it a decade from now. I bet if you look back at a phone you were totally happy with ten years ago that you wouldn't want it in your pocket today.
Microsoft hasn't lost yet but they need to get to work and they need to do it fast, that is if they want to compete. Maybe they don't care about mobile any more. That's OK too, other companies do and will care.
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What more do I want it to do? I can think of a lot I would like my handheld to do in the future. I want it to show actual video of the road I'm driving down with a big orange stripe telling me where to go. That's the navigation of the future. I want it to stream HD video flawlessly, from every possible source. I want it to play music and have a DAC and preamp as good as a high end car/home stereo. I want it to call the police when it gets stolen and tell them where it is. I want to be able to think of words and have them appear on the screen, same with opening applications. I want it to be incredibly easy to use and predict what I'm going to do before I do it. I want it to tell me that my favorite Cheesesteak restaurant is going out of business in a week so I better swing by for a last sandwich before it's too late. I want it to clock me in at work when I walk in the door and send a message to them when it determines I won't make it on time.
I don't hate WM and Sense 2.5 right now at all, my phone does more than anybody else's around me but there is no way I would be happy with it a decade from now. I bet if you look back at a phone you were totally happy with ten years ago that you wouldn't want it in your pocket today.
Microsoft hasn't lost yet but they need to get to work and they need to do it fast, that is if they want to compete. Maybe they don't care about mobile any more. That's OK too, other companies do and will care.
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u forgot making coffee...
pharao said:
R u trying to be extra dense on purpose or are you just to inexperienced to realize what kind of a problem it is if the Operating System you're running is no longer being developed?
Ever spoken to an OS/2 user lately or watch the calisthenics of an Amiga user when trying to perform such mundane tasks like trying to run a GigaByte database application on his systm?
Ever watched an Atari user trying to download a 300MB file from the Internet?
Seen a Palm User playing Adobe Flash videos lately?
I could go on like this, but it is naive at best to have the attitude "because I don't see my Operating system during daily use, I don't have to worry about getting support for it..."
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First of all you get support and new updates from HTC. A new version of WM? OK, what for? You write about Atari, Palm, etc. but this just shows you don't know what you're talking about. What great feature do you see for phones coming before WM7 is released (this year)? Because right now with the 6.5 you can do EVERYTHING the competition offers and even more (compare the HD2 to the iPhone for instance). Your arguments about Amiga and Atari are quite... let's say childish. The last popular Amiga was released more than 15 years ago so what do you want to prove with that. The problem here is not the software but the hardware. In 3 years the HD2 won't be probably even decent compared to newer devices and system updates won't help. Do you think that with a new Amiga OS (i.e. Workbench) you would now be able to open 1GB files on an Amiga 1200 with 2MB of RAM? Wish you luck .
In matter of OS I really don't see any update which would be a must before WM7 is released and as we all know WM7 will be probably available for the HD2 for free. So if you see some indispensable updates for WM6.5 be my guest - I really wonder what it could be. Besides it's really smart to rely on Wikipedia for official news... afaik WM is still in development and WM6.6 will be released soon - just as I wrote in the first post - quote: "WM will still be developed". The problem is that for no apparent reason you think WM won't be developed anymore and that's a quite naive statement.
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That's particularly offensive and you should apologise to gregormax immediately for that!
The "article" you linked suggest that it may be possible that windows mobile will no longer be developed. It's an analyst suggesting a possibility - it is not fact, or even likely.
You should read the whole thing again, but don't take it as gospel just because an analyst was "quoted" on a wiki page.
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Why is it offensive if I ask someone who in essence says "If I don't see my OpSys then I don't have to worry about it not being supported any more" if he tries to be dense on purpose?
That is not offensive at all, and I will most certainly not apologize for making a valid point here.
Quite to the contrary I think that gregormax should think about how qualified his remarks were, which most certainly did not address the issue of my posting at all - but just tried to belittle it all.
And I did read the whole darn article, including the part where every(!) industry analyst agreed that 2010 is the out time for Windows Mobile and WinMo7 the last major release of it.
And I have seen this cycle happening before.
As soon as the OpSys manufacturer pulls the plug on their platform, all the major SW developers will stop developing for it - and in most cases will also stop supporting their apps.
Regardless of how much money users just paid for their software.
So I do think that this is a valid point of concern for anyone spending close to a thousand dollars on their HTC device.
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Good analogies... My Amiga 500 Plus had a 170mb hardrive. Huge!!!!! I only filled 40mb of it! lol... And I could run a country off that! And that was only 18 years ago... LOL
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Do you realize that there are still Amiga computers sold even today?
They have two companies in Italy still marketing that platform.
Their designs look quite impressive, until you get to the actual technical details.
And then you realize how hopelessly outdated the whole darn thing is.
And "running a whole country of 170mb"?
I doubt that very much. Even back in the days, it took more than that just to manage a single city. That is what IBM mainframes were made for.
All is said but here my 5 cent.
A company like MS does have the claim to be present in all possible software markets regardless of the fact wheter with or without success. They will never drop it even if they lose money because to them its an image thingy....
I'm also pretty sure that Microsoft will bring at some point their own smartphone which is currently nothing else but a rumour but gonna come true once and that will be running on such an OS developed by MS as well.
Cheers
LEE
Towserspvm2000 said:
Microsoft have rested on their laurels for too long, and WM7 might be too far away to do any good. But don't worry, WM6.6 is just around the corner.... What is that gonna bring???
Android has come from nowhere, fueled by the Iphone?
WM is just cluncky right now, HTC can only cover over the little cracks of WM, but the big cracks still exist. One day soon, even HTC will say "Windows... ahhh Feck it!!!"
I've always poo-pooed Android because I would not want to leave the WM apps I have on my device. But those apps I have are apps that rectify WM shortcomings in the first place - shortcomings that don't appear on Android.
There are only two apps I can't live without and would keep me using WM a device, and they are My Sport Training and My Personal Diet. And in 2010 they are going to be ported over to Android. When I see them on Android, I will sit up....
I just think all the other operating systems are getting more polished, but WM is still a turd. And an old turd at that....
A final point that has just come to me.... People say that WM allows you to alter the settings and just tinker.... why? Because it is crap and you need to spend so much time getting it right? Because people here at forums like this can do better and produce software better than MS or HTC????
Am I ranting??? Am I coming to the end of WM?
Discuss...
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Well, I would have most certainly accused you of "ranting" myself, until I read what all those Industry Analysts and the major phone suppliers said about their (lacking) support for WinMo - that and the ever Shrinking Market Share of WM.
Now I feel I just wasted another thousand dollars (phone + SW licenses) on a freaking Dinosaur.
A device outdated by its Operating System before it even hit the shelves
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All is said but here my 5 cent.
A company like MS does have the claim to be present in all possible software markets regardless of the fact wheter with or without success. They will never drop it even if they lose money because to them its an image thingy....
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Cheers
LEE
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They used to say the same About Apple and the Newton, until Apple dropped that platform over night.
Same with IBM and OS/2.
I just don't see how they can survive their ever shrinking market share and I never knew that 80% of all WinMo phones are made by one single company - HTC.
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What more do I want it to do? I can think of a lot I would like my handheld to do in the future. I want it to show actual video of the road I'm driving down with a big orange stripe telling me where to go. That's the navigation of the future. I want it to stream HD video flawlessly, from every possible source. I want it to play music and have a DAC and preamp as good as a high end car/home stereo. I want it to call the police when it gets stolen and tell them where it is. I want to be able to think of words and have them appear on the screen, same with opening applications. I want it to be incredibly easy to use and predict what I'm going to do before I do it. I want it to tell me that my favorite Cheesesteak restaurant is going out of business in a week so I better swing by for a last sandwich before it's too late. I want it to clock me in at work when I walk in the door and send a message to them when it determines I won't make it on time.
I don't hate WM and Sense 2.5 right now at all, my phone does more than anybody else's around me but there is no way I would be happy with it a decade from now. I bet if you look back at a phone you were totally happy with ten years ago that you wouldn't want it in your pocket today.
Microsoft hasn't lost yet but they need to get to work and they need to do it fast, that is if they want to compete. Maybe they don't care about mobile any more. That's OK too, other companies do and will care.
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I don't care about Sandwiches or what happens a decade from now.
But that my old TomTom App & Maps no longer work on the HTC HD2 and that it is now highly unlikely that TomTom will ever offer support for that platform, yes that does concern me a lot.
The same goes for my multiple talking language dictionaries I own, as I do travel excessively.
If they are not ported over, I just wasted close to $200 for language packs I can't even use as weights (should have bought the paper version instead ;-(
There are many, many such applications that I used to run on my old gSmart phone, and was waiting to be ported to the WVGA HD2 platform.
But after reading that article I highly, highly doubt that many SW vendors will be in a hurry to invest development capacity for a dieing platform.
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They used to say the same About Apple and the Newton, until Apple dropped that platform over night.
Same with IBM and OS/2.
I just don't see how they can survive their ever shrinking market share and I never knew that 80% of all WinMo phones are made by one single company - HTC.
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well but those examples are a bit different. OS/2 was dropped because microsoft finished the coop. with IBM (simply a strategic decision for focusing on windows) and the newton because of the not given market acceptance. None of the because of the big competition on the market like now....
Maybe they should corner the HTC ;-)
You are so wrong my friend. I have an ex colleague that works for Route 66. They received all the Android prototypes and WM phones to get software developed on them. Android will get navigation software and my guess is that the HD2 will also get navigation software for the new wm7. He can't tell me more, because of the confidentiality.
I really think you are exaggerating and the lack of inside info, or any kind of confirmation, strong rumor, or whatever is making you think this way.
Just give it a couple of months until we see wm7 and we get an official confirmation for the hd2.
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Why is it offensive if I ask someone who in essence says "If I don't see my OpSys then I don't have to worry about it not being supported any more" if he tries to be dense on purpose?
That is not offensive at all, and I will most certainly not apologize for making a valid point here.
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I told you to apologise because this is supposed to be a mature and helpful forum, and not filled with people who immediately start name-calling as soon as there is a person who disagrees with their point of view. People who resort to that are singularly responsible for the only bad aspect of this whole forum.
R u trying to be extra dense on purpose or are you just to inexperienced
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You WERE offensive and you SHOULD apologise. If you had any level of maturity you would at least accept that name-calling is pretty pathetic and pointless.
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You are so wrong my friend. I have an ex colleague that works for Route 66. They received all the Android prototypes and WM phones to get software developed on them. Android will get navigation software and my guess is that the HD2 will also get navigation software for the new wm7. He can't tell me more, because of the confidentiality.
I really think you are exaggerating and the lack of inside info, or any kind of confirmation, strong rumor, or whatever is making you think this way.
Just give it a couple of months until we see wm7 and we get an official confirmation for the hd2.
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When I spoke with TomTom about support for the HD2 they told me flat out "no support and none planned".
And I need turn by turn mapping software that includes places like Eastern Europe, Africa and South America.
Not just maps for downtown London or Los Angeles.
And there are not so many GPS capable map application providers out there who "cover the whole globe".
The WinMo support by companies like TomTom was the reason why I bought my first WinMo phone to begin with, as I had originally set my mind on a Linux phone.
If HTC can not secure that kind of support for the HD2, then I made a serious misjudgment in spending that much money for this device :-(
Being certified by Microsoft and specializing in Internet security, I know that Windows is the most targeted operating system for viruses, trojans, malware etc. Surely there must be an anti-virus by now for WP7.
After doing a search in the Market Place I didnt find any. There were anti-virus applications for WM6x, Iphone, Android and even Symbian but what about WP7. My guess is it wont be long before we need some sort of anti-virus protection for our devices. Picture this, you see a nice application from an independent website which wets your whistle. You install it by Toms Xap installer and your phone goes off. You try to restart but it refuses. The boot screen comes up with a message saying you are a victim of a virus which has now rendered your phone into a very expensive paper weight. It is possible and installing Xap applications through Toms Xap installer makes us even more exposed to malicious applications. WP7 Market Place scans applications and games to make sure you are protected. I'm not trying to scare people here so please dont get me wrong but I am trying to open peoples eyes and urge you to be cautious when installing applications which are not from WP7 Market Place or Xda.
I thought I would create this threat for the Xda community to share their views on this.
Personally I wont bother, its up to the users. Its all documented on Google.
see here: http://www.techgazing.com/2010/01/11/do-i-need-an-anti-virus-for-my-phone/
Russ
I would have to say that is a very interesting read. Nothing in there were mentioned about WP7. All I am saying is to be careful. That article claims there are 420 mobile phone viruses and most targeted is Symbian. This is because Symbian have been out longer than Android, Iphone and WM. Symbian certainly bought out more phones over the years so this would explain why they were targeted.
The case where the anti-virus company actually had a virus and passed it on through updates was shocking. That should never have happened and was very negligent of the anti-virus company.
Although people may think it will never happen to them, for the occasional few it does. People take out mobile phone insurance but how any people claim insurance? Why pay money for insurance when you dont take measures to backup your data and protect your device?
The internet is full of traps and data collecting nasties and you never can be sure that what ever you are downloading is 100% safe. Dont you think better to be safe than sorry should be a moto well remembered?
What you are missing is the fact that WP7 apps run completely sandboxed - they cannot reach out of their own little world.
Sure, installing a homebrew app which includes native code may circumvent this but I'd say that's the risk you take when geeking around with your phone
I think an antivirus-software is a totally useless investion of money for now.
You say, windows is the most targetted OS for viruses. Yeah, for sure, because most of people use it.
But its another thing if you look onto the mobile operating systems. The users are spread in 3-4 groups there: WM, Android, iOS and maybe the Blackberry OS.
So the virus-programmers need to choose first, for which platform they are going to write some malicious code. They are never gonna hit that much users as they would hit with Windows for Desktop.
I never heard of any popular virus for any mobilephone including WM-phones.
Secondly, WP7 is a totally new OS. For now, the count of people using this OS is way lower than that of Android and iOS - Users.
So why should hackers choose WP7 especially now as their victim?
My opinion for my last 5 years of using mobile operating systems is: You dont need it.
You have the same ability for sideloading apps with android and iOS too for now and they are much longer on the market than the new WP7 and I never heard of any viruses.
Anti-virus software is a complete waste of money, i dont use it on any of my 3 windows computers or any phones...
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I never heard of any popular virus for any mobilephone including WM-phones.
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Norton and Kaperski have both had anti-virus on Symbian and WM
scbrother said:
Anti-virus software is a complete waste of money, i dont use it on any of my 3 windows computers or any phones...
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OMG are you trying to commit online suicide lol
AndHD2 said:
Norton and Kaperski have both had anti-virus on Symbian and WM
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read my post again. I didnt mean anti-virus-software, I meant viruses!
mideel said:
read my post again. I didnt mean anti-virus-software, I meant viruses!
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I think I had a Homer Simpson moment then.....Duh lol
i do not think antivirus on Phone is necessary. it will rather slow down stuff.
There is only 1 (ONE) existing virus for WM 6.x. Funny enough it was created by Kaspersky in order to demonstrate that viruses are possible and ppl should install AV software
Viruses for WP7 are almost useless as apps are completely sandboxed. Same thing with iOS. Only Android offers enough freedom for malicious code and then again only if rooted.
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Being certified by Microsoft and specializing in Internet security, I know that Windows is the most targeted operating system for viruses, trojans, malware etc. Surely there must be an anti-virus by now for WP7.
After doing a search in the Market Place I didnt find any. There were anti-virus applications for WM6x, Iphone, Android and even Symbian but what about WP7. My guess is it wont be long before we need some sort of anti-virus protection for our devices. Picture this, you see a nice application from an independent website which wets your whistle. You install it by Toms Xap installer and your phone goes off. You try to restart but it refuses. The boot screen comes up with a message saying you are a victim of a virus which has now rendered your phone into a very expensive paper weight. It is possible and installing Xap applications through Toms Xap installer makes us even more exposed to malicious applications. WP7 Market Place scans applications and games to make sure you are protected. I'm not trying to scare people here so please dont get me wrong but I am trying to open peoples eyes and urge you to be cautious when installing applications which are not from WP7 Market Place or Xda.
I thought I would create this threat for the Xda community to share their views on this.
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Apparently the certificate and specialization doesn't help much when there is lack of reading. Sorry, you've started your post with that sentence and it only makes you look silly.
If you've read even ONE review of this OS you'd realize that it lacks multitasking! That saidb there is no possibility (yet) of an application (AV) running in the background to check files/processes. Besides this OS is so closed you can't even download unsupported files! Today I couldn't download a simple .rar archive - it said that WP7 doesn't support this filetype
As for sideloading applications it's not officially supported by MS so it's just one of the "risks" advanced users need to cope with as Microsoft is checking each application before posting it on the marketplace. Plus the applications written are all in managed code and we don't even have access to system functions. Even simple functions like reading the battery percentage are unsupported.
So there is technically an extremely low risk of viruses in this pretty much closed OS.
I can't imagine AV's impact on already poor battery performance on HD2 WM7.
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Apparently the certificate and specialization doesn't help much when there is lack of reading. Sorry, you've started your post with that sentence and it only makes you look silly.
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Agreed. And most of us are used to flashing a new ROM every week, which is all you'd really need to do to recover from a 'virus'. I'm struggling to see what the danger is, especially on WP7.
Poor battery performance?
iBimmer said:
I can't imagine AV's impact on already poor battery performance on HD2 WM7.
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What exactly are you doing to cause poor battery performance with WP7 on your HD2? It is probably the best battery life I have had on my phone other than an energy rom.
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What exactly are you doing to cause poor battery performance with WP7 on your HD2? It is probably the best battery life I have had on my phone other than an energy rom.
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i think most ppl who say something about poor battery perfomance on wp7 hd2 never used push mail on their phones
whats more likely is that you get a virus on you PC that trashes your phone on flash.
ah the good old days when virus wiped BIOSs and totally ruined your day.
I think its highly unlikely anything could happn on the device its self for the reasons mentioned above, worst case you could hard reset, unlike PCs most stuff is backed up, hopefully everything soon (Myphone please MS!!) and it takes a few min to reinstall, doing the same on your PC would mean a day watching movies whilst you set it all back up again.
Obviously this is a pretty safe OS, but if they do get something like Lookout Security I'll get it, simply for peace of mind.
virus/worm problem
I landed here after a search for antivirus for wp7. i use a htc hd7 chevron unlocked and over the last two days i experienced unwanted outgoing email on my live.com account. i use live.com account on the phone and also on PC via live.com and also using outlook connector...
how can i check which is affected with a virus - pc scan using avg shows clean. the unwanted emails go out apparantly when my pc is off - so is the virus on my wp7 or actually on live.com?
according to this post, there couldnt be a virus on wp7 is it??
any help/thoughts will be much appreciated.
TIA
I think my HD2/WP7 has something dodgy monitoring my actions as after I registered my debit card with the Market & made the first 79p payment for the XDA app I get a dodgy email to my Live email claiming to be from my bank saying there has been unusual activity with a html attachment.
This is a fake, but they new my bank and Live email address and the fact that I made some unusual activity: as in the 79p app.
WP7 is open somewhere!
Way off phone topic.... I did not want to sign up for another forum to ask this question. I figure that there are enough corporate techies here. I received an IM from the IT department at work saying there was a virus on my computer. He took remote access of my PC and ran a scan revealing trojan files in multiple profiles under documents and settings of several user Id's. I Browse safe at work only known news sites and XDA of course. I dont even use this computer very often. My fear is that this may fall on my head. Given that it was discovered when i was logged in to the computer at the time. and I I heard no one else in the department say that IT scanned their computer as well. Needless to say I am pretty scared about maybe loosing my job, The only reassuring thing I have right now is that from what I can see the trojan did how under my profile folder. can someone shed some light on this situation. or point me in a direction to reassure myself that this is not my fault.
Are you 100% positive that it was the IT department IMing you? Kind of sounds to me like a prank or one of those fake antivirus software.
Err.....wow! I understand what you are going through mate. had the same issue with an ex-employee here that clicked on the wrong link and ended up with an ugly piece of malware in her PC. PC died and had to be replaced.
The only reason for you to be afraid is that "you" know what sites you visited or what files you downloaded otherwise there should not be any repercussions.
Now, if your company forbids in any way the use of the PC for personal use and you did so and ended up costing them money...I would highly suggest going to your superiors and talk to them apologizing for the incident and promising that this will never happen again.
Also....be aware of pop-up windows telling you that you have a virus or trojan and asking you to click on the "scan" button...that's how she got that virus
I am sure this wasnt a prank.... the took remote access to my pc and did some work nobody that knows me could have done. Your right MTM my only saving grace right now is that I know what sites i visited and i know what i have done. My work permits moderate personal use during down time. I dont know much but I know not to click any suspicious links. I am mildly tech savvy. The only thing i ever downloaded to a work computer is a zipped rom from this sight, because I killed my Evo once or twice at work. we do have a lot of down time.... during that time I can look around and see numerous people on facebook streaming videos and even watching dvds in the company machines I guess my work ethic does not undertand this. I know the hammer is coming down... I guess my real question is that if by chance i caught this virus would have showed up in my profile as well as the others because i did not see it in mine just about 8 other peoples profiles on this PC. Thanks alot for your responses. I guess paranoia and fear has gotten a hold of m e At the moment I am grossly underemployed at the moment and this job is misery but i am lucky to have it and really cannot loose it.
Oh yea and LOL on your thread cat
Good luck mate and hopefully there won't be any repercussions and if there are....an important lesson has been learned here, I hope
Cheers,
Chances are the trojans were in your temporary internet files folder under your profile and from the sounds of it other people who've used your computer have had it too.
I wouldn't worry about it, legitimate sites can get hacked and then infect visitors, or just get downloaded to temp internet files without infecting anything.
Same here...
My personal computer at home was infected two nights ago by a "Rogue:Win32/FaceScanti" virus/malware. The funny thing was the time/datestamps on the files (under the hidden AppData folder in my user directory) were during a time I wasn't even on the computer. I did, however, have several IE windows open on XDA threads. (I'm not big fan of how XDA pages constantly refresh in the background, either.)
Anybody else have something similar happen to them, or suspicions that it might have come through an XDA forum ad? I'm an IT professional, and VERY careful what I do and do not click on.
Strange I don't think that is what happened in my case but what do I know... I see people at work visiting sites on work machines that I would not go to on my worst enemies computer. My mind was eased today when I got to work and I actually saw some one on the pirate bay site . But I am still confused as to why the virus would show up while I am logged in but not show in My profile folders during the scan. oh well thanks for your input everyone
And I an not in IT to any extent and I don't click on anything!!!
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