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D3D drivers and TT7/Igo8

Hi All, i have a question concerining the latest release of the d3d drivers
seeing as fullscreen is fully supported is there a way that tomtom and igo can be run in window mode, posibly taking advantage of the d3d drivers ?
would be awesome to have tt7 with full-speed and AA to smooth those HORRIBLE edges
anyway just wanted to know if possible and how etc,
greetzt to all

Probably rewrite DDI as a wrapper to OpenGL.. Otherwise, rewrite DDI to take more advantage of the available ATI hardware, but DDI sucks even on any PC with quite readily available drivers. Volunteers?
Apple seriously did the right thing by moving from ancient QuickDraw --> DisplayPostscript --> *** --> OpenGL as their core graphics API. DDI is basically still QuickDraw. (QuickDraw II Forever!).
So, either we somehow rip the 2D drivers from a Toshiba G810 rom, if a dump exists, because it looks really fast from those YouTube videos -- if it's not faked demo pre-release rom magic again like the Sedna.
Or, get the TT/iGo people to give us D3D/OGL versions. Maybe WM7 will fix all of this.. if we will ever get it, since it's also an entire OS upgrade, CE5 --> CE6 which resembles win98 to winNT upgrade.

Windows 7 Pre-Beta on the Shift?

Windows 7 Pre-Beta on EEE PC 1000H
Reading the above linked article, it seems to me that if all the Vista drivers for the Shift work with Windows 7, it might be the ideal replacement for Vista on the Shift.
The article mentions that on the EEE less than half the available RAM is consumed by the OS, which would be a massive improvement on Vista.
I was wondering if anyone here had access to the pre-Beta and was prepared to take the plunge and install it on their Shift. I'm sure I'll get a copy sooner or later via my Technet subscription, but since this is a pre-Beta, I'll probably have to wait for the first fully fledged beta copy.
Regards,
Dave

I was thinking exactly the same ...
I was thinking exactly the same ... and had even asked about it to Rob from Gottabemobile.com but i am still looking forward to someone actually trying it out ...
Folloing is my interaction with Rob in comments on Gottabemobile.com ( http://www.gottabemobile.com/2008/10/28/windows-7-tablet-pc-screen-shots/ )
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Dr. Angel Rajan Singh | Oct 29, 2008 | Reply
Hi Rob, if i am not wrong, you guys have an HTC shift. I’ll be grateful if someone could shed some shed light on whether HTC shift would support Windows 7 and will there be speed improvements by using Windows 7 on it instead of Vista?
It’s important for me to know at this stage because i need to decide whether to persist with HTC shift for long or not. I hate to part with the Shift as upto date it’s the best device with features which no other device has been able to replace till now … though their implementation is a bit floppy and Vista is a real resourse hog so far forcing me turn off aero all together and opt for basic ME, 97 like theme to make it work fine!
Sorry for the trouble but ur reply will be really helpful in giving the Shift a bright future!
Thanks in advance!
Rob | Oct 29, 2008 | Reply
We reviewed the HTC Shift last year, but do not have one. During the keynote yesterday, Sinofsky demoed Windows 7 running on a netbook, so it looks promising. "

You can find the Alpha versions of windows 7 in heaps of torrent site's

Windows 7 on shift
I'm downloading Windows 7 build 6801 now and will try to install it tonight.
Will post back later to let you know if the drivers work and the performance is better. I read an article somewhere on microsoft.com stating that in most cases Vista drivers will also work on windows 7. However, this was not the case on my desktop computer. The article also stated that windows 7 requires less ram than vista and will therefore run better on systems with only 1gb ram.

will look forward to your results eagerly ...
hi thanks for ur efforts ... i will eagerly look forward to ur results ...

and.... is it works? ;-)

i just tried to install it, but i get an error message, complaining about a missing install.wim.
i dont think thats supposed to be...so i have to keep at it and see what causes this. (make sure you burn the ISO using NERO.)
Ok, after a second try, Windows 7 is finally on my SHIFT.

wow, looks great. how is 7 running on the shift comparing with vista.
any more good news with 7 over vista? like, screen rotation? lol
once you played around with it a but more, let us know more about it! i'm sure we're all waiting to see if there are any good surprises.

wow .. plz post ur experience with windows 7 on shift
aquasesh said:
i just tried to install it, but i get an error message, complaining about a missing install.wim.
i dont think thats supposed to be...so i have to keep at it and see what causes this. (make sure you burn the ISO using NERO.)
Ok, after a second try, Windows 7 is finally on my SHIFT.
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Hi plz post your experience regarding how responsive is shift after installing windows 7 ...
I can see from screen shots that approx 500mb memory is free and that looks good ...
Any change is startup time? do u feel windows 7 less taxing than vista as far as windows graphics load is concerned?
And did all the existing drivers & programs work?
Sorry for the long list ... but i am too excited at the proposition of Shift actually turning out to be a faster device with windows 7

UPDATE: Windows 7 runs really well...even for a Pre BETA...i havent tested the stability much yet, but I can safely say, its much better than
Vista.
Even beats my Ubuntu in speed.
However, there are some small problems I have to fix first.
If you want to install Win 7, make sure to enable all devices (WIFI, BT) in your existing Vista first. Otherwise you might have some trouble enabling them until we figure out Control Center.
Almost all drivers run well, some have to be forced by using VISTA RTM
compatibility mode. But they will install fine.
Exception is, the Intel VGA driver wont install. But the default driver is already very good and newer.
Also, the Control Center for the EC doesnt work. It installs, but the shagctrl.exe crashes upon start. I have to see what goes on with that.
About the touchscreen. It was a little tricky at first and I needed to reinstall Windows 7. But if you install the EC driver first, before any other
driver, you can get it to work. The touchscreen responds perfect and the default calibration is also perfect. (better and more accurate than Vista)
Windows 7 itself seems like a good approach to a new OS. Its very simple and speedy and features a new taskbar, I would call it Quickbar...it has some jumplists where you can pin programs and folders. Its ok, but maybe better on big screens. Nice are the icon previews of your stuff launched in the taskbar...i will see that i get some screenshots going.
Also new is Internet Explorer 8, featuring site suggestions according to your surf behaviour. It also checks your downloads for threads while downloading.
Windows Media Player is 12.
Finally, i get about 110min battery life with default power settings, Wifi and Bluetooth enabled.

Does anyone have the original HTC driver and application set?
(not the one from the website, the one which comes with the Shift)
I want to try the older Control Center, but I am too lazy to extract the install.wim...

I got about the same results as aquasesh. Drivers installed ok except control center and touch screen. Windows 7 feels faster than Vista.
Let me know if you fint a solution to the control center and touch screen issues

deadnex said:
I got about the same results as aquasesh. Drivers installed ok except control center and touch screen. Windows 7 feels faster than Vista.
Let me know if you fint a solution to the control center and touch screen issues
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Touchscreen is fixed. Just install the Embedded Controller driver first, right after the installation. After that I installed fingerprint, chipset and
finally touchscreen.
I am about to test AVI performance. And after I will try to fix the Control Center.

Thanks mate
I really appreciate your work...

Thanks a ton for testing Windows 7 on Shift ...
Thanks a ton for testing Windows 7 on Shift ...
I am very eagerly following your feedback on the windows 7 experience as it was always my personal feeling that the culprit behind shift's slow response is vista ...
I will download windows 7 soon and will give it a try ...
Look forward to reading your's and other's experiences and refining my install when i take the plunge ...

Aquasesh - did you find a way to make the 1024x600 interpolation work in Windows 7?

deadnex said:
Aquasesh - did you find a way to make the 1024x600 interpolation work in Windows 7?
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Not yet, the main problem is that the tool to switch the resolution, relies on the control center to work.
So far, I have not been able to get this working and i havent found the problem either.
I want to try the shipping version of the control center, but i have to extract it from the recovery partition first...will do that in a couple of hours.
If this doesnt work, I will try a different approach and try to mix my own tool.
I also tested the AVI performance, but video plays slow as ass...so nothing changed here.

aquasesh said:
Not yet, the main problem is that the tool to switch the resolution, relies on the control center to work.
So far, I have not been able to get this working and i havent found the problem either.
I want to try the shipping version of the control center, but i have to extract it from the recovery partition first...will do that in a couple of hours.
If this doesnt work, I will try a different approach and try to mix my own tool.
I also tested the AVI performance, but video plays slow as ass...so nothing changed here.
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From where did you get your Beta?
thanks
Ram

Try this SwapResolution utility.

saiweb said:
From where did you get your Beta?
thanks
Ram
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Search the known torrent sites for something like "windows 7 build 6801 32 bit".

Windows 7 RTM on HTC Shift?

Do any one tried windows 7 RTM on HTC Shift?
How you installed it and do all the drivers of windows vista work on Shift and do Shift perform faster in windows 7 instead of windows vista?
Thank you.

It works
It won't be much different from W7 RC, so you can install it and follow the guidelines on this forum for RC, RTM will behave the same.
It will be faster than vista, less memory consuming , and better suited
for mobile touch screens like our SHift.
Just do it

I do mention that it still have the specific Windows 7 on HTC Shift problems, as BSOD when AERO 1024x600, fullscreen Windows Media Center and all other problems. Control Center works well, touchscreen as well and all other chipsets.
PS: the sucks is however the "can't portrait, just landscape". No 3d party programs are working to change to portrait view...

I installed Windows 7 RTM without any problem and the BSOD in 1024x600 is solved disabling the Aero. (Using the Windows 7 Basic theme).
Nando

that's a work around
fealde said:
I installed Windows 7 RTM without any problem and the BSOD in 1024x600 is solved disabling the Aero. (Using the Windows 7 Basic theme).
Nando
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That's actually a workaround, we all want aero to work in 1024x
Let's hope some smart person writes something to help us out.

I have installed Windows 7 RTM on the Shift successfully.
After the installation of the drivers, i can't make WiFi and TouchScreen to work.
TouchScreen - i don't have DPinst.exe in the directory for EC Driver (as stated in the PDF file).
WiFi - i install the drivers, do a reset but still it doesnt recognize the WiFi adapter.
How did u manage to install them ?

fulgerul said:
I have installed Windows 7 RTM on the Shift successfully.
After the installation of the drivers, i can't make WiFi and TouchScreen to work.
TouchScreen - i don't have DPinst.exe in the directory for EC Driver (as stated in the PDF file).
WiFi - i install the drivers, do a reset but still it doesnt recognize the WiFi adapter.
How did u manage to install them ?
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Did you remember to turn on the Wifi and Bluetooth on the Vista side before installing Windows7?

The only problem is the touchscreen isn't working for me
Fresh install

For me everything is working, like the default shift install during the unpacking of the product. After Win7, most of the system is working already, only network (Lan and Wireless), Touchscreen, and the Shift control center needs installation. I have installed all the drivers (downloaded from the HTC site) that were still needed, as "administrator, and in compatibility mode for windows vista sp2. ( right click on the setup | properties | checkmark the option to run as administrator, and check the correct compatibility mode. Or use vista, or windows xp) First thing to install is the "Vista EC Driver ", after that the USB LAN driver. Than run the automatic update until you have installed all the windows 7 updates. You notice that the screen drivers are updated to the latest version. Than its time to install the rest of the drivers still needed: Touchscreen and the Marvall Wifi. (in compatibility mode installed...) The Control button on the shift is not working, but the Shift control program can be started via the programs button of windows 7, and all the options to start wireless and bleutooth are working.
My advise: Upgrade as soon as possible: Default Installation of WinVista gave me 720 MB memory in use after a fresh restart, the Windows7 uses 510 MB... so major performance boost !
Have fun,
Manus

Windows XP on PDA =)

Hello i am new to posting on this site but a long time reader and i have a Xda mini S (wizard).
anyway
i have been looking around the internet because of a crazy idea in my mind.
The idea came to me yesterday after upgrading my rom to WM6.1 then to WM6.5
So am looking at WM6.5 and just am thinking wouldnt it be nice to have Windows Xp on my phone so can be like a portable laptop with calling and texting.
i saw some thing about it for a different pda i think
so was just wondering is it possible to upgrade the rom and install XP on a Xda Mini s.
Doesnt have to be like the Desktop version it can be a mini remake.
as long as its possible to flash it again afterwards if i change my mind about it.
Anyone have any ideas for me ?

An easy way to fix this is via citrix, or via vmware...

well you must be a retard to think xp run on wizard is no such thing runnning xp on a pda close thread please...

@HackWindows
Take a look at windows 98/XP on PDA!!!!!.
@RDilus
Great answer. Maybe next time someone have a question you beat him up .

RDilus said:
well you must be a retard to think xp run on wizard is no such thing runnning xp on a pda close thread please...
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Dont See why PDA cuddnt run WINDOWS even if its a early version Most PDA specs match up + whats the point in answering on this post if you gonna say stuff like that ... your obviously not being helpfull.
Delete you account and not the thread =/

samxein said:
@HackWindows
Take a look at windows 98/XP on PDA!!!!!.
@RDilus
Great answer. Maybe next time someone have a question you beat him up .
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cheers i will do some more research on this

RDilus said:
well you must be a retard to think xp run on wizard is no such thing runnning xp on a pda close thread please...
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be more polite....

XP Phone
Check this website. To bad they created a phone that runs XP and not a phone on vista or 7

RDilus said:
well you must be a retard to think xp run on wizard is no such thing runnning xp on a pda close thread please...
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And here - -> http://www.intomobile.com/2009/09/17/preorders-open-for-windows-xp-phone.html
Maybe you should think outside the box a little before emphatically saying something isn't possible. Heck, 60 years ago noone thought it possible to carry around a phone withoutwires, or have a computer smaller than the size of a room.

hello,
i wanna say i had win 98.
but.... you have to change resolution with nyditot cause it isn't vga.
and on mine the mouse doesn't work.
just se this lik earlyer said http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362344
.
so goodluck i know it works cause i had it myself.
but as i said no mouse and slow.
just try it is great to see
also watch youtube there are movies about it.

Well, it is impossible to run Windows XP natively, because the architecture of the wizard(or any htc smartphone) differs from the pc architecture.
However, there are 2 ways to "run" xp on your wizard:
1) With an x86 emulator like bochs or qemu; you don't want that because it's even slow on a normal pc, and you still don't have sufficient RAM to run xp.
2) Run xp on a normal pc and use VNC or RDP to control it remotely(so you need a fast internet connection). I believe there an rdp app called "Terminal Services client" on a default wm installation, so I'd go for that one.
If you want to run windows to play games on your pda, I'd advice to forget it, vnc and rdp are not designed for such tasks...

Well, I dig this idea. any one with the know how should be able to port Tablet PC OS into an .nbf file with all the right drivers an stripped of all unnecessary junk ( a minimalist version) . If not a complete os than lookalike may be. May be i am dreaming big but someone should be able to help. I see ppl trying to port Linux/ android on wizard than why not XP?

The Omap processor (which is an ARM processor) isn't powerful enough to Emulate a x86 processor with acceptable speeds and memory to run XP on a wizard (even if XP has been stripped etc..).
Thread closed.

Upgrade to Win 7 without new installation of programs?

Hi guys,
as I read through the threads the upgrade to Win 7, same as the downgrade to Win XP, always requires the new installation of all software application programs that are not bundled with the OS.
i.e. MS Office, FireFox, Navigation software, ......
In June 2009 various news sites confirmed this obstacle.
In the last days I read that there will be (possibly) an upgrade that will not require the user to re-install the application layer programs.
Can anyone confirm or deny this statement.
And if it's confirmed will it be possible for the Shift?
Thnx a lot, guys

If you are upgrading from Vista, it is fine - you can do an in place upgrade and it will bring all your installed programs across.
If you have downgraded to XP, the only way to upgrade whilst preserving all your install programs is to upgrade to Vista first, and the upgrade to Win7 - there is no direct path from XP to Win7.
Regards,
Dave

Yeah, but Vista is still lurking, isn't it?
I'd rather endure installing everything twice (XP and Win7) than have Vista anywhere near my Shift!
In fact I did

foxmeister said:
If you are upgrading from Vista, it is fine - you can do an in place upgrade and it will bring all your installed programs across.
If you have downgraded to XP, the only way to upgrade whilst preserving all your install programs is to upgrade to Vista first, and the upgrade to Win7 - there is no direct path from XP to Win7.
Regards,
Dave
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Hi Dave,
thnx for your information.
I haven't done any downgrading (XP), not even the SP1 for Vista.
I have only liberated the Shift.
The OS is as shipped from HTC, only application programs installed.
If I do an inplace upgrade, will it get rid of all the Vista stuff that slows down the device? Meaning, will it be as good as a "complete from scratch" installation of Win 7?
Second, which version of Win 7 should I get? Home, Professional, RC?
And where do I get it?
Thnx a lot, cheers
baucis99

Yesterday I made a full backup image of my Vista installation. Then I upgraded my HTC Shift to Windows 7 Enterprise RTM from MSDN.
The upgrade process took 3 hours, because it had to migrate 300.000 files and settings from one OS to the other. Before the setup I had 15GiB free on the HDD and after that 18GiB where free! So upgrading Vista to Windows 7 won't leave any old memory chunk on the HDD.
I only had to reinstall the Touchscreen Drivers. Everything else was still there: Several network shares, desktop widgets, explorer settings, all the applications with theirs settings, my two Outlook profiles with their on Exchange setups and so on.
Windows 7 itself also responds faster than with Vista. With the same auto-start applications I have more free RAM available and the OS itself looks much better.
So I can only recommend you to upgrade your Vista to Windows 7.
There is no need for a clean install, as long as your current Vista setup isn't anyhow broken.
After this Windows 7 experience I hope that the prejudice against Windows upgrades will be a thing of the past.
edit:
For the Windows 7 upgrade your Vista needs to have SP1 at least. I upgraded a Vista with SP2 and the latest Windows Update patches. The setup has to be started within Vista, otherwise it won't allow an upgrade. And you don't need to burn the Windows 7 DVD. You can mount it in Vista into a virtual drive or you can extract the ISO files to an folder. Before the first reboot the setup copies all the necessary installation files onto the local HDD. So after that the DVD isn't needed anymore.

LordDeath said:
Yesterday I made a full backup image of my Vista installation. Then I upgraded my HTC Shift to Windows 7 Enterprise RTM from MSDN.
The upgrade process took 3 hours, because it had to migrate 300.000 files and settings from one OS to the other. Before the setup I had 15GiB free on the HDD and after that 18GiB where free! So upgrading Vista to Windows 7 won't leave any old memory chunk on the HDD.
I only had to reinstall the Touchscreen Drivers. Everything else was still there: Several network shares, desktop widgets, explorer settings, all the applications with theirs settings, my two Outlook profiles with their on Exchange setups and so on.
Windows 7 itself also responds faster than with Vista. With the same auto-start applications I have more free RAM available and the OS itself looks much better.
So I can only recommend you to upgrade your Vista to Windows 7.
There is no need for a clean install, as long as your current Vista setup isn't anyhow broken.
After this Windows 7 experience I hope that the prejudice against Windows upgrades will be a thing of the past.
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For the Windows 7 upgrade your Vista needs to have SP1 at least. I upgraded a Vista with SP2 and the latest Windows Update patches. The setup has to be started within Vista, otherwise it won't allow an upgrade. And you don't need to burn the Windows 7 DVD. You can mount it in Vista into a virtual drive or you can extract the ISO files to an folder. Before the first reboot the setup copies all the necessary installation files onto the local HDD. So after that the DVD isn't needed anymore.
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Well i followed these steps - and when windows 7 boots the touch screen did not work as stated - so i downloaded the drivers from the HTC shift page, installed them. Although they did not error - they also did not work - seems to install properly but still not touch screen.
Also when I put the screen to 1024x600 the device bluescreened as it did in the pre-release versions..
Has anyone got Win 7 working (MSDN Release) and all hardware working; if so please share your steps.
Thanks
Kris

baucis99 said:
econd, which version of Win 7 should I get? Home, Professional, RC?
And where do I get it?
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MS have stopped distributing the RC now, but they will still provide product keys for it until Oct'09 (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/download.aspx).
You can get the full RTM version of Win7 if you have an MSDN or Technet subscription, but otherwise you'll have to search the usual sources for a copy of the RC iso (not promoting warez here!).
Regards,
Dave

i00 said:
Well i followed these steps - and when windows 7 boots the touch screen did not work as stated - so i downloaded the drivers from the HTC shift page, installed them. Although they did not error - they also did not work - seems to install properly but still not touch screen.
Also when I put the screen to 1024x600 the device bluescreened as it did in the pre-release versions..
Has anyone got Win 7 working (MSDN Release) and all hardware working; if so please share your steps.
Thanks
Kris
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Hello,
please try to uninstall the the VistaECDrvV1[1].0.1.10 driver first, then reboot, install it again and reboot again. Afaik I did this to activate the touchscreen driver.
Good luck!
And about 1024x600: That is a known problem. The Intel driver creates a BSOD as soon as you use a resolution higher than 800x480. The current workaround is to disable the Aero effects. With Aero Basic you can switch to higher resolutions without crashing the system.
I hope this will be fixed soon.

LordDeath said:
Hello,
please try to uninstall the the VistaECDrvV1[1].0.1.10 driver first, then reboot, install it again and reboot again. Afaik I did this to activate the touchscreen driver.
Good luck!
And about 1024x600: That is a known problem. The Intel driver creates a BSOD as soon as you use a resolution higher than 800x480. The current workaround is to disable the Aero effects. With Aero Basic you can switch to higher resolutions without crashing the system.
I hope this will be fixed soon.
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Ahh ok I didn't uninstall the previous driver 1st just tried to install over it. And I got the impression from #5 that the aero thing would work now - looks like ill be sticking with vista then thanks neway.
Kris

HTC shift (clio 160)
I had to format my htc shift (CLIO 160) and reinstall a new vista ultimate.
But since i done this, wifi and touchscreen doesnt work anymore.
I went on HTC website and downloaded the drivers for MARVELL SD8686 WIRELESS LAN SDIO ADAPTER and driver for touchscreen but it still not working.
Could you please help me.
Thank you