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.NET Framework not cooked into ROM ?

Hi guys,
I installed the tofclock WM6 ROM which should have included the .NET CF2.
But when installing and running NET applications I always get the error message which advises me to install "netcf.core.ppc3.ARM.cab" .. isn't that the NET CF ?
So long
HonkBB

I've been installing and running several programs that depend on .NET CF2 with no problems from the first day the first WM6 Hima ROM came out. Today I suddenly ran into problems with THREE different programs.
Two out of these three are now working after extracting a .netcfsetup.msi , copying the NETCFv2.wm.armv4i.cab, netcfrtl.dll, netcflaunch.exe to storage card, running the cab and soft reset. If you already installed netcfsetup.msi, these files are on your desktop computer in the program files\microsoft.net folder.
I can't imagine that it has anything to do with the date of today so the only reasonable explanation I have of 4 similar occurrences on 1 day (yours plus my 3) is that there is "something" around that messes up .NET. I doubt if it could be malware. That leaves as other candidates a cab that overwrites any of the .net files or settings, or an uninstall that removes more than it's supposed to do.
It is possible that we're both victim of the same culprit, it's just as possible that there are several potential culprits around.
BTW the file you mention is a .NET v1 cab... Perhaps older programs need it even when v2 is installed?
I'm planning to cook my own ROM soon (my first one, exciting) so I intend to dive into this matter a bit deeper.
Any suggestions from .NET scholars?

Programs in ROM - vs. installing CAB's

I hope this is not too noob'ish a question:
What is the advantage of
1. installing (most of) your programs in a ROM,
vs.
2 having a rather clean/small ROM, and installing (a lot of) CABS afterwards?
I know 1. is a bit easier.
But is there any difference in performance?

I would say that you can't install anything into the ROM
That's why they use the ROM to fill it with the "cookers" special needs

The Advantage of Rom Installed Software:
You don't have to manually install it after a Hard Reset of Flash. Enough said on that, it saves you some time.
The Disadvantages of Rom Installed Software:
Uses Rom Memory for the original copy of files and Storage memory for anything that must be moved as part of initial setup. So anything that can't simply stay in Windows folder is duplicated elsewhere. For example if you prefer to have your programs in folders under the Program Files Folder then a program that uses 1mb will use 1mb of Rom memory and then when it is copied (remember you can't really delete Rom Files) it will use 1mb of Storage Memory also for a total of 2mb of used memory.
Can't uninstall original version when an upgraded version is avaliable. Sure the Rom file can be marked as deleted so they aren't listed in File Explorer anymore but they are rom files so you don't free-up any space.
More files in your Windows Folder. While the affect this has on our devices isn't 100% clear we do know that it slows opening the windows folder and I believe that it does cause a general slowdown in the device's overall functioning. This is why I prefer to have programs installed to their own folders.
The Advantages of Manually Installed Software:
Saves Rom Memory which increases Storage Memory. Basically since you have everything in Storage Memory you aren't paying extra for anything as nothing took any Rom Memory.
Can uninstall original version when an upgraded version is avaliable. Yes, since everything was installed into Storage Memory you can actually deleted the files to upgrade thus saving Memory.
Fewer files in your Windows Folder. While the affect this has on our devices isn't 100% clear we do know that it speeds-up opening the windows folder and I believe that it does affect the device's overall functioning. This is why I prefer to have programs installed to their own folders.
The Disadvantage of Manually Installed Software:
You have to manually install it after a Hard Reset of Flash. Enough said on that, it costs you some time. UC Compliant Roms can overcome this.

Well, as some cooks report: there seems to be an extra advantage of installing into ROM: everything seems to work a little smoother and faster. Don't know how or why exactly but has to do something with the after-installing process which makes the device less stabile.
Experiments have shown that of you take a full ROM vs. a lite ROM with the extra's from the full ROM installed afterwards, the full ROM is faster and more stabile.
Kyphur: I believe the second red and green titles are wrong? (I believe yoe mean Cab Installed Software?)

One of the reason that loading windows up with files slows everything down is because the are all paged & cached, depending on the settings. Once the device catches up, it's not as noticable.
Storage card Files cannot be paged like the cooked in files. That's why some programs will add .exe & .dll resources to \windows even though themajority of the files are indeed installed to the SD card.

GSLEON3 said:
Storage card Files cannot be paged like the cooked in files. That's why some programs will add .exe & .dll resources to \windows even though themajority of the files are indeed installed to the SD card.
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I don't install to my storage card anymore. Why would I do that when I start out with over 160mb of free Storage memory?

kyphur said:
I don't install to my storage card anymore. Why would I do that when I start out with over 160mb of free Storage memory?
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No, I don't either. But also with installing on the device there seems to be some (speed)difference in ROM installing and CAB-installing.

I'm with Kyphur on this one. The less I have in the ROM, the better because software is constantly changing, being upgraded, etc. Also, I find a lot of times my needs vary and I don't require so much "stuff" on my ROMs, so w/ the XDA-Live approach, I have the freedom to only install what I need. I guess it's a matter of preference really. Sure there are technical differences, both they are overcome either way, so it just comes down to what you like better.

pietrucci said:
Experiments have shown that of you take a full ROM vs. a lite ROM with the extra's from the full ROM installed afterwards, the full ROM is faster and more stabile.
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Ok ... thanks!
- Do you by any chance have a link to such a benchmark?
- Does that also go for ROMs you cook yourself (with Alex' Kitchen)?

How to actually mark as deleted files in ROM?
Hello, this is an interesting thread, and I also hope you guys know more on this, since you're explaining the concept (and I also searched for a solution, but sorry, didn't find, I might have not used the proper keywords for searching):
kyphur said:
Sure the Rom file can be marked as deleted so they aren't listed in File Explorer anymore but they are rom files so you don't free-up any space.
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So I flashed Dutty's Official WM6.1 5.2.19716 UC RTM (but which ROM it is, doesn't really matter) as my question is related to "deleting" (or at least marking as deleted) ROM files. My problem is, I want to delete \Windows\Long Send.lnk because I don't like the Comm Manager show up when holding the green Send key during a call, while I'm expecting the phone to go into speakerphone mode like used from many other phones (even my Sagem cordless at home behaves this way). The folks in this ROM's thread suggested to delete that shortcut file (which is what I think they know right if they hadn't omitted the fact that the file is in ROM), but none of the in ROM or read-only attributes can be changed with Total Commander, so I can't "delete" it. Now I understand it's supposed to be just marked as deleted as it is "in ROM", so it is supposed to survive a hard reset, but how can I mark it deleted for the time being (next ROM upgrade for example, or hard-reset)?.

pedefede said:
Ok ... thanks!
- Do you by any chance have a link to such a benchmark?
- Does that also go for ROMs you cook yourself (with Alex' Kitchen)?
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No I don't have a benchmark of this. But then again: the current benchmarks (SPB and VS Benchmark) aren't that reliable.
I remember one cook from the Hermes device (maybe it was Pandora) made a ultra-lite version with an option to autorun everything afterwards with cabs.
This ROM wasn't as fast and snappy as the original full ROM. I think he quitted developing the ROM further.
Don't know if it's always true that everything's worse installing with cabs, it was just something a remembered from the past.
(by the way: I also install a lot from cabs...)

ChaOConnor said:
I'm with Kyphur on this one. The less I have in the ROM, the better because software is constantly changing, being upgraded, etc. Also, I find a lot of times my needs vary and I don't require so much "stuff" on my ROMs, so w/ the XDA-Live approach, I have the freedom to only install what I need. I guess it's a matter of preference really. Sure there are technical differences, both they are overcome either way, so it just comes down to what you like better.
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the ROMs change too, and not slower than the softwares

calvinzhang said:
the ROMs change too, and not slower than the softwares
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But flashing every week a new ROM is not for everyone. The possibility to flash once in a while is cool and good enough for lots of people, but doesn't have to become the main occupation

Zoolooc said:
But flashing every week a new ROM is not for everyone. The possibility to flash once in a while is cool and good enough for lots of people, but doesn't have to become the main occupation
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That's what "UC" is for! Auto Install all of your apps. Just remember to keep the cab files updated.

For me, one of the biggest advantage of full rom is I save a lot of time in doing backup since the files in the rom already.
Another advantage of full rom is they don't need to store any files under \Windows\AppMgr since they can't be uninstall anyway.
To overcome the bad effects of full rom. I tend to consider the following when putting programs in my full rom.
1. File can be run under \Windows
2. Programs that don't change that often, or doesn't need the latest version.

In need of help

I have just got a 8925 but i want to add some roms to it: ultimate launch, pocket cm, ifonz, & iphone interface. I am not sure of the best way to do this. Should they be added all at the same time, or do i have to add them one by one? Also i am not sure how to unlock the phone so that I can add these apps to the device. I have searched the forums and I haven't found a tutorial for this.
Any ideas?

If you want to be really sure you won't get any problems, soft reset after every installation. This IS overkill, since apps that need a soft reset will ask for one, but it won't hurt you.
Install Kaisertweak first:
http://www.jongma.org/KaiserTweak/KaiserTweak.zip
Extract the zip to your phone and run the extracted .exe from your phone. One of the options found under "Security": "Not-certified Warning". Disable the warning and exit the program (hope you meant this by 'unlocking'). The nag you used to get will be gone.
Good luck!

I think you may mean you want to add some applications and not ROMs? You don't need to unlock your phoine to install applications on them. If you want to flash a different ROM, then you will have to use HardSPL and flash the ROM
Here's pocket CM:
http://www.pocketcm.com/contact.php
Ultimate Launcher:
http://www.ultimatelaunch.de/
As for the Iphone interface, there are plenty of icons floating around, and on the the 'post your today screen' thread on the Kaiser general section, there are massess of info from users on how to achieve an Iphone look to their Kaiser and has links to Iphone Icons
HTC Home customiser is the simplest programme I know where you can input iphone icons and themes to your phone
http://www.pocketemu.com/download4.html

Do i need to hardspl my device to add rom's or can i just softspl?

I suspect you haven't quite understood some basics.
ROM = like Windows. There are 'shipped' ROMs (factory/default/shipped ROMs) and custom ROMs (Dutty/Alex/.../homemade ROMs). You always have 1 ROM 'installed' on your device; otherwise your device wouldn't function (just like a PC without Windows)
CAB = applications. Ultimate Launch, PocketCM, iFonz, & iPhone interface are apps. On PC you need to execute an .exe file (mostly setup.exe) to install an applications. PocketPC's don't work with .exe installers, they work with .cab installers.
Given your posts, I think you only want to install some applications. That means installing .cab files. No need for any ****SPL here.
If you really are already thinking of replacing your shipped ROM, than you WILL NEED HardSPL. But given your explanation I don't think you were planning on doing that.
Hope this clears some things up.
Good luck and welcome...

Can you have more than one rom on a device and just switch back and forth whenever you want to use one or the other?

student174 said:
Can you have more than one rom on a device and just switch back and forth whenever you want to use one or the other?
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Nope and why do you want to switch ROMs?

Dr. Strangelove said:
I suspect you haven't quite understood some basics.
ROM = like Windows. There are 'shipped' ROMs (factory/default/shipped ROMs) and custom ROMs (Dutty/Alex/.../homemade ROMs). You always have 1 ROM 'installed' on your device; otherwise your device wouldn't function (just like a PC without Windows)
CAB = applications. Ultimate Launch, PocketCM, iFonz, & iPhone interface are apps. On PC you need to execute an .exe file (mostly setup.exe) to install an applications. PocketPC's don't work with .exe installers, they work with .cab installers.
Given your posts, I think you only want to install some applications. That means installing .cab files. No need for any ****SPL here.
If you really are already thinking of replacing your shipped ROM, than you WILL NEED HardSPL. But given your explanation I don't think you were planning on doing that.
Hope this clears some things up.
Good luck and welcome...
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Thats a good straight to the point summary

Lite rom question / help

I am very fussy with my toys, and like to have what i need / use and not everything else that others have loaded, this is nice, but i dont end up using the programmes, so they annoy me as take up space
If i install a lite rom, with no prgrammes but a recent version, i take it i can then load the programmes i use / want and basically build my own device?
or is it easier to downloaded a kitchen and the programmes and make my own rom? i have currently got duttys 1.7, seemed to get high reviews, and looks good, but for me it doesnt feel right, some icons are not crisp, and i wont use, so thats annoying me.
then i have folders for apps and media etc, i loaded my programmes onto the mem card and after installing the new rom the proggies were still on the mem card (didnt know if would get wiped) so i copied the shortcuts to the programmes folder, but i cant copy to the indivual folders that they belong in.
where do i get the official programmes from if i want to build my own rom? like or the important / required stuff? or is that all included and the kitchen helps with adding extras?

its far easier to install a lite rom and then start adding your own applications. which, by the way, cannot be done by simply adding the shortcuts from the microSD to the Program Files directory. you need to have the .cab file for every program you want to install.
if you want to cook your own rom, you need to read about cooking and kitchen essentials. basically, you may find in there most programs you may want to include in your rom. also, there is a description on how to add other programs of your liking to the kitchen. there used to be a kitchen guide very good detailed around here, but cant seem to find it anymore.

i only added the shortcuts as i had originally installed my applications on to the storage card, so i guess all the nessassary files were there, and i was able to add a shortcut to the programmes folder for access from the start menu.
i think i`ll go with a light rom, and install programmes i want / need.
if that doesnt work, then i can try making one myself.
i am worried i will forget to install something important, will a lite rom include everything needed for the phone to work as it should? (all the touch functions, and camera, album, texts, signal, be able to play media files when install programmes for it etc)?

[Q] Please advise. Cannot install NETCF v35..

I have the Manila Maxsense 2.5 UI on my tp2. I just updated it to the latest sense 2.5 for September 4. I cannot get the net compact frame v35 to install after I install sense 2.5. It is telling me:
'A later version of the .NET Compact Framework is already installed. If you want to install this version, first remove the existing version.'
Can someone tell me how to do this. It is not in the remove programs in settings folder. I had my sense 2.5 up and working along with the android project software on the sd card. I decided it might be a good idea to save all my settings to restore phone, program, icon etc., then hard reset the phone. Along with this I reformatted my sd card (8gb) with fat 32. Then placed the phone settings restore files back onto th sd card. Now I can't install the dual boot with the android software.
Any idea?
Thanks in advance to whomever can help.
I have searched this forum up and down, along with google for a day and a half for a solution to this problem.
Thanks,
Paul H

What ROM?
Is there any reason to believe that the latest version of .NETCF is not already installed?

chevy383surfing said:
'A later version of the .NET Compact Framework is already installed. If you want to install this version, first remove the existing version.'
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it should also ask you "do you want to uninstall current version of net compact"
(usually it does) press yes and you are good to go.

(I need to install the: (NETCFv35.wm.armv4i)....
(Energy.RHODIUM.24631.Sense2.5.MaxSense.Sep.04) - ROM.
This is what I want to figure out. If the ROM already has it.
When I try to install it, I get that message"
('A later version of the .NET Compact Framework is already installed. If you want to install this version, first remove the existing version.')
I understand that when you install a regular application for the TP2, it will ask you if you want to uninstall it before it installs the new app. Then it simply installs.
This doesn't give me that choice. It is basically telling me to uninstall something that isn't there; at least on my SD card. I save all cab files to a folder on the SD card. Only applications that are ROM critical are installed in the phones main memory. Now, when I try to open the file: (GenY-DualBOOT-v1.0.6.0-CAB) to attempt to boot up: (ProjectAndroid2.2BLAZN.083010), the Dual Boot file will not install. It says that I need to install the: (NETCFv35.wm.armv4i) file. I can't find another copy of a compact framework file anywhere to uninstall. I had this same, new Sept. 4 ROM installed yesterday along with android and they worked pretty awesome together, in my opinion. Maybe I should just post this in the android forum. I just don't want to piss people off by posting something that has already been posted, and in which I searched XDA website and can't find any solutions.
Once I get this up and going I am going to start making donations for the ROM makers and android project!
Oh, and I do understand the android is not a full ROM. I just want to get them to load up fine.
Thanks for anyone's help!
Paul H

Pretty sure the Energy ROMs have the latest version cooked in.

redpoint73 said:
Pretty sure the Energy ROMs have the latest version cooked in.
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Yea, that is what I'm pretty sure of. But why will the dual boot not install? I do think it is burned into the ROM also. That's why I am puzzled.

you already have the latest version of netframework cooked in your rom.
you can always install a small program called netcfg to make sure which version of net cf you are using.
http://www.4shared.com/file/69575131/8ad67ad2/netcfcfg.html

Hay 'the show stopper', that helped a lot! This was a utility was the foremost resolution to the conflicts I was/am having! I finally got the android back up and running, and so far I have been able to run android just fine. I am going to keep on researching the the xandroid software as it is being updated!
Thanks,
Paul