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Hi!
Please help me.
I updated my Touch Pro to Windows Mobile 6.5.
I love it, but the new start menu is not the real thing.
How can I downgrade or something else to the old Windows Mobile 6.1 start menu?
It is possible?
Thanks for the help.
use QuickMenu 2.8, it will break the 6.5 start menu and you'll have the old style menu plus. But you'll have to hard reset to get the 6.5 menu back.
noellenchris said:
use QuickMenu 2.8, it will break the 6.5 start menu and you'll have the old style menu plus. But you'll have to hard reset to get the 6.5 menu back.
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Thanks man!
The titanium today plugin released for windows mobile 6.1?
Its possible to install?
noellenchris said:
use QuickMenu 2.8, it will break the 6.5 start menu and you'll have the old style menu plus. But you'll have to hard reset to get the 6.5 menu back.
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I'v actually been able to run both.
The trick is...on QuickMenu, do NOT check the "Replace System Menu".
Then use AEButton Plus to Launch QuickMenu.
You can still use the honeycomb by pressing the Title Bar.
It really is the best of both worlds.
I have installed QM on WM6.5 but I do not have a listing of recently used, neither is there an option for adding frequently used menu items. Is there a way to use the normal start menu on WM6.5?
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use QuickMenu 2.8, it will break the 6.5 start menu and you'll have the old style menu plus. But you'll have to hard reset to get the 6.5 menu back.
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hmm didnt work for me
when i hit the start button in the title bar sometimes i get quick menu and other times i get the 6.5 menu.
josefcrist said:
hmm didnt work for me
when i hit the start button in the title bar sometimes i get quick menu and other times i get the 6.5 menu.
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Depending on your settings, and if I remember right, if you tap and hold, the windows default menu used to come up. If tap the quickmenu should come up.
It may not break the 6.5 start menu anymore...a lot has changed on the newer builds since I last reported about Quickmenu.
But check those settings for quickmenu and look for the setting for the tap for default menu or something like that...good luck
thanks
thanks for the info. and nice sig some times i feel the same way. i think i need a new hobby.
mobilelew said:
I have installed QM on WM6.5 but I do not have a listing of recently used, neither is there an option for adding frequently used menu items. Is there a way to use the normal start menu on WM6.5?
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Try putting a folder called 'Recent' in your windows folder. It might work (kind of a long-shot). You'll also need this reg entry (I think, lol):
HKLM\Explorer\Shell Folders\Recent, with Recent = \Windows\Recent
take a look at this thread, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534630.
There is a qmenu cab posted by me that allow you to keep both menus. If you press in the windows logo you get Qmenu, if you press the word "start" (or any other program name in his place), you will get the honeycomb menu.
Wisbar Advance!! It doesn't break anything when it's uninstalled and adds so many extra good features.
I recently bought TD2, and is by no means a big fan of the new startmenu. How is it possible to replace it with the "old" one ?
I've been searching the forum, since I've heard of a little program that can fix this issue, but without luck .
Thanks in advance !
The new start menu comes as part of Touch Flo 3D.....If you distable TF3D in settings\personal\today\items, you get the old menu system.
I'm amazed that anyone would prefer the old WM one.
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I'm amazed that anyone would prefer the old WM one.
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There are two great lacks in the new menu :
1. too few items available in the 'icons' start page, and no kind of sub-folders or program groups.
then
2. if you go in the full list because your program is not in the icons page, the list can be long and fastidious.
Hope it will be corrected in next version and be available for D2, or windows 6.5 titanium/CHome will replace TF3D
Try TF3D2 Tweak in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502102
Thank you all, for your replies .
If you just want to change the start menu but leave Manila turned on, just change the following in the registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\EnlargeMenu\Enable ManilaStartMenu =dword:00000000
After a restart you have the old start menu
Is it possiple too keep both ways?
I mean when you press the start menu on the top of the screen to have the old start menu and when you press the windows hard key to have the new one?
I think this would be more usefull for many people who like the new menu but want some features of the old one!
kitarolivier said:
There are two great lacks in the new menu :
1. too few items available in the 'icons' start page, and no kind of sub-folders or program groups.
2. if you go in the full list because your program is not in the icons page, the list can be long and fastidious.
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Ah right, I see. I've not hit that issue, I guess I just don't use that many programs!
One question: how can I enable the old style like in WM 6.1.
I use 6.5 without Manilla (UDK R1.)
It's annoying to select start/settings/connections if you want to set more the 1 thing...bluetooth, WIFI etc....also for programs.
Or how can I customize the start menu in 6.5 ...order, content...
another way
This would keep the new start menu when you tap on "start" and make pop-up a replica similar whith the old one when you tap on windows or whatever icon you have on the upper left corner of the screen near the text "start". I didn't make this just downloaded from somewhere.
cliviu said:
This would keep the new start menu when you tap on "start" and make pop-up a replica similar whith the old one when you tap on windows or whatever icon you have on the upper left corner of the screen near the text "start". I didn't make this just downloaded from somewhere.
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Doesn't seem to work on my Diamond2. (Does nothing)
I was wondering if someone could do a buttom like the settings buttom in the new start menu that could open the old programs menu.
I think this shouldn't be so difficult, since there is a similar buttom for the settings.
Welcome here Liviu. (Bine ai venit pe aici, marfa site-u pt HTC-uri)
I try it Quick Menu, it's like Windows PC START menu and it's hard to use with a finger
I speak about the old menu from WM6.1 not Pc windows...
Ksara it's works on TD2 I try it and work well but it's not what I want.
You are right Pauln, it's not finger friendly but hei! that stylus is there so ...
Anyway for me it does the job so here is a pic for those who want an alternative. The icon "Quick menu" you will find also in Programs.
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I'm one of them. I disabled touchflo and installed spb pocket plus: I've got everything in sight, with no need to flip over strange desktops and icons!
I found these registry entries somewhere else and i thing these are the key to make a shortcut in manila programs folder to the old Programs folder Just like there is for the settings folder (number 3)
"Remove the locked program tab items
Code:
HKLM/Software/HTC/Manila/ProgramLauncher/0/IsReadOnly
HKLM/Software/HTC/Manila/ProgramLauncher/1/IsReadOnly
HKLM/Software/HTC/Manila/ProgramLauncher/2/IsReadOnly
HKLM/Software/HTC/Manila/ProgramLauncher/3/IsReadOnly
Change this value from 1 to a 0 and you can then edit their shortcuts."
Please someone who is familiar with this , create a shortcut.
gogan said:
I'm one of them. I disabled touchflo and installed spb pocket plus: I've got everything in sight, with no need to flip over strange desktops and icons!
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But what is the way to do it, because I don't want to install some software that almost does the same. I want it the old way.
Please help.
Hi guys!
appart of the known bugs of the still immature os wm6.5, after flashing several roms i still have some annoying things, that probably can be easily solved with some registry tweaks
sadly, i don't know which registry to change, so i am asking for your help:
1. pressing the start menu (left upper corner) the icons from the menu are totaly unsorted. i have a lot of things installed, so i want them sorted, let say, alphabeticaly. is it possible?
2. same start menu - can the dimenssions of the icons be changed? some people may want them smaller and some people may want them bigger.
3. settings menu - if you make a setting modification (through all settings menu), after confirmation you are sent to manila settigs. i want to remain within the all settings menu rather then manila. is it possible?
4. within the mail tab, is it possible to make inbox to be default option when you go to email tab?
thank you!
regards
noris08 said:
Hi guys!
appart of the known bugs of the still immature os wm6.5, after flashing several roms i still have some annoying things, that probably can be easily solved with some registry tweaks
sadly, i don't know which registry to change, so i am asking for your help:
1. pressing the start menu (left upper corner) the icons from the menu are totaly unsorted. i have a lot of things installed, so i want them sorted, let say, alphabeticaly. is it possible?
2. same start menu - can the dimenssions of the icons be changed? some people may want them smaller and some people may want them bigger.
3. settings menu - if you make a setting modification (through all settings menu), after confirmation you are sent to manila settigs. i want to remain within the all settings menu rather then manila. is it possible?
4. within the mail tab, is it possible to make inbox to be default option when you go to email tab?
thank you!
regards
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1 and 2 : look to mine signature (Using the built in File Explorer go to Windows\Start Menu\Programs)
3: its not possible whit the new wm builds In manila settings press more
4 i dont know
noris08 said:
Hi guys!
appart of the known bugs of the still immature os wm6.5, after flashing several roms i still have some annoying things, that probably can be easily solved with some registry tweaks
sadly, i don't know which registry to change, so i am asking for your help:
1. pressing the start menu (left upper corner) the icons from the menu are totaly unsorted. i have a lot of things installed, so i want them sorted, let say, alphabeticaly. is it possible?
2. same start menu - can the dimenssions of the icons be changed? some people may want them smaller and some people may want them bigger.
3. settings menu - if you make a setting modification (through all settings menu), after confirmation you are sent to manila settigs. i want to remain within the all settings menu rather then manila. is it possible?
4. within the mail tab, is it possible to make inbox to be default option when you go to email tab?
thank you!
regards
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For the start menu icons (1), you can sort them into folders (normally provided on the roms with nice icons), if you go into file explorer you can cut and paste shortcuts into the different folders as you want
rambo12345 said:
1 and 2 : look to mine signature (Using the built in File Explorer go to Windows\Start Menu\Programs)
3: its not possible whit the new wm builds In manila settings press more
4 i dont know
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i am sorry, but in your signature i can see menu with 4 or 5 columns. i just want the default 3 columns menu, but to be able to change icons dimensions
roheelshah said:
For the start menu icons (1), you can sort them into folders (normally provided on the roms with nice icons), if you go into file explorer you can cut and paste shortcuts into the different folders as you want
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i know that, but i want to keep actual structure, just sorted alphabeticaly
thank you anyway
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i am sorry, but in your signature i can see menu with 4 or 5 columns. i just want the default 3 columns menu, but to be able to change icons dimensions
than you have to modify the xml file.
1- copy your StartMenu_GridScene_480x800 to your storage card
2- open it with XML notepad
3- open the submap under StartMenu GridScene find the 3rd image folder
4- change the width and height
5- save and replace it whit tcm
good luck
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noris08 said:
1. pressing the start menu (left upper corner) the icons from the menu are totaly unsorted. i have a lot of things installed, so i want them sorted, let say, alphabeticaly. is it possible?
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I know it differs, but in my version of 6.5 - I can press_and_hold the icon in the start menu, and then just move it to where ever I want it.
ZekeWolf said:
I know it differs, but in my version of 6.5 - I can press_and_hold the icon in the start menu, and then just move it to where ever I want it.
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nope, with rom version i use, when i do that i got just 1 option - "Move to top"
however, even if it would work as in your rom, it is still difficult to sort if you have many apps installed.
i am thinking about something simple - some option or registry tweak that allow to sort icons
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I know it differs, but in my version of 6.5 - I can press_and_hold the icon in the start menu, and then just move it to where ever I want it.
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O YAAAAAAAAA i just noticed this.....
rambo12345,
Is it possible to go back to the original layout rather than the honeycomb, with the 4 columns, as the honeycomb seems to achieve nothing except wasting screen space and making the icons more difficult to scan visually.
Thanks.
Snowboy said:
rambo12345,
Is it possible to go back to the original layout rather than the honeycomb, with the 4 columns, as the honeycomb seems to achieve nothing except wasting screen space and making the icons more difficult to scan visually.
Thanks.
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its possible
backup your own file StartMenu_GridScene_480x800
and try mine
good luck
rambo12345 said:
than you have to modify the xml file.
1- copy your StartMenu_GridScene_480x800 to your storage card
2- open it with XML notepad
3- open the submap under StartMenu GridScene find the 3rd image folder
4- change the width and height
5- save and replace it whit tcm
good luck
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it's more complicated than i imagined, but probably would do
still no ideeas for the other issues?
thank you!
rambo12345,
Isn't your start menu still in the honeycomb layout?
Thanks.
Is there any way to change the location of start menu button to bottom or, if that's not easy, is it possible to create a shortcut for the start menu in the favourite programs list? I'm on Dutty's HD WM6.5 Leo R7 WWE (Manila 2.5.19202525.0).
My digitizer is not functioning properly and the top part of the screen isn't responding to touch (so, the default start menu button location doesn't respond to touch). Is there any other way to access the HoneyComb / start menu contents?
Thanks in advance.
suhail said:
Is there any way to change the location of start menu button to bottom or, if that's not easy, is it possible to create a shortcut for the start menu in the favourite programs list? I'm on Dutty's HD WM6.5 Leo R7 WWE (Manila 2.5.19202525.0).
My digitizer is not functioning properly and the top part of the screen isn't responding to touch (so, the default start menu button location doesn't respond to touch). Is there any other way to access the HoneyComb / start menu contents?
Thanks in advance.
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I've just answered your post in the Themes section.
ClydeB1 said:
Flash a rom with a later build eg 23043 or later which has the Start buttons at the bottom. There are a few options eg nrg, miri, xannytech, maryone etc. Just make sure it is a 230xx and not 210xx based rom. (I know Dutty uses 23016, but that build still has the start at the top and that's why I say use a 23043 or later rom)
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WinStart V2.4
Features
Task manager (close/view background apps)
Icon's image and name can be changed
Icons can be moved
Background image can be easily changed
Text color of icon can be changed
Lock feature
Quick list of recent programs
Possibility to order icons by name and type
Icon's name can be hidden
What's new?
WinStart can be assigned to any key
Long press on top icons are now working
Square background image possibility
New animation
Possibility to disable the background image (for old devices, the speed gain is real)
Scrolling function rewrited (I hope you will tell me if it's better or worse!)
Various bugs fixed (folder with dots are correctly printed, quick links and background windows are now correctly handled, landscape correctly handled, no more gap between icons...)
Download explications
Please go to my website !
Cant open file
Sent from my X10i using XDA App
You're right, wrong cab...
I edited the first post, you should be able to test now !
Performance on Rhodium
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I am using the full version now, which shas an option to disable the original start menu, which saves alot of memory.
Performance is great on the Rhodium
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I wanted to try it on the Tilt 2, because it is a memory starved device.
There is no memory advantage to using this over the normal start menu.
It looks nice, and the recent program list is great.
But for the Rhhodium, memory is critical, so I will go back to using the Panel Stat menu cooked into Energy ROMs.
It would be nice if the free version would have had the graphic transitions when opening folders. It looked cool on the demo that was done on an HD2, but, other devices, such as my Tilt 2 or my Fuze, are slower.
I would want to see that performance before purchasing. If I could see that I would consider purchasing it for my Fuze.
But, as far as the memory usage. I can't use it with my Tilt 2. It consumes more memory than having the original start menu.
The full version can disable the original start menu, so you can spare approx 30 Mo in RAM.
The demo was done on an HD (older than Tilt2) and no problems. I think it will be smooth for both (Tilt2 and Fuze), but I'm not sure of that!
I can't create a demo version with graphic transitions, too much work...
As you are a "productive and contributing member", I can give you a serial... Send me a PM if you are interested!
petititi said:
The full version can disable the original start menu, so you can spare approx 30 Mo in RAM.
The demo was done on an HD (older than Tilt2) and no problems. I think it will be smooth for both (Tilt2 and Fuze), but I'm not sure of that!
I can't create a demo version with graphic transitions, too much work...
As you are a "productive and contributing member", I can give you a serial... Send me a PM if you are interested!
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Thanks.
While testing the full paid version, I am very impressed.
I have more memory available than before, when I was using the Panel Start menu available in Energy Roms.
This start menu is great.
Starts faster.
More responsive.
Better transitioning graphics.
Graphics are very smooth on my Tilt 2.
And the most recent program feature is really nice to have.
This is definitely worth the money.
Thanks for this feedback
WinStart with CHT Softkeys
First of all very nice!!
I purchased the full version at your referenced site.
I am having a problem. I use CHT 2.0 on my NRGZ28 ROM, and I use the CHT Softkeys. I cannot get WinStart to pull up the start menu using the "StartMenu" CHT softkey. If I disable the CHT softkeys, the the normal StartMenu icon works fine.
Within CHT SoftKeys, there are ways to set key assignments:
"Run path" which prompts me to enter an application to run. WinStart is not a listed application.
"Command Line" which prompts me to "enter command line parameters". I don't know what to do here?
Is there a way you can get this to work with the CHT SoftKeys?
I have CHT2.0 too, but I never used the SoftKeys...
I take a look and come back to tell you how do this.
WinStart with XDA_UC
Thank you...while waiting...I'll ask another question.
I flash ROM's a lot when new versions come out. I use XDA_UC to install my various apps that I use. WinStart will DEFINITELY be one.
My question: On a fresh install with a new ROM, is there a registry key or something that I should install along with the cab to get the initial "fresh-install" parameters - username/password information - automatically applied?
OK, so it's not as easy as I thought... I try something but it work only the first time... What I do :
In HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila
>Set CHT.Softkeys.KeyCustom1.Path to: \Program Files\winstart\winstart.exe (no quotes or anything else)
In CHT editor, set icon1 to custom1... But as said before this will work only the first time.
I work on this and in a few days (I hope 24h), I will post a new version.
For the second question, you will have to save these two values :
HKLM/Software/Manila_WinStart/licenceKey and HKLM/Software/Manila_WinStart/password.
You can also export the entire HKLM/Software/Manila_WinStart/ key to save your settings too... If this is not an option for you, tell me via PM, I will send you a patcher...
Winstart / Softkeys
petititi said:
OK, so it's not as easy as I thought... I try something but it work only the first time... What I do :
In HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila
>Set CHT.Softkeys.KeyCustom1.Path to: \Program Files\winstart\winstart.exe (no quotes or anything else)
In CHT editor, set icon1 to custom1... But as said before this will work only the first time.
I work on this and in a few days (I hope 24h), I will post a new version.
For the second question, you will have to save these two values :
HKLM/Software/Manila_WinStart/licenceKey and HKLM/Software/Manila_WinStart/password.
You can also export the entire HKLM/Software/Manila_WinStart/ key to save your settings too... If this is not an option for you, tell me via PM, I will send you a patcher...
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Hello - I appear to have the same issue as WMG316. After installation and reboot. I can go to \Program Files\WinStart\ and run ConfigWinstart.exe. I select DEBUG, Stop Service, and then Start Service, Back, Save. At this point the Hard and Softkeys work properly until the next reboot. I have not put any WinStart in my Startup folder.
I hope this helps get closer to a long-term solution. I really like this app and it is still worth the money.
petititi said:
OK, so it's not as easy as I thought... I try something but it work only the first time... What I do :
In HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila
>Set CHT.Softkeys.KeyCustom1.Path to: \Program Files\winstart\winstart.exe (no quotes or anything else)
In CHT editor, set icon1 to custom1... But as said before this will work only the first time.
I work on this and in a few days (I hope 24h), I will post a new version.
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Thanks...I had tried that and came to same conclusion...only works on the first try!
Hopefully you'll get that worked out so CHT SoftKeys can be used!!
I look forward to the update.
How to Backup "Renamed Icons"
Another question. I have renamed a few of the icons in the start menu. I cannot locate where these changes are saved. Is there a way to backup these settings for subsequent ROM flashes?
wmg316, you can export registry key HKLM-Security-Shell-Startinfo-Start , which contains data about all links: their position, icon, name & visibility..
Start Menu Hardware Key on Rhodium
Maybe a bug?
Since disabling the CHT SoftKeys I have had no problem initiating the Start Menu with the default soft key. I am still in hopes that you will fix that issue though!
My problem...when I try to use the hardware key start menu on the Tilt 2 (Rhodium) it does not work.
I can get it to work by following these steps:
Use Start Menu soft key to go to Start Menu
Select Menu, Options
At this point the option to "Hook the windows hardware key" is checked...I uncheck this...then check it again and select save
After this process, the hardware key works.
After a soft reset, the hardware key does not work and I have to go through the aforementioned steps to get it to work again.
Yes,I think this problem is the same as CHT softkey (they emulate an hardware keydown).
So I think in a few hours these two bugs will be corrected !
The problem is now solved...
I work on an option to save/restore the settings so I will change the version number of first post when finished.
For now you can install the attached file which correct the bug but don't include the option to save/restore settings...
petititi said:
The problem is now solved...
I work on an option to save/restore the settings so I will change the version number of first post when finished.
For now you can install the attached file which correct the bug but don't include the option to save/restore settings...
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Confirmed to work:
I uninstalled v2.1 and soft reset
I installed v2.2
Turned on CHT Softkeys
Tested CHT Softkey start menu - worked
Tested hardware key start menu - worked
Soft reset
Tested CHT Softkey and hardware start menus again - worked
Thank you!!
You guys work fast! The issue with the hardware and CHT Softbar starting was my only real issue with this. I bought the paid version and love it. Thank you.
The only other minor cosmetic thing I have noticed is that when you first open the program, it leaves some odd artifacts on the screen as you run it the first time. For example, after a soft reset, the first time I open the menu, I can't see my task bar on top, I see a part of my CHT hometab. Once I close it, it works great for all other openings.
Also, when you click on a program, the animation works fines to zoom the icon at me, but once it is done, the screen briefly jumps back to the start menu background showing me just the icon I clicked on until the program actually opens.
Like I said, purely cosmetic, but I figured I would mention them. Again, thanks a ton for the program, it is by far and away the best start menu I have tried. Light years ahead of even the default WM one.