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Regarding to miri's WM6.5 & Dutty's WM6.1

I've tried both and got a question :
Why the interface of miri's WM6.5 is worse than Dutty's ? Isn't WM6.5 more latest than WM6.1 ?
Could anyone please make it clear here ? Thanks in advance !

abc138 said:
I've tried both and got a question :
Why the interface of miri's WM6.5 is worse than Dutty's ? Isn't WM6.5 more latest than WM6.1 ?
Could anyone please make it clear here ? Thanks in advance !
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Which interface are you talking about?
I do prefer WinMo 6.5 interface over 6.1.
There are two main changes (visual wisse) on WinMo 6.5 which is the main screen where you have Titanium and the start menu.
On WinMo 6.5 things tend to be more finger friendly than in WinMo 6.1.
As I said before, I do prefer how things are going from 6.1 to 6.5.....

Duttys uses HTC components and they've made an effort to make everything more finger friendly. They've been at it a while, we're currently @ version 3. A good effort i must say Manilla especially the newer versions w/ the new start menu are truly a pleasure to use and have made a considerable difference to the overall experience of the Touch HD.
It's biggest flaw i feel personally is that HTC didn't think to make Manilla customizable at even the basic level of allowing backgrounds on all the level 0 tabs.
Miri's wm 6.5 is straight from Microsoft, who are just now attempting to make the OS more finger friendly and though its newer it is sadly not as refined or cohesive. If we could get a 6.5 rom w/ the new manilla minus the new htc start menu, but with htc notifications & menus, htc dialer, htc calculator ( lets just say all the htc apps) we'd have a really refined looking rom.

wsouza said:
Which interface are you talking about?
I do prefer WinMo 6.5 interface over 6.1.
There are two main changes (visual wisse) on WinMo 6.5 which is the main screen where you have Titanium and the start menu.
On WinMo 6.5 things tend to be more finger friendly than in WinMo 6.1.
As I said before, I do prefer how things are going from 6.1 to 6.5.....
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Sorry for my English !
I mean the popup interface when a function button is touched. Dutty's is very smooth & clear, including fonts, and you can touchflo it, but WM6.5's is not...

DRTigerlilly said:
Duttys uses HTC components and they've made an effort to make everything more finger friendly. a good effort i must say Manilla especially the newer versions w/ the new start menu are truly a pleasure to use and have made a considerable difference to the overall experience of the Touch HD.
It's biggest flaw i feel personally is that HTC didn't think to make Manilla customizable at even the basic level of allowing backgrounds on all the level 0 tabs.
Miri's wm 6.5 is straight from Microsoft and though its newer it is sadly not as refined. If we could get a 6.5 rom w/ the new manilla minus the new start menu, htc notifications & menus, htc dialer, htc calculator ( lets just say all the htc apps) we'd have a really refined looking rom.
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Thanks man, you got the point!

abc138 said:
I mean the popup interface when a function button is touched. Dutty's is very smooth & clear, including fonts, and you can touchflo it, but WM6.5's is not...
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Why is a modern VW Beetle slower then an old Porsche? Because they are different cars...

Main difference :
Duttys 6.1: Uses latest, finger friendly HTC Touch Flo software. HTC sell phones. So they (kind of) care about the customer experience.
6.5: By Microsoft. The Windows mobile team totally lost the plot a few years ago lost touch with modern smartphone interface design. 6.5 is a deperate stop-gap until they get 7 out. I think that's enough said, isn't it ?

I tested almost all ROM's from here and the one i found with not so many bugs is that from Laurentius26.
Miri's ROM it's nice but have many bugs , last version i try it's V4 Premium and as you see in his post have many bugs but it's faster (33-35%)
That from Laurentius26 it's not so fast (40-45%) but doesn't have so many bugs so untill miri will improve his version i'll stay and old wwe 6.1

I think this thread should be closed. You are comparing two different operating systems so they are not the same and to put them into a comparison is doing any thing good for either cook.
My 2cts worth

furrypotato said:
Main difference :
Duttys 6.1: Uses latest, finger friendly HTC Touch Flo software. HTC sell phones. So they (kind of) care about the customer experience.
6.5: By Microsoft. The Windows mobile team totally lost the plot a few years ago lost touch with modern smartphone interface design. 6.5 is a deperate stop-gap until they get 7 out. I think that's enough said, isn't it ?
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Thanks furrypotato, you've given me what I'd been looking for!

LuCkYaN said:
I tested almost all ROM's from here and the one i found with not so many bugs is that from Laurentius26.
Miri's ROM it's nice but have many bugs , last version i try it's V4 Premium and as you see in his post have many bugs but it's faster (33-35%)
That from Laurentius26 it's not so fast (40-45%) but doesn't have so many bugs so untill miri will improve his version i'll stay and old wwe 6.1
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Thanks for your valuable experience LuCkYaN, maybe I should try Laurentius26's, Dutty's still has ringtone problem...

And Laurentius26 still have bug on ringtone, you can not change ringtone.
p.s. somebody a little up said this thread should be closed in my oppinion have right and not
1. yes users should enter everyone rom thread and see what bug have and if he want will install if no should search another one
2. no because as i did i don't find a thread like this on this part of forum and start to flashing with all roms to see what's new what that have and don't and was good for me but for a new user who join and don't have time to flash all the time and want one good and stable rom to know where to go
On Miri's thread a guy said he want a rom simple without nothing that who came from HTC without bugs but isn't here something like that. In my oppinion if somebody have that ROM i want to post here because came a time when i'll be bored to flash all the time and i just want a rom who to be stable (as i allready said this is my oppinion without upset somebody all ROM's Dutty / Laurentius26 / Miri are good and i apreciate they'r effort )

LuCkYaN said:
And Laurentius26 still have bug on ringtone, you can not change ringtone.
p.s. somebody a little up said this thread should be closed in my oppinion have right and not
1. yes users should enter everyone rom thread and see what bug have and if he want will install if no should search another one
2. no because as i did i don't find a thread like this on this part of forum and start to flashing with all roms to see what's new what that have and don't and was good for me but for a new user who join and don't have time to flash all the time and want one good and stable rom to know where to go
On Miri's thread a guy said he want a rom simple without nothing that who came from HTC without bugs but isn't here something like that. In my oppinion if somebody have that ROM i want to post here because came a time when i'll be bored to flash all the time and i just want a rom who to be stable (as i allready said this is my oppinion without upset somebody all ROM's Dutty / Laurentius26 / Miri are good and i apreciate they'r effort )
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That's what I want to say too, thank you again, LuCkYaN!!!

DRTigerlilly said:
Duttys uses HTC components and they've made an effort to make everything more finger friendly. They've been at it a while, we're currently @ version 3. A good effort i must say Manilla especially the newer versions w/ the new start menu are truly a pleasure to use and have made a considerable difference to the overall experience of the Touch HD.
It's biggest flaw i feel personally is that HTC didn't think to make Manilla customizable at even the basic level of allowing backgrounds on all the level 0 tabs.
Miri's wm 6.5 is straight from Microsoft, who are just now attempting to make the OS more finger friendly and though its newer it is sadly not as refined or cohesive. If we could get a 6.5 rom w/ the new manilla minus the new htc start menu, but with htc notifications & menus, htc dialer, htc calculator ( lets just say all the htc apps) we'd have a really refined looking rom.
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DRTigerLilly, say's it here, quite right. We must remember also these are Beta's. Dutty has done a fantastic job, both have to test and make the best of Widows and HTC interfaces.
I think you are right to ask and we struggle on to make the perfect ROM
Well done people!

I tested both as well and while i LOVED the 6.5 interface there were still too many bugs. So i switched to Dutty 2.3 (Winmo 6.1) but the one thing i HATE there is the new start menu.. i mean the old drop down was the thing i was really used to...so please can any1 tell me how to get that back on without changing roms? and also the new camera app is and duttys installer for old camera isint working .... any fix for that?? PLZ help me out...i hate new menu

sephiroth_vg said:
PLZ help me out...i hate new menu
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Search in the forum, there are many solutions, many threads about it.

bobsbbq said:
I think this thread should be closed. You are comparing two different operating systems so they are not the same and to put them into a comparison is doing any thing good for either cook.
My 2cts worth
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I think its a good discussion about 2 operating systems.. u have to know the pros and cons of each and feed back form different users

abc138 said:
Thanks furrypotato, you've given me what I'd been looking for!
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well, unfortunately what he told you is just his opinion, and I think he is wrong. I think it's actually the other way around. TouchFlow was a sort of temporary fix by HTC to bring up a GUI that can compete with Iphone until MS has their own solution. With 6.5 it's not necessary anymore. The newer 6.5 versions such as Miri's V5 easily beat TouchFlo and whatever 6.1 has to offer. The new 6.5 GUI is not a "curtain" like TF, covering up something, but a genuine new interface. I don't even load the manila with TouchFlo anymore, the generic 6.5 GUI is clearly better.

furrypotato said:
Main difference :
Duttys 6.1: Uses latest, finger friendly HTC Touch Flo software. HTC sell phones. So they (kind of) care about the customer experience.
6.5: By Microsoft. The Windows mobile team totally lost the plot a few years ago lost touch with modern smartphone interface design. 6.5 is a deperate stop-gap until they get 7 out. I think that's enough said, isn't it ?
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I totally agree with you!

Please don't close this thread yet!
Perhaps the chef names should be removed as roms based on 6.1 with Manila v3 are only subtly different and the same goes for 6.5 roms (IN MY OPINION...)
It is interesting to compare experiences side by side.
I know it is quite shallow but although I like Titanium it doesn't have the same wow factor as v3 Manila does and on a day to day basis, I don't really need to go much deeper.
I also feel that 6.1 has so much support here that I can revive the wow factor with regularity.
6.5 will continue to be installed every couple of weeks though

wm 6.1 or wm 6.5

Hi
I have tried many different roms and are currently at dutty 2.6.
How far has wm6.5 rom come?
I wish to start a thread where we discuss what is best of 6.1 or 6.5

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=500523

you guys rock
The way you take no prisoners with people who might not have time to trawl through a couple of thousand posts before asking a genuine question. You guys really are as hard as nails... no scratch that, maybe youre inadequate teenagers struggling to find a meaning to life beyond a slightly disappointing smartphone?

Hi there,
Don't judge everyone by some people's attitude on here...
It is a tough question though, but it would be good to hear peoples views on whether they prefer wm 6.1 or wm 6.5 - and why
I'm just changing from Miri's 6.5 v 5.2 rom back to Dutty's 6.1 v2.6 EXTREME, purely for the simple fact that I love the customisation that Dutty has done to Manilla and the integration to facebook/contacts seems better on Dutty's rom than Miri's.
Don't get me wrong, both roms are constantly being developed and both roms have their advantages, but for me, Dutty's 6.1 v2.6 hits it (and 2.7 will be better!!!)
I'm sure there are more features to 6.5 and it is supposed to be better screen operations for finger rather than pen, but the only thing I really noticed is the new start menu, which is good, but not very customisable.
Been round 2-3 times with these 2 roms, but think I always end up going back to Dutty's.
Give them both a try though as it is each persons perspective on what they prefer from their HD.

I am not being hard and I don't mind helping, just look at some of my posts, but the problem is every couple of days someone asks: Is this rom better for me? Is X rom faster than Y rom? Can you recommend a rom for me?
Just do a search in this rom forum to see how many have been asking the same thing OVER and OVER, or better yet just look at the last few pages!!
The thing is we are all here for the same reason, we all want the fastest, greatest etc, but it is all subjective. The rom that is perfect for me is maybe not even close to good for you....
As for being a teenager, lol, I wish

tru and i feel all of u but the question is which rom do u prefer .... i havnt tried 6.5 but i would like to read reviews on the differences....and no opinons on wat u like for urself who cares wat u want this post is basic info on the differences between 6.1 and 6.5.

its funny cause u sr and jr members are here to help us newbies out and u dont... i had to teach myself how to mode my hd and how to change the roms now im teaching myself on how to mod and create my own rom.... i do wana thank u guys for creating these roms but u guys are here to help not talk slick but please everyone google ur questions first before just postin anywhere... but i feel this is a descent thread

i havent tried 6.5 and im not going to
when 6.5 is released properly then the good version will be properly put on the hd
until then its 6.1

My goodness, lets everyone just start a new thread for no other reason than laziness to read and experiment, dont encourage this kind topics as it sets a bad example!

seams to me that "IT" guys have a chip on there shoulder, all we are looking for is a bit help. We are not all computer experts. We all want the same thing though. The best and fastest rom. It does not matter what is good for me is not good for you. We are simply asking a question. And you are the guys to answer the questions. Yes you could do a search and get about 10,000 answers. Do you have time to go thru all them for the one you are looking for. COME ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again this is heading down the path of another useless thread as everyone is talking off topic again.
This is why MOD's delete threads like this as they just go round in circles with people complaining etc etc etc.
If you want this thread to remain open, start talking about the topic again, otherwise thread will close very soon. I'm actually surprised its still open.
Anyway, ON TOPIC, all 6.5 is a facelift to 6.1 with no real great improvement.
Thats my 2 cents!!

So true am new to all of this, I've been trying to put the 6.5 rom on htc hd and finding help is not easy.

xmsnx said:
but it is all subjective.
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I don't understand why everyone decline the question. In my understanding the question just ask about the advantages of the 6.5 in comparison to 6.1 ROMs here.
May be this question question the high-number-must-better attidude of many of us but for me this question is adequate and reasonable. No reason to harm somebody.
brodos123 said:
I wish to start a thread where we discuss what is best of 6.1 or 6.5
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Maybe this helps: ll you need to know about Windows Mobile 6.5
Relating to this article:
1. Windows Mobile becomes Windows Phone
Surely no reason for our choice.
2. All new menus
6.1: Manula, manila menus, new start menu etc. from HTC
6.5: honeycomb today screen, new menus etc.
Both solutions are more finger friendly -> Its you choice.
3. Flick gestures
Like HTC with manila and some other options on 6.1, microsoft try the same with 6.5. -> Its you choice.
4. Better browser
Most 6.1 ROMs here use Opera and 6.5 the new internet explorer. -> Its you choice.
7. Better looking lock screen
There are many 3th party applications which allow this also on 6.1 ROMs. -> Its you choice.
8. Improved e-mail and messaging
I didn't check this with current 6.5 ROMs but it seems to be, that HTC (on old 6.1 ROMs) made the same.
So, after all this points, for me there is no big advantage between the new 6.5 ROM and the old 6.1 ROMs with HTC applications like manila.
It's only your choice, if you prefer manila or honeycombs, the solutions from HTC or Microsoft.

Elim said:
7. Better looking lock screen
There are many 3th party applications which allow this also on 6.1 ROMs. -> Its you choice.
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For me it was the lock screen in WM6.5 that sold it to me. I used to use S2U2 but found it a little bit buggy and would sometimes crap-out when using flipit/gyrator etc etc. The default WM6.1 lock does a job but it's exactly pretty looking.
But the WM 6.5 lock? 'Tis glorious! I'm loving being able to jump straight to different notifications and it just looks so good as well.
Other aspects of WM6.5
I was using Dutty's v2.6 (and had been using Dutty's ROMs since the first Xtreme Test came out) and couldn't recommend it highly enough; it really is a fantastic ROM. I am missing a lot of the nice little features the the Rhodium Manila brings in.
I'm currently using Miri's v6.1 Premium (and thinking about upgrading to the new v7.0) with TF3D running on top of it. I ran with the Titanium interface for a bit but Manila if definitely better for me and the way I use my phone.
But part of me thinks I might just go back to Dutty's v2.6. As I mentioned above, there a just so many lovely little features in the Rhodium ROMs cooked by Dutty that I'm missing. No sleight on Miri's work you understand; there are many bugs reported when trying to integrate Rhodium with WM6.5 so I think the final advice has to be that if you want all the niceness of the Rhodium ROMs (and believe me, they are nice!) you need to run WM6.1 underneath.
I guess we'll just have to wait for the Diamond2/Touch Pro2 to get their WM6.5 upgrades in the Summer to see how Manila3 works alongside WM6.5.
<Just my views for over the past few days>

dom_mitchell1 said:
For me it was the lock screen in WM6.5 that sold it to me. I used to use S2U2 but found it a little bit buggy and would sometimes crap-out when using flipit/gyrator etc etc. The default WM6.1 lock does a job but it's exactly pretty looking.
But the WM 6.5 lock? 'Tis glorious! I'm loving being able to jump straight to different notifications and it just looks so good as well.
Other aspects of WM6.5
I was using Dutty's v2.6 (and had been using Dutty's ROMs since the first Xtreme Test came out) and couldn't recommend it highly enough; it really is a fantastic ROM. I am missing a lot of the nice little features the the Rhodium Manila brings in.
I'm currently using Miri's v6.1 Premium (and thinking about upgrading to the new v7.0) with TF3D running on top of it. I ran with the Titanium interface for a bit but Manila if definitely better for me and the way I use my phone.
But part of me thinks I might just go back to Dutty's v2.6. As I mentioned above, there a just so many lovely little features in the Rhodium ROMs cooked by Dutty that I'm missing. No sleight on Miri's work you understand; there are many bugs reported when trying to integrate Rhodium with WM6.5 so I think the final advice has to be that if you want all the niceness of the Rhodium ROMs (and believe me, they are nice!) you need to run WM6.1 underneath.
I guess we'll just have to wait for the Diamond2/Touch Pro2 to get their WM6.5 upgrades in the Summer to see how Manila3 works alongside WM6.5.
<Just my views for over the past few days>
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Dutty is finalizing his latest rom v2.7 RC (due out fri) which is WM6.1, and then he is straight into working on WM6.5 roms, so maybe its worth waiting to see how these turn out!!

Fallen Spartan said:
Dutty is finalizing his latest rom v2.7 RC (due out fri) which is WM6.1, and then he is straight into working on WM6.5 roms, so maybe its worth waiting to see how these turn out!!
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That is exactly what I wanted to hear! Magic!

I used Duttys 2.4 ROM earlier, loved it.
I installed Davideucks wm6.5 rom yesterday, I love the speed of the Titanium menu, feels really smooth, so does the start-menu and mail inbox.
But like dom_mitchell1 i miss some small stuff from manila/duttys ROM.
Things I dont like about WM 6.5 is that I dont think we cant customzie the main Titanium menue, yet? For instance I would like it to launch Opera instead of IE.
I liked the new Manila calendar better.
Today screen only shows one appointment. I dont know why they dont use all that empty space they left in the lock-screen, its perfect for showing multiple appointments.
Moving icons the way you want them in the new sart-menu is a hassle.
Hearing that Dutty is moving to 6.5 is really great.
I bet he will bring great stuff to it.

OFFTOPIC: IMO, the biggest factor for chosing either wm6.1 or wm6.5 is personal choice, based on several factors: functionality, looks, speed, customization, compatibility. Thats why it is really difficult to chose the perfect ROM for everybody. This debate between newer members asking this sort of questions and older members becoming sick and tired of answering them is old and it will last forever, I guess. No matter how many times you say to a new member: go read wiki, etc, there will ALWAYS be smb. new coming and asking the same question tomorrow. I, personally, prefer to help instead of suggesting: go read, but sometimes I am way too lazy to present a proper answer, hence I just ignore the question. I believe this should be the solution to this, but everybody treats it differently.
ONTOPIC: I have tried 20+ ROMs for HD, most of them wm6.1, but now i'm on Davide wm6.5 rom and i dont wanna go back. why?
at the beginning its the looks. I guess i just grew tired of the dark, black HTC customization. Also, manila was not suitable for me, i didnt use 70% of the features, i guess: didnt use favourite people tab (its easier to dial directly from phone app.), didnt use financial info tab (not interested), didnt use internet tab (i can easily just open Opera from programs) etc.
Wm6.5 is finally moving at an acceptable speed, the Start menu looks great (although it lacks customization mostly), and from the home screen i can listen to music, see photos, see the wheather (by using titanium weather 2.2) and I can use some HD-quality pictures as background. Also, email, sms lists look neater, more classy. the softkey menus are bigger, more finger-friendly. These are reasons enough for me to use wm6.5 and not come back to 6.1. Not to mention being a smart-ass among my friends with HTC HD and stock ROM.
So if you go rather towards new, imperfect technically-wise ROMs, I advice you to go to 6.5. It is fully utilisable. I actually used the previous Davide ROM for a week!!, which is quite a lot of time in my recent days. If you prefer much functionality and perfect, 100% reliable device, go for wm6.1 roms..

Fallen Spartan said:
Anyway, ON TOPIC, all 6.5 is a facelift to 6.1 with no real great improvement.
Thats my 2 cents!!
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Yes, like 6.1 was a facelift to 6.0, and 6.0 to 5.0. So what? The latest beta versions of 6.5 are clearly faster than 6.1 and you do not need TF anymore, which by itself slows down WM.

fair question. my advice is to sprite backup ur data. try out each new 6.5 rom cook then, if u don't like it, go back to ur previous rom & do #1 spritr restore.
personally, I found early 6.5 roms really slow & unresponsive so I too abandoned the concept for extreme 2.6.
I have decided to wait til it's officially released. I don't think it's anywhere near ready. oh, and it didn't recognize my sdd card.
the big improvements for me were the big X in top right corner (close button) and the opera like IE browser.

Spoilt for ROMs - Miri, At0mAng or NRGZ28's??

Hi all,
To anyone out there who has tried all three of what look like to be the best Rhodium ROMs here currently - which one would you recommend and why?
Miri - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=552643
At0mAng - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=555747
NRGZ28 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553506
I'm about to load my first ROM and any feedback on which one would has the best stability with working Exchange 2007 + BT integration would be appreciated.
Many thanks
PS - pls no more "just read their threads" posts, have done that already and keen to get any first hand feedback

Let's see! All the information you want is in that respective thread! If you read them, then you wont need to ask. Also ROM performance depends on what you install and where you live! So you really cant compare what other users say.
Just read, flash and enjoy!

mougins said:
PS - pls no more "just read their threads" posts, have done that already and keen to get any first hand feedback
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Seriously; the previous poster is right: it's all a matter of personal taste. You honestly can only judge for yourself, and your type of usage of your device.
Besides, there are more cooks, you forgot some ROMS in your list
Again: just flash, use the rom for a few hours, and try another one... after a while you will see what cook fits your need the best

I personally prefer At0mang's ROM's they are fast and stable and good for everyday use

Like anyone needs to ask...my ROM of course

My 2 cents
Hi
I tried all, and the Best as per my experience is Miri.
1- Not a single button push or option made my TP2 freeze. Other ROMs made it freeze. In one of the ROMs, the "other" button in the manila settings page made it freeze every time i click it
2- Other ROMs have built in software that did not work. One of the ROMs had "Bluetooth explorer" and "bluetooth wizard", and none of those could switch on bluetooth !!!! My experience is based on flashing more than once
3- The only thing that lacks Miri is modifying the icons on the taskbar to make them more eye candy (bluetooth, wifi, battery, GSM, speaker,...)
Rgds
Raed

NRG might get the upper hand just because of his visuals.
Other then that, I think all is great.

udK rom....

Honestly speaking Miri's and B16B is the best ROM i ever tried. Well it depends on your requirements better try ALL and select which one is suitable for your TP2.
For me I'm still using the Shipped ROM + Hero Toch

I have to agree about the visuals, not only does NRG make a stable rom but its got everything you need pre loaded and looks fantastic, all other roms are still genius work, but still using NRG'S

On a serious note
The only ROM's I would use are my ROMs or NRG's ROMs. At least we do something creative with our ROMs and not just package up OEM crap.
How about getting a little orginal and also learning how to port a build instead of using the OEM sys. Oh yeah that is too much work without asking for help and then dropping people once you get what you want

lorgem said:
Honestly speaking Miri's and B16B is the best ROM i ever tried. Well it depends on your requirements better try ALL and select which one is suitable for your TP2.
For me I'm still using the Shipped ROM + Hero Toch
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thanks m8 because i do not see nowhere my rom
i think because is not compared with the others..

At0mAng said:
The only ROM's I would use are my ROMs or NRG's ROMs. At least we do something creative with our ROMs and not just package up OEM crap.
How about getting a little orginal and also learning how to port a build instead of using the OEM sys. Oh yeah that is too much work without asking for help and then dropping people once you get what you want
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Porting a ROM is not an easy thing!...I know exactly what u mean...

You'll notice that there aren't a lot of "which rom is best" threads, because they're terribly subjective and often lead to a lot of bickering. As such, it's standard policy to close these types of threads.

[POLL] What ROM would you recommend to people?

This thread is for people like me, who don't know what ROM to choose from a list of many ROMs from many great chefs.
I am keeping my poll options empty for the time being as I have only played with a few ROMs without any guidance. I will begin to populate them as I start to see a few specific ROMs appearing consistantly.
I would like to ask the community of xda-developers to come by and help populate this thread with simple comments
and/or recommendations on what ROM(s if you have multiple devices) you use on your Rhodium/Touch Pro 2/Tilt 2 device.
Also, please also add what kind of user your are, or how/why you use your phone with 'said' ROM.
Additionally beneficial would be letting users know what ROM you recently used prior to your recommendation and the offsets you experience in general.
ie. ROM A is the one I recommend. However, ROM B does a few things a bit better, although ROM A is the one I would recommend to people who like smooth, quick eyecandy filled ROMs.
I also ask for intelligent, constructive critique on what you think about the ROM that you are commenting upon.
No one needs to know about what piece of profanity you would like to tack on 'user A' for saying '10101' about 'ROM B' or vice-versa.
This is meant to be a resource for new users to xda-developers, like I was, and to new owners of the HTC Touch Pro 2/Rhodium, Windows Mobile phone.
Candidly, I would like to have the moderator's support in keeping this a clean thread to have an easier (and more pleasant) navigation throughout the thread.
I would like to start off with creating a list of ROMs organized by chef name and OS/TouchFlo 3D version.
Underneath each ROM and their links (I will either find the ROM myself, or if you can be so helpful enough to link it onto your post
within this thread), I will be adding the pros and cons that are mentioned here, and that I have found as well.
To let you know a bit about my bias, I am looking for the following items;
-Speed
--Not only operating speed, going from interface to interface, but also how it handles multitasking.
--I usually do these three together; GPS, music, web browsing/text messaging
-User Friendliness
--From first stepping into the ROM, to using it for a couple of days and seeing it's inevitable and understandable flaws and offsets.
--Customizing settings on the ROM, and the ease to have certain things.
-Miscellaneous
--Other things such as the way the ROM will handle things such as the
unsightly error of TouchFlo 3D 2.5 and it's lack of Landscape viewing ability.
--These items will account for my general accountability on the topic of
"Would I (highly) recommend to my friend, who may be the same as, or a completely different user than, me."​
My history with phones;
I have first used Motorola phones, starting with the t220 (apparently one of the first camera phones) moving to the RAZR V6 MAXX
(quite a glam, nice looking phone with great features, but poor connectivity issues with network and bluetooth) and a few years ago
Sony Ericsson phones such as the W810, K850 and the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1a.
Most recently;
I have late last year, used a BlackBerry BOLD 9000, and in the past 3 months, trialed the Sony Ericsson XPERIA.
Without much ROM customization, the stock ROM was fun to play with, but lacked the easy access and user interface speed that
I have become accustomed to with the BlackBerry BOLD 9000. However, in seeing the Touch Pro 2 and purchasing it, I can now fully indulge in customizing
it with ROMs to fit my needs, though I am still painfully without hardware keys to have quick access to my browser, music or GPS.
However, I suppose the full 5 row keyboard makes up for the lack of hardware buttons elsewhere on the body.
Currently, I am using my Touch Pro 2, mainly as a resource device. What do I mean by this? I am using it with a SIM Card that only has data services.
I have installed programs such as Japanese dictionaries, phrase banks and linguistic aids to help in my study of the Japanese language.
I also use this for school (I am currently in grade 11, high school) using this device as my quick access to the internet (even though I have my blackberry).
I suppose having new devices is an obsession for me, as with a few others on here.
I'm looking for ROMs that will allow me quick and easy access to the programs that I frequent the most such as my Japanese programs, GPS,
music, web browser, notes, M-Soft Word and also allow me to freely multitask with them.
I know that this is mainly hardware dependent, but I have learned that some ROMs take up less RAM space, as to free up some more coasting speed for programs to run on.
Posting Format​​
Please include the following;
Recommended ROM?
ROM used before recommended ROM?
Your network provider, phone (is it from/branded T-Mobile US, AT&T, Telstra, Sprint, TELUS)?
How/What do you use your phone? (Business, personal, school // As your main device, just as a (conference) phone, just as a mini internet tablet, etc...)
The pros & cons you noticed coming onto this ROM?
Who you think would benefit from using this ROM?
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ADDITIONALLY;
I want to invite Chefs to either PM me, or post what (and who) they desire their ROM to be (for),
so that TP2/Rhodium users/owners can have a one-stop place to take a look at which ROM has what to offer (and to whom).
I will be adding the Chef's words beneath the ROM(s) they wish to comment upon.
The following post will before the ROM listings.​

ROM Listings!
Chef NRGZ28
He builds his ROMs with four main goals.
* Eye candy
* Speed !!!
* Smoothness, consistency and good aesthetics
* Stability through private beta testing before public release
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★ EnergyROM "Leo" (Build 23016) [Updated Oct 7]
Runs Windows Mobile 6.5 WWE & TouchFlo 3D/Manila 2.5
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Comments;
-Stable
-Fast
-Good Looking
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Great for;
★ EnergyROM "Photon, formerly GENESIS" (BUILD?) [Updated Oct 7]
Runs Windows Mobile 6.5 WWE & TouchFlo 3D/Manila 2.1
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Comments;
-Bug-Free
-Great aesthetics
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Great for;
Chef Monx
"ONLY THE BEST FOR ALL XDA-DEV MEMBERS"
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ROMeOS³ v1.20 (Build 23016)
Runs Windows Mobile 6.5 WWE & TouchFlo 3D/Manila 2.5 + HTC SENSE (beta)
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Comments;
-Fun and easy to customize to personal tastes
-Works great "out of the box"
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Great for;
Chef b16b
AthineOS v2.0 OEM Style (Build 21054)
Runs Windows Mobile 6.1 & TouchFlo 3D/Manila 2.1
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Comments;
-Works great "out of the box"
-Very stock/OEM like ROM without all the carrier's unneccessary confectionery
-Easy to use, being that it is a simple ROM
-Quick and fast
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Great for;
-Those who are looking to keep their stock ROM without carrier branding or excessive programs
-Great for business users to retain that 'corporate' look
[MORE COMING]

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im so glad you have this up. i also have a hard time choosing.
pretty useless comment lol

You might be wasting your time since a mod most likely will close this thread...

How come?
If I'm making a bit too bias (on what I'm looking for) then I won't include my own opinion. That's fine.
But I want to have something like what the Kovsky/Sony Ericsson XPERIA forum has.
A ROM index, but enhanced with things such as recommendations, and owner/users & chef comments.

SleepiTyme said:
How come?
If I'm making a bit too bias (on what I'm looking for) then I won't include my own opinion. That's fine.
But I want to have something like what the Kovsky/Sony Ericsson XPERIA forum has.
A ROM index, but enhanced with things such as recommendations, and owner/users & chef comments.
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I am not sure why, the last few times someone asked which ROM was best the mods closed the thread. They claim it cuases flame wars and such.
Personally, I dont mind, like the idea and I was just giving you a heads up. Maybe you should ask a mod before your proceed further.

I would say this poll would avoid other threads like "what do you think is the best rom" or "can you advise me some rom"
So thumbs up

the best way to keep one thread like this is :
take one benchmark.. and test all the rom.. and post all result here
like topaz one
otherwise will locked soon

Benchmark?
"How does Benchmark?"
I think.. by emulating the ROM's speed and multitasking capabilities and such?
I want to know, not by computer, but by people why 'said' ROM is great.
Honestly, this is my story here;
I heard that ROMeOS's ROM for the Rhodium was great, although I had first saw Athine OS (both the light and Titanium builds with 2.1 and 2.5 Manila, 6.1 and 6.5 WinMo) and saw the pictures of the interface were just completely amazing.
So I downloaded them, but saw that they ran.. just the same as my stock ROM (at quite the same speed), though it was much cleaner than my Telstra stock ROM which was confuddled with many apps and things that I didn't need. And the light blue theme just didn't do it for me.
So then I just recently (actually last night) installed the ROMeOS ROM on my TP2 and found it so fun to have so much control upon things such as background wallpaper (both for lock screen and home screen tab). Also things such as backlighting, edit tabs, set up bluetooth, set up data, ringtones, message notifications ALMOST EVERYTHING customizable (that you would usually have to go in and out of menus for on the stock WWE ROM, and sometimes the Athine ROM) was located in one simple tab. Neigh, a simple section within a tab that had even more customization for other things on the phone.
THAT! That was most likely made this ROM popular, and it really did get into my good books quickly... until I found out that Manila 2.5 doesn't support Landscape.
I feel like I should either.. move onto another ROM, or just live with it.
I'm using Gyrator 2 along with my ROM, and it DID have the event action NOT to have auto rotate in Manila.. even though.. I want it to...
This above.. I'm looking for comments such as this, except from other, MORE experienced users with better opinions. Who hopefully can dumb it down so that people like me and many others, still fairly new to Windows Mobile, xda-developers and the HTC Touch Pro 2/Rhodium alike, can understand.
I believe.. that this should be something like a collaborative blog.
Just reading back up on my post right now, it's almost as if I were reading someone's story.
Many users might not want to go through that, and others may just want to write something to have their experience heard.
What I want to do is sift through all of that, and just have the comments, positive or negative, tacked onto each ROM in a list.
My ROMs Listing post.
Right by each description from each Chef.
Maybe it'll be reason enough for mods to keep this alive, maybe it won't be.
But... saving the effort of going through each ROM (there are about... 6-10, give or take 5^x) in which said thread for said ROM has 10+ pages of posts, usually around the vicinity of 30-50.
That is A LOT OF READING.

useless information
personally, this is useless information and i don"t go by polls. The best information is based on users" signature. I also take time to read, instead of relying on polls.

SleepiTyme said:
Benchmark?
"How does Benchmark?"
I think.. by emulating the ROM's speed and multitasking capabilities and such?
I want to know, not by computer, but by people why 'said' ROM is great.
Honestly, this is my story here;
I heard that ROMeOS's ROM for the Rhodium was great, although I had first saw Athine OS (both the light and Titanium builds with 2.1 and 2.5 Manila, 6.1 and 6.5 WinMo) and saw the pictures of the interface were just completely amazing.
So I downloaded them, but saw that they ran.. just the same as my stock ROM, though it was much cleaner than my Telstra stock ROM which was confuddled with many apps and things that I didn't need. And the light blue theme just didn't do it for me.
So then I just recently (actually last night) installed the ROMeOS ROM on my TP2 and found it so fun to have so much control upon things such as background wallpaper (both for lock screen and home screen tab). Also things such as backlighting, edit tabs, set up bluetooth, set up data, ringtones, message notifications ALMOST EVERYTHING customizable (that you would usually have to go in and out of menus for on the stock WWE ROM, and sometimes the Athine ROM) was located in one simple tab. Neigh, a simple section within a tab that had even more customization for other things on the phone.
THAT! That was most likely made this ROM popular, and it really did get into my good books quickly... until I found out that Manila 2.5 doesn't support Landscape.
I feel like I should either.. move onto another ROM, or just live with it.
I'm using Gyrator 2 along with my ROM, and it DID have the event action NOT to have auto rotate in Manila.. even though.. I want it to...
This above.. I'm looking for comments such as this, except from other, MORE experienced users with better opinions. Who hopefully can dumb it down so that people like me and many others, still fairly new to Windows Mobile, xda-developers and the HTC Touch Pro 2/Rhodium alike, can understand.
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How does one know which is best if they do not try them all? You mentioned two ROMs but have not mentioned the others. Can you give valid opinion on which you think is best without trying them all? Everyone has different tastes.
Those are just some of the things the mods may say and have said.
Like what I said, I don't mind a thread like this and wish there was a way to do this in a way that was more subjective.
Maybe there needs to be an official ROM judge
Edit
Well that won't work either.
The only for you to know what ROM is best for you is to try them all until you find one that you like for yourself.

Ut0p1a said:
personally, this is useless information and i don"t go by polls. The best information is based on users" signature. I also take time to read, instead of relying on polls.
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Then.. maybe not polls?
What other way would be the best to;
1) save you time from reading a couple dozen to a couple hundred posts everytime you got a new device (though we're only talking about the Rhodium, and if you've read all those posts, I suppose you're a lost cause that I want to avoid being like, and want to help others avoid being as such as well)
2) Get you the accurate information on what are the highlights of the ROMs
2b) Without all the different ways that each chef sets up their forum posts to explain what their ROM does
2c) And have it all in one common format
3) Not many people post their ROMs on their signatures. I just saw it around as a growing
@At0mAng
Thank you for your opinion at this time of night.
Yes, did only mention (actually it was) three roms.
However, that is just only my input.
I've yet to trial the Miri ROM(s) and the Energy ROMs, just to name a few.
But mainly, I want simple, quick or concise comments on which ROMs a good/great and for what reason. Is it some part of the ROM? Does it perform better in the way that you've explained that you are using your TP2? Etc?
Yes.. everyone has different tastes, but they can mention what they like about 'said' ROM and help people become objective by the comments made here, and the quick pros and cons that have been tabulated onto the second post of this forum for quick reference as to which ROM does what best, or includes which great feature.
Edit;
This thread isn't here to decide Which ROM is the NUMBER ONE (for YOU)?!
It's to help guide newcomers to xda-developers, the HTC Touch Pro 2/Rhodium and Windows Mobile (all together) choose which ROM to pick.
I mean.. for new people, they have probably heard of ROMs, but don't know what to do with it.
What the heck is a HardSPL and flashing it?
Or, naturally after coming from the HardSPL resource sticky, one does suddenly freeze up and get stuck before spending 3-5 hours reading posts and choosing which ROM to pick and install, only to find out it doesn't really meet their requirements and move on to another one with a HUGE amount of wasted effort.
This here is to help people like that make more objective decisions, much quicker with the pros and cons of each ROM outlined and defined.

ROM Review template?
At0mAng said:
I am not sure why, the last few times someone asked which ROM was best the mods closed the thread. They claim it cuases flame wars and such.
Personally, I dont mind, like the idea and I was just giving you a heads up. Maybe you should ask a mod before your proceed further.
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Completely agree with At0mAng and I like this idea. I don't understand the fear of flame wars either. Just ban the people who start flaming and can't have a normal discussion.
As for this thread, maybe we could all post reviews of a ROM in a certain template. E.g. give grades for speed, apps, stability, eye candy, etc... Some people look for speed and clean ROMs, others just for the most fully apped ROMs. With a review template, you could have a quick overview of what a ROM performs best on and make your pick.

It's Right!
There is NO Best ROM !
Every Cooker has his "touch and taste" in his ROM...
I love to work with you all, guys...
All the cookers here are talented!
Work AS a TEAM get us a BETTER results!!
Continue all, in the great progress...
We will "knock out" HTC software at a glance...

TheAgent1982 said:
There is NO Best ROM !
Every Cooker has his "touch and taste" in his ROM...
I love to work with you all, guys...
All the cookers here are talented!
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It's not the point of this thread to find THE best ROM, but to find the most suitable ROM that fits your needs, at a glance...

Normally these threads are just closed as At0mAng said, but that would be unfair to the OP who's invested a fair old bit of time in this. It isn't the usual format and could be beneficial.
I've said before, that there isn't a forum rules preventing these threads, they are just closed because most of the people who create them are lazy noobs. If this threads is successful, then it "should" lead to less new threads.
I'm now subscribed and will monitor it, if it does degrade in to pretty much a Chef A vs Chef B thread, then I'll close it.
Thanks
Dave

Hi,
I'd like to take the opportunity to try to find a ROM which fits my needs: is there any Rom out there with WM 6.5, quicker than the stock ROM (if one can compare), with as few bugs as possible, still keeping Manilla 2.1 ? By the way, I am not interested in aesthetics, nor in software when the cab is available to install by myself. I only tested EnergyROM Genesis up to now, which is excellent, bug free as far as I can tell, but with many applications, very good aesthetics, maybe speed could improve with lighter graphics... Is there any quicker ROM here ?
On a side note, I find that the virtual keyboard of the TP2 is slow, e.g. changing from alpha to numeric takes too much time (then the first digit you type is ignored), does any ROM (or cab) improve this ?

Recommended ROM
I agree with the moderator that this poll (purely on the basis of statistics) is an interesting experiment and should not be stopped. It is vital though that people who vote have tested a significant number of the roms available.
I tested all the roms available on the 20-25 Sep period (7-8 of them) and I ended up using NRGZ28's Leo Manila 2.5 ROM as the most stable, fast, good looking. Essentially I encounter no bugs in every day use and I would recommend this rom to any TP2 user.

The best and most stable 6.5 rom

So what do you guys think is the most stabel rom at the moment in 6.5.
Or the most stable rom in any version

I think XannyTechRom is now the stabilytiest rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594151

The most stable ROM can be found by using "Search" and "Reading" before posting.
However , you could start off with Miri's as it is close to stock and try everything else before you conclude whats best for you.
PS : All ROM's are stable.

napsterdj said:
The most stable ROM can be found by using "Search" and "Reading" before posting.
However , you could start off with Miri's as it is close to stock and try everything else before you conclude whats best for you.
PS : All ROM's are stable.
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there is no "stable" on cooked roms... but its play with them.

airbrushbodyart48 said:
So what do you guys think is the most stabel rom at the moment in 6.5.
Or the most stable rom in any version
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mark my words and go for Energy Phoenix 21891 Feb 4 release.
Its mind boggling. Cool and suave.
And really fast. Mark my words again REALLY FAST and no bugs. Really STABLE
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524032

Asked a million Times
airbrushbodyart48 said:
So what do you guys think is the most stabel rom at the moment in 6.5.
Or the most stable rom in any version
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This really gets asked alot and is pretty much a waste of time. This will get closed fairly quickly as it should be.
Asking what is the most stable or best rom usually ends up in endless & pointless bickering.
The best answer is the one that you find most works for you. Search, read the different rom threads and see what parts of them you like. Read up some more then flash a few and use them for a few days so you get the feel and experience of them. You will eventually find one that has all that you are looking for.
@MODS: Do your thing

adempozhari said:
there is no "stable" on cooked roms... but its play with them.
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It depends on how you want to describe "stable".
Most of the ROM's i try here are really good. But it really depends on what your looking for. Sometimes i want Eye candy, and sometimes I just want my ROM to be very responsive and bug free with the things I normally use.
Then again its subjective from person to person.
And pointless threads leads to pointless discussions , lol
Just my 2 cents.
Waiting for this to be closed.

airbrushbodyart48 said:
So what do you guys think is the most stabel rom at the moment in 6.5.
Or the most stable rom in any version
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You will never know.

napsterdj said:
The most stable ROM can be found by using "Search" and "Reading" before posting.
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good advice... the problem is, that we have a umpteen of different ROMS and - thats most tiring - a bazillion of replys to the particular threads. How could you extract valuable information out of that bunch of information?
so, in my opinion, that thread here is absolutely justified. But on the other side I have absolutely no idea, how to find a answer to that question.
cheers

The point here is, "You will never know unless you try it yourself," especially if you spend your time asking others, waiting and hoping.
Read threads, explore and experiment is the best advice we all can give you as everyone's preference can be different then yours.
.....threads like this don't last long for the purposes mentioned above so before it closes I would like to say Good luck and happy Flashing.

I understand where you are coming from, there is a hell of a lot of reading through various forums to try and work out what is the best for you. ( I also have found the search function takes quite a while to dig through to find what u want)
Recently I have been after fast/"stable" rom, running a WM6.5 rom with sence 2.5. I'm am not a serial flasher, as i try and find a good rom and stick with it for a many months. (Was a big fan of Dutty's when he cooked for the HD)
I choose the below (easy to find in the rom section)
[ROM][WWE][Feb.13.10] Topix 3.5.4 [Sense 2.5.2012][5.2.21891][ONLINE]
and I run version 1.14.XX.XX radio.
There are a few small bugs but nothing major or impact most peoples phone usage,
Main bugs are
Java won't run (bypassable by a cab)
Slight issue when editing a txt (still researching a fix)
Possibly problem keeping a proxy setting (no research done yet)
I beleive facebook also needs some patching but i dont use it so have not tried, but again there is a cab to fix it
.
I have added added a small amount of bling, being
"Brians WM6.5 taskbar (v5b)" for a coloured taskbar
and
"driverpack signed 2010" to increase video speed
I also have a heap of games plus some apps and utilities (eg clean ram, Tom Tom, coreplayer, mobipocket etc)
It runs very well and I have had no stability issue's. It's fine on the battery too unlike some.
I highly recommend it. (This is a fairly new rom version so it is possible that other problem may occur but it is from a good cook)

Difficult to answer this is why these kind of posts get stopped...
But It all depends on what you use your device for, I for one need lots of free memory as I run some heavy GPS software and other applications at the same time, most of the Sense 2.5 loaded roms are way to bloated, they look nice and are great for basic use, but once you start really pushing the device which this device can handle, its just it seems all this fuss about a bit of graphical weather and a book reader that is far inferior to most applications out there, is beyond me...WM6.5.5 I find very nice, especially the new calendar finger friendlyness, I find I don't use the sense calendar as I can quickly cut and paste etc..within the built in calendar, music player I find Nitrogen far superior to the HTC one, image viewer well there can be only one and thats Rescos.
I can see what HTC are trying to do with Sense, but its based on having an extremely powerful system ie..HD2. so I would recommend a basic rom