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Hi,
I've updated my kaiser with the original wm6.1 update from htc.
Since then it takes forever to get a fix. Once i have one the signal is as strong as before.
It takes over 10 min to get a fix if i even get one at all...
I use TomTom v6 (032.8351) as navigator using the build-in receiver option.
QuickGPS is always up-to-date so that's not the problem.
Is there a way to test the gps hardware and/or settings?
CoolCow said:
Hi,
I've updated my kaiser with the original wm6.1 update from htc.
Since then it takes forever to get a fix. Once i have one the signal is as strong as before.
It takes over 10 min to get a fix if i even get one at all...
I use TomTom v6 (032.8351) as navigator using the build-in receiver option.
QuickGPS is always up-to-date so that's not the problem.
Is there a way to test the gps hardware and/or settings?
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Same here, does the GPS really use the QuickGPS update? It seems it uses really old definitions or something. Does a custom baked ROM, like a Dutty rom, fix this prob?
Has either one of you disabled AGPS (Assissted GPS)?
Yes, it is disabled here.
bio88 said:
Yes, it is disabled here.
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Did u ever use app like gpstest or gpstool? they are very helpfull in "kicking up" the gps signal.
Where can i get this?
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Where can i get this?
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gpstest is a freeware, u can get it in P1Taters "storage", he has got it in his signature(its in cabs/a must for me).
Or try to google it.
AGPS is quite different, it's disabled by default in most ROMs including the new 6.1 update, no surprise there.
QuickGPS is separate and should be working, and indeed appears to be working just fine, but for whatever reason the data is collects just isn't being used by the GPS in 6.1 ROMs. This has been discussed here at length (search for "hopeless GPS") and there's no solution in sight. Some claim not to have the problem, for others it's all too obvious. We can all get quick fixes from time to time, but the consistent reliability from the old 6.0 ROMs is completely gone in 6.1.
Every registry tweak, "GPS test" and radio change suggested here has proven to be a placebo so far - I'm just waiting (forever, probably) for a patch from HTC.
The same problem is also mentioned in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397728 I hope that someone will find a solution...
Sorry guys, but after sofreset I get first fix after 1-2 minutes and after that when I launch iGO I get a fix after some seconds(10-20).
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AGPS is quite different, it's disabled by default in most ROMs including the new 6.1 update, no surprise there.
QuickGPS is separate and should be working, and indeed appears to be working just fine, but for whatever reason the data is collects just isn't being used by the GPS in 6.1 ROMs. This has been discussed here at length (search for "hopeless GPS") and there's no solution in sight. Some claim not to have the problem, for others it's all too obvious. We can all get quick fixes from time to time, but the consistent reliability from the old 6.0 ROMs is completely gone in 6.1.
Every registry tweak, "GPS test" and radio change suggested here has proven to be a placebo so far - I'm just waiting (forever, probably) for a patch from HTC.
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For you maybe. Mine seems to work flawless. Every time I try, it works.
BTW, AGPS is not always disabled. Yes it is different but it might be interfering with the GPS software. It did in one of Dutty's roms i beta tested for him.
@ everyone else. Here is some cabs that might help speed up GPS Locks. Keyword is "might".
GPS Test >>http://www.4shared.com/file/39878866/6000e5dc/GPSTestppc.html
Quick GPS >>http://www.4shared.com/file/41184769/2d4081af/HTCQuickGPS_1_00_919717_01.html
Schap's Quick GPS >>http://www.4shared.com/file/39881509/516514c3/Schaps_QuickGPS_1_00_17201933_00_WWE.html
GPS Tool >>http://www.4shared.com/file/36654853/c713bfd1/Nadavi_HTC_GPS_TOOL.html
Mikulec said:
Sorry guys, but after sofreset I get first fix after 1-2 minutes and after that when I launch iGO I get a fix after some seconds(10-20).
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Congratulations?
I can sometimes get first fix after 1-2 minutes, the problem is that other times (seemingly at random) it can be 5, 10, 15, or 20 minutes. Without properly functioning QuickGPS, it's basically luck of the draw.
Once you've had a lock, the data is retained for some hours (unless you reset) so subsequent fixes will usually be fairly instanteneous, even for me. None of this really helps.
Like I said before, some people claim not to have the problem, some of them may even be right, but unfortunately for others the problem definitely exists, and nobody's put their finger on the cause.
P1Tater said:
For you maybe. Mine seems to work flawless. Every time I try, it works.
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Great. This definitely proves my GPS is fine after all. Thanks for all your help.
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@ everyone else. Here is some cabs that might help speed up GPS Locks. Keyword is "might".
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Keyword is "placebo". Running a different GPS app before the actual GPS app you want to use doesn't actually speed anything up, it just makes it seem like you're "doing something". All software like GPS Test does is open a port to your GPS and try to get a fix - do you think TomTom doesn't do that already?
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Like I said before, some people claim not to have the problem, some of them may even be right
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So, those that don't have the issue are liars? Good luck figuring it out. I don't feel like having this argument on whether or not mine is working. Childish in my opinion, so I'll just move on. I believe it's quite ignorant to insult those that have tried to help whether by posting cabs or possible advice
@ everyone else, I posted some links to some cabs that might help or might not. I hope they do help those that indeed need it and not those that just want to complain. Good luck.
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So, those that don't have the issue are liars?
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Yes of course, they're damned dirty liars, all of them.
Or they've misunderstood the problem.
Or they've just tried their GPS for the first time in weeks and gotten a reasonably quick fix, just like any of us (myself included) could have done on any random occasion (consistency is the key in this).
Or they're running a completely different ROM/Radio and haven't really been paying attention (that wouldn't be you would it?)
Point is, I'd strongly encourage anyone genuinely experiencing this problem not to bother even reading this thread, just get onto HTC for a fix. All the potions and pills being suggested here are a waste of time; they've all been tried, and they don't work.
I believe it's quite ignorant to insult those that have tried to help whether by posting cabs or possible advice
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Bully for you. I believe it's quite ignorant (not to mention bloody irritating) to come onto a thread about a problem you've obviously not experienced, and try to suggest that problem doesn't exist, or that we won't have already tried all the most blindingly obvious fixes for it. But ce la vie.
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Or they're running a completely different ROM/Radio and haven't really been paying attention (that wouldn't be you would it?)
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Yup, that's me. I ignored all issues reported and used a different rom/radio combination to try and fix the issue. Oops. BTW, I never once stated the problem did not exist, as I know it does for some. You stated those that say they are not experiencing the problem are mistaken.
All I can say is that my combination is working for me. I use GPS at least 3 times a week and I always get a fix in under 20 sec. Dutty's June 8 rom and radio 1.58.25.17. Yes, this rom does have issues, but the issue's that it does have do not pertain to me as I dont use the apps that the issues involve.
OMG, this thread is going in the other direction that was supposed.
U try to help him and u get a slap in the face instead of simple THANK YOU.
Nice attitude man.
I know, jeez, isn't it? Crikey. Just goes to show. Who'd have thought it.
Anyway, if you've updated your HTC Tytn II to the new WM 6.1 update, and have been experiencing erratic GPS performance ever since, please do contact HTC Support at their website (www.htc.com) and register a bug report there. That's the only way we're all going to get a fix. Thanks!
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I use GPS at least 3 times a week and I always get a fix in under 20 sec.
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You get a fix in less than 20 seconds after a cold start of Gps? This is exactly the problem i'm dealing with WM6.1 roms. I can't get a fix in less than 2 minutes (cold start) and i have tried many 6.1 roms and many radios. In WM6 roms i get a fix in less than 20 seconds. Can you please tell me which rom do you have installed in your Kaiser? Thank you
Edit: Please give me a link for this rom you are using. Thank you
Thanks for the tips.
I'll try the tools, see if that dous anything good, otherwise i'll send a verry irritated e-mail to htc.
Btw, has anyone tried other navigation software like iGo, MioMap or Destinator?
Same problems?
And if there is no way to fix it for now, is it possible to downgrade to the original WM6?
A hard reset won't bring it back to WM6 i gues?
Hi
Can anyone tell me how to work out if TomTom is actually using QuickGPS data?
On my old phone (which also had QuickGPS) when I went into the GPS details immediately after loading TomTom I'd see loads of satalites listed on the histogram before I actually got a lock. Now when I do a cold start they don't show until I've got a lock. For a warm start they do show and I get a very quick lock, but I'm guessing the QuickGPS data is more for speeding up the cold starts.
Also does anyone know if it makes a difference whether I choose "Internal GPS Device" or "Othe NMEA Device"? Either seems to work
Thanks
Dan
Timed testing?
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Can anyone tell me how to work out if TomTom is actually using QuickGPS data?
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When the HTC TyTN II WWE WM 6.1 upgrade that wasn't first came out and GPS performance fell through the floor, there was speculation that QuickGPS wasn't doing its thing and that this was (at least part of) the reason for the very poor GPS performance and extended times to get a lock. Short of timed testing to achieve a satelite lock which isn't conclusive, I'm not aware of a way to prove that the data is being used by Tomtom or any other navigation software but it might be worth reviewing/searching among some of those past threads on the topic. Theres also alot of discussion in the Raphael forum about poor GPS performance on some Touch Pro devices and some of that is at 'nuts and bolts' level.
On my old phone (which also had QuickGPS) when I went into the GPS details immediately after loading TomTom I'd see loads of satalites listed on the histogram before I actually got a lock. Now when I do a cold start they don't show until I've got a lock. For a warm start they do show and I get a very quick lock, but I'm guessing the QuickGPS data is more for speeding up the cold starts.
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Yes it is. Have a read of the Kaiser GPS Enhancement Guide for some general information in this field but a seach should also yield LOTS on the topic.
Also does anyone know if it makes a difference whether I choose "Internal GPS Device" or "Othe NMEA Device"? Either seems to work
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I had it suggested to me (by HTC) to use the latter and configure the port manually but after much trialling this, I found it didn't fix the problem of poor GPS performance and as far as I was concerned was a waste of time. Given the version of Tomtom Navigator 6.032 was a special one co-developed with HTCs assistance for their devices, I cant see why changing away from 'Internal' should be benificial. In the end my slow fix fix only came with reverting to WM 6.0 for me. I believe some later WM 6.1 ROM/Radio/SPL combinations now offer GPS performance which is much better than earlier WM 6.1 implementations but as these aren't (yet) available through HTCs UK website for my device and I know what I currently have works very well, I'm staying with the official WM 6.0 setup for now. My device is out of warranty, so one day I may try another setup for comparison (say the latest Hong Kong WWE ROM/Radio/SPL).
Thanks - I'm experimenting with radio at the moment and I have managed to get some improvement, but it's annoying not being sure if QuickGPS is really working
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Thanks - I'm experimenting with radio at the moment and I have managed to get some improvement, but it's annoying not being sure if QuickGPS is really working
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Have you seen this thread about Hopeless GPS after WM 6.1 update yet? Since you're in the UK I'm interested to know how your GPS under WM 6.1 with your fairly new Radio is performing. What sort of times do you get standing still out in the open to get a 'cold' satelite lock? Have you tested with that 1.71xxxx eMO Radio as well? I believe the SPL version can also make a difference to GPS performance but I don't know any more about why that is.
In the last couple of days I've tried the 1.70.19.09 and 1.70.18.02 radios. They seem to have a much better GPS performance than 1.58.25.17 which I was on before. It's only been a couple of days though so I can't be 100%
Hi Everyone...
I have had mt HTC 8925 (AT&T Tilt Branded) for well over a year... I use this phone daily and love it... I have never flashed a new rom to it since I flashed the most updated at the time AT&T stock rom that was out the day I got it... It is still running on WM 6.0 and is great for the most part... Only real modification was I did the reset trick to advoid the bloatware... After trying MANY programs, some I liked & kept... others I removed... I have finally run into a snag where I am willing to flash and start over to fix the issue (my tomtom traffic won't update anymore, and after much trouble shooting, TomTom and myself think I need to "Reset the Tilt to factory settings" or flash it to a new rom... I was hoping to get some advice from you guys to which rom should suite me best... Here are some details..
The phone is unlocked, and I use Einstein Wireless for service... so I do not need AT&T or Tmobile settings on there, and I prefer no hidden proxies or anything... I will manually enter my carriers internet and mms settings..
I use a lot of WiFi as my providors internet service is slower than I would like
I use it as a GPS (with TomTom) almost daily...
I installed the HTC Home Plugin and love it with the weather updates.. would like to have that incorperated with whatever rom
The radio version on stock rom works great for me.. so something when paired to do simmilar settings on that ?
I use the S2P, S2V2, and S2V .... So I can install those or if any rom has them in it...
I have a good sized micro SD (8gb at the moment) so I tend to install jsut about everything onto the SD card.. maybe a rom where that is the defautl location or something ?
I use MS Voice Command daily...
I play games on it regularly.. love works, ka-blom, pac man, emulators, and others...
I use wireless BT2.0 stereo headphones for MP3's and such
I stream music and video from my home computer using orb
I have used IE Mobile, Skyfire, and other browsers.. I jsut want one that works well...
I love an iContact (or type) contact program
As you probalyl guessed, I like it to be as finger friendly in general as possible...
I have used a few programs so I can use the phone as a webcam when connected via USB to my computer, woudl be great if it has that built in as well
MMS/SMS managing software would be great.. I usually keep recent txt's for a while after receiving them... something that say only keep them til you have a certain amount or after a certian amount of time passes would be great....
Of course, I would also like the rom to be very stable as well if that isn;t too much to ask..
I am open to trying to some programs/features that I have not used before... and I don't expect any rom to do everything I have listed above... The main thing will be to get one that I can set up the internet easy enough without having to worry about hidden settigns for AT&T or other such carrier... If you have been using a rom that you really liked that you think would work for me, let me know... Thank you in advance for reading this and sending me you suggestions....
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Hi Everyone...
I have had mt HTC 8925 (AT&T Tilt Branded) for well over a year... I use this phone daily and love it...
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So let me get this right.... You have a standard Tilt, minus the bloatware which you're happy with (and have been) until TomTom stopped working with traffic updates. You're now considering changing the ROM to fix the problem Why not just hard reset after backing up your stuff and do the bloatware free reset trick again? Oh and mods don't like 'ROM Recommendation' type threads (read some of the sticky posts to see why) so if people post saying ROM x is better than y, this thread will probably be locked to stop any arguments breaking out. Also TomTom will be less likely to offer support with cooked ROMs - I was told they wouldn't even support a HTC Default WM 6.1 ROM, only the WM 6.0 ROM the device (and TomTom) came with (one of the reasons why I had my device reverted to WM 6.0). Good luck with your hard reset
+1 on the real issue being Tom Tom traffic, as you seem pretty happy with use and your exisiting configuration. I'd try to find a WiFi hotspot (where Tom Tom can also see satellites) and see if Traffic will update via WiFi. Could be Einstein is blocking Tom Tom traffic over GPRS.
still new to the kaiser/tilt/tytn II, etc(less than a week) so not in a position to really give any real advice, but what helped me in my decision is reading through PureSkillz reviews of the roms and seaching with google outside of xda to see what people are using and that helped me with my decision, T-mobile sux in about every way, so if it is good on T-mobile it'll probably be good on anything else. What I had a hard time on is choosing the right radio for my device but luckily the rom i chose allowed me to use whatever radio i wanted and I am happy with my setup and don't plan to change unless something radical happens in the scene. I am running Tomtom 7 on my rom and it works perfect, but i dont have internet via my provider cause they charge way too much so i use wifi. the one thing i don't like about this rom is lack of landscape support but hey, cant complain if i'm not smart enough to cook my own stuff.
see my choice in my sig below. Aloha
Thanks... It isnl;t an einstein blocking issue.. I already tried the WiFi... The problem started right after I installed igo GPS program to compair the 2... I have since uninstalled igo, but tomtom still wont; connect to traffic.. I talked ot them at tomtom.. they were very frienmdly with troubleshooting.. went htough a million steps.. even gave me an additional free year of traffic as well for the problem, even though it isn;t their fault...
Thank you... I read that... and thought I woudl advoid those "argument" because I wasn;t trying to ask "What is the best rom"... I was trying to ask what rom would work the easiest for me in my unique situation ? That is why I listed how I use to and what software I use... But thanks for the input... I considered just doing the hard reset.... I just thought if now I am wiping my phone and starting over, which rom would give me added advantages...
And on the TomTom not working with 6.1..... My son bought a phone like mine after he saw me using it so much.. when he got his (After me) we grabbed the newest offical rom form HTC's site (he actually uses AT&T prepay, so the AT&T software is ok for him).. It was WM 6.1 and his TomTom software works fine.... So don;t let that stop you from using 6.1
I have downloaded the Athine OS WM 6.5 Final as well as the Hyper Dragan III from Christmas day, 08 as many people reccomened... I have to decide between them now... You have any experiance with either?
Flying Kiwi said:
So let me get this right.... You have a standard Tilt, minus the bloatware which you're happy with (and have been) until TomTom stopped working with traffic updates. You're now considering changing the ROM to fix the problem Why not just hard reset after backing up your stuff and do the bloatware free reset trick again? Oh and mods don't like 'ROM Recommendation' type threads (read some of the sticky posts to see why) so if people post saying ROM x is better than y, this thread will probably be locked to stop any arguments breaking out. Also TomTom will be less likely to offer support with cooked ROMs - I was told they wouldn't even support a HTC Default WM 6.1 ROM, only the WM 6.0 ROM the device (and TomTom) came with (one of the reasons why I had my device reverted to WM 6.0). Good luck with your hard reset
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Hi,
I updated my Kaiser using the official T-Mobile upgrade (German) to WM 6.1. Since then, my GPS is very slow to aquire a first fix. When it's up and running, performance is fine, but time-to-first-fix is three to five minutes, sometimes longer.
This even happens when I exit the GPS program, wait a while, then start it again - TTFF will again be more than three minutes.
QuickGPS is running and reporting its data as current. However, the GPS still appears to "cold start" every time, not even remembering its own previous data. With the previous WM 6.0 startup times were fine while clearly dependand on the actuality of QuickGPS data.
Has anybody else observed this behaviour, and is there a tweak to cure it?
Regs,
150d
Just have a quick search for WM6.1 and GPS. Early 6.1 ROMs had very poor GPS performance, there's a huge thread about it. Maybe your T-Mob ROM is one of them. The ultimate solution is switching to a ROM based on a newer build, custom ROMs are all fine by now.
kilrah said:
Just have a quick search for WM6.1 and GPS.
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Did you try that? Just enter anything plus "6.1" and there will be zero results. On the other hand, enter "T-Mobile upgrade GPS" and there will be about 300 pages of results, few of which will even contain the word "T-Mobile".
Either the search function doesn't work or it just doesn't like me.
Early 6.1 ROMs had very poor GPS performance, there's a huge thread about it.
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Could you give me a pointer, please?
The ultimate solution is switching to a ROM based on a newer build, custom ROMs are all fine by now.
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Problem is that I don't want to use a non-official ROM just yet. Additionally, I'm not that keen on doing the installing bit all over again just yet, so I was hoping there was a simpler solution. ;-)
Regs,
150d
150d said:
Did you try that? Just enter anything plus "6.1" and there will be zero results. On the other hand, enter "T-Mobile upgrade GPS" and there will be about 300 pages of results, few of which will even contain the word "T-Mobile".
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OK then, open wide for the train going into the tunnel: [Spoon Feeding Mode]*Hopeless* GPS after 6.1 Update?[/Spoon Feeding Mode]
Problem is that I don't want to use a non-official ROM just yet. Additionally, I'm not that keen on doing the installing bit all over again just yet, so I was hoping there was a simpler solution. ;-)
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There is.... leave it on Windows Mobile 6.0 Even the very latest HTC Official TyTN II ROMs for the European and Asian markets have hopeless GPS here in the UK when compared to the one in my sig. I've not tried any custom or operator provided ROMs so cant comment there. I think the first step should be complaining to T-Mobile that their their latest and greatest ROM upgrade actually broke your GPS and asking them for a solution (if you don't have the original ROM/ability to revert it yourself). If they claim to not know anything about this issue, you can tell them how you found out that it's a common problem.
Hello there,
I bought a week ago a second hand kaiser, and i noticed that it already had the hyper dragon IV lite rom flashed, so i told myself, all the hard work is done, go try some custom roms.
And I did, there was some lite ones, some plenty of softwares, some 6.5, but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
So, in order to be a more independant guy, i searched, and i searched again, i found some useful threads that made my gps work (because it almost wasn't working i bought it), and some others that made GPSTest display high bars on gps detecting but no fix at all (it also screwed my signal, and fu**** up my camera, and that's bad), all that by changing radio roms and trying.
And well i am very tired of trying again and again, feel just like if i was stuck in the middle of nowhere.
So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
I'm living at Brussel in belgium, living in the 5th floor, and testing my gps close to window, or i go to a parc 10 minutes away from home.
I am ready to try almost everything that can guis ALL of US to have a better GPS!
This works for me.
neolander said:
but the thing i want from this phone is: THE GPS and the MP3 player, thos are the most important things for me, since i am all the time moving here and there, i really need them.
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I can relate to that as they are both near the top of my priority list too.
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So, my questions:
Does the gps really work better on 6.0wm than the 6.1 and 6.5?
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In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
Does the gps really work better on stock roms than cooked ones?
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I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
Does the quickgps software really improve the speed to get a FIX?
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As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
How long are the bars your devices display when you activate your GPSTest soft? (i'm having a quarter max, and when i say a quarter, it is really the down limit of the quarter, it rarely go upper)
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I don't (need to) use that software as GPS performs fine without it on my setup.
I have a tomtom 7.450 soft, and this thing is all the time saying bad gps reception (sometimes it even end up screaming no gps harware), is it normal?
So what software do you use for navigation?
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
I really don't care about cooked roms optimisations, fast and everything and all that, i want to be able to answer and emit calls, receive and send SMS, write some notes from time to time, and make GPS working great, wanna have a super fast fix.
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.
I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.
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In my experience solely with Official HTC ROMs (which don't include WM 6.5 of course) yes - and by a longggg shot.
I've heard it does but they'd have to do pretty well to surpass the GPS performance and simplicity I'm getting from my current setup.
As I charge my TyTN II by putting it to bed in its cradle every night (which is connected via USB to my PC on the internet), it automatically updates its QuickGPS data so it's hardly ever more than a day old any way. Often times during a day while I've got an active data connection I'll also manually initiate a QuickGPS download. Interestingly, the HTC Official WM 6.1 'update' for my TyTN II broke this feature and QuickGPS wouldn't automatically update when plugged into its cradle - even manual updates didn't make a difference though as far as WM 6.1 was concerned.
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Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I have version 6.032 which came with my HTC Branded TyTN II on an accompanying CDROM. It's still avail for purchase although for some crazy reason TomTom wont sell version 7 or even an upgrade to it so there's no official way to buy it except for on the devices it comes with. If you get hold of version 6 from TomTom on a device kitted out as per mine, it will work and work well - unless you have lead lined walls and heat reflective film on your windows in which case you'll only get good performance outside.
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Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
I dont have any film on my windows
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Similar priorities to me, the only true speed/performance related area I find important is GPS, reliability is the next preference and thats where the Radio version I'm using comes into things. I found that although 1.27.12.11 gave quick GPS fixes, sometimes when Pocket Media Player was playing a music or video file, it'd stall its playback while waiting for TomTom to get a fix. Radio version 1.27.12.32 fixes this and also gives quick GPS fixes. I have tried even newer radios (2 versions of 1.27.15.32) but alas as is with the case of many of the newer offerings, that was a step backwards in terms of GPS performance (at least here in the UK (/Europe?).
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Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
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There is a section in the xda-dev wiki all about improving GPS performance if you haven't already found it.
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Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
tilt8925kaiser said:
I had tomtom 7 and the gps fix in that software was horrible for me. Even when google maps and gpstest had a good fix, tomtom would say "bad signal" or "no signal. I switched to igo which locks in after a minute and works perfectly. The other problem that could be affecting you might be the radio version. I had one radio that would make my GPS useless; it would never connect. Try changing your radios and see if that helps.
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I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
And like a i said i'll give Igo a shot too
Thank you for your interest, thanks for answering me
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Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again
More than enough to go on
neolander said:
Okay, i'll try to find a stock 6.0 rom and give it a shot, do i have to flash a stock radio rom (even if don't understand how we could modify radio roms...)
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I don't understand what you're getting at. The precise setup in my signature works really well for GPS. If you flash all those components and aren't to far away from the UK, I imagine it'll work well for you - there's no harm in trying.
Well, seems that the guy who sold it to me cracked it, i'll give him a call, and may be switch to Igo or an old version of tomtom
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The map for my 'old' version of TomTom was on special offer (Western Europe 6.75) so you may well pick up a bargain.
I dont have any film on my windows
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I was just kidding about lead lined walls and metalised film covered windows (although many new cars these days have metalised windscreens, so if it doesn't work in your car that may be why).
Just tried this two, and i have no sound on the phone while calling, and no camera (screen remain black)
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Thats because you've not read the relevant ROM Flashing wiki's and stickies enough to know that you must use a WM 6.0 Radio with a WM 6.0 ROM. I suggest you spend more time revising things in this area as it WILL be time well spent and you'll learn more about your device.
Euh, which one? I seen so many articles and articles that i'm not sure if i seen it
Edit: are ou talking about this one? :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
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Thats one of the links in the relavant section have a look at the TomTom Section around two thirds down the Kaiser wiki
I tried so much radios, i don't know what to try again ? I even tried some of the polaris radios ...
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Well you needent. All the details of what works best (as far as stock components go) are in my sig and as Belgium isn't far from the UK, I cant see why it shouldn't work well for you also
Just flashed back to ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
Radio: 1.27.12.32
But gpstest cannot find the gps, and it stucks on com5 while scanning
And when i close GPSTest i cant launch it again
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You did read the part in the wiki about making sure you have a WM 6.0 compatible SPL version didn't you (SPL questions? section covers it well). Again, you need ALL the bits in my sig (note that I don't need or use GPStest under this WM 6.0 setup). I cant say how it'll go with other than TomTom 6 as thats all I've used apart from Google Maps which also works very well on this setup - you might want to try the free Google Maps for testing purposes if you have a data package from your network provider.
I got my current setup by flashing hardSPL 1 then the complete ROM shown in my sig (which came with 1.27.12.11 Radio originally) then upgrading the radio to 1.27.12.32, then flashing the HTC 1.93 spl (this last step shouldn't be necessary though if you think you'll be doing more flashing).
I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible. I can see it getting signal from a number of sats but it can take 10minutes to lock in sometimes. I've read some threads on the subject, and have tried Quick GPS and have aGPS off, but neither guarantees a quick lock.
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.
WM 6.1 GPS - standard stuff
dman7777 said:
I'm using the official WM6.1 and the GPS lock is horrible.
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OK - no surprises there then....
I seem to recall WM6.0 was better but it was also using a different radio then as well.
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You mean like the setup in my signature? You do realise it's possible to go back to this if you read up here on xda-dev about how to do so?
Anyway, sorry nothing I can offer to help.
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I agree, short of trying a custom WM 6.1 ROM, with no guarantee of success or installing third party apps to 'help' the GPS work properly, IMO WM 6.1 is a lost cause as far as GPS is concerned.
I had the same problems with the GPS, what I've found to work is using a program called GPSToday. there are 2 programs, one is a today plugin, and the other is a program. I use the program, and it really makes a difference for me. If you do a search in the Kaiser software forum, you will find more information about it. I use it with TomTom software, i start GPS today a min or 2 before i start tomtom and i get a fix right away.
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I Managed to get my phone configured exactly like yours, and god! It is damnly fast, i got my first fix within seconds, its almost unbelievable !
I had it configured like that when you first advised, but i forgot to downgrade spl, i suppose that was the cause of the malfunctioning.
I really recommend to everyone who have the same priorities, to flash back to Flying Kiwi settings:
ROM Version: 1.56.405.5
ROM Date: 08/28/07
Radio: 1.27.12.32 (better than 1.27.12.11 with WMP)
Protocol: 22.45.88.07H
SPL: 1.93
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Here is the threads that can help you :
For the SPL: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061
For downloading the 1.56.405.5 rom: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_ROMs
For the 1.27.12.32 radio: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_Radio
Man, you really were very helpful, thank you very very very much, and my kaiser is even faster with this settings.
If i can help by anyway send a pm please
This post should be made sticky for future information!
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I have to Warn you Guys: In order to have the GPS working you have to follow this procedure:
Flash the 1.56.405.5 rom and then flash the 1.27.12.32 radio rom, and finally flash the SPL, otherwise GPS will not work, i just tested that
Did the Wm6.0 up/downgrade also resolve the precission of the GPS?
Iam now on WM6.1 WWE with radio 1.70.19.09 and hardSPL 3.56 with a realy fast GPS fix within 30 secs. no problems with that
But the problem is that I mention a little lag kind of thing when navigation with TT7 in my car. The Tomtom arrow is little bit behind with the reality it is usable though but if i connect it to an external sirfIII gps mouse it is more accurate.
So I wonder if you guys also have a slight GPS lag with WM6.0...
in Tomtom