Hello to all. Sorry for my noobitity that will follow
On the screen of Raphael, on the upper right corner there is an arrow pointing down. There when i press it it says a number%, which i assume is the memory used. Now i want a program so when i free up memory that number will go down. Cause i have from SKTOOLS, Free Up Memory, though when i free the memory that number doesn't change at all. So i don't know if it works or not.
(usually it's 53%)
Sorry if i have posted in the wrong section.
Well, you've got a few choices. You can kill processes with a task manager (like dotFred's Task Manager) to free up some memory. Killing cprog.exe will save ~10 MB of ram, but then again, you won't be making phone calls again until you do a soft reset (not bad on an airplane, though). You can only do so much by killing processes. You can turn off Touchflo 3D in Setting-Today. This will save you maybe 6-8% of RAM usage. But, you'll have to live with the Today screen and not TF3D (or, check out Touchflo Detacher in this forum, it works real well). You can remove your bloatware by doing a hard reset and skipping customization. This will save a decent amount of RAM. Finally, you can flash a custom ROM. Most custom ROMs run at ~30-35% RAM usage with TF3D running.
You might look up cleanRAM in the Diamond themes forum. It works better than any other memory aid I've tried (SKTools and Clear Temp).
I'm sorry, I forgot to mention, i have a custom ROM (it's Romeos 1.95.4 by monx). Tough with his previous versions i was at 35%, now i am higher, without changing my installed programs. The issue is that even when i was at 35%,, after using programs it went up to 45% and then when i used free up ram it still said 45%, instead of 35%.
ckyam said:
I'm sorry, I forgot to mention, i have a custom ROM (it's Romeos 1.95.4 by monx). Tough with his previous versions i was at 35%, now i am higher, without changing my installed programs. The issue is that even when i was at 35%,, after using programs it went up to 45% and then when i used free up ram it still said 45%, instead of 35%.
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It sounds like you're minimizing and not killing programs when you close them. Change it so that hitting X kills programs under Settings-Button on the task manager (hit the quick menu arrow and then the wrench icon). And give cleanRAM a shot. It has a very nice custom list that allows you to kill processes that don't stop all the time, like active sync, pword, HTCAlbum.exe and Quickqps.exe. It clears up a lot of memory quickly and reliably. You don't need to soft reset very much when you use it.
Dear Farmer_Ted i have the X to close the programs already. I have also installed the cleanram. Active sync is not running on processes under a name like active_sync or wcescomm (unless it has another name) but i see it in the tasks tab. How can that be possible? not running as a process and running at tasks tab (all tab reffering to task manager)?
After running cleanram i have in use 98MB of Ram.. Is this a good number?
Well, in the processes active sync is called repllog, or something like that. It doesn't take up all that much memory, anyway (maybe 300 KB).
Does that ROM have TP2 manila? That may be your issue. It uses a ton of memory. There's not a whole lot you can do about it.
Yes its repplog you are correct...I can understand though, i've used EliasSyncKiller and SKtools,Notifications Tools, to disable repplog, but it still runs...hm...
Anyway yes the Rom prolly is "heavy..Even a clean install in the best pagepool gave a 38% (tired 0,4,8,12)
Thanks for your help though Farmer_Ted. Btw could you give me a link of a rom ur using/suggesting that is fast loading windows/uses little memory/runs programs fast/stable
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I installed the Rom last night.
Here is the (short) list of program I have installed:
E-TEN Dialer (with Vista Theme)
Inesoft Cash Organizer '05 Premium (with MS Money Sync)
WisBar Advance
Cyberon Voice Commander 1.6
I have set-up my Cingular Data Connection (wap.cingular APN)
I have paired my Jabra BT500 Headset
I have synced my personal Laptop and Work PC via USB Cable.
So far the only Issue I have to report is with setting the Buttons.
When I select an option in the dropdown list, it doesn't match what is assigned (if I select <None> it show <OK/Close> as the assignment). This seems to be the case for everything above "<Today>" in the list. I wonder if it has something to do with the .RegEdit Entry at the top of the list?
P; When I select an option in the dropdown list, it doesn't match what is assigned (if I select <None> it show <OK/Close> as the assignment). This seems to be the case for everything above "<Today>" in the list. I wonder if it has something to do with the .RegEdit Entry at the top of the list
S; remove the regedit entry from phm traylaunch in the accesories folder. and it will be fixed.or
remove the period from the LinkName (in "\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\System" folder)
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about task manager issue;
this is the way it works.i spoke to the develepor,and he said that people requested to work that way.this is not a fault in the rom.
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tahoma.ttf is in the rom,futher more cleartype is enabled by default in the rom.
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the runonce file is a bit temperemental.you have to click several times to run some times.
the runonce file will only run once per hard reset.it was ingenered to do so
Only one problem till now - SMS Notifier doesn't work. It says:"MissingMethodException, File or assembly name 'Microsoft.WindowsMobile.Status, version 1.0.0.0, Culture neutral, Public keyToken 31BF3856AD364E35', or one of its dependencies was not found.
any idea?
faria said:
nice debuging ....i think you are correct.i will see to it.i will remove the file from the rom
dr.p [my second.. hehe] reported the same.
remove the regedit entry from phm traylaunch in the accesories folder. and it will be fixed.
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Actually, all I had to do was remove the period from the LinkName (in "\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\System" folder) and everything is working fine now.
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Only one problem till now - SMS Notifier doesn't work. It says:"MissingMethodException, File or assembly name 'Microsoft.WindowsMobile.Status, version 1.0.0.0, Culture neutral, Public keyToken 31BF3856AD364E35', or one of its dependencies was not found.
any idea?
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yes i thinks is something to do with netcf 2 sp1.i cant find the cause ,it is the same as hichtiker.if noone finds a solucion it will be removed from the rom.
faria said:
yes i thinks is something to do with netcf sp1.i cant find the cause ,it is the same as hichtiker.if noone finds a solucion it will be removed from the rom.
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It is not so important app, so it can be deleted from ROM, I think
I hate to say it, but this rom stalled at 99% on my G4 device. I let it stay that way for 25 minutes before I got worried and reflashed Molski's back on so I can make sure the battery didn't die. Any ideas ?
i would like to see a 8mb pagepool but also would like all thirdparty software removed so testing is accurate.
also it seems that your rom works w/o the ext rom and w/o running runonce but the windows directory is filled with too many extras.
what do you want this test to accomplish?
It works really good. 8MB p.pool is great but not removed third party apps (my opinion)
I don't mind the 3rd party apps
Since they don't waste space (removing them frees up nothing).
As for the Start Menu, I would guess that most "Power Users" either customize this anyway or use a launcher (iLauncher, WA Desktop, etc) so no big deal to me really. I just won't click on something that I don't use.
I am enjoying TCPMP and PHM Tray Launch, which are apps I've never used before.
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i would like to see a 8mb pagepool but also would like all thirdparty software removed so testing is accurate.
also it seems that your rom works w/o the ext rom and w/o running runonce but the windows directory is filled with too many extras.
what do you want this test to accomplish?
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without the runonce installation most softwate and bluethoth etc will fail.
the point of the roms is to have the exras appa without consuming the storage.so u can still install yours.
another first to this rom is that pdf reader is runing from the extended rom!!!!! that took major work.also most apps are higly compressed.pdf reader is 7mb in original form.were mine is 2.9mb.i mean, how do you make something run from a hidden-write-protected drive?????!!
that runonce installer is ther for a reason.
i dont belive that anyone achived to turn cleartype font on automaticly either.i did.
just a few.....
the purpose is to test the rom so i can find out if is good enough to put in the public domain.
like a said before there is plenty roms up there to chose from.
i think it would be better to have as much free program memory as possible rather than worrying about storage memory.
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i think it would be better to have as much free program memory as possible rather than worrying about storage memory.
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removed apps from ROM will not free much programm memory. Only running apps "eats" RAM and you can close it. Like I said, it would be great to change p.pool sizel. I used ROM with 8MB p. pool with Wisbar, iLauncher, SPB Weather, and other apps in ROM and my free RAM was about 26 MB, storage about 38 MB
ok, installed and everithing appears ok exept for 1 lil detail...some of the lnks on startup folder r in rom and cant be deleted (i try to delete them and get an error)... i mean...i hate the tray bar and cant delete as example the bt-init to delete that icon among others to remove that bar...i mean...i know that is dumb to delete programs cause they dont take space on storage, but they DO take space on today screen...other than that detail i think everithing is ok...
kyphur said:
Since they don't waste space (removing them frees up nothing).
As for the Start Menu, I would guess that most "Power Users" either customize this anyway or use a launcher (iLauncher, WA Desktop, etc) so no big deal to me really. I just won't click on something that I don't use.
I am enjoying TCPMP and PHM Tray Launch, which are apps I've never used before.
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how do the 3rd party apps not take up memory or program memory
Faria,
what about make your ROM twice? One with 12MB, second one with 8MB paging pool. Everyone can choose which one to use... It should be the best to decide.
PPC Memory Primer
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how do the 3rd party apps not take up memory or program memory
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The types of Memory that a PPC Device Has:
ROM
Storage Memory
Program Memory
The ROM is where the OS is. There is a defined amout of space on the DOC for the ROM Image. If you Don't fill it up then that extra space is still consumed by the ROM Image and you can't use it. Think of it as a CD, if you burn only 200MB of data onto a single session CD you can't install programs onto the remaining 500MB even though you have that unused capacity.
Storage Memory is like the HardDrive on your PC. When you install programs to "Device" they are stored here. User Data which is not directed to the Sotrage Card is also stored here. The OS makes it appear as though the ROM & Storage Memory are one and the same but they are not.
Program Memory is equivelant to the RAM on your PC. This is the workspace where all of the Apps run and the OS does it's work. Having a program installed doesn't consume RAM. Running the program does.
So....
If the extra apps are embedded into the ROM then all they are doing is filling up space that you normally can't utilize. If it keeps you from having to install 2 programs onto your "device" then it will preserve Storage Memory.
Forget about my suggestion, but something have to be checked, after 2 soft resets now it let me delete the .lnk´s
Did not saw the operator config stuff (i may have missed it), but everything else is fine.
Here is a set of config settings (ppc and smartphone) for all the 3 french operators ... It may be usefull ...
After applying the bouygues one, i send a text message and had notification
kyphur said:
The types of Memory that a PPC Device Has:
ROM
Storage Memory
Program Memory
The ROM is where the OS is. There is a defined amout of space on the DOC for the ROM Image. If you Don't fill it up then that extra space is still consumed by the ROM Image and you can't use it. Think of it as a CD, if you burn only 200MB of data onto a single session CD you can't install programs onto the remaining 500MB even though you have that unused capacity.
Storage Memory is like the HardDrive on your PC. When you install programs to "Device" they are stored here. User Data which is not directed to the Sotrage Card is also stored here. The OS makes it appear as though the ROM & Storage Memory are one and the same but they are not.
Program Memory is equivelant to the RAM on your PC. This is the workspace where all of the Apps run and the OS does it's work. Having a program installed doesn't consume RAM. Running the program does.
So....
If the extra apps are embedded into the ROM then all they are doing is filling up space that you normally can't utilize. If it keeps you from having to install 2 programs onto your "device" then it will preserve Storage Memory.
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so you are saying that even though the extra apps are running they don't use the RAM they use ROM, thats hard to beleive.
Does anyone have / know of a way to restore the program memory back to it's original state without having to soft-reset? I've tried Memaid, Oxios Hibernate, SKTools, etc, etc...
Anyone who has used a Diamond for more than a day will know that program memory just disappears, even after killing all applications and running one of the apps mentioned, it just won't come back! I've discovered some ROM's are better than others, but none of them are what I'd call 'reasonable' at memory managing.
Where does it go to, and why is a soft-reset needed to get all available program memory back? Any development wizzes got an idea on this?
I'm using ipaq 6818 with nhocbanme cooked rom. he was added a software called FREE MEM to OEM but it's only able to recover some of missing memory. Normal memory after soft reset 28 - 30mb. after several times use for activities it'll drop to 17 - 23mb which all app has been killed via task manager. after do free mem it's only recover about 1.5mb and couldn't totally recover like first time after soft reset. but it's Ok for me since this nhocbanme cooked rom is very fast and very very stable for my ipaq 6818. the minus is this rom looks very dark. if u are not change the folders icon
It seems that WM is bad at managing memory and lets a number of bad programs take up space after closing. Opera seems to be one of the worst culprits; I wish we had a better browser for the Diamond.
NoTSR helps sometimes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446928
I rarely use it, prefering to soft reset often.
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It seems that WM is bad at managing memory and lets a number of bad programs take up space after closing. Opera seems to be one of the worst culprits; I wish we had a better browser for the Diamond. QUOTE]
... yes, you're right. Opera seems very 'memory hungry' - can't understand why memory management apps can't release the memory afterwards though. Probably something to do with Microsoft - as usual!!
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Hi, maybe this is a stupid question:
I have a diamond with dib 1.33 rom installed, it's normal that with no open application minimum usage of ram is 77%
thanks
thats a bit high memory usage i think,
mine is at 55% when i have no active applications runing
(rom ver 1.37.407.2 GER)
it is normal if you havent soft rested for few days otherwise change rom
That is high, will make phone slow. Are you closing apps after use by tapping on Today screen Task Manager in upper right hand corner? You can go into tools and change settings that make them close automatically when you close them.
One of the features of WinMo is to have them running, so this might be where you are eating percent use.
Mine gets high dring the course of a couple of days sometimes up 90%
It's fine after a soft reset though - back down to 55-60%
God knows why it gets up so high when there are no applications running.
mine hardly ever hits 50% with normal use (programs set to close on X)
never had to Soft Reset either.
my opinion-go to windows folder find task manager,and you`ll see which processes uses such high ram
After an Hard Reset, a new installation of DIB rom V_1.33, and the installation of some apps, thi is the result: 73% (minimum is 65%).
Any suggestion?
Thanks
The best way is to use a light rom. I use Cloudy 1.1 without manila and then SPB Mobile Shell. I have about 60mB of ram free after a soft reset. After a day or so it reduces to about 50-55mB and that's where it stays with no running programs.
The second best way to increase your available ram without soft resetting is to use the freeram program in SKTools. Or you can use the free ram here: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-cleanram.html.
These should help you.
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The best way is to use a light rom. I use Cloudy 1.1 without manila and then SPB Mobile Shell. I have about 60mB of ram free after a soft reset. After a day or so it reduces to about 50-55mB and that's where it stays with no running programs.
The second best way to increase your available ram without soft resetting is to use the freeram program in SKTools. Or you can use the free ram here: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-cleanram.html.
These should help you.
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just used the free ram app, nice one....found out i had saved 7mb straight off on level two clean
Another variable that no one here discussed is Pagepool. Because the Diamonds lack of memory, it's recommended by chefs to use 10mg. This gives a balance between stability (doesn't use as much Ram as 12mg) but yet has good speed. Most chefs with the new ROMs have already switched to 10mg but it's always good to ask they haven't mentioned it.
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Another variable that no one here discussed is Pagepool. Because the Diamonds lack of memory, it's recommended by chefs to use 10mg. This gives a balance between stability (doesn't use as much Ram as 12mg) but yet has good speed. Most chefs with the new ROMs have already switched to 10mg but it's always good to ask they haven't mentioned it.
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Thanks, I'll try it.
i know there are threads related to this already. and i have searched high and low but nothing has worked for me.
i am currently using this rom - 6.1 WWE ROM shifu V08 M2D|RAM 101|LZX|D3D|Full
its great and works nice but seems to have the same problem with the task manager killing programs.
i have tried the registry tweak and advanced config tool to disable the autokill function and to try and also make it only free memory when there is 1mb left. but it still does it regardless.
if the htc task manager shows 50-60% used memory, and i run a buncha programs like, skype, ie, calc, google maps, etc. it'll show up as approx 70-80% usage, but still kills old programs not in current view!
this is driving me nuts. cus it feels like i have 30% more usage left in my device's ram but that either windows or the htc task manager wont ever let me use...
biggest issue with this is that manila will "sometimes" also be closed. or when switching between programs like tomtom and contacts or calendar. i wanna get info from one program and then go back into another program to paste it or type it, by the time i get there its closed! annoying crap lol
I've been trying to find something about the subject but no luck so I'm posting it here.
I'm not sure if it's just a case of my D2 but the RAM consumption is extremely high. After about 48hrs since the last soft reset, with no application running, the RAM consumtion is whopping 74%!?!?! Reading from the windows Memory card is saying: Program: Total 183.73MB, In use 134.71, Free 49.02MB. Out of supposed 288MB of RAM on D2 this looks quite scary to me, I'm experiencing slowdowns of the system when I'm switching between Opera, Mail, ocassional phone call and Contacts. I hope my D2 is not faulty, but I'd like to hear from you guys if this is a common thing or a problem with my D2. I compared with my colleague's Touch Pro and he's never nowhere near these figures, he gets max to 50%, if that.
Any help is appreciated.
yeah, she's a leaker. I'm sure your device is fine. I think Opera chews up a lot. I notice bigger drops after using Opera.
Have you tried using CleanRam? You'll be pleased with its performance. I usually run it once a day or so and it keeps the memory 50% or lower.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-cleanram.html
The Single biggest thing you can do to speed up your TD2 and release a lot of that RAM is to switch off TF3D. It's a much better phone without it in so many ways.
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yeah, she's a leaker. I'm sure your device is fine. I think Opera chews up a lot. I notice bigger drops after using Opera.
Have you tried using CleanRam? You'll be pleased with its performance. I usually run it once a day or so and it keeps the memory 50% or lower.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-cleanram.html
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this one worked for me..sktools seems dont have enough privilege to kill some exclusive task. One main culprit is opera running in the background all the time..
I have been worried about what I thought was very high memory usage since I've had my TD2. Mine seems to settle at about 75%.
I have also noticed this drops to about 55% with TF3D turned off. As I like the TF3D interface a lot I'm not willing to lose it for the memory gains. I have tried running memory intensive apps like TomTom with TF3D on and off and there doesn't seem to be any significant difference.
I have been using Oxios CloseApps to free up memory. This work pretty well, but I'm going to give CleanRam a go, and see how it compares.
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yeah, she's a leaker. I'm sure your device is fine. I think Opera chews up a lot. I notice bigger drops after using Opera.
Have you tried using CleanRam? You'll be pleased with its performance. I usually run it once a day or so and it keeps the memory 50% or lower.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-cleanram.html
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Many thanks, buddy, the app works a treat! D2 still manages to get to 75% of memory usage after a day or so but at least I don't have to restart to get to down 60%. It is still weird though, 75% of RAM constantly in use without an intervention - is this the way it was designed or just a poorly tuned ROM?
My TD2 stick %64-65 level after one week usage without soft reset .. Even with TF3D
Daily used programs are;
Opera *****
Youtube ***
Chronos alarm * (3 alarm set for morning.. also chrono and timer sometimes..)
iGO8 *
Resco File explorer *
Resco Photo Viewer *
GS Finder *
Pocket Music ***
Pocket Player * (for mono bluetooth headset music transfer at gym )
Core Player ***
Mobibook **
Several games **
* Stars indicate usage frequency for daily usage...
...but i'm upgrade my 1.39 stock rom to new asia 1.40... Before upgrade, it's like yours %75 memory usage or above.. 1.40 rom seems reduce memory consumption..
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Many thanks, buddy, the app works a treat! D2 still manages to get to 75% of memory usage after a day or so but at least I don't have to restart to get to down 60%. It is still weird though, 75% of RAM constantly in use without an intervention - is this the way it was designed or just a poorly tuned ROM?
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Well interesting...my HTC Raphael never goes over 55% and have similar apps in use as you do...
Mine usually is around 55%-60%.
Can I ask how you close opera? Do you just hit the x or do you exit from the menue. i have noticed that when I exit through the menue the ram percent drops significantly. I also saw an increase in batterey when I started exiting through the menue and not the x button.
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Well interesting...my HTC Raphael never goes over 55% and have similar apps in use as you do...
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I already mentioned that in the very first post.. My colleague's Rafael rarely gets over 50%, that's why I started to wonder if there's something wrong with my Topaz
Compared to the Raphael, the TD2 has more memory consuming apps, such as having the Enhanced TF3D with much more functions including the new start menu, new contacts center, new notifications & a higher resolution screen to name a few.
Don't worry about it
Free memory is wasted memory.
Your device should be using all the memory it can to cache all that it can and keep as many of your applications running as possible. That's how your device can switch between apps quickly. If you start another app which requires more memory than is currently available, WM will close one of the least used applications to make room. Until you start that second app, there's no point at all in closing the first one just so that the free/unused/wasted memory figure is increased. Symbian devices have had this behaviour for years and in fact it's been in place in WM for quite a few versions. Glad to hear that HTC's TF3D is making better use of it.
As it happens, Vista now adopts this policy, compared to previous desktop Windows versions: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000688.html.
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i have noticed that when I exit through the menue the ram percent drops significantly. I also saw an increase in batterey when I started exiting through the menue and not the x button.
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This is the ticket with Opera at least. I noticed today that if you tap the X button, it will disappear from the HTC Task Manager so you think it's closed. However, I have SPB Mobile Shell 3.0 and also use its built in task manager assigned to one of my hard buttons. When the HTC TM shows no Opera running, I bring up the SPB one and sure enough it's still running. I wonder if HTC makes an exception to Opera due to the push internet feature so it doesn't appear in the Task Manager.
So, in other words, if you want to close Opera, use the 'Exit' command within the program.
*Any* program can make itself disappear from the user-facing Task List simply by declaring itself as a background task. My own D2 right now is running 14 of these background tasks, including Opera. Think of it like the difference between the "Applications" and "Processes" tabs in the regular Windows Task Manager. It's been suggested that Opera runs all the time to manage the Push Internet pages, although as I've said in an earlier post, there's nothing wrong in it staying around (so long as it's not consuming much CPU/battery), so that it's ready to be pushed to the front immediately when the user requires it.
You can make those "Back Ground" applications appear in the HTC Task Manager by deleting (or renaming) their names in the following registry:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\TaskManager\ExclusiveList\System\