I am not a lawyer and I don't know too much about this... but isn't it illegal to sell apps such as sound boards and pictures that are copyrighted on the market or anywhere for that matter if they don't have the rights from the owners?
I am seeing a bunch of apps on the market with icons from other copyrighted pictures and apps such as soundboards that use copyrighted content. Doesn't it make it illegal for the devs to sell them w / out copyrights?
P.S im not complaining just inquiring.
mmafighter077 said:
I am not a lawyer and I don't know too much about this... but isn't it illegal to sell apps such as sound boards and pictures that are copyrighted on the market or anywhere for that matter if they don't have the rights from the owners?
I am seeing a bunch of apps on the market with icons from other copyrighted pictures and apps such as soundboards that use copyrighted content. Doesn't it make it illegal for the devs to sell them w / out copyrights?
P.S im not complaining just inquiring.
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It probably is illegal, but until someone claims copyright, no one will do anything.
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It probably is illegal, but until someone claims copyright, no one will do anything.
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Well, it would be a good way to clean up the market wouldn't it? =P
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Well, it would be a good way to clean up the market wouldn't it? =P
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Yes, but I don't think if anyone but the copyright holder will complain, Google will do anything.
Well, you could always mark the app as innappropriate and email the dev and stuff...
yea the sound boards are copyright infringement but the themes aren't. the themes use pictures you can find through google and most people dont care about it. You then have the sound boards that use trademark words and catchphrases. selling these would probably be considered illegal just like bootlegging. They take a sound thats supposed to be approved to be sold and sells it without the consent of the people or companies behind it.
If you complain about the paid ones then they'll be taken down along with the free ones because the companies will want to be compensated for the use of their property even in a free way.
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yea the sound boards are copyright infringement but the themes aren't. the themes use pictures you can find through google and most people dont care about it. You then have the sound boards that use trademark words and catchphrases. selling these would probably be considered illegal just like bootlegging. They take a sound thats supposed to be approved to be sold and sells it without the consent of the people or companies behind it.
If you complain about the paid ones then they'll be taken down along with the free ones because the companies will want to be compensated for the use of their property even in a free way.
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Just because you can find an image through Google or find it on a message board, or hanging on a wall in a mall does NOT mean you have any rights to it.
The second point to your argument is right though. Most people won't really care to pursue it.
Now, the things that piss me off are people posting things such as books (military guides for one) and CHARGING for it. It's not their book and if I recall correctly from way back in 1997 when I was in basic training, not supposed to be for the general public.
I've wondered about this as well.
My limited knowledge says that as long as they are using public domain images from the net without any posted copyright notices and they are free on the Market, then they are probably OK.
Those who are selling apps that use copyrighted material are opening themselves up for prosecution.
Now some apps that are for sale.....say Doom for example. You buy the Android port, but you download the proprietary doom.wad file separately after purchase. Now the gray area here is that the Doom app actually is setup to go ahead and download it for you right out of the box. But I think it's using the shareware version, so it's probably OK.
Ditto for MAME....you download the emulator....how and where you obtain the ROMs are your business. Many of the original copyright owners are no longer legal entities anymore, and others that *are* still around have graciously donated their ROMs legally. But there are still plenty of illegal ROMs floating around. I suspect it's just a drop in the bucket compared to music/movie illegal sharing.
In all actuality, as long as the material (photos, music, and video) are public domain you can use them and even charge for them. For instance look at things like South Park and Family Guy. These shows use a lot of copyrighted material as parodies, they pay little to no royalities on these materials. And you might think these TV shows are free to watch, but think where they started... on a paid cable network.
1) Images, sound clips, video, etc. available on the internet are NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN unless noted as such. Do we get away with a lot? Yes... However, it doesn't mean that if someone wanted to pursue the matter, they wouldn't win.
2) It's copyrighted, no such thing as copywritten.
3) The sound clips and video you see on TV are either paid for or they use the "celebrity likeness" legalities which if deemed necessary, we can go into further.
I don't think anyone ever said that things on the net are public domain. And not all parodies are paid for. It all depends on the situation.
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I don't think anyone ever said that things on the net are public domain. And not all parodies are paid for. It all depends on the situation.
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I suppose you have completed law school as well. There are a lot of semantics on this topic.
Long story short, I take offense to people charging for information that isn't public domain (such as field manuals for soldiers).
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For instance look at things like South Park and Family Guy. These shows use a lot of copyrighted material as parodies, they pay little to no royalities on these materials.
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WTF are you talking about? Unless you work in finance for the companies that produce South Park or Family guy you have NO IDEA what they do or don't pay for.
Someone in another forum made a good point. Sometimes the devs are selling the time and coding that allows the app or game to be used on the android. The actual app/ game is not what they are selling.
But I see where that can be a fine line to the owners of the apps. If I made a paid app for the pc and someone ported it to android and are making money off of it and not giving me royalties I would be upset. Even if he was selling his time and his coding. Its my app.
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Someone in another forum made a good point. Sometimes the devs are selling the time and coding that allows the app or game to be used on the android. The actual app/ game is not what they are selling.
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I don't see how that's a good point. If you photocopy a book or copy a CD, you can't sell "your time" that you took to make it. Otherwise people selling copies of DVDs on the street would never get busted. That has to be the most retarded argument I have heard thus far.
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I don't see how that's a good point. If you photocopy a book or copy a CD, you can't sell "your time" that you took to make it. Otherwise people selling copies of DVDs on the street would never get busted. That has to be the most retarded argument I have heard thus far.
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Are you serious?
Making a copy and making a code are two totally different things. I am not saying it is right sell the code for someone elses ported app but to compare simply making a copy to creating a code is like apples and oranges.
Making a photocopy is simply duplicating.... Creating a code so that an app can work for different platform takes time and effort. Its like taking someones invention and enhancing it.
I am also not saying this is legally correct. Its just a good point.
You have to realize that in the instance of a sound board, the copyright holders have no reason to complain especially if it's free.
We are basically looking at free publicity and distribution of the material in a non-profitable manner, meaning, the infringer isn't making money selling the copyrighted works- so why would the owners have a gripe about it?
Now if there were full episodes, or these were being sold, I'm sure they may stand up and say something.
Basically- it appears that it is, in fact, copyright infringement- but there is little to zero reason to file a complaint about it by the copyright holder, why complain about hundreds of thousands of people enjoying your work and all the free publicity with zero negative side effects?
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Are you serious?
Making a copy and making a code are two totally different things. I am not saying it is right sell the code for someone elses ported app but to compare simply making a copy to creating a code is like apples and oranges.
Making a photocopy is simply duplicating.... Creating a code so that an app can work for different platform takes time and effort. Its like taking someones invention and enhancing it.
I am also not saying this is legally correct. Its just a good point.
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If there is one thing that I learned in my copyright law class, it's that you can be a stupid infringer. Meaning, just because something took more time and effort, and you get no profit from it, doesn't mean you aren't an infringer all the same- just a stupid one.
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If there is one thing that I learned in my copyright law class, it's that you can be a stupid infringer. Meaning, just because something took more time and effort, and you get no profit from it, doesn't mean you aren't an infringer all the same- just a stupid one.
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Stupid infringer or not, some of this stuff gets a bit ridiculous. I just found this app, Flash Keyboard, doing pretty much whatever they can to get installs. I've seen fake wallpapers (text bubbles like raindrops), video of a virtual keyboard (not available), and today a post using the images of Snoopy, Mickey & Minnie, and Hello Kitty.
(note: could not provide links, as I'm a new user, but they can be found with a simple facebook search)
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androidplayground (link removed to comply with forum rules, google and take the first result, it's the ****hole in question)
This actually disgusts me.
I won't lie, I'm pro-piracy, and don't mind sites that host apps for free download, but profiting off someone else's work is frankly, sickening.
They do have a contact page, why not let them know how much you appreciate your hard work being stolen?
Looks pretty shady anyway, I'd much rather use the Android Market.
I agree. Charging people do get software you stole is worse than stealing it in the first place IMO.
I feel like I just took a trip back to a 1997 Geocities website
this is pretty much a site that leads to warez and shouldnt be posted. i am just saying.
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this is pretty much a site that leads to warez and shouldnt be posted. i am just saying.
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And changed.
It's being hosted by hostedsolutions, their contact info is here:
http://www.hostedsolutions.com/contact/
I'm sure they'd like to know what's on their servers.
Wow that's ballsy.
They even link back to the xda forums for formatting and rooting info.
And Dev's they are taking paypal payments. File a complaint with Paypal too.
They used a privacy company to hide who they are.
And then they used Tucows address as their domain registration address?
The whois phone number rings to a looped recording telling you to go to the privacy companies website. Which does not seem to work.
To bad these A$$munchs didn't also make the stupid Android7 Flash Player. We could have killed 2 birds with one stone.
If the site ever starts 'offering' SetCPU, I will do whatever is in my legal power to take them down. I can't do anything about those Chinese or Russian websites, but if it's hosted in the USA, they're going down.
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This actually disgusts me.
I won't lie, I'm pro-piracy, and don't mind sites that host apps for free download, but profiting off someone else's work is frankly, sickening.
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Piracy is piracy. Don't think somehow a for-free piracy distribution site is any more justified than a paid one. If anything, for-free distribution sites hurt developers more than paid sites: which one do you think attracts more pirates? (Note: Don't somehow come to the twisted conclusion that I support piracy of any kind; I don't.)
The difference between the two jashsu is that there is a large contingent of the "try before you buy" type of pirates out there. They'll get a warez version of an app, and if they like it, they'll often uninstall it and pay for the market version. However, if they pay for it through a third party website, the original developer never sees that profit.
Thats not to say I support piracy, because I dont. I fully believe that people should be compensated for hard work. I'm more than willing to pay for an app up front, and if it sucks, the dev will find out by reading the refund notice when i uninstall it within 24 hours.
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The difference between the two jashsu is that there is a large contingent of the "try before you buy" type of pirates out there.
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Please show me some numbers. To get the ball rolling, i'll post a link.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...-more-serious-than-first-though-on-iphone.ars
"The numbers that developers might find most interesting are the ones that show "conversion rates" from "lite" versions to full. Only one out of every 14 average users tends to purchase the paid version of an app after using the lite version, which is just under 7.5 percent. For pirates, the conversion rate is less than half a percent, or one out of every 233."
I download apps. If I like 'em, I pay for them. I'll usually go for a "lite" version if one exists. Anyway, rather than have this thread derailed into a debate about piracy, can we get back to the topic at hand?
I've notified the host, lets see if that does anything.
Sigh. Nothing like a little bit of piracy to set a forum on fire. Doesn't matter what forum you're visiting, could be a forum for food - and the first mention of piracy is bound to bring up what I like to call the forum nazis. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and no amount of gestapo trolling will change that. I find it interesting that people break various laws of various countries / cities / states daily and of course, it's overlooked. Someone makes mention of piracy and all of a sudden you've got the ePolice regime banging on your every post as if it were going to change something. What's my point? None, really. (But there again, there's also no point in bashing piracy, it's not going to make it any less existent.)
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Someone makes mention of piracy and all of a sudden you've got the ePolice regime banging on your every post as if it were going to change something.
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I hope you don't think that I assumed my post would change ThrashWolf's perception on piracy. I was merely pointing out how humorously sad this statement is:
This actually disgusts me.
I won't lie, I'm pro-piracy, and don't mind sites that host apps for free download, but profiting off someone else's work is frankly, sickening.
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I mean.. maybe i'm the only one who finds that just a bit hypocritical? I would have been completely okay if he/she just said "hey dudes, theres a paid piracy site, lets get it shut down" or "I like piracy". But to go and say "I am a pirate, but these other pirates disgust me".. idk.. maybe it's just me, but that's just ridiculous.
Then again what do I know?
Also they spam the android market with there links so make sure if you see it report it as spam.
Doesn't anyone pay for their apps anymore ...
I'll admit it, I pirate apps too, but only to either try it or if I have no other way to even purchase the application.
The thing is, being a high-schooler, I have a cheap, prepaid credit card that only allows transactions in USD. Many apps aren't available in the Market in currency other than Euros or Pounds so I have no other choice to use the apps than to pirate them.
This kind of behavior where people are selling pirated copies instead of just making it available for people who otherwise can't even buy them is really annoying though... anybody thought of a way to get them shut down?
I'm honestly debating to pay for a membership and email every dev that has an app on their. The other known site I've already found 6 apps from me on their and they were removed. But since this place charges just to get a peak I'm very tempted to pay and make sure every company knows and can write C&D's to them and the host.
Piracy is always going to be an issue. Always. I have pirated apps before, usually to test out an app update I have already downloaded and refunded from the marketplace. If the update fixes things I had issues with, I will buy it. If not, then I delete it. I have bought and kept 21 apps from the marketplace so far. I believe my use of pirated apps is fair.
I am not trying to justify piracy, but merely stating it is a great tool for me. I am aware that a lot of people pirate apps just so they don't have to pay for them. I believe that is wrong. However when comparing those who distribute an app for free to those that charge for an app that is not theirs, I believe that the one who distributes for free is the lesser of the two evils. The one who distributes for free is going to reach out to more of the potential market yes, but the scumbags who actually charge for apps that someone worked hard on are the true thieves IMO. They affect a lesser share of the potential market, but keep in mind their "share" is willing to make a purchase in the first place, while the freeloaders "share" is questionable in that department.
Just my 2 cents.
Read it and post your opinions on the matter.
http://piratemw.blogspot.com/
I feel it covers ground and is fair to all sides.
2 spelling mistakes in the first sentence alone makes me think it's the gibbering of an idiot.
Didn't bother reading the rest.
To be honest, I don't think "the best article" on anything "to date" will ever appear on a blogspot site.
Moved as not software release.
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2 spelling mistakes in the first sentence alone makes me think it's the gibbering of an idiot.
Didn't bother reading the rest.
To be honest, I don't think "the best article" on anything "to date" will ever appear on a blogspot site.
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it may not be the best but it may worth be reading.everybody is not fluent in english
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elyl said:
2 spelling mistakes in the first sentence alone makes me think it's the gibbering of an idiot.
Didn't bother reading the rest.
To be honest, I don't think "the best article" on anything "to date" will ever appear on a blogspot site.
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What spelling mistakes? You dont even know english and your talking about me. Stupid mofo hahahaha
No need to throw insults about like that
EDIT: Just read it. The ultimate truth? No. I see A LOT of 'good' software that has been pirated, that has come from big developers and the little guy just starting out. They crack for fun/addiction/because they think they are rebels etc, whatever the reason they will do it because THEY CAN, not because there are ethics involved. Seriously, which major company went "Hey guys, our software got pirated on the first day and we didn't make any money from it, let's release something truly innovative so they won't pirate it." Sorry, that is NOT the 'ultimate truth'.
What a pointless article (IMO).
this is bull ****. there are lots of apps cracked that cost only like $10 made by some developer that only has this tiny simple but cool app that most find usefull. So this developer gets 1000 apps sold over 1.000.000 cracked downloads.
Now lets just steel that new Toyota car because it's only a little design change from the last model and some minor changes to the breaks system.
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What spelling mistakes? You dont even know english and your talking about me. Stupid +++ hahahaha
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Please refrain from using bad lenguage and insulting your fellow members
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Ok
1) If you read the whole summary of the truth about piracy Iam not saying piracy is good on a whole level. But if there was no piracy , the games made would be old rehashed garbage. Look at Gameloft games for windows mobile. They basically make the same game over and over with different graphics. That to me is theft selling us non-sense with pretty package.
I know people from both sides of this war. Developers from xda-developers,ppc geeks, and pirates like ppcwarez . Iam not going to sit here and say lets take the developers side on all issues. Thats non-sense , Iam a freeware developer myself , with commercial software too. One-sided thinking will just continue the war. I do support the independent developers , for they make truely innovative original software.
As far as the insult...the man called me out 1st...I just responded.
zarpy said:
Ok
1) If you read the whole summary of the truth about piracy Iam not saying piracy is good on a whole level. But if there was no piracy , the games made would be old rehashed garbage. Look at Gameloft games for windows mobile. They basically make the same game over and over with different graphics. That to me is theft selling us non-sense with pretty package.
I know people from both sides of this war. Developers from xda-developers,ppc geeks, and pirates like ppcwarez . Iam not going to sit here and say lets take the developers side on all issues. Thats non-sense , Iam a freeware developer myself , with commercial software too. One-sided thinking will just continue the war. I do support the independent developers , for they make truely innovative original software.
As far as the insult...the man called me out 1st...I just responded.
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Very interesting
Just make donateware
I immediately think that you're trying to get traffic to your own website rather than discuss the matter here. So rather than go there and read it, I'll discuss it here at XDA, where I'd rather keep my attention and loyalty.
Any law that basically says making a mixed tape for someone else is illegal is complete garbage and media companies can take it and shove it up their a**.
Any law that says I cannot "loan" a movie to someone else, even a complete stranger, and that I have to be responsible for the actions of the person I loaned it to is complete garbage and media companies can take it and shove it up their a**.
Any law that says I'm responsible for what happens to something I loaned someone else is complete garbage and media companies can take that law and shove it up their a**.
Any law that tells me what I can or cannot do with my own property is complete garbage and media companies can take it and shove it up their a**.
Stop enforcing 100-year-old copyright law for media medium that doesn't fit into the law.
Donate to the EFF
http://www.eff.org/
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Ok rorymeadows
1) The link i provided is not to my website but to my blog. All you do is read blogs not join them. My website is www.krenisiswinmobilegamesapps.com and I didnt direct anyone there
2) You blame me saying Iam redirecting people and your loyal to xda-developers? If your so loyal to xda , why are you posting a redirect and telling people to donate to another website? Before you call someone out, check yourself.
Everything else you said , I agree with.
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Ok rorymeadows
1) The link i provided is not to my website but to my blog. All you do is read blogs not join them. My website is www.krenisiswinmobilegamesapps.com and I didnt direct anyone there
2) You blame me saying Iam redirecting people and your loyal to xda-developers? If your so loyal to xda , why are you posting a redirect and telling people to donate to another website? Before you call someone out, check yourself.
Everything else you said , I agree with.
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EFF is a professional organization. Yours is a shameless plug for a teen online journal. Please stay on topic.
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Its you who forces companies to make better and innovative software hoping if they make great software, then people will buy them.
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Sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever. By the same reasoning, stealing televisions should force the manufacturers to make better ones. That is simply wrong.
Not to offend, but to be clear, I find your arguments blinkered and naive. Piracy has very little to do with sticking it to big companies. 99% of the time it's about getting something for free.
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Sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever. By the same reasoning, stealing televisions should force the manufacturers to make better ones. That is simply wrong.
Not to offend, but to be clear, I find your arguments blinkered and naive. Piracy has very little to do with sticking it to big companies. 99% of the time it's about getting something for free.
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I agree. It's not about sticking it to big companies. It should be about revolution with digital media and laws, and electronic freedom.
fairness
So judging by the comments so far , both of you believe hacking and cracking software only hurt companies and developers. Also you believe is there was no more software pirates, that would benefit the consumer. The major companies say the same , cracked software leads to high priced games.
1)False= cracked software does not lead to high priced games. I remember super nintendo was charging $40-$60 a game. So that is false statement.
2)Facted= Cracked and pirated software has been around since early 80's,90's . People were happy around that time period with quality of thier software, so people didnt look for free downloads or cracked software. This isnt just about games Iam including the industry as a whole. This includes movies,music,and video games.
Opinion= I believe once those 3 industries started to make rehashed and low quality products, people started looking toward pirated software. If this isnt true, then this issue would have come up a long time ago.
Now to rorymeadows , no Iam not a teen and I dont sound or act like one.
I have absolutely no idea how you got any of what you said from my post, but you're wrong. That's not what I'm saying at all. You're just assuming things.
I wonder what this post will be about!
Incidentally, you should look at the technological and social changes that have taken place over the last 30 years and factor that into your opinions. Piracy is a bigger issue now simply because it's in your face, in your living room, on the internet and on your PC. 30 years ago it was kids copying tapes with games on them, but no mass forums to make it publicly available. Music was copied, but it was time consuming so not done as quickly as it is today - the same goes for movies (tape-to-tape VHS recorders for example). Times have changed, but the essence of piracy hasn't. Lots of people like stuff that costs nothing. That is the only fact you can state.
Well there's another thing going on, too.
I was browsing the Microsoft Mobile Marketplace last night. One of the programs I found up there was Resco Photo Manager. $60. $60!!!!!!! For THAT?!?!?! A program that I'd probably use 10 times a year is $60??!?!?!?!
I used to work at the college dining hall back in undergrad. People used to steal and steal, pocking pop-tarts, walking out with drinks and subs without paying. It drove the price up more. Yes, stealing jumps the overhead and makes things costlier. But did that stop the stealing? No, in fact, it made it much worse.
johncmolyneux and rorytmeadows both are correct.
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If someone were to upload their music/videos to a cloud service such as amazon cloud or google music, would legal action force the service to open users stored files to scrutiny by investigators looking to sue for copyright infringement?
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I can't see how they could tell the source of the music even if they had access to it. They'd be on very shaky ground legally if they tried to gain access to it anyway. How could they dictate where people store their music?
I am sick and tired of the mafiaa tactics though. They're trying to maintain a stranglehold on their antiquated business models whilst stymying innovation, pretending they care about the artists when all they are really doing is dipping into everyones pockets to make money for themselves.
After lawyers, these people are the worst bottom feeding scum on the planet. I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire, but i would dance on their graves.
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If someone were to upload their music/videos to a cloud service such as amazon cloud or google music, would legal action force the service to open users stored files to scrutiny by investigators looking to sue for copyright infringement?
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Hmm... will be illegal/impossible on several fronts. I'll try explaining from both the legal and technological point of view. We'll start with the legal.
LEGAL
First, they need to prove that the music is:
1. Copyright belongs to them
2. Under your current ownership
3. You didn't get it legally
To do that, they will need to prove that the entire song has been obtained from an illegal source, and that you are currently using/having it.
TECHNOLOGICAL
The limitation is on two ends here:
1. They need to identify the song
2. They need to identify that you've gotten the song illegally
So, long story short, there is a chance for that to happen, because they might be able to prove where you downloaded the music from.
Stay safe. Stay behind 7 proxies.
So to be clear, you could be facing a lawsuit. Need some more info on this. I want to use these services, but...
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I can't see how they could tell the source of the music even if they had access to it. They'd be on very shaky ground legally if they tried to gain access to it anyway. How could they dictate where people store their music?
I am sick and tired of the mafiaa tactics though. They're trying to maintain a stranglehold on their antiquated business models whilst stymying innovation, pretending they care about the artists when all they are really doing is dipping into everyones pockets to make money for themselves.
After lawyers, these people are the worst bottom feeding scum on the planet. I wouldn't piss on one if they were on fire, but i would dance on their graves.
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Dance on their grave while pissing your pants?
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If someone were to upload their music/videos to a cloud service such as amazon cloud or google music, would legal action force the service to open users stored files to scrutiny by investigators looking to sue for copyright infringement?
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Question is i guess is: How would the cloud server even now if its Legit or not ?
although i hope that it would all be legally paid for
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Dance on their grave while pissing your pants?
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Wouldn't be the first time....
This is on-topic:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/27/robertson_predicts_cloud_music_victor/
Let's hope EMI lose this case.
I do not think it will happen.
When I first read about the Amazon Cloud service, almost every news article said that Amazon themselves might be getting sued for the service. I did/do not understand this either. Seeing as it is my music, and Amazon is offering a storage space for it, why could it bring any lawsuit to Amazon?
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I do not think it will happen.
When I first read about the Amazon Cloud service, almost every news article said that Amazon themselves might be getting sued for the service. I did/do not understand this either. Seeing as it is my music, and Amazon is offering a storage space for it, why could it bring any lawsuit to Amazon?
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Because big media don't want you to do anything with the music that you paid for without being able to charge you more for doing it.
Don't forget that you don't own that music. You're only paying for the right to use it under their terms and conditions.
Any other news on this. Any press etc.
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Anybody have any more news on this topic?
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Back in the good old days of LP's and cassettes, nobody ever threatened a lawsuit if you made a cassette copy of a record or of another cassette.
Edit: That is, unless you made a couple of hundred copies and were selling them on the street corner.
TravisBean said:
Back in the good old days of LP's and cassettes, nobody ever threatened a lawsuit if you made a cassette copy of a record or of another cassette.
Edit: That is, unless you made a couple of hundred copies and were selling them on the street corner.
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Actually, they did, but it wasn't widespread, and the business model wasn't that good. Now we have organized crime in Asia doing it.
Unfortunately, FBI shutdown Megaupload. Is there any way that they would be back up and running again or they are screwed. Furthermore, would the paid members of megaupload get their money back if they can't provide service?
Hosting pirated software and movies etc. is illegal. Do it enough and you get shut down.
The official thing I read said that they had been profiting from hosting copyrighted materials so they were shut down.
The usual mantra of saying that they can't be held responsible for what people upload to their service finally failed these guys.
I worry that it doesn't bode well for some other services, if they can prove that companies are profiting from copyright materials in the same way.
Technically even Youtube could fall foul of it too. Even though they have their method for reporting and taking down videos - which is flawed in itself and is abused by film, music and tv companies anyway
Archer said:
Hosting pirated software and movies etc. is illegal. Do it enough and you get shut down.
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That's a totally simplistic (too simplistic) view on the matter. Megaupload was responding to DMCA takedown notices, so from this perspective, the "safe harbor" rules of the DMCA applied. Well, they should have. But of course the media industry came up with a whole bunch of stuff that removed the safe harbor protection from Megaupload. And the people behind MU were being a bit stupid as well, that helped the media industry make their case. This can serve as a lesson to others, to not repeat the same mistakes.
Gusar321 said:
That's a totally simplistic (too simplistic) view on the matter. Megaupload was responding to DMCA takedown notices, so from this perspective, the "safe harbor" rules of the DMCA applied. Well, they should have. But of course the media industry came up with a whole bunch of BS that removed the safe harbor protection from Megaupload.
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If there was no illegal material on the site it would still be up and running.
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If there was no illegal material on the site it would still be up and running.
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Why are you here at XDA? There's "illegal" material here. So by your simplistic views, XDA should be shut down. Also, Google links to "illegal" material, and even caches some of it in their internal caches. Down with Google!! Etc, etc, etc, I think you get the picture (or probably you still don't).
Gusar321 said:
Why are you here at XDA? There's "illegal" material here. So by your simplistic views, XDA should be shut down. Also, Google links to "illegal" material, and even caches some of it in their internal caches. Down with Google!! Etc, etc, etc, I think you get the picture (or probably you still don't).
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Er, I didn't actually state an opinion on the matter. What makes you think I agree with it at all?
I was just answering a question.
who cares...
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If there was no illegal material on the site it would still be up and running.
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That comment is just too ignorant and shows that u dont have actual knowledge of the case.
Illegal is a broad term, so broad that it can mean your mom having a photo on her desktop that you shot with your camera and she put without permission
And personally i dont think the site went down just because of that..
Xxul said:
That comment is just too ignorant and shows that u dont have actual knowledge of the case.
Illegal is a broad term, so broad that it can mean your mom having a photo on her desktop that you shot with your camera and she put without permission
And personally i dont think the site went down just because of that..
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It's not in the slightest bit ignorant, and neither am I. There's quite a lot of assumption going on in this thread about my posts.
sadly this will be the way of most all sharing sites.....eventually me thinks
peer to peer = piracy (mostly) i kind of like this though
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It's not in the slightest bit ignorant, and neither am I. There's quite a lot of assumption going on in this thread about my posts.
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Because we all love u and care about u
I believe that they closed megaupload or filesonic today for one and mostly reason!Which are the money!The big companies want share from their profits because we are talking about millions!Thats why they care about it!
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Because we all love u and care about u
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Maybe I'm slightly skeptical, but I detect sarcasm.
So... how are we going to share ROMS or programs that is built by developers? Even the government legalized rooting phones and tablets, so I wonder how would the distribution be like. Otherwise, we might need a private web space to be able to by-pass FBI. I mean yeah, I am against piracy and all that crap. But this legal stuff that we are sharing through Android Dev, businesses will slow down. I know there are many options out there but, after several months? perhaps, they could be shutdown as well.
MegaUpload was the best file hosting service online I've ever used. Too bad they get theirself in this kinda crap.
Although,they are already rebuilding megaupload in other country,where those laws aren't applicable.
man this really sucks. i use that website all the time.
one word SOPA
dsr17eagle said:
one word SOPA
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Me gusta a la sopa
Well even though FBI tries hard enough to muzzle internet's freedom, I think people that care about it, will always be a step ahead and find different ways to share files, thoughts and everything!
So, today we were assigned to write a 3-5 minute persuasive speech for Engrish class. My topic is "why piracy is not bad".
Can you guys help with some arguments?
Thanks!
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Why piracy isn't bad? That's the first!
Piracy is essentially "copying" rather than thievery.
Art shouldn't be "owned" it belongs to the people.
Content makers refuse to make art freely available and instead force people to "pirate" it to have it at their fingertips in the new digital age.
And finally XDA isn't the place for this discussion.
iurnait said:
So, today we were assigned to write a 3-5 minute persuasive speech for Engrish class. My topic is "why piracy is not bad".
Can you guys help with some arguments?
Thanks!
Mods: let me know if this is inappropriate for this forum.
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Good subject and certainly interesting.
However I don't see this topic lasting long because it enters an area that XDA would rather not have discussed in the forum sections.
Good luck with your paper!
Piracy, per say the duplication and distribution of copyrighted material, is not considered good in any way. Its illegal and promoting it is not allowed on XDA.
Sent from the phalanges of my hand to the facet of your cranium.
Um piracy is bad.
It's obtaining a copy of copyrighted material. Yea, it's fine to install it, but once you use any tool to not pay for activation, that's where it gets illegal.
Same with music. And art should not belong to the people. Then what would copyrights be for? You think I want my photos to be freely available to everyone without any compensation?
They call it piracy and stealing
-i prefer to call it freedom!
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What kind of piracy? Torrenting, illegal file sharing, ripping movies?
This video would be great for statistics . . .
If I take a picture with my phone's camera of the Mona Lisa and print it life size (which is quite small) on a photoprinter to hang in my living room, it's legal.
If I film a film with my phone's camera to review later at home, it's illegal, while I'm doing the exact same thing .
Piracy has been the stepping stone for many young artists. A recordscompany asks insane amounts of money to publicize your music, money which no starting artist has. Radiochannels won't play your music without you paying them for it. Pop it on youtube/tpb and it doesn't cost you thing, and it reaches everyone.
That is why so many people are made to believe piracy is bad: it's missed income for companies. Not the artists, the companies. Of the song you buy, 8 cents at mos goes to the artist. the rest goes to the label and copyright company. Ditto for games, the 3D artists and scriptors get a low pay, while the company and coyright company earns big bucks for doing nothing. That is fundementally wrong. Money should go to those who earn it, not those who profit off other people's work! And guess what they blame pirates for: doing what the copyright company does.
What people dont seem to understand is that piracy is not the same as copyright infringement. When you take someone else's product and claim it as your own, that is copyright infringement.
I'm a graphic designer, I deal with copyright daily. Having someone else post my work on his tumblr with credit is perfectly fine. As long as he doesn't call it his own work!. See the core issue, there? Credit where credit is due. Nobody on TPB is claiming a film made in Hollywood as his own, they're not infringing on anyone's copyright, and they're not making money off it.
If you consider sharing anything with copyright as illegal, you are also not allowed to like stuff on facebook (it shares), retweet something (sharing someone else's tweet)... (Which is what SOPA and ACTA would have done. They would have completely destroyed the free internet. Just so someone else can make money. It was never about censorship, it was about money. (If it isn't about sex, it's about money and power. The very core of humanity, right there.)
Used to be you could go to a music store and listen to the whole album. Now, you can't. Oh you can listen to samples on iTues, but if you don't have a credit card, which millions of people dont, you can't get into the itunes store. Everywhere else you have to pay to listen.
The same goes for Google Play. In europe we use Maestro, not credit cards. (Direct withdrawel). You can't get a credit card if you don't have a steady, high income, and paying with them in stores costs extra, if its even possible. Google Play only works with credit cards (to use mobile payment, you need to make a wallet account, which requires a credit card.) so everyone under 25 of the 750 million nhabitant of Europe can't buy apps in google play. Devs can whine all they want, that's just the fact. They (we) literally can't buy your apps! As such, piracy becomes the only option.
Sony has recently been looking into new ways to make 2nd hand games impossible. Many a company preceeded this. Thus taking away your right to sell what you don't need. Simply because they don't get income from 2nd hand games.
Piracy is a way to tell the greedy companies that we don't accept their near mob-related practises. A lot less destructive than rioting, I'd say.
And last but not least: The European Court Of Human Rights has recently declared convictions for file sharing to be in direct violation of Human Rights. Dear America, Welcome to the 21st century. Where the EU is the more civilized continent. They can no longer convict anyone in Europe for file sharing.
http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/07/cou...tions-for-file-sharing-violates-human-rights/
Essentially, it's only 'piracy' because people are missing out on money when people share things. And that's why piracy isn't wrong: Greed is.
Hope some of this is of use I'm in a lecture on research, so plenty of time to type a rant or two (I actually did a paper on this topic for uni...)
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ShadowLea said:
If I take a picture with my phone's camera of the Mona Lisa and print it life size (which is quite small) on a photoprinter to hang in my living room, it's legal.
If I film a film with my phone's camera to review later at home, it's illegal, while I'm doing the exact same thing .
Piracy has been the stepping stone for many young artists. A recordscompany asks insane amounts of money to publicize your music, money which no starting artist has. Radiochannels won't play your music without you paying them for it. Pop it on youtube/tpb and it doesn't cost you thing, and it reaches everyone.
That is why so many people are made to believe piracy is bad: it's missed income for companies. Not the artists, the companies. Of the song you buy, 8 cents at mos goes to the artist. the rest goes to the label and copyright company. Ditto for games, the 3D artists and scriptors get a low pay, while the company and coyright company earns big bucks for doing nothing. That is fundementally wrong. Money should go to those who earn it, not those who profit off other people's work! And guess what they blame pirates for: doing what the copyright company does.
What people dont seem to understand is that piracy is not the same as copyright infringement. When you take someone else's product and claim it as your own, that is copyright infringement.
I'm a graphic designer, I deal with copyright daily. Having someone else post my work on his tumblr with credit is perfectly fine. As long as he doesn't call it his own work!. See the core issue, there? Credit where credit is due. Nobody on TPB is claiming a film made in Hollywood as his own, they're not infringing on anyone's copyright, and they're not making money off it.
If you consider sharing anything with copyright as illegal, you are also not allowed to like stuff on facebook (it shares), retweet something (sharing someone else's tweet)... (Which is what SOPA and ACTA would have done. They would have completely destroyed the free internet. Just so someone else can make money. It was never about censorship, it was about money. (If it isn't about sex, it's about money and power. The very core of humanity, right there.)
Used to be you could go to a music store and listen to the whole album. Now, you can't. Oh you can listen to samples on iTues, but if you don't have a credit card, which millions of people dont, you can't get into the itunes store. Everywhere else you have to pay to listen.
The same goes for Google Play. In europe we use Maestro, not credit cards. (Direct withdrawel). You can't get a credit card if you don't have a steady, high income, and paying with them in stores costs extra, if its even possible. Google Play only works with credit cards (to use mobile payment, you need to make a wallet account, which requires a credit card.) so everyone under 25 of the 750 million nhabitant of Europe can't buy apps in google play. Devs can whine all they want, that's just the fact. They (we) literally can't buy your apps! As such, piracy becomes the only option.
Sony has recently been looking into new ways to make 2nd hand games impossible. Many a company preceeded this. Thus taking away your right to sell what you don't need. Simply because they don't get income from 2nd hand games.
Piracy is a way to tell the greedy companies that we don't accept their near mob-related practises. A lot less destructive than rioting, I'd say.
And last but not least: The European Court Of Human Rights has recently declared convictions for file sharing to be in direct violation of Human Rights. Dear America, Welcome to the 21st century. Where the EU is the more civilized continent. They can no longer convict anyone in Europe for file sharing.
http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/07/cou...tions-for-file-sharing-violates-human-rights/
Essentially, it's only 'piracy' because people are missing out on money when people share things. And that's why piracy isn't wrong: Greed is.
Hope some of this is of use I'm in a lecture on research, so plenty of time to type a rant or two (I actually did a paper on this topic for uni...)
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I cried a little while reading it Xd
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This is one well known author's views on piracy, enjoy the argument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Is the chemical aftertaste the reason why people eat hot dogs, or is it some kind of bonus?
Neil Gaiman
jugg1es said:
This is one well known author's views on piracy, enjoy the argument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Is the chemical aftertaste the reason why people eat hot dogs, or is it some kind of bonus?
Neil Gaiman
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Thank you for linking jugg1es...found this fascinating!
Some people simply cannot access content without pirating then when they do they become fans and now feel glad to pay