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Petition to rid the market if Khalid Shaikh's apps!

I browse the market every day and I see this guy putting apps that consistently get low reviews. His highest ranking app is 3 stars. He spams the market with apps that are overpriced photo galleries that show pics and play sounds of one specific thing. I think we should help him get the message that his high refund/low ranking rates are not giving him. Please reply if you agree that his apps need to stop spamming the market. If you have not tried one yet, look here. I am not doing this to be mean, but he needs to be told not to quit his day job.

Where's the option for "No. I dislike spam apps, but I hate censorship more." ?

So if his apps were malicious would you vote to have them removed? Do you feel spam filters on email are censorship? They fill your box with junk in hopes of making a few dollars off of you. I am against censorship but his apps are rediculous.

So if his apps were malicious would you vote to have them removed?
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There are rules in place for the Market in regards to malicious apps. There would be no need to vote because the gatekeepers of the Market have already said malicious apps would be removed.
Do you feel spam filters on email are censorship?
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Of course not. The key difference is who gets to decide what is removed. With a spam filter, each user gets to decide whether he wants to see content or not. Any system that removes apps from the Market (that aren't infringing the basic rules as stated above) without your knowledge and consent is basically censorship, whether the decision is made by ten people at Google or a hundred people on xda-dev.

Not if your email provider passes your email through spamhaus you dont. Also I would ****LOVE**** to have a configureable filter but I doubt we will. As an acceptable alternative, I would like for consistantly low rated and highly returned items to be removed. Guess what walmart does if a product gets returned 80% of the time it is sold. Do they ask you?
Also, I am not trying to start a fight with anyone, just stating my view on the subject.

Darkrift said:
Also, I am not trying to start a fight with anyone, just stating my view on the subject.
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I don't care to start a fight either; I'm just pointing out that what you are proposing is a path down a slippery slope, and it generally goes against the "open participation" ethos of Android. You should also keep in mind that one person's junk may be another mans treasure. Would I ever buy one of Khalid's lame $5 joke apps (literally, they're joke books!)? No probably not. That doesn't mean that someone else might not want it.
Edit: Just as an example, back in the early days of Market before developers could geotarget the regions for distribution, some Chinese developers put up some app whose interface was completely Chinese. I think it was a Chinese input method or a frontend for a Chinese website. Regardless, the ignorant fresh T-Mobile masses downloaded it, didn't understand what it was for, and then promptly uninstalled it and rated it zero stars. If you do a filtering system based on ratings, you are giving every uninformed ignoramus an equal say in whether an app is allowed to stay or go.

The Markets sucks! It needs the possibility for user to set their own filter
e.g.
dont show apps publiced by Khalid Shaikh! lower than 2stars, more expensive than x$ and so on..
only show apps of a specifig language (e.g. for traffic,taxi,bus,tv gadgets..)
sort for recently updated and so on .. that's what the market app really needs!

bassbox said:
The Markets sucks! It needs the possibility for user to set their own filter
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dont show apps publiced by Khalid Shaikh! lower than 2stars, more expensive than x$ and so on..
only show apps of a specifig language (e.g. for traffic,taxi,bus,tv gadgets..)
sort for recently updated and so on .. that's what the market app really needs!
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Yes, the market app needs customizable local (meaning on a user's own device) filters. That will partially solve the problem of crap apps littering the marketplace. However, I think overhauling Market client is low on the Google Android team's priority list. Unfortunately since it is a proprietary closed source app, there is no way for the dev community to take the matter into its own hands.

You would think that the king of searching would have some sort of decent searching on their own platform..

jashsu said:
Yes, the market app needs customizable local (meaning on a user's own device) filters. That will partially solve the problem of crap apps littering the marketplace. However, I think overhauling Market client is low on the Google Android team's priority list. Unfortunately since it is a proprietary closed source app, there is no way for the dev community to take the matter into its own hands.
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I am planning on developing an interface to the Market which allows for custom filters. I have a prototype Yahoo Pipe, which uses Cyrket to display Market data and allow simple filters. Basically, I can filter out apps that have certain words in the title, are from a certain developer (or more than one), or are below a certain rating threshold.
I will have to agree though on the statement about censorship. While it is true that his apps may be without any true merit, I do not believe that they are (or he is) breaking any of the Market rules or developer agreements. Unfortunately, as we've seen in the the "free" market and the iPhone AppStore, people are willing to download and even spend money on useless apps. I think as long as there is a market for this type of app we will continue to see them. Now, unfortunately that means we all have to deal with him, his apps, and others like him and his apps until either the Market allows for better filtering/sorting or a developer creates this for the community... It is much needed nonetheless.

nEx.Software said:
I am planning on developing an interface to the Market which allows for custom filters. I have a prototype Yahoo Pipe, which uses Cyrket to display Market data and allow simple filters. Basically, I can filter out apps that have certain words in the title, are from a certain developer (or more than one), or are below a certain rating threshold.
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thats awesome. if its anything like BarTor its going to be good

nEx.Software said:
I am planning on developing an interface to the Market which allows for custom filters. I have a prototype Yahoo Pipe, which uses Cyrket to display Market data and allow simple filters. Basically, I can filter out apps that have certain words in the title, are from a certain developer (or more than one), or are below a certain rating threshold.
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That's good to hear. What I meant is that the actual Market App itself cannot be modified to work the way we want it to. While being able to display Market data with filtering on a PC is nice, the bulk majority of users are still going to be suffering the standard Market app interface.
Unfortunately, as we've seen in the the "free" market and the iPhone AppStore, people are willing to download and even spend money on useless apps. I think as long as there is a market for this type of app we will continue to see them. Now, unfortunately that means we all have to deal with him, his apps, and others like him
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There will be more, that much I can assure you. As the Android platform grows, there will be more opportunist developers seeking to make a quick buck. It really is like spam. You throw a line out and because digital publishing is free, anything you get back is profit. There is basically no monetary risk involved in creating and distributing crapware. Atleast we won't have to suffer iPhone's idiotic ninety-nine cent "custom" name dialers. Although the number of soundboards posted daily is reaching dangerous limits...

I intend to make it an Android app. While it won't be a permanent fix,it might be what is needed to get Google moving on updates to the official Market app.
Anyway, on another note. I haven't looked at any one of the apps in question but I would venture a guess that they are in violation of copyright laws and as we have seen with the Tetris clones, Google does take action on matters of copyright. Maybe the best recourse then is to inform this developer of the copyright issues either directly or through Google.
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Frankly i can't agree with having a dev (does this word really apply in this case) removed from the market for producing crap. However i am completely in favour of spamming his inbox with as much crap as i can possibly manage just to see how he likes it. Free porn search here i come!
Anyone wants to help it's --EMAIL REMOVED-- Yes this is a very childish response but i'm pissed with having to sift through his crap every morning, i think it's only fair!
Ideally google can resolve this issue by allowing to create a list of blocked developers. And the ability to block any apps containing the word soundboard would make my day

nEx.Software an app that was basically cryket.com for the android would be awesome. What would really be sweet was if it had an independant comment system that was filterable as well. So we could ban commenters based on their username, words, etc... Filtering by ratings, developer, keywords, etc.. I love it already. Just link the products to their entries in the market. Basically, cryket for the android with comments... I CAN HAZ IT NOW PLZ K?

Also, I'd love to add IndiaNIC, LLC to the filter list. I'm sure *someone* out there likes that they're putting out 300 e-books about India a day, but I'm sure tired of scrolling past them.

The last thing I'd want is to see rigorous policing on the Android Market. He's spreading expensive crapware but I'm sure people are buying it and I'm sure some actually enjoyed it. I don't think removing his apps from the market is the best solution, keep the market as free from censorship as possible if you ask me.
I think the best solution is market search filters as discussed above.

I agree, the ability to "ignore" certain developers would be nice. The new developer I would instantly add to this list would be IndiaNIC, LLC. or whatever the hell they are called. They have about 40 apps on the market, and I don't think a single one has a comment.
/if anyone affiliated with IndiaNIC, LLC reads this, no offense, but please get the message when nobody is buying what you're selling

The more I think about it, the more I realize a filter would be a better idea than removing junk from the market. While I do not agree that anyone will find his apps useful, I do see the point in letting them choose. But at the same time we should be able to choose not to see his crap. As for IndiaNIC, I disagree with placing them in the same category. They have products with good ratings and seem to be making at least SOME useful apps. While I agree they put out too many at once, they seem to have a market for their apps unlike Khalid Shaikh.
Still, a filter would be better for all. I wish I could edit the poll now to add that as an option

ryan75 said:
/if anyone affiliated with IndiaNIC, LLC reads this, no offense, but please get the message when nobody is buying what you're selling
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Spammers don't need to "get the message"! They know exactly what they are selling (junk). The whole point is they are trying to make a quick buck. And in the immortal words of P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute."
Nevermind the fact that all of those texts can be downloaded for free from manybooks or feedbooks and then read on FBReaderJ...

Copyright infringment all over the market

I am not a lawyer and I don't know too much about this... but isn't it illegal to sell apps such as sound boards and pictures that are copyrighted on the market or anywhere for that matter if they don't have the rights from the owners?
I am seeing a bunch of apps on the market with icons from other copyrighted pictures and apps such as soundboards that use copyrighted content. Doesn't it make it illegal for the devs to sell them w / out copyrights?
P.S im not complaining just inquiring.

mmafighter077 said:
I am not a lawyer and I don't know too much about this... but isn't it illegal to sell apps such as sound boards and pictures that are copyrighted on the market or anywhere for that matter if they don't have the rights from the owners?
I am seeing a bunch of apps on the market with icons from other copyrighted pictures and apps such as soundboards that use copyrighted content. Doesn't it make it illegal for the devs to sell them w / out copyrights?
P.S im not complaining just inquiring.
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It probably is illegal, but until someone claims copyright, no one will do anything.

Karolis said:
It probably is illegal, but until someone claims copyright, no one will do anything.
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Well, it would be a good way to clean up the market wouldn't it? =P

amgupt01 said:
Well, it would be a good way to clean up the market wouldn't it? =P
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Yes, but I don't think if anyone but the copyright holder will complain, Google will do anything.

Well, you could always mark the app as innappropriate and email the dev and stuff...

yea the sound boards are copyright infringement but the themes aren't. the themes use pictures you can find through google and most people dont care about it. You then have the sound boards that use trademark words and catchphrases. selling these would probably be considered illegal just like bootlegging. They take a sound thats supposed to be approved to be sold and sells it without the consent of the people or companies behind it.
If you complain about the paid ones then they'll be taken down along with the free ones because the companies will want to be compensated for the use of their property even in a free way.

whoops double post lol

wizern23 said:
yea the sound boards are copyright infringement but the themes aren't. the themes use pictures you can find through google and most people dont care about it. You then have the sound boards that use trademark words and catchphrases. selling these would probably be considered illegal just like bootlegging. They take a sound thats supposed to be approved to be sold and sells it without the consent of the people or companies behind it.
If you complain about the paid ones then they'll be taken down along with the free ones because the companies will want to be compensated for the use of their property even in a free way.
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Just because you can find an image through Google or find it on a message board, or hanging on a wall in a mall does NOT mean you have any rights to it.
The second point to your argument is right though. Most people won't really care to pursue it.
Now, the things that piss me off are people posting things such as books (military guides for one) and CHARGING for it. It's not their book and if I recall correctly from way back in 1997 when I was in basic training, not supposed to be for the general public.

I've wondered about this as well.
My limited knowledge says that as long as they are using public domain images from the net without any posted copyright notices and they are free on the Market, then they are probably OK.
Those who are selling apps that use copyrighted material are opening themselves up for prosecution.
Now some apps that are for sale.....say Doom for example. You buy the Android port, but you download the proprietary doom.wad file separately after purchase. Now the gray area here is that the Doom app actually is setup to go ahead and download it for you right out of the box. But I think it's using the shareware version, so it's probably OK.
Ditto for MAME....you download the emulator....how and where you obtain the ROMs are your business. Many of the original copyright owners are no longer legal entities anymore, and others that *are* still around have graciously donated their ROMs legally. But there are still plenty of illegal ROMs floating around. I suspect it's just a drop in the bucket compared to music/movie illegal sharing.

In all actuality, as long as the material (photos, music, and video) are public domain you can use them and even charge for them. For instance look at things like South Park and Family Guy. These shows use a lot of copyrighted material as parodies, they pay little to no royalities on these materials. And you might think these TV shows are free to watch, but think where they started... on a paid cable network.

1) Images, sound clips, video, etc. available on the internet are NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN unless noted as such. Do we get away with a lot? Yes... However, it doesn't mean that if someone wanted to pursue the matter, they wouldn't win.
2) It's copyrighted, no such thing as copywritten.
3) The sound clips and video you see on TV are either paid for or they use the "celebrity likeness" legalities which if deemed necessary, we can go into further.

I don't think anyone ever said that things on the net are public domain. And not all parodies are paid for. It all depends on the situation.

neoobs said:
I don't think anyone ever said that things on the net are public domain. And not all parodies are paid for. It all depends on the situation.
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I suppose you have completed law school as well. There are a lot of semantics on this topic.
Long story short, I take offense to people charging for information that isn't public domain (such as field manuals for soldiers).

neoobs said:
For instance look at things like South Park and Family Guy. These shows use a lot of copyrighted material as parodies, they pay little to no royalities on these materials.
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WTF are you talking about? Unless you work in finance for the companies that produce South Park or Family guy you have NO IDEA what they do or don't pay for.

Someone in another forum made a good point. Sometimes the devs are selling the time and coding that allows the app or game to be used on the android. The actual app/ game is not what they are selling.
But I see where that can be a fine line to the owners of the apps. If I made a paid app for the pc and someone ported it to android and are making money off of it and not giving me royalties I would be upset. Even if he was selling his time and his coding. Its my app.

mmafighter077 said:
Someone in another forum made a good point. Sometimes the devs are selling the time and coding that allows the app or game to be used on the android. The actual app/ game is not what they are selling.
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I don't see how that's a good point. If you photocopy a book or copy a CD, you can't sell "your time" that you took to make it. Otherwise people selling copies of DVDs on the street would never get busted. That has to be the most retarded argument I have heard thus far.

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I don't see how that's a good point. If you photocopy a book or copy a CD, you can't sell "your time" that you took to make it. Otherwise people selling copies of DVDs on the street would never get busted. That has to be the most retarded argument I have heard thus far.
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Are you serious?
Making a copy and making a code are two totally different things. I am not saying it is right sell the code for someone elses ported app but to compare simply making a copy to creating a code is like apples and oranges.
Making a photocopy is simply duplicating.... Creating a code so that an app can work for different platform takes time and effort. Its like taking someones invention and enhancing it.
I am also not saying this is legally correct. Its just a good point.

You have to realize that in the instance of a sound board, the copyright holders have no reason to complain especially if it's free.
We are basically looking at free publicity and distribution of the material in a non-profitable manner, meaning, the infringer isn't making money selling the copyrighted works- so why would the owners have a gripe about it?
Now if there were full episodes, or these were being sold, I'm sure they may stand up and say something.
Basically- it appears that it is, in fact, copyright infringement- but there is little to zero reason to file a complaint about it by the copyright holder, why complain about hundreds of thousands of people enjoying your work and all the free publicity with zero negative side effects?

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Are you serious?
Making a copy and making a code are two totally different things. I am not saying it is right sell the code for someone elses ported app but to compare simply making a copy to creating a code is like apples and oranges.
Making a photocopy is simply duplicating.... Creating a code so that an app can work for different platform takes time and effort. Its like taking someones invention and enhancing it.
I am also not saying this is legally correct. Its just a good point.
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If there is one thing that I learned in my copyright law class, it's that you can be a stupid infringer. Meaning, just because something took more time and effort, and you get no profit from it, doesn't mean you aren't an infringer all the same- just a stupid one.

vr24 said:
If there is one thing that I learned in my copyright law class, it's that you can be a stupid infringer. Meaning, just because something took more time and effort, and you get no profit from it, doesn't mean you aren't an infringer all the same- just a stupid one.
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Stupid infringer or not, some of this stuff gets a bit ridiculous. I just found this app, Flash Keyboard, doing pretty much whatever they can to get installs. I've seen fake wallpapers (text bubbles like raindrops), video of a virtual keyboard (not available), and today a post using the images of Snoopy, Mickey & Minnie, and Hello Kitty.
(note: could not provide links, as I'm a new user, but they can be found with a simple facebook search)

EBAY!?!! selling all your hard work

just FYI not sure if anyone has seen this douche bag. appears he is making a nice living off of your guys' hard work. i think this user should be made an example of. anyone with any ideas?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250421549454

yeah he is making a killing selling those.

Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.

derekwilkinson said:
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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Check his feedback profile..
You'll weep when you see how many CDs he sold for 50 pop EACH!!!

derekwilkinson said:
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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ya nearly all his feedback ratings are from $50 a pop on that cd. he's got over 150 positive feedbacks. i also reported prior to the original thread posting cuz thats just wrong imo.

yes Im danielmex_83
jajaja i sent him a message wanna see it? hahaha just for fun you know!
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there are many people that loves everything easy... even if it cost 50 bucks.

Thats insane. I can't even begin to imagine the people that have been scammed out of 50 bucks for stuff that is completely free. And no credit to those that developed the software. Shame

He answers me!
HAHAHAHAH well I ask him if he can shipp the cd to the bermudas triangle!
he answers...
hahaha didnt you live on Mexico? hahahaha god damn! this guy is so funny!

I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.

^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.

aaron11193 said:
I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.
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I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.

x86 said:
^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.
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Hi everybody, and thanks x86 for not posting like drdrew and Que. I have been selling these disks and guess what? I am not the first or the last to do it. I bought an HTC phone and wanted to make it cool like the stuff I found on the internet for FREE. However, I had NO clue of how to do it. I didn't know you had to install NETCFsetup35 first. I didn't know you had to install Batteryand Performance Hack, then SDKcerts, then finix, etc in THAT order. These are things that took a while to learn how to do. I couldn't find a thread on what, how or when to do these things and I am pretty computer literate. Someone else was selling the phones with the programs on them first and I decided I would write an easy to understand tutorial and sell my own disks so others could enjoy. This is called free enterprise.
I don't and never have taken credit for anyone's work and have donated to the sites I have gone to and talked with a few of the programmers. Bongsu has awesome themes and I have donated to vicotts site after he said that's where the money should go. I donated to XDA. PPCgeeks as well. Have I talked to all of them? No. I could take ALL the apps, themes and games off and the tutorial I created is worth it alone. Not only that, but many of my customers have had to call me and ask for support. I have spent hours on the phone helping some people who are completely computer illiterate step by step to make their phones so fun and cool. I offer the disks at $50 with a Best Offer option as well. Some people buy for $40 and some for $35. x86, It's not overpriced when you consider the support. Just like you said, companies make a TON of money on support. I was just offered the great deal of $129.99 from Dell to help me resolve a ONE-time issue with my computer. Support costs money.
I guarantee if you ask any of the people who have bought the disk, not a one of them feels scammed. Why would they? I talk them through it to help them. The tutorial is very easy to understand but some people are not savvy. Actually, I have had many of my customers tell me I am not charging enough! That's no joke. I started at $24.99 and was told over and over I was charging too LITTLE! Why would any programmer be upset as there programs are on more phones? That's why they are created; to have fun and make phones look cool. But there was nobody to help me and many others understand HOW to do it!
The people buying these disks have seen many of the programs on the internet and know they are out there for free, yet they still buy my tutorial. I include the urls to PPCgeeks and XDA in my tutorial as well as other sites. That way they can then do it for themselves after they learn how to do it from me the FIRST time.
I simply sold what most people like, the easy route. And I just thought it would be cool to put a bunch of programs on the disk to get these people started! All the things I have put on that disk are found on the internet for FREE, Except for TWO things; my tutorial and phone support. I charge for that. If you have a problem with that, you are free to feel that way. If you want to pay my cell phone bill, let me know. But the fact is, nobody who has purchased this disk has come back to say they want their money back. I have 100% feedback. That should tell you something.
Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.

Want to Clear Things Up said:
Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.
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This account has been banned for being a sock-puppet.
Please use your real account "Sho'nuff" for replying to questions like these Roy.
EqX

Thanks Equinox
Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
Want to Clear Things Up said:
You know, I would appreciate you taking down your posts. I answered your questions honestly and did nothing wrong to you. eBay also has a strict policy of using their logos and posting private emails on a public thread. I think if you read my email on this thread, you will see what I offer is a tutorial and personal assistance and am not scamming or hurting anyone. You have your right to say you don't like it and that's fine, but again, I would appreciate you taking down the screen shots.
Also, if you look on eBay, you will see there have been others who have done it. There is someone else selling a disk right now and someone selling a phone with the programs on it.
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OK! its fine for me, but only if you go to the forum where you saw that screenshoots and post this same words... if you dont do it i will, then, i will edit my posts, I think the administrator of this site will be happy with this agreement.
Cheers dude! see you later.
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Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
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Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
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I may as well write this on the public forum since it seems you are the dirty one who cannot keep a private conversation private. Also, I created the other name so people wouldn't flood my regular email so I created a new email and name for that. But guess what? Not a single email has come to me with a problem or insults. Actually, I got an email from someone on this thread telling me I did a great job explaining.
And by the way, your screenshots still show eBay licensed information. Your posting of a private email on a public forum doesn't go over well either. I will ask you to remove them again. XDA is a great site and doesn't need trouble because of your posts.
Hey Ben, I mean Equinox, you should do the right thing and take down the screenshots if Mr. Que here doesn't decide to. Or should I just contact the administrator?
I find it quite funny you come on here using words like moron and how angry this makes you when in reality you have not created any of these programs. Maybe it's possible you're jealous that you don't have the common sense to write a tutorial and offer support to folks who want their phones to have these great features and at the same time turn a little profit? Not all people who buy these phones know anything about these apps, themes and games. I was a first time Win Mo user and had NO idea about this stuff. Try to look at the positive aspect. Many more people know about these great things and HOW TO INSTALL them. That's what you're not getting. You seem to think the people who bought this disk are lazy. No, they are not as computer savvy as some of us are. They need help. And when I went to forums to find out stuff, it was SO much info to take in that I just about said forget it. And I wasn't sure about viruses or what to install or what needed to be installed, etc.
I have 13 sent messages in my outbox from March that I sent to people asking for help when I first joined this site. Guess how many answered? ZERO. I finally found someone who helped me, and it wasn't from this site, and then I took off from there. It's not lazy QUE, but I think you know that. Or maybe you don't. How did YOU come to learn how to do these things? How did most people on these forums? They are either IT's, creators, real computer savvy or got help from someone. Well, I am one who waited about a month after getting my phone to finally find someone to help me.
So I decided to offer assistance to other people which includes phone support. Do you have a cell phone QUE? Do you pay your own bill? They're not free, are they? Also, you never mentioned the fact that I have donated and talked with some of the actual programmers. No, you seem to just listen to what you want and write what will incite others.
And the fact is, people were doing this BEFORE me, selling phones with all the programs on them for $500 when I bought my phone back in March. I didn't need another phone, I just needed to learn how to get the programs. So that's what I offered to others. And to be able to actually call me and I would walk them through it step by step. Read the feedback and you will see that. There was another guy selling the disks before me and ALL he had on them was apps and themes and games and no phone support. People came to me because they needed help. Too bad you only look at the negative and try to paint me as a bad person. The people who bought my disk don't think so and love these forums.
That's a whole other realm you don't even realize. I have sold a few of these disks and that means, a whole new group of people have come to these sites, like XDA and PPCGeeks and likely have donated to get a new theme, etc. or have contributed in some other way. And it also brings in more clicks to these sites. Did you know that or even think about that?
I have been truthful and can walk away from this with my head up high as I know I have helped so many other people. I don't post private messages, I don't use childish insults. I came here to try to set the record straight. I believe I have done so. Obviously not with you Que, but that's okay. People will always disagree in this world.

What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times do you see people suing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with, people who have proved that an idea was originally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.

denco7 said:
What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times to you see people sueing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with people who have proved that an idea was origanally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.
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Dude, your math is way off. I sold some HTC phones too, so maybe that's how you added about $6,000 wrong lol. I sold maybe 40 CD's and many people didn't even pay $50. I let some go for as little as $25. You also didn't include how muh eBay and Paypal take out for their fees. As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.

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I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.
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I completely agree. I think if a wrote a small tutorial on Firefox and packaged it with firefox 3 and sold it on ebay for $50, it would be quite an issue. This is no different. Just because you're dealing with an individual's product instead of a corporation doesn't give you the right to package it without there permission, when they intended for it to be free, and sell it for money. This would be PERFECTLY FINE if he was selling tutorials for the products, noting that they are 100% free applications, and that you are being charged for the tutorials. However, leading people to believe that they are getting a great deal on tons of apps is awful and dishonest.

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As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
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you said MOST, not ALL., can you see the difference?
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.
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You are not advertising your personal assistance, you are advertising the applications.
See the difference?
So yes, you are ILLEGALLY selling software (freeware) from which is known that the authors (like A_C) don't want to be redistributed.
As far as "personal assistance" goes, well I have read into your posts, you are far from an expert on Windows Mobile to say at least.
I am closing this thread before any valued (actually contributing) senior member is going to cross the line and have to face punitive actions.
As for you, since you obviously ignore this:
S2U2, S2P & S2V are being distributed as Freeware. It may be freely used, copied and distributed as long as it is not sold, and all original files are included, including this license. You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission.
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, actions against you are being taken.
Regards to the actual contributing members,
EqX

The Ultimate truth about Piracy whether you like it or not opinions wanted!!

Read it and post your opinions on the matter.
http://piratemw.blogspot.com/
I feel it covers ground and is fair to all sides.

2 spelling mistakes in the first sentence alone makes me think it's the gibbering of an idiot.
Didn't bother reading the rest.
To be honest, I don't think "the best article" on anything "to date" will ever appear on a blogspot site.

Moved as not software release.

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2 spelling mistakes in the first sentence alone makes me think it's the gibbering of an idiot.
Didn't bother reading the rest.
To be honest, I don't think "the best article" on anything "to date" will ever appear on a blogspot site.
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it may not be the best but it may worth be reading.everybody is not fluent in english

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elyl said:
2 spelling mistakes in the first sentence alone makes me think it's the gibbering of an idiot.
Didn't bother reading the rest.
To be honest, I don't think "the best article" on anything "to date" will ever appear on a blogspot site.
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What spelling mistakes? You dont even know english and your talking about me. Stupid mofo hahahaha

No need to throw insults about like that
EDIT: Just read it. The ultimate truth? No. I see A LOT of 'good' software that has been pirated, that has come from big developers and the little guy just starting out. They crack for fun/addiction/because they think they are rebels etc, whatever the reason they will do it because THEY CAN, not because there are ethics involved. Seriously, which major company went "Hey guys, our software got pirated on the first day and we didn't make any money from it, let's release something truly innovative so they won't pirate it." Sorry, that is NOT the 'ultimate truth'.
What a pointless article (IMO).

this is bull ****. there are lots of apps cracked that cost only like $10 made by some developer that only has this tiny simple but cool app that most find usefull. So this developer gets 1000 apps sold over 1.000.000 cracked downloads.
Now lets just steel that new Toyota car because it's only a little design change from the last model and some minor changes to the breaks system.

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What spelling mistakes? You dont even know english and your talking about me. Stupid +++ hahahaha
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Please refrain from using bad lenguage and insulting your fellow members

the response
Ok
1) If you read the whole summary of the truth about piracy Iam not saying piracy is good on a whole level. But if there was no piracy , the games made would be old rehashed garbage. Look at Gameloft games for windows mobile. They basically make the same game over and over with different graphics. That to me is theft selling us non-sense with pretty package.
I know people from both sides of this war. Developers from xda-developers,ppc geeks, and pirates like ppcwarez . Iam not going to sit here and say lets take the developers side on all issues. Thats non-sense , Iam a freeware developer myself , with commercial software too. One-sided thinking will just continue the war. I do support the independent developers , for they make truely innovative original software.
As far as the insult...the man called me out 1st...I just responded.

zarpy said:
Ok
1) If you read the whole summary of the truth about piracy Iam not saying piracy is good on a whole level. But if there was no piracy , the games made would be old rehashed garbage. Look at Gameloft games for windows mobile. They basically make the same game over and over with different graphics. That to me is theft selling us non-sense with pretty package.
I know people from both sides of this war. Developers from xda-developers,ppc geeks, and pirates like ppcwarez . Iam not going to sit here and say lets take the developers side on all issues. Thats non-sense , Iam a freeware developer myself , with commercial software too. One-sided thinking will just continue the war. I do support the independent developers , for they make truely innovative original software.
As far as the insult...the man called me out 1st...I just responded.
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Very interesting

Just make donateware

I immediately think that you're trying to get traffic to your own website rather than discuss the matter here. So rather than go there and read it, I'll discuss it here at XDA, where I'd rather keep my attention and loyalty.
Any law that basically says making a mixed tape for someone else is illegal is complete garbage and media companies can take it and shove it up their a**.
Any law that says I cannot "loan" a movie to someone else, even a complete stranger, and that I have to be responsible for the actions of the person I loaned it to is complete garbage and media companies can take it and shove it up their a**.
Any law that says I'm responsible for what happens to something I loaned someone else is complete garbage and media companies can take that law and shove it up their a**.
Any law that tells me what I can or cannot do with my own property is complete garbage and media companies can take it and shove it up their a**.
Stop enforcing 100-year-old copyright law for media medium that doesn't fit into the law.
Donate to the EFF
http://www.eff.org/

Rorymeadows
Ok rorymeadows
1) The link i provided is not to my website but to my blog. All you do is read blogs not join them. My website is www.krenisiswinmobilegamesapps.com and I didnt direct anyone there
2) You blame me saying Iam redirecting people and your loyal to xda-developers? If your so loyal to xda , why are you posting a redirect and telling people to donate to another website? Before you call someone out, check yourself.
Everything else you said , I agree with.

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Ok rorymeadows
1) The link i provided is not to my website but to my blog. All you do is read blogs not join them. My website is www.krenisiswinmobilegamesapps.com and I didnt direct anyone there
2) You blame me saying Iam redirecting people and your loyal to xda-developers? If your so loyal to xda , why are you posting a redirect and telling people to donate to another website? Before you call someone out, check yourself.
Everything else you said , I agree with.
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EFF is a professional organization. Yours is a shameless plug for a teen online journal. Please stay on topic.

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Its you who forces companies to make better and innovative software hoping if they make great software, then people will buy them.
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Sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever. By the same reasoning, stealing televisions should force the manufacturers to make better ones. That is simply wrong.
Not to offend, but to be clear, I find your arguments blinkered and naive. Piracy has very little to do with sticking it to big companies. 99% of the time it's about getting something for free.

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Sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever. By the same reasoning, stealing televisions should force the manufacturers to make better ones. That is simply wrong.
Not to offend, but to be clear, I find your arguments blinkered and naive. Piracy has very little to do with sticking it to big companies. 99% of the time it's about getting something for free.
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I agree. It's not about sticking it to big companies. It should be about revolution with digital media and laws, and electronic freedom.

fairness
So judging by the comments so far , both of you believe hacking and cracking software only hurt companies and developers. Also you believe is there was no more software pirates, that would benefit the consumer. The major companies say the same , cracked software leads to high priced games.
1)False= cracked software does not lead to high priced games. I remember super nintendo was charging $40-$60 a game. So that is false statement.
2)Facted= Cracked and pirated software has been around since early 80's,90's . People were happy around that time period with quality of thier software, so people didnt look for free downloads or cracked software. This isnt just about games Iam including the industry as a whole. This includes movies,music,and video games.
Opinion= I believe once those 3 industries started to make rehashed and low quality products, people started looking toward pirated software. If this isnt true, then this issue would have come up a long time ago.
Now to rorymeadows , no Iam not a teen and I dont sound or act like one.

I have absolutely no idea how you got any of what you said from my post, but you're wrong. That's not what I'm saying at all. You're just assuming things.
I wonder what this post will be about!
Incidentally, you should look at the technological and social changes that have taken place over the last 30 years and factor that into your opinions. Piracy is a bigger issue now simply because it's in your face, in your living room, on the internet and on your PC. 30 years ago it was kids copying tapes with games on them, but no mass forums to make it publicly available. Music was copied, but it was time consuming so not done as quickly as it is today - the same goes for movies (tape-to-tape VHS recorders for example). Times have changed, but the essence of piracy hasn't. Lots of people like stuff that costs nothing. That is the only fact you can state.

Well there's another thing going on, too.
I was browsing the Microsoft Mobile Marketplace last night. One of the programs I found up there was Resco Photo Manager. $60. $60!!!!!!! For THAT?!?!?! A program that I'd probably use 10 times a year is $60??!?!?!?!
I used to work at the college dining hall back in undergrad. People used to steal and steal, pocking pop-tarts, walking out with drinks and subs without paying. It drove the price up more. Yes, stealing jumps the overhead and makes things costlier. But did that stop the stealing? No, in fact, it made it much worse.

johncmolyneux and rorytmeadows both are correct.
/end thread.

Thanks James Cameron, for ripping off "Ferngully - The Last Rainforest"

So Megaupload has been shut down, and now Filesonic and Fileserve have decided to not allow anybody to download files they did not personally upload.
How long before similar hosting sites follow suit?
A lot of legitimate websites depend on those places to host files for their users to download, even this one. This frustrates the hell out of me because now all over the internet links to legitimate legal files are shut down because of the assholes that feel the need to use these websites for unlawful purposes.
I tried to download a ROM earlier to find it was hosted on filesonic. Tried to download a zip file of something that was hosted in megaupload. I know a ton of files from useful threads on this community are hosted on these 3 sites or sites like them, and its going to be even harder for users that want to play with an older device that has been forgotten but the files and information was still there. Now they will find the information but won't have access to the files they need.

Its about more than pirating....

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exactly!
if the OP actually read the news, it's not about pirating but rather money laundering, they are just trying to hype everything else with the pirating banner
as the feds needed a "valid" point to conduct a search warrant into the possessions and freeze the bank accounts of that guy

I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?

Destron5683 said:
So Megaupload has been shut down, and now Filesonic and Fileserve have decided to not allow anybody to download files they did not personally upload.
How long before similar hosting sites follow suit?
A lot of legitimate websites depend on those places to host files for their users to download, even this one. This frustrates the hell out of me because now all over the internet links to legitimate legal files are shut down because of the assholes that feel the need to use these websites for unlawful purposes.
I tried to download a ROM earlier to find it was hosted on filesonic. Tried to download a zip file of something that was hosted in megaupload. I know a ton of files from useful threads on this community are hosted on these 3 sites or sites like them, and its going to be even harder for users that want to play with an older device that has been forgotten but the files and information was still there. Now they will find the information but won't have access to the files they need.
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Your blaming the pirates? Your anger is wrongly distributed, my friend. All your post really says about you is that content with the action that has taken place.
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They sey that the guy may get 50 years of prison...

it's the money making scheme thing they are removing from their sites
a lot of them were doing that to attract people
were you download a file, and the guy hosting the file was getting paid per MB by the filehosting service
i'm actually glad all those are shutting down, that was a horrible thing to see here in XDA
always making members building huge list of ROMs or whatever Mods, on those sites and bumping up the size of the actual download, so they get more money out of the each download
we had a lot of users complaining about that
that money has to come from some where, and Advertising alone doesn't generate that much money to make it viable by the filehosting site
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I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?
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Destron5683 said:
I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?
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So, one file host gets shut down due to a completely unrelated incident, other companies lighten their vulnerabilities to play it safe, and now you can't download roms for dead devices? Damn the guy downloading a poor quality cam rip of paranormal activity 3! Don't blame the legislature, or any other legislatures or any other aspect of the government, don't blame Lamar Smith, don't blame the file host sites who want to play it safe, let's blame it on the guy who didn't hurt anyone as he wasn't going to buy the movie anyway. Torrenting is just sharing made easier, we traded tapes back in elementary school that we'd recorded off of the radio. This is the same thing on a larger scale and it scares people.

This is more , the piracy its only a excuse.
You have to think more before post.
Because if you see, in deep this problem.
Start they see Kim can be a big problem for they industry.
And usa / fbi use this excuse for start making other country´s follow they rules and what they want.

AllGamer said:
it's the money making scheme thing they are removing from their sites
a lot of them were doing that to attract people
were you download a file, and the guy hosting the file was getting paid per MB by the filehosting service
i'm actually glad all those are shutting down, that was a horrible thing to see here in XDA
always making members building huge list of ROMs or whatever Mods, on those sites and bumping up the size of the actual download, so they get more money out of the each download
we had a lot of users complaining about that
that money has to come from some where, and Advertising alone doesn't generate that much money to make it viable by the filehosting site
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That part I was not aware of, as I have never used an account to host files there. I didn't know people hosting the files got paid per MB and tbh that makes sense why pirates would use them. Thank you for explaining that point.
My anger is directed at they fact that now a LOT of important links in this site and many others are now broken. And the fact that pirates have made these places havens to host their wares is a primary reason these places are now running scared.
And I know it happens. A while back I got interested in Hombrew development for the Wii as I had a unique idea for how to use the remote. So I set out to hack my Wii to allow it to run Homebrew apps. There is a legal way and a non legal way. The legal way would allow you to run Homebrew but no retail games. The illegal way allows you to play pirated games. In my search for information I came across a website with thousands of links to illegal Wii games - all hosted on places just like that.
Now I know why - but the fact remains if people didn't do that - and the sites were used for legitimate purposes we wouldn't be here today.
And I KNOW there was more to the megaupload than that - but now all of them are shutting down and scaling back because of it. And who put tha excuse in their hands???

psiquico said:
This is more , the piracy its only a excuse.
You have to think more before post.
Because if you see, in deep this problem.
Start they see Kim can be a big problem for they industry.
And usa / fbi use this excuse for start making other country´s follow they rules and what they want.
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first pirates, now america? wow...

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first pirates, now america? wow...
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Well for you its possible sounds stupid.
But who shutdown mu.
FBI.
In first i dont understand why its so active USA.
I hope dont you think iam american hatter, or anything like that.
my question is why FBI are doing this jobs.

psiquico said:
Well for you its possible sounds stupid.
But who shutdown mu.
FBI.
In first i dont understand why its so active USA.
I hope dont you think iam american hatter, or anything like that.
my question is why FBI are doing this jobs.
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Is there a better translator you could use? I'm not trying to offend you, but I can't tell what you're saying. To be perfectly honest, it sounds like random anti-American phrases and statements tossed in a blender.

He's asking why an American authority is the one to close down MU.
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Piracy is a issue but its being used as a scapegoat so the industry could have more control & insure future profits. With technolgy becoming more advanced & cheaper artists/fans dont have to depend on the majors.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...the-real-reason-why-megaupload-was-shut-down/
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/01/20/megauploads-takedown-how-is-swizz-beatz-involved/

]So, one file host gets shut down due to a completely unrelated incident, other companies lighten their vulnerabilities to play it safe, and now you can't download roms for dead devices?
I used that as an example. Actually the ROM I couldn't download was for my SGSII Thank You.
Damn the guy downloading a poor quality cam rip of paranormal activity 3! Don't blame the legislature, or any other legislatures or any other aspect of the government, don't blame Lamar Smith, don't blame the file host sites who want to play it safe,
Why WOULD I blame the government for blocking illegal activity? Its no secret that ripping and uploading a movie for people to download for free is a crime. So the government is enforcing the law. So how is the government to blame for these people uploading illegal files to these places? I don't care how or why its a law its still a law and up to the government to enforce. Weather I agree with it or you agree with doesn't matter. Its still a law and THIS istuation had nothing to do with SOPA or Lamar Smith.
let's blame it on the guy who didn't hurt anyone as he wasn't going to buy the movie anyway. Torrenting is just sharing made easier, we traded tapes back in elementary school that we'd recorded off of the radio. This is the same thing on a larger scale and it scares people.
If you want to torrent - then torrent. I don't care. I don't care if people DO pirate movies, music or anything else. But torrenting is a relationship between the people sharing those files and the people getting those files. If you and the person your getting those files from get caught and go to prison its of no consequence to me. But in this instance millions of people are affected because they no longer have access to legitimate files.
Weather Piracy is the reason MU was shut down or not DOES NOT MATTER. The fact remains that people WHERE using the places as pirating havens and HANDED the government the excuse to say piracy IS the issue and has the rest running scared/
If pirates were not using these places to host millions of dollars in illegal files then the headline would be different.

Destron5683 said:
I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?
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Maybe developers in gen should start a co-op dev site?
IE a host owned and operated by and for developers, it could be a not for profit which for those who don't no means your goal is basically A. Be in black B. profits go to future of buissness or owners ie. people that pay for hosting. C. Try to help more in their communities and with customers than competion.
Basically through makeing yourself a not for profit your just helping everybody especially since I am pretty sure most devs dont make anything off donations.
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paallday said:
Maybe developers in gen should start a co-op dev site?
IE a host owned and operated by and for developers, it could be a not for profit which for those who don't no means your goal is basically A. Be in black B. profits go to future of buissness or owners ie. people that pay for hosting. C. Try to help more in their communities and with customers than competion.
Basically through makeing yourself a not for profit your just helping everybody especially since I am pretty sure most devs dont make anything off donations.
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That is an excellent idea. A place that only hosts files for developers and users of smart phones and tablets and nothing else.

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paallday said:
Maybe developers in gen should start a co-op dev site?
IE a host owned and operated by and for developers, it could be a not for profit which for those who don't no means your goal is basically A. Be in black B. profits go to future of buissness or owners ie. people that pay for hosting. C. Try to help more in their communities and with customers than competion.
Basically through makeing yourself a not for profit your just helping everybody especially since I am pretty sure most devs dont make anything off donations.
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this is by far the best answer
anyone with the $ to host and maintain a free not for profit file services is welcome to do so
then the Admins/Mods of the site can easily ban anyone not following those principals
however!
there's still a gotcha!
apparently Teamwhiskey got shutdown by the gov under the same pretext as pirating even though all they did was ROM, or maybe that was just their SOPA protest that lasted longer than expected
yup, just checked their site it's back up
while on the same topic
yes ROM can technically be categorized as Pirated good as well, except for pure AOSP and CM releases
all other ROMs specially Windows, or TouchWiz or Sense based ROMs are all subjected as Pirated Warez if the crap does hit the fan