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What is your experience with battery life? How often have you recharge it?
Twice a day. But thats because Im using high speed data (3G, HSDPA, WiFi), browsing the web a lot and testing/developing software.
Thanks. And what is "stand by" time? If I leave the mobile switched on without using.
hey
i think it can last for more than 3 days on standby. i recharge it once a day (normal use). if i do heavy data/multimedia use its twice a day.. not so nice as i think
I am disappointed to find that using gps in car with Tilt plugged into car charger, the battery drains faster than it recharges - requiring a charge with phone off to get full battery. Anyone else?
s730 with GPS?! Do you have the preproduction model?
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s730 with GPS?! Do you have the preproduction model?
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I guess he means HTC Kaiser / Tytn II aka AT&T Tilt.
mine is also not really great, if i compare it to my old vpa compact II, which has a bigger touchscreen and only 200mah bigger battery, its really shameful, cause my old vpa holds easily 3-4 days, but it has only 200mhz i will look for a stronger battery for my s730...
please report in if you find a stronger battery
search ebay for: Battery HTC S730 bought 2(fake i guess)including recharger
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please report in if you find a stronger battery
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Got a 1800mAh coming in a day or two. Should be better than the oem. I was charging once a day with it, but taking it easy so I didn't run out.
does the battery from the s710/vox fits inside s730/wings?
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Got a 1800mAh coming in a day or two. Should be better than the oem. I was charging once a day with it, but taking it easy so I didn't run out.
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where did you get it? its the bigger one? or its so small like the original? whats the name of the producer, im a little bit worry about my descendants, if you understand what i mean(explosion)
HTC S710/S730 Extended Battery 1800 mAh
Here is some link:
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/931/htc-s710-s730-extended-battery-1800-mah
Tell us the experience with it!
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Here is some link:
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/931/htc-s710-s730-extended-battery-1800-mah
Tell us the experience with it!
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1800 mAh cant have the same size as the 1050's from HTC. It may be bigger but this meand you need special cover. S710 and S730 uses same batteries but the cover is different (I tried that).
1) And the cover is included - or it is the bottom of battery?
2) Can you make the photo?
3) How it increase the battery life?
Yeh moneytoo - you mean the differences between the original battery putted to s710 and s730. well it be interesting if somebody will share the experience with this (maybe thicker) stronger battery and put here the back loop.
Thanks, R.
P.S. On the other side - the capacity of AAA cells is still growing - but the size is the same.
ive found this one:
http://cgi.ebay.de/2250mAh-Extented...ageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122
but the question is: it is the right cover for s730? if not, where can i get it...
The battery life is just useless on this phone and I'm ready to give up on it.
I charge it fully overnight and with normal use (less than 1 hour of calls, some texting, web browsing on 3G) it is completely dead by 6-7pm! This is without using WiFi, Bluetooth, media player, skype or anything else you might think would be more battery intensive.
I'm often out at work all day and don't get home until late in the evening. I need a phone that will last at least 12-15 hours with normal use, and the S730 does not seem up to the task.
Is this just par for the course with WM6 phones or what?
i just got mine and talking all day it has lasted two so far with 30% left on the original (out of the box) charge.
Ok, so the Diamond has a poor battery life, but how poor? How many hours do you get out of yours without any ROM changes? How many hours do you get after tweaking and with ROM updates?
What about the newer extended life batteries? How much more life would they give? 20%? 50%? 100?
Thanks,
Jon
My battery lasts for about 4-5 days with normal phone and PPC usage.
(ROM 1.93 and no internet connection/3G/GPRS or GPS turned on).
Charge twice a day
I charge mine twice a day. I am a heavy user and have exchange server / push mail on all the time.
For this reason i have two batteries and change them every moning and afternoon.
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Ok, so the Diamond has a poor battery life, but how poor? How many hours do you get out of yours without any ROM changes? How many hours do you get after tweaking and with ROM updates?
What about the newer extended life batteries? How much more life would they give? 20%? 50%? 100?
Thanks,
Jon
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If you rationalise it: Lets say with the 900maH you get 2 days, then what is your last question about. If you get the 1800maH battery then, then the life is dubbeld. Looks like a no brainer to me. Or do you expect us to guess at what your going to use, how long, what power it uses and then make a guess at the time?
Mine was tweaked and lasted more then a week, while on standby.
btw: Why not all your questions in 1 topic?
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If you rationalise it: Lets say with the 900maH you get 2 days, then what is your last question about. If you get the 1800maH battery then, then the life is dubbeld. Looks like a no brainer to me. Or do you expect us to guess at what your going to use, how long, what power it uses and then make a guess at the time?
Mine was tweaked and lasted more then a week, while on standby.
btw: Why not all your questions in 1 topic?
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"doubled" looks like a no brainer to me, too... Apparently different people think in different ways.
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I charge mine twice a day. I am a heavy user and have exchange server / push mail on all the time.
For this reason i have two batteries and change them every moning and afternoon.
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Twice a day!!! Is that all! lol
I have mine on the charger at night; then if i'm on the computer the diamond is plugged in via the usb port; my half hour commute means she's plugged in the cars cigarette lighter, and it's plugged in a charger a lot at work. I'm a GPS, 3G surfing, mp3 playing bandit though.
If i aint doing any of the above, and use it just as a phone the battery will last a while. (at least 2 days) But if i just didnt want a phone...
With normal battery you can only watch two movies on Coreplayer and you're out. With GPS on you get 2-3 hours max. It's almost scandalous.
If you only use it as a phone, you get decent battery life, but I've bought it to also use it as a PDA. The battery is simply insufficient.
I've had to buy an emergency charger which lets you charge the battery on the road using any normal AA battery.
Have heard various less than positive reports on the battery life of the two devices in the thread title & just wanted to hear from user experience, especially people swapping from the HD2 to the HD7, if it had better battery life?
I moved over from a HD2. I'd say the battery life is roughly the same if not slightly better on the HD7.
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I moved over from a HD2. I'd say the battery life is roughly the same if not slightly better on the HD7.
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I would agree
I can't comment on the HD2 but one thing I would say is to not be put off by the initial HD7 battery performance. Mine has improved dramatically over the last few days.
i will say i was a lil worried at first as it was great for first 2 charges then it dropped really bad ie lost half the battery over night with no use, BUT, now it has sorted itself out the battery lasts really well. I get way more use than i did on my desire i mean way more like i would say 50% more. With all top end phones battery isnt going to be there strong point but i think wp7 is really good on this point esp as you don't have stupid apps running in the background draining it like on android.
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i will say i was a lil worried at first as it was great for first 2 charges then it dropped really bad ie lost half the battery over night with no use, BUT, now it has sorted itself out the battery lasts really well. I get way more use than i did on my desire i mean way more like i would say 50% more. With all top end phones battery isnt going to be there strong point but i think wp7 is really good on this point esp as you don't have stupid apps running in the background draining it like on android.
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Well that's what used to bug me about the Android devices that I have had, that the battery performance was less than great. This was especially noticeable on the X10 I had for a little while.
It depends on how you use it, my usage the battery doesn't survive the same sort of punishment my Desire does, my usage is mainly as a internet device on 3g, and compared to the Desire it really does drain the battery, as a mp3 player it'll probably piss all over the desire for battery usage, I'd take stock of how you use your phone and plan accordingly.
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It depends on how you use it, my usage the battery doesn't survive the same sort of punishment my Desire does, my usage is mainly as a internet device on 3g, and compared to the Desire it really does drain the battery, as a mp3 player it'll probably piss all over the desire for battery usage, I'd take stock of how you use your phone and plan accordingly.
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Like you I am a fairly heavy web user on any device I have so if this particular activity effects the battery life on the HD7 a lot then that's not so good!
Way better than the HD2, and unlike the HD2 it seems to be even drain the whole time, unlike the HD2 which seems to get to 10% left and within a few mins be at 0. I made a good 10-20 mins of phone calls on my HD7 when it said battery is critcally low and it didnt turn off even after the calls.
I had just gotten my HD7 2 days ago, but my battery sucks big time... Its almost like it is leaking badly that during a meeting, I was just messing with the marketplace and the windows live messenger, my battery dropped from about 50% to almost 0 (for the first charge). After second and third charge with lower average use, it still able to last me for a day (8.30am to 8.00pm). Lets hope its like what you guys said, need to stabilize the battery after a few charges. By the way, my HD2 is able to withstand almost 2-3 days in WM6.5, and about a day use for Android Desire HD OS (about 35% upon reaching 11pm from 8.30am).
My battery life sucks big time. If it is in standby it loses 5% battery per 2 hours for no reason, i already disabled the updates from microsoft and my email and calander syncs every hour. And when i'm on internet or marketplace my battery drops 50% in 1 hour. I have charged it know 4-5 times, I hope it will be better. I only charge the battery when it's on critical level.
Poor Battery Life
The battery drained very fast, less than a day with heavy used.
Another bad thing is, took more than 3 hours to fully charged.
No indicator to show the %, very difficult to monitor the usage.
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My battery life sucks big time. If it is in standby it loses 5% battery per 2 hours for no reason, i already disabled the updates from microsoft and my email and calander syncs every hour. And when i'm on internet or marketplace my battery drops 50% in 1 hour. I have charged it know 4-5 times, I hope it will be better. I only charge the battery when it's on critical level.
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You mentioned "5%" "50%" . . . .
How you get the % to show? or You just estimate.
I think Roaming has a big effect on Battery Life.
My battery has been fine, Awesome Battery life... Until I went to uni, I can get no T-Mobile signal in lecture halls so it roams to Orange, this seemed to kill my battery a lot halfway through the day the battery indicator was less than half full.
I switched roaming off. But I found something interesting, once again marketplace wouldn't open. (it always happens when I'm scrolling en clicking things very fast in the marketplace). So I had to restart my hd7. The battery was 10%, after the restart it was filled for 40% very strange.
How do you know you are connected to the internet?
Is there a way to see and stop the connection since that also takes lotof battery and ofcourse if you are on a limited plan that would call for a huge dent on the bills
So far, after 2 days, battery life has improved greatly since the first day. Much better than most smartphones I have used, and certainly way better than my current Evo even after using it for months. I suspect battery life will only get better as I break it in.
And yes, weak signals can cause significant battery drain regardless of what device you are using. The weaker the signal, the harder the phone tries to find or keep that signal.
Has anyone tested to see how badly the battery life is impacted by changing the brightness setting to high?
I was checking this phone out, and found that changing that setting really made a significant difference in the quality of the user experience... it didn't seem washed-out, like it does on the default setting. I'm just wondering how much of a beating the battery will take though.
Right now, I'm really leaning towards the Dell Venue... primarily because of the quality of the screen and the better battery. I don't care about the physical keyboard, so an HD7 might meet my needs if I can run it at full brightness.
To those who own the phone, I want to know any battery life statistics you can provide.
I am very interested in this phone as it has that amazing keyboard, a nice 4" QHD screen, and it at least seems plausible there will be roms available at some point. But battery life I am not sure about, all the reviews I have read don't hit too hard on the battery life and I want someone to tell me heavy details about the battery life.
On a side note, if anyone can compare their D3 to this that would be great. I currently own a Droid Incredible, it is running MIUI, I have brightness set to 15-35% max, I have 3G turned off with Wifi on (as I live on a college campus with lots of wifi). On Easy to Moderate usage, I wouldn't have to charge for 2-3 days, On Medium to Heavy usage I end the day with at least 15%. With those same settings could I expect that from the Droid 3? (if so I would be extremely happy as I am very pleased with the Dinc battery life but I definitely need a keyboard.)
thank you for any help!
-Brett
I know the people who successfully had used the bloat removal script apparently get great battery, didn't work for me. But, depends what you consider heavy and moderate I guess. I usually charge once before leaving from work (I like to have more than 50% battery) I think I'm down to about 30% usually towards the end of my shifts playing music from my phone, txting a lot, browsing facebook and some forums.
It works decently when I'm off work tho cuz I txt and browse less.
Battery life is much improved if you listen to those running the leaked OS which the rest of us are waiting for "soon". Currently, battery life is disappointing. The battery life with light usage is erratic, some nights, just sitting on my desk, its drained to 20% from a full charge in 10-12 hours. Other nights, its at 80%. I gave up trying to figure it out.
I'm coming from a Droid X and the D3 is getting at least 35% less battery life for the same usage. My numbers aren't scientific, but I know I'm usually at 30% with the DX by 4pm; with the D3 I'm usually at 15% by 2pm. Both are using the Motorola extended battery.
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Battery life is much improved if you listen to those running the leaked OS which the rest of us are waiting for "soon". Currently, battery life is disappointing. The battery life with light usage is erratic, some nights, just sitting on my desk, its drained to 20% from a full charge in 10-12 hours. Other nights, its at 80%. I gave up trying to figure it out.
I'm coming from a Droid X and the D3 is getting at least 35% less battery life for the same usage. My numbers aren't scientific, but I know I'm usually at 30% with the DX by 4pm; with the D3 I'm usually at 15% by 2pm. Both are using the Motorola extended battery.
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Comparing apples and oranges will always be disappointing.
This phone has better battery life than any other phone I've owned since 1999 -- AFTER the update! Note that I do not consider simple hours-to-dead measurements, but how much I use the device. I think that for a dual-core, large-screen, keyboard, 3G device, its efficiency is excellent. Anyone who thinks the D3 has poor battery life has not owned an HTC or Samsung device lately
Before the update.. about 8-14hours of battery life. With the update, easily 2+ days and I use it quite a bit.
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I can confirm that the battery life is drastically increased with the new OTA update. After about 9 hours of usage of occational web browsing, listening to music, and making a few calls, the battery only drained by 40% on the extended battery pack.
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Anyone who thinks the D3 has poor battery life has not owned an HTC or Samsung device lately
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Sorry Dude but my incred2 running Miui and or OMFGB SMOKES this D3 with the new OS leak with battery life..Smokes it.......
I missed a charge over the weekend (charger not plugged into wall) and by the end of the second day on the battery I still had 49% charge left.
Make sure you get the extended battery.
Inc2
Yeah my dad has an inc2.....the battery life is pretty remarkable. My d3 just doesn't last as long haha
Before I purchased my Droid 3, I took the heed of several and also got the extended battery.
Now I use mine for business purposes, so I do not use any social applications. Just Exchange, Gmail, and one POP3 account. All set for Push. Probably on the phone 30-60 minutes a day. I have the Exchange data turned off at night as I use Touchdown for this and it lets me set my schedule.
I charge it when I it gets down to around 20 %, That is normally after three days of use. That's been pretty consistent since the first week I had it which has been at least a month ago.
Still Stock..... Of course YMMV....
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I can confirm that the battery life is drastically increased with the new OTA update. After about 9 hours of usage of occational web browsing, listening to music, and making a few calls, the battery only drained by 40% on the extended battery pack.
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Do you have a Bell branded XT860 or are you running with Verizon Droid3? I am wondering because my XT860's extended battery is a little rough (barely gets through an entire day) and was wondering if Bell released an update for that phone. Note I'm on Rogers, so I'm not sure if that would make a difference on me getting OTA updates.
Comparing a single-core phone with a 3.7" screen to a dual-core phone with a 4" display is not apples to apples to begin with. Throw in a FULLY debloated and optimized ROM(miui) with a custom kernal on a single core 3.7" phone is more like grapes to watermelons.
With the standard battery I can take the phone off the charger when I wake up and get through the day no problem. I am simply rooted with all the bloat frozen with TiBu.
Disclaimer: I know there is already another thread on Mugen HD2 Extended Battery 2,600mAh, but I would like to state that this is an official review since Mugen has provided me with a review unit to debunk the many bad comments given concerning their battery quality. This you can read from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1294124.
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I have contacted www.mugen-power-batteries.com directly after hearing many comments concerning their false claims. I was surprised that they actually responded by providing me a review unit of the 2,600mAh. It is now on the way.
My review unit will be coming in about 2 weeks time. I will try to conduct an extensive review to determine the actual worth of the battery and whether they work as advertised. I will be conducting a few tests specifically on the battery, as objectively as possible. This would cover video playing, 3G usage, full valuation of the battery charge (using battery widget pro) to name a few.
If you would like a particular test to be conducted on the battery, please state and give a few ideas below. I will be comparing them against the original 1,230mAh from HTC.
I think as faithful users of our HTC HD2, I would really want to get the best extended battery. If this provides even 90% of the advertised capacity, it is already worth the money. Anything less would be pointless.
Thank you.
Larger cell will indeed be good but 2600mAh will be higher than reality as Mugen have admitted this already in a round about way on responses to another testers results.
A new standard HTC cell & new standard size 1500mAh Mugen is the test that needs to be done.
Any chance of a sample 1500mAh review unit ?
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Larger cell will indeed be good but 2600mAh will be higher than reality as Mugen have admitted this already in a round about way on responses to another testers results.
A new standard HTC cell & new standard size 1500mAh Mugen is the test that needs to be done.
Any chance of a sample 1500mAh review unit ?
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I will try to get a 1,500mAh review unit after this one is done Oh, have Mugen admitted to that? Would be good if you can provide me with the link. Thanks!
Cant Wait for the review
Im Planning on getting one myself a 2,600mAh
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I will try to get a 1,500mAh review unit after this one is done Oh, have Mugen admitted to that? Would be good if you can provide me with the link. Thanks!
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This was response to Dougs battery testing.
Not in any way slating Mugen but the mAh ratings marked on their cells are higher than what would be achieved in any lab test.
1500mah is the one I would love to see tested side by side with genuine cell in device & technician mAh testing.
Mugen cells are ok quality but for the asking price we need total transparency on actual cell capacity ...
I have no idea how good that battery is, but I bought this one about 6 months ago and it's working very well, doesn't gain much heat and it doesn't discharge itself much. Average battery consumption in standby is 6mA. All I can do is recommend you guys this one. And cover is really strong. And it's "bit" cheaper than Mugens
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looking forward to seeing your test results...i just got me a 2400mAh battery and it lasts me about 15hours under heavy use...
Hi guys,
Sorry for the silence... I just received the battery today! Give me some time to get it charged and conditioned for testing
Let me know what else you would like me to test it with.
Display use is interesting for me, such like browsing etc.
Open a browser with some ads or something and look how long the Battery live..
My Galaxy SII gets there 4,5h.
Start the Match
Idc really care about that battery. I know its fake, but is there any real battery that's better then the original stock? 1400, 1450, 1500?? Not the fat ones with the kickstand
Just an update, I am still conditioning the battery. The first charge/recharge was really pathetic, at 12 hours before it was flat (moderate-heavy use). The second charge/recharge is much improved, I am on 25 hours on (moderate use) with 25% left (taking pictures, listening to music, games, surfing, etc.). I will begin formal testing after 4 full runs to find the optimum condition.
One things I have to say is that the ROM does play a high factor. I was on Dorimanx 3.0 and somehow the governors for oc/uc is not working properly as I kept getting some high drainage. Once I reverted to 2.9, the drainage was gone and it seems to sip battery at a much, much lower rate.
So many factors!!!!
By the way, I really like the battery cover. It is not cheap like the other China made products (unlabelled). I have already 4 different covers, and while I would prefer a metal back cover, this is the 2nd best
Can You please also start the heavy display usage test?
And put some pics please
Greetings
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Just an update, I am still conditioning the battery. The first charge/recharge was really pathetic, at 12 hours before it was flat (moderate-heavy use). The second charge/recharge is much improved, I am on 25 hours on (moderate use) with 25% left (taking pictures, listening to music, games, surfing, etc.). I will begin formal testing after 4 full runs to find the optimum condition.
One things I have to say is that the ROM does play a high factor. I was on Dorimanx 3.0 and somehow the governors for oc/uc is not working properly as I kept getting some high drainage. Once I reverted to 2.9, the drainage was gone and it seems to sip battery at a much, much lower rate.
So many factors!!!!
By the way, I really like the battery cover. It is not cheap like the other China made products (unlabelled). I have already 4 different covers, and while I would prefer a metal back cover, this is the 2nd best
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I have a few questions which i hope you dont mind answering:-
1. How did you recondition the battery?
2. Does your kernel recognise the battery's full capacity or do you do a battery pull then it jumps back up significantly? Im facing this problem at the moment...
thank you in advance!
how long will the battery last for heavy use like playing 3d games?this is important as i use my phone for gaming most
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I have a few questions which i hope you dont mind answering:-
1. How did you recondition the battery?
2. Does your kernel recognise the battery's full capacity or do you do a battery pull then it jumps back up significantly? Im facing this problem at the moment...
thank you in advance!
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1) I conditioning it by charging it overnight for 6-8 hours and then depleting it until it powers off (Actually, this is based on the instructions they gave in the parcel). I need to do it 5 times. Once done, I will be able to charge and stop charging when the indicator hits 100%. I basically use Battery Widget Pro (they have a feature called 'calibration'). Apparently, the battery itself states that it is 2,300mAh, but I think this is not accurate (hence the testing). You will know that the battery is fully charge when the indicator goes down to 0 (zero) mA (shows that the battery is not receiving any more charge).
2) Most cheap batteries have wrong indicators (e.g. temperature detection is not working, no indication of battery capacity). And yes, they suffer the need to 'pull the battery out first' before an additional amount is given. I bought one a while back, apparently one that has 3,000mAh. My observation is that the indicators are really gone. In fact, it will slowly go down to 50%, after which if you pull, it will give you 70%, once it goes down to 15%, it will last for a long while (30 minutes of browsing over 3G) before going down to 14%. Using that battery, I have been able to last 31 hours of moderate use (1 hour of music, 1 hour of gaming - not 3D, a few hours of browsing and a lot of photo taking). It costs only USD12 (thereabouts), which to me is the best deal yet. Down side of that battery is the very poor back battery cover. Using Battery Widget Pro (you have to charge fully and discharge until it shuts down and charge up again continuously), I got an estimated charge capacity of 1900mAh. Not bad don't you think?
The Mugen 2,600mAh easily matches my fake 3,000mAh one. The question is by how much. Sorry for the delay but my HD2 is my daily phone. So, I cant conduct full test like Engadget and other websites. But I'll do my best
relldroid said:
Idc really care about that battery. I know its fake, but is there any real battery that's better then the original stock? 1400, 1450, 1500?? Not the fat ones with the kickstand
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Try Andida batteries. I had the 1600mAh one and it was slightly better than the original (giving me about 1300mAh). I had that a while back.
After much charging and recharging, I can confirm that the battery has about 2,200+mAh. See the attached images to see the estimated calculation using Battery Widget Pro.
Charging takes about 2 hours plus using the wall charger. The last 2% takes the longest.
As per request I ran 2 emulation apps (sorry, no 3d games), fpse & n64oid. The former ran Strider 2 while the latter ran Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Do note that I have overclocked my phone to 1.6ghz. All in all, it ran for 4.5 hours with 15% battery left. I'm pretty sure it could have clocked 5hours easily. I think that it is a good performance for 2.2kmAh battery don't you think? See the images below for a read of what other apps I was running. I managed to deplete the whole charge after nearly 10 hours of extremely heavy usage!
What do you guys think? Okay?
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[Not the Mugen 2,600mAh Battery]
As an aside, I took and strip out the cheap battery which I bought for USD10, which claimed a 3000mAh, which only was about 2000mAh (+/- 200mAh) and took some photos of it. I can understand these extended batteries better. I am not an electronics person, but this would explain why it takes a restart to 'recognise' the 'remaining' battery on our devices.
Notice that they are basically two lower capacity batteries which are slapped together with the thin connectors and wrapped together with scotch tape.
I am not sure whether Mugen's the same, since it does not suffer from the 'restart-phone-to-get-additional-battery-reflected' scenario. However, I wonder whether there are any manufacturers who would just manufacture a genuine 2000mAh without merely slapping two products together (like in this picture). In light of this, it is much better to carry an external battery charger (anything more than 6,000mAh around!).
Anyone with electronic expertise want to comment on the pictures, please do.
Opps, forgot to add the photos of the battery and the battery cover which I mentioned. I find that after the first fall (yes, I tend to have accidents with my HD2 ... ) there is a slight creeking sound with the battery cover (nothing is chipped though). It is a rubberised battery cover, unlike the original metal cover. Still, the feel of the cover is great to the touch.
I am no longer using this device, but my dad is! It still works and have survived loads of damage... mostly dropping the device with the battery cover!